Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

punisher5112 · 24-10-2014 10:31pm

If only the courts worked as quick and efficient as the new water meter installations

Lapin · 24-10-2014 10:46pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I'm not calling for lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key, but there has to be some sort of a deterrent if they're caught at **** like this, and there just isn't.

There is.

Lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key.

Fuck them.

punisher5112 · 24-10-2014 10:48pm

Cost could be halved if we used them as filling in the water meter installations only thought that one up now.

Pedro K · 24-10-2014 10:55pm

end of the road wrote: »

and he deserved every bit of it.

he wasn't "defending his property" . he shot a man who was leaving the property and then beat the **** out of him on the ground. but as the man shot happened to be a traveler, or a traveler who had convictions Nally was "defending his property" . you couldn't make it up. Nally got what he deserved, a shame he was released but he served something

So much wrong with that post. I could pick it apart, but Lord Trollington has done an excellent job doing just that a few posts above.

kupus · 24-10-2014 11:23pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

If only the courts worked as quick and efficient as the new water meter installations

but what would pay for the villas in bulgaria or the apartment in marbella.

Sofiztikated · 25-10-2014 12:10am

For anyone that has skipped to the end of this, I'll sum up what has come so far:

Blaming Gardai.
Blaming Gardai resources.
Chain gangs.
Supermax prisons.
Corporal punishment/death penalty.
Knackers.
Frog Ward.
People that defend travellers to the fucking end.
Pauric McNally.
Irish Water.

end of the road · 25-10-2014 12:34am

Hitchens wrote: »

so did frog

he didn't

end of the road · 25-10-2014 12:45am

Lord Trollington wrote: »

He shot a man after coming upon him going from the front door of his house and around to the back and basically hanging around his farm yard. This was the 2nd time in as many weeks Frog had visited and looked around the farm. I would imagine Nally knew this man was a traveler by looking at him and also knew he wasn't popping around for tea and a chat.

he had no evidence that he wasn't "popping around for tea and a chat"

Lord Trollington wrote: »

He shot at him and hit target after which a struggle ensued. The man fled towards his car where his son was waiting, Nally followed him and shot him again. Killing him.

exactly, he murdered him after he left the property. had he shot him once on the property and he died, that may have been a different story. but he followed him and shot him again. so frankly i've no sympathy for the murdering vermin. the only reason he got away with the sympathy vote was because the man he shot was a traveler

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I would have done the same. And I probably would have shot the scummer son also.

good, then we could lock you up for the rest of your life as you'd be clearly a danger to society just like Nally.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

You can say he shot a man leaving his property and technically you are right.

yes i am.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

He shot a man with 80 convictions and 38 court appearances.

who had left his property. what convictions and court appearances he had were irrelevant.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Some would say Nally was a good judge of character.

yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I'll directly quote Nally : what happened on my farm – and what followed – had nothing whatsoever to do with Travellers. It was just me and another man….I felt I was under threat and in danger and I acted on the spur of the moment. A man lost his life that day and I’m sorry for the family of John Ward but I didn’t get up that morning thinking I was going to kill someone. I’m not that sort of person. I didn’t go looking for trouble. Trouble came looking for me.’

the fact he shot a man the second time when he had left the property says otherwise. no sympathy for him. he played the sympathy card and got lucky

25-10-2014 12:51am

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals

lol
You don't know the Wards, do you?

Sunnyisland · 25-10-2014 12:53am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

For anyone that has skipped to the end of this, I'll sum up what has come so far:

Blaming Gardai.
Blaming Gardai resources.
Chain gangs.
Supermax prisons.
Corporal punishment/death penalty.
Knackers.
Frog Ward.
People that defend travellers to the fucking end.
Pauric McNally.
Irish Water.

No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

endacl · 25-10-2014 1:04am

realies wrote: »

No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

I blame Gerry Adams. State of this kip. Etc.

Eutow · 25-10-2014 1:04am

end of the road wrote: »

he had no evidence that he wasn't "popping around for tea and a chat"

Are you in the habit of offering tea, cake, maybe a beer to some stranger that is trespassing on your property? Maybe Nally should have waited till he was baited over the head with a shovel or what not, before deciding that this Frog fella was not such a good chap afterall.

end of the road wrote: »

exactly, he murdered him after he left the property. had he shot him once on the property and he died, that may have been a different story. but he followed him and shot him again. so frankly i've no sympathy for the murdering vermin. the only reason he got away with the sympathy vote was because the man he shot was a traveler

Only Frog is the vermin here. Frog would have had no hesitation in seriously injuring or murdering Nally or some other innocent person if he had to.

end of the road wrote: »

good, then we could lock you up for the rest of your life as you'd be clearly a danger to society just like Nally.

Nally is no danger to anyone.

end of the road wrote: »

who had left his property. what convictions and court appearances he had were irrelevant.

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals

It's very relevant. This piece of scum highlights our cr@ppy so called justice system. Look at the history of this guy. He should have been locked up before he met the wrong end of a gun.

Yeah, the discrimination / racist card again. Ah god love him, people are only hating on him because he is a traveller. Nothing to do with him been a scumbag with previous convictions and court appearances.

end of the road wrote: »

the fact he shot a man the second time when he had left the property says otherwise. no sympathy for him. he played the sympathy card and got lucky

I would have made sure as well.

EDIT: This thread has been derailed unfortunately, but this post I responded to was ridiculous.

Tail Docker · 25-10-2014 1:05am

realies wrote: »

No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

No Hitler either. Glaring omission.

Sofiztikated · 25-10-2014 1:13am

endacl wrote: »

I blame Gerry Adams. State of this kip. Etc.

Tail Docker wrote: »

No Hitler either. Glaring omission.

realies wrote: »

No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

It's possibly the fault of the kiddy fiddling, celebate Catholic church, they didn't like the looks of those tits in the polo, so obviously ignored them, causing them to have a complex.

Is that bingo?

Ruu · 25-10-2014 1:16am

Keep on topic please or don't post. Nally and Adams are irrelevant.

Mod.

pc7 · 25-10-2014 8:19am

Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

Gatling · 25-10-2014 9:14am

Watch give it a few weeks and the driver will make a massive claim for compensation

Guy:Incognito · 25-10-2014 9:54am

Edit. Oops, wrong thread..

18MonthsaSlave · 25-10-2014 10:50am

Irish Times are trying to whoop up a campaign about the 14 year old traveller who was was denied a wake while ignoring the background of the individuals here, a background that almost inevitably leads to anti-social behaviour and misery for the rest of Irish society.
The Irish Times is a comical caricature of the PC Liberal media. If the owner of the funeral parlour or relative of the innocent dead women were related to the Editor of the IT they'd unlikely have the same enlightened view which allows them to mount their high horse and look down on the rest of Irish society.

Patser · 25-10-2014 10:55am

This is probably worth a seperate thread but Sweet Jesus, what was the editor of the Star thinking!!! They've published a picture of the accident scene today, complete with the poor Victim's body still on scene. Yes it's covered by a blanket but her body's outline is clear,it's lying on the road with resuscitation gear beside it. Even the photo sideline mentions that it's her body there.

It's an incredibly insensitive piece of journalism. Completely unneeded. And in very poor taste.

TGJD · 25-10-2014 11:14am

Sofiztikated wrote: »

It's possibly the fault of the kiddy fiddling, celebate Catholic church, they didn't like the looks of those tits in the polo, so obviously ignored them, causing them to have a complex.

Is that bingo?

Surely it's all those people on the dole that are to blame. That's bingo I'd say.

tayto lover · 25-10-2014 11:16am

I wonder what odds i'd get for predicting that one of those 5 will be involved in another death or serious incident in the future?

Idbatterim · 25-10-2014 11:50am

some excellent comments under the following Independent article. The free legal aid gravy train is simply too good to turn down for the legal profession. We hear that a prison space costs X per year. How much is it costing to process the scum every time they appear in court, what is the cost of the crime, how much welfare are they receiving every week?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

So let me get this straight, these scum are costing us an absolute fortune with the current situation, yet we cant afford to lock them up? Morally its depraved!

Nothing will be done here. Remember, the State considers these thugs not as its enemy, but those citizens who object to paying twice for their water. Just watch the resources that will be called upon to deal with the latter (including those lucky enough not to have their fancy mobile phones stolen from them).

The law is an ass in both the way we administer justice in this country and the the way our guards handled this situation.Where are the legal representatives ie,solicitors and barristers who represented these thugs for their own financial gain to free these thugs from justice.Would they like to wake up if it were one of their wives or loved ones killed by these thugs.My sincerest sympathy to the family of the this lady.

Simply drag these thugs from their hospital beds and leave the scumbags on the side of the road so they can experience the pain of the unfortunate lady who died. We have the parasites of the legal system screwing us and the criminals giving us the two fingers, but what will change from this. Nothing until the people of this country take to the streets and demand action.

The smug judges, solicitors and barristers may as well admit that it is they who are directly responsible for this woman's death. They and the posh clubs that represent them are talking shops and useless, they have abused the trust of the Irish people for far too long now and gotten away with it just like the criminals. They have used the revolving door system to expand their extremely valuable franchise it is all self serving meanwhile the public pay the full price of judicial cowardice and incompetence. Let's not forget they are all political appointments' either directly or by a nod to the judicial appointments board. It's as bad a failure as the political system itself.

20 previous convictions for car theft and burglaries..... and 20 times a barrister, a solicitor and a whole legal system , .. all dipped into the free legal aid pot and benefited from this guy being let out time and again by a judge.... even after two or three times the judiciary any other country would have taken these people off the street.

It appears the free legal aid system is there more to help professionals to enjoy a nice cosy income rather than help genuine people who find themselves having to defend themselves in court..

Imagine how many barristers, solicitors, ..even the judiciary would be out of a job if we did not have a system that allowed criminals out on bail or given a fine...time and again when they clearly should be locked up .... but instead they are allowed out only to commit more crime which inevitably will lead to the free legal aid system being dipped into again and again.

It appears to me the free legal aid system is being manipulated to provide a fine income for a whole swathe of professionals.

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2014 12:14pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

some excellent comments under the following Independent article.

Is that sarcasm? Most of the comments are very uninformed even if they do raise some valid issues.

TomoBhoy · 25-10-2014 12:16pm

Right you have assholes in every walk of life, I live in close proximity to about 4/5 settled families, I have never had anything but good to say about them, I know absolute knuts and none of them are from the travelling community, but saying that we all know a small minority tar rich/poor/travelling/settled/Roma/migrants.

tayto lover · 25-10-2014 12:27pm

TomoBhoy wrote: »

Right you have assholes in every walk of life, I live in close proximity to about 4/5 settled families, I have never had anything but good to say about them, I know absolute knuts and none of them are from the travelling community, but saying that we all know a small minority tar rich/poor/travelling/settled/Roma/migrants.

True and it doesn't matter that they were Travelers either.
What matters is that they were out on bail to continue a rampage around the country.

eviltwin · 25-10-2014 1:48pm

pc7 wrote: »

Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

Read this and was disgusted, even more disgusted to find on continued reading that the driver who was 23 or 24 was the oldest occupant of the car. The rest were teenagers!! Like wtf is wrong with this country when you have someone barely into adulthood with that many convictions to their name.

And why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.

beer_diva · 25-10-2014 1:51pm

end of the road wrote: »

he had no evidence that he wasn't "popping around for tea and a chat"

exactly, he murdered him after he left the property. had he shot him once on the property and he died, that may have been a different story. but he followed him and shot him again. so frankly i've no sympathy for the murdering vermin. the only reason he got away with the sympathy vote was because the man he shot was a traveler

good, then we could lock you up for the rest of your life as you'd be clearly a danger to society just like Nally.

yes i am.

who had left his property. what convictions and court appearances he had were irrelevant.

yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals

the fact he shot a man the second time when he had left the property says otherwise. no sympathy for him. he played the sympathy card and got lucky

if anyone else was labelled as vermin on this site ( including ISIS ) , warnings would be issued

its fine when an elderly bachelor farmer is demonised in such a vicious manner

shocking moderation

beer_diva · 25-10-2014 1:53pm

tayto lover wrote: »

True and it doesn't matter that they were Travelers either.
What matters is that they were out on bail to continue a rampage around the country.

true but in the case of the media , when a funeral parlour owner denied service to a deceased young mans family , backrounds are highlighted

in this case of criminality where a young woman lost her life , no mention is made of the culprits backround

beer_diva · 25-10-2014 1:55pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Read this and was disgusted, even more disgusted to find on continued reading that the driver who was 23 or 24 was the oldest occupant of the car. The rest were teenagers!! Like wtf is wrong with this country when you have someone barely into adulthood with that many convictions to their name.

And why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.

im sure vincent browne will have martin collins on his show monday evening to discuss the death of this woman in a garda chase

smurgen · 25-10-2014 1:58pm

How exactly does the legal profession work in instances like this?is there any recourse or reprocussions for the judges who allowed these individuals out?

end of the road · 25-10-2014 1:58pm

pc7 wrote: »

Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

the guardai are partly to blame. they are not trained to be involved in high speed chaces like this. hopefully this will be a wake up call for better procedures for such incidents including proper high speed driving training

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:01pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

Irish Times are trying to whoop up a campaign about the 14 year old traveller who was was denied a wake while ignoring the background of the individuals here, a background that almost inevitably leads to anti-social behaviour and misery for the rest of Irish society.
The Irish Times is a comical caricature of the PC Liberal media. If the owner of the funeral parlour or relative of the innocent dead women were related to the Editor of the IT they'd unlikely have the same enlightened view which allows them to mount their high horse and look down on the rest of Irish society.

"PC Liberal media rabel rabel" stopped reading there

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:04pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

some excellent comments under the following Independent article. The free legal aid gravy train is simply too good to turn down for the legal profession. We hear that a prison space costs X per year. How much is it costing to process the scum every time they appear in court, what is the cost of the crime, how much welfare are they receiving every week?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

So let me get this straight, these scum are costing us an absolute fortune with the current situation, yet we cant afford to lock them up? Morally its depraved!

those comments are the usual rabel rabel one would read from those papers. the legal people are just doing their job with the tools given to them

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2014 2:07pm

smurgen wrote: »

How exactly does the legal profession work in instances like this?is there any recourse or reprocussions for the judges who allowed these individuals out?

Never. It isn't always the judges fault though. I know of one teenager that is arrested almost daily and charged. Currently has about 6 months in jail time built up but there is no bed for him in the "school" so he keeps getting bail.

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:11pm

eviltwin wrote: »

why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.

so what. its not their job to say anything in relation to this or traveler gangs robbing blind. thats the job of the courts. Pavee Points job is to look after travelers who have been discriminated against. Pavee Point saying anything in relation to criminality from travelers isn't going to change anything and is frankly unnecessary

Hitchens · 25-10-2014 2:11pm

end of the road wrote: »

the guardai are partly to blame. they are not trained to be involved in high speed chaces like this. hopefully this will be a wake up call for better proceedures for such incidents including proper high speed driving training

your posts just get worse and worse, have you no shame at all

Little CuChulainn · 25-10-2014 2:19pm

end of the road wrote: »

so what. its not their job to say anything in relation to this or traveler gangs robbing blind. thats the job of the courts. Pavee Points job is to look after travelers who have been discriminated against. Pavee Point saying anything in relation to criminality from travelers isn't going to change anything and is frankly unnecessary

Well it would show they recognise the prevelance of criminality in the community they represent and go a long way towards convincing people they are genuinely looking to improve life for travellers and address the issues internal to their community. Their current tactic of denial, blaming the settled community and blaming discrimination is merely furthering the alienation of the traveller community and achieving nothing.

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:22pm

Hitchens wrote: »

your posts just get worse and worse, have you no shame at all

oh? really? so what training for high speed driving do the garda have then?

angelfire9 · 25-10-2014 2:22pm

REad today (think it was on the indo) that as the poor deceased woman was a childminder she had a child car seat in her car
The gardai and fire brigade spent a substantial amount of time searching around the road/ditches at the location of the incident in case she had a child with her at the time
How awful is that?

thats_my_seat · 25-10-2014 2:23pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Well it would show they recognise the prevelance of criminality in the community they represent and go a long way towards convincing people they are genuinely looking to improve life for travellers and address the issues internal to their community. Their current tactic of denial, blaming the settled community and blaming discrimination is merely furthering the alienation of the traveller community and achieving nothing.

pavee point do more harm than good for their community in that they instill a persecution complex within their community , they are all about rights for their community without any hint of concern for responsibilitys

vincent browne is another who does great harm in this area

nlgbbbblth · 25-10-2014 2:24pm

18MonthsaSlave wrote: »

Irish Times are trying to whoop up a campaign about the 14 year old traveller who was was denied a wake while ignoring the background of the individuals here, a background that almost inevitably leads to anti-social behaviour and misery for the rest of Irish society.
The Irish Times is a comical caricature of the PC Liberal media. If the owner of the funeral parlour or relative of the innocent dead women were related to the Editor of the IT they'd unlikely have the same enlightened view which allows them to mount their high horse and look down on the rest of Irish society.

I saw something similar about the wake denial on 1) Rabble and 2) various angry individuals on my Facebook feed.

For some reason both groups seem to employ selective outrage. They're silent now.

Hitchens · 25-10-2014 2:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh? really? so what training for high speed driving do the garda have then?

Get a grip........a Polo's flat out top speed is about 216 km/h (134 mph).

pc7 · 25-10-2014 2:34pm

The guards had called ahead for assistance due to the dangerous driving they witnessed which caused them to engage in going after the car. The people in the car were drinking and throwing beer bottles on the motorway, what did you want the guards to do, leave them off

angelfire9 · 25-10-2014 2:35pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh? really? so what training for high speed driving do the garda have then?

Forget about the training for a minute

If the guards on the scene had said to themselves "Sure look we're not equipped for this"
Tuesday afternoons Joe Duffy would run as follows:

"I saw them Joe, they robbed my house and drove off in an ancient Polo and the gardai were afraid to follow them"

"They robbed me blind Joe, took every bit of silver outta the house and drove off, I had the reg number Joe, I gave it to the guards but they refused to do anything about it"

"It was an old Polo Joe, not a souped up BMW"

"The guards are chickens Joe, just chickens, claiming their big wages and doing nothin for the people of Nenagh"

Followed by the inevitable eye witness:
"I saw the car Joe, it went through the M7 Toll without paying, not a garda car in sight, it was an old banger of a thing Joe, sure a man on a horse would keep up with it"

etcetera etc etc

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:37pm

Hitchens wrote: »

Get a grip........a Polo's flat out top speed is about 216 km/h (134 mph).

not an answer. what training for high speed driving do the garda have

smurgen · 25-10-2014 2:38pm

A very sad case.I didn't even know the poor woman and I'm livid.imagine if that was your sister or someone close to you?

I was sitting at home two nights ago in my mother's house and a large rock the side of my fist hit the window , and another the front door.it was an extremely loud bang.door is dented and the outer pane of glass in the window is broken.my mother was upset and I would have been scared had I not been there.I ran straight out the door and after them. Bunch of 15-16 years old lads. Thick,****ing ignorant people in this country seem to be engaging in wreckless behaviour and the rest of us have to just out up with it.the carousel court systems will have to end and real reprocussions for crimes put in place.

If I'd have caught one of those scrotes the other night I'd have done time.I had a fairly hard upbringing myself so the disadvantaged childhood story doesn't wash with me at all.their futures are theirs to mold and they choose to break the rules.the sooner the law gets more hard with these people the better.

end of the road · 25-10-2014 2:40pm

pc7 wrote: »

The guards had called ahead for assistance due to the dangerous driving they witnessed which caused them to engage in going after the car. The people in the car were drinking and throwing beer bottles on the motorway, what did you want the guards to do, leave them off

sometimes, that might be a better option. the chase is what they want anyway

angelfire9 · 25-10-2014 2:41pm

end of the road wrote: »

not an answer. what training for high speed driving do the garda have

The traffic corps do extensive training in high speed driving amongst other things
But we have no way of knowing if the gardai in this incident were TC or regular so there's no point speculating ?

angelfire9 · 25-10-2014 2:42pm

end of the road wrote: »

sometimes, that might be a better option. the chase is what they want anyway

These "lads" had a tonne of stolen gear in the car
If you think they wanted a chase you are kidding yourself
They wanted to escape

Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

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