The Freemasons

kmurray · 02-03-2008 11:21pm #1

What do you think the freemasons are really up to???

Karoma · 02-03-2008 11:23pm

Moved rom AH. Bounce it back if you must.

orestes · 02-03-2008 11:23pm

Conspiracy forum is thataway my friend

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longshanks · 02-03-2008 11:24pm

trying to overthrow the stonecutters. goddamn freemasons

Bob in Belfast · 02-03-2008 11:24pm

A satanic cult.

Great bunch of lads, though don't bend down for the soap in the shower if there's a member behind you.

Bandits.

kmurray · 02-03-2008 11:28pm

orestes wrote: »

Conspiracy forum is thataway my friend
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this is not about conspiracys. that is only one view point... what i want is a bit of information based on facts not some theory

STEVO B · 02-03-2008 11:38pm

kmurray wrote: »

this is not about conspiracys. that is only one view point... what i want is a bit of information based on fasts not some theory

Karoma is only interested in irrelavant topics, All else is pushed aside. He'd rather chat about 'gingers' and the like.

As for the freemasons, the are pretty much all of what you have said in the poll, apart from a great bunch of lads.

At the top levels these are pulling the strings, making big decisions. The lower degrees are merely puppets, albeit little arrogant go getting puppets. The lower order generally are oblivious to what goes on at the top and are out to make contacts to further business matters. They also like the feeling of being in a little boys club.

Read Albert Pikes 'Morals & Dogma'

Later Bro.

Bob in Belfast · 02-03-2008 11:44pm

A satanic cult.

STEVO B wrote: »

Karoma is only interested in irrelavant topics, All else is pushed aside. He'd rather chat about 'gingers' and the like.

As for the freemasons, the are pretty much all of what you have said in the poll, apart from a great bunch of lads.

At the top levels these are pulling the strings, making big decisions. The lower degrees are merely puppets, albeit little arrogant go getting puppets. The lower order generally are oblivious to what goes on at the top and are out to make contacts to further business matters. They also like the feeling of being in a little boys club.

Read Albert Pikes 'Morals & Dogma'

Later Bro.

Cop your self on son, and join a big boys club.
We don't wear make-up or dresses.

:rolleyes:

guinnessdrinker · 02-03-2008 11:45pm

Why is this thread in the conspiracy forum?

STEVO B · 02-03-2008 11:58pm

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Why is this thread in the conspiracy forum?

Good question, the freemason do exist dont they, im sure they have a grand lodge in Dublin.

kmurray · 02-03-2008 11:59pm

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Why is this thread in the conspiracy forum?

Where should it be??

kmurray · 03-03-2008 12:00am

STEVO B wrote: »

Good question, the freemason do exist dont they, im sure they have a grand lodge in Dublin.

Yeah they do google it

Mahatma coat · 03-03-2008 5:06am

A satanic cult.

Any Masons out there care to explain the fetish with Gloves, Sashes & Silly hats?

at one end of the scale the MAsons are a group that facilitate contact on a semi profesional/social setting between different business interest in a given area,

on the other hand they appear at times to be a shifty sinister bunch with ulterior motives

so, dunno, Probably a lovely bunch a Fellas.

humanji · 03-03-2008 2:43pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Any Masons out there care to explain the fetish with Gloves, Sashes & Silly hats?

Sure you could almost be talking about the Catholic Church there

With an organisation as big as the Masons, you can't really whittle them down to one choice from that poll. It's just an organisation like any other, it's just older and larger than most. Just like a golf club, you get people just getting together for a few laughs, you get people making new contacts, you get people hoping to make money from their associations in it and you'll get those in positions of power in it who control it (not necessarily for evil purposes). The only option that seems like rubbish is the satanic cult one.

STEVO B · 03-03-2008 3:25pm

humanji wrote: »

Sure you could almost be talking about the Catholic Church there

The Catholic church is masonic.

That piece of white they show on their collar is symbolic of the information that they tell us, the rest of the collar, that is covered in black is the whole truth.

humanji · 03-03-2008 4:45pm

The Catholic Church slightly predates the Masons. If anything, the Masons borrow christian symbology.

STEVO B · 03-03-2008 5:40pm

humanji wrote: »

The Catholic Church slightly predates the Masons. If anything, the Masons borrow christian symbology.

And the christians borrow the symbology...

Hellm0 · 03-03-2008 5:50pm

There is a Lodge on molesworth street, its quite open for all to see. I've been in it, nearly joined.

Alot of regalia and tradition, tons of middle aged-old white males in suits and the pungent smell of old money.

On the top floor is a replica(unconsecrated) Chapel where the knights templar do their thang.

To be honest the whole institution is a bit shady but I would'nt say their the all powerful secret society most people think they are. That said there were alot of closed doors and rich men, a combination which usually leads to some sort of corruption.

humanji · 03-03-2008 6:01pm

STEVO B wrote: »

And the christians borrow the symbology...

What?

Hellm0 wrote: »

That said there were alot of closed doors and rich men, a combination which usually leads to some sort of corruption.

Well, not always. It just makes people suspicious of them.

Hellm0 · 03-03-2008 6:03pm

humanji wrote: »

Well, not always. It just makes people suspicious of them.

I made no explicit statements saying that they were corrupt, but you must admit money and secrecy are a volatile combination.

humanji · 03-03-2008 6:10pm

Oh, I agree. I just meant that many people assume because they are rich and don't want people prying into their business, then it must be a conspiracy against us. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make money and gain power. It's how it's done that can cause problems

Hellm0 · 03-03-2008 6:24pm

humanji wrote: »

Oh, I agree. I just meant that many people assume because they are rich and don't want people prying into their business, then it must be a conspiracy against us. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make money and gain power. It's how it's done that can cause problems

I concur, however I do think its a subversion of democracy when groups like this, the bohemian grove etc make decisions about policy(economic or otherwise) behind closed doors. The current political system is rife with crony ism and no-one seems to care.

humanji · 03-03-2008 11:26pm

But that's politics. To have every government decision put to the people would be a logistical nightmare. Hence the electing of persons to represent us the best they can (in theory).

Gillo · 07-03-2008 11:43pm

A money making group.

STEVO B wrote: »

As for the freemasons, the are pretty much all of what you have said in the poll, apart from a great bunch of lads.

At the top levels these are pulling the strings, making big decisions. The lower degrees are merely puppets, albeit little arrogant go getting puppets. The lower order generally are oblivious to what goes on at the top and are out to make contacts to further business matters. They also like the feeling of being in a little boys club.

Read Albert Pikes 'Morals & Dogma'

I take it you are going to post links/evidence to back up your claims, otherwise your post doesn't carry a lot or weight. "Morals & Dogma", have you read it, a lot of people tend to quote quotations they've seen elsewhere, bare in mind it's one person's opinion on the craft.

kryogen · 08-03-2008 4:07am

A satanic cult.

Pike was hardly a small figure in masonry in fairness... heres one link with some info on him, make up your own mind after reading it and search out the facts and points in it yourselves if your so inclined

my own opinion is irrelevant

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1086

Absolam · 13-07-2008 1:12am

A money making group.

It's fair to say he not only didn't represent the opinions of Masons of his time.. hence the outcry, but that he certainly doesn't have much (if anything) in common with 21st century Irish Masons. You might as well lump Mother Theresa with Tomas de Torquemada as representatives of Catholic advocacy. OK Masons are not Mother Theresa..but you see where I'm going

robroy1234 · 12-06-2011 6:57pm

I have been a freemason for many years and what we mostly do is at local/provincial level. We prohibit any discussion on politics and religion, and we are also prohibited in trying to pursue any business within a lodge, so nepotism is strictly forbidden. We are not an old boys club as I am not that old, but our rituals and practices are indeed ancient. For membership one must be 1. be of masonic age (21+), 2. be in good standing in one's neighbourhood (no criminal record and not of ill-repute) and, 3. believe in the supreme being (God, Allah, Jehovah..etc), the third one is this requirement has been a sticking point for various religious organisations as we see all men as equals and that is regardless of race, colour or creed. Therefore we can meet and have a Jew a Christian and a Muslim present and be in accord with each other. And, as I am a catholic we are not anti-catholic in any way at all.
We have no political or economic power or influence, either nationally or internationally.
As for the Apron - this is deemed to be the oldest emblem of purity known to man. Originally for the Mason it kept his clothes underneath clean and is designed according to rank within the lodge, this helps to distinguish whether a man is an apprentice or a master mason.
In relation to the gloves, you are aware that in some professions such as archivists the wearing of gloves is to protect certain important artifacts. In freemasonry the wearing of pristine white gloves is to signify that hands that may be unclean or unwashed, and that the Holy Bible in the lodge cannot be touched by some unclean/unwashed hands.

nullzero · 13-06-2011 1:47pm

I didn't vote as the correct answer would have been "A little bit of all of the above".

Not all freemason's are bad, I'd say most are decent people, but then it would be crazy to say none of them could be bad or corruptable.

It's easy for people to give an answer in a poll which props up the beliefs they put forward on an interent forum, but truthfully none of us can say definitivley what the truth of a secret society is at every single level when by defenition we can't know, but simply make assumptions based on our opinions/bias.

Wolfe Tone · 13-06-2011 1:55pm

A money making group.

robroy1234 wrote: »

I have been a freemason for many years and what we mostly do is at local/provincial level. We prohibit any discussion on politics and religion, and we are also prohibited in trying to pursue any business within a lodge, so nepotism is strictly forbidden. We are not an old boys club as I am not that old, but our rituals and practices are indeed ancient. For membership one must be 1. be of masonic age (21+), 2. be in good standing in one's neighbourhood (no criminal record and not of ill-repute) and, 3. believe in the supreme being (God, Allah, Jehovah..etc), the third one is this requirement has been a sticking point for various religious organisations as we see all men as equals and that is regardless of race, colour or creed. Therefore we can meet and have a Jew a Christian and a Muslim present and be in accord with each other. And, as I am a catholic we are not anti-catholic in any way at all.
We have no political or economic power or influence, either nationally or internationally.
As for the Apron - this is deemed to be the oldest emblem of purity known to man. Originally for the Mason it kept his clothes underneath clean and is designed according to rank within the lodge, this helps to distinguish whether a man is an apprentice or a master mason.
In relation to the gloves, you are aware that in some professions such as archivists the wearing of gloves is to protect certain important artifacts. In freemasonry the wearing of pristine white gloves is to signify that hands that may be unclean or unwashed, and that the Holy Bible in the lodge cannot be touched by some unclean/unwashed hands.

What exactly is the point in being a mason then?

nullzero · 13-06-2011 1:55pm

humanji wrote: »

The Catholic Church slightly predates the Masons. If anything, the Masons borrow christian symbology.

Mason's claim that they can be traced to the building of the Temple of Soloman, something which would make masonic traditions older than those of Chritianity.
Modern masononic traditions are easily traced to the Stone mason guilds of medievil Europe, which if you were to take as a starting point for masonry would support what you're saying.

robroy1234 · 13-06-2011 10:30pm

Wolf Tone - What's the point of being a member of any group or organisation?

Son Of A Vidic · 13-06-2011 11:35pm

robroy1234 wrote: »

freemasonry the wearing of pristine white gloves is to signify that hands that may be unclean or unwashed, and that the Holy Bible in the lodge cannot be touched by some unclean/unwashed hands.

Holy Bible you say? Why would this be present in a Masonic Lodge? If Masons believe in the concept of God/Creator. Wouldn't the presence of a Bible prove discriminatory and contradictory to non-christian members?

Yitzhak Rabin · 14-06-2011 1:33am

A money making group.

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Holy Bible you say? Why would this be present in a Masonic Lodge? If Masons believe in the concept of God/Creator. Wouldn't the presence of a Bible prove discriminatory and contradictory to non-christian members?

The book can be any sacred volume, it can be the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, or the first edition of spiderman if thats what you believe.

In lodges where most of the members are Christian, then its a Bible, but if a Jewish person were taking an oath, it would be the Talmud. Its not discriminatory.

14-06-2011 2:08am

A group to make contacts.

I voted satanic cult, because it is, the bottom initiates dont understand this if they beleve it's not, some entered apprentices do not understand the point of the pyramid, the sybol alone of the grand lodge of ireland is 2 hooved angels, good and evil exist, evil is the deciever, and not knowing it actually exists or refusing to believe or understand is part of the problem and not the solution.

http://www.irish-freemasons.org/

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https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/444047/162956.pdf

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/444047/162957.pdf

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/444047/162958.pdf

This organisation is a force of evil even if all members dont realise it, the symbolism in the hooved angels is that they are covering the Ark of the Covenant, in other words they know where it is and are guarding the secret, because if it exists as they all believe it does it will be the one thing that destroys them, and no I havent seen raiders and harrison ford.

http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/ark-of-the-covenant.html

Absolam · 14-06-2011 1:54pm

A money making group.

nullzero wrote: »

Mason's claim that they can be traced to the building of the Temple of Soloman, something which would make masonic traditions older than those of Chritianity.
Modern masononic traditions are easily traced to the Stone mason guilds of medievil Europe, which if you were to take as a starting point for masonry would support what you're saying.

Actually most Masons would claim that Freemasonry descends from the medievil stone masons guilds, and some writers have tried to show that Freemasonry can be traced back to the building of the Temple, or even bcak to the mystery cults of Egypt, but there's no substantive evidence for either claim, both are fairly romanticised in my opinion.

Absolam · 14-06-2011 2:38pm

A money making group.

33 wrote: »

I voted satanic cult, because it is, the bottom initiates dont understand this if they beleve it's not, some entered apprentices do not understand the point of the pyramid, the sybol alone of the grand lodge of ireland is 2 hooved angels, good and evil exist, evil is the deciever, and not knowing it actually exists or refusing to believe or understand is part of the problem and not the solution.

This organisation is a force of evil even if all members dont realise it, the symbolism in the hooved angels is that they are covering the Ark of the Covenant, in other words they know where it is and are guarding the secret, because if it exists as they all believe it does it will be the one thing that destroys them, and no I havent seen raiders and harrison ford.

That's just utter nonsense.

squod · 14-06-2011 9:25pm

A group to make contacts.

Absolam wrote: »

That's just utter nonsense.

You should drag up the other freemasonry thread. To say its utter nonsense is utter nonsense. It's definitely a cult and highly likely a satanic one.

Absolam · 14-06-2011 10:07pm

A money making group.

squod wrote: »

You should drag up the other freemasonry thread. To say its utter nonsense is utter nonsense. It's definitely a cult and highly likely a satanic one.

Indeed, reading through the other threads on Boards alone would demonstrate just how nonsensical those statements are. Although as I recall, your own posts revolved more around your own beliefs than those of Freemasons.

squod · 14-06-2011 10:28pm

A group to make contacts.

Whether they are my beliefs or those of the freemasons is irrelevant to the truth.

Absolam · 14-06-2011 11:10pm

A money making group.

And the distinction between opinion and truth is reasonably significant.

squod · 14-06-2011 11:21pm

A group to make contacts.

Absolam wrote: »

And the distinction between opinion and truth is reasonably significant.

That's a fact! Not getting into this again. Pretty much accused of bashing in the last thread only got involved as Yekahs was going to join. Another soul lost, so be it.

Yitzhak Rabin · 14-06-2011 11:52pm

A money making group.

squod wrote: »

That's a fact! Not getting into this again. Pretty much accused of bashing in the last thread only got involved as Yekahs was going to join. Another soul lost, so be it.

I did join, but I don't believe in souls, so mine is available to the highest bidder.

saywhatyousee · 15-06-2011 5:17am

A group to make contacts.

I think they are a mixture off all the options:pac:

robroy1234 · 15-06-2011 10:50am

Squod, It is heartening to know that you know perfectly well what we do in meetings, more so than ourselves. I thank you for pointing out that we are satanists even though I do go to mass regularly, and not once ever is any form of dubious religious activity goes on in the lodges.

squod · 15-06-2011 10:54am

A group to make contacts.

Thanks for clearing that up. AFAIK I never said there was! Dig up the old thread if you want to hear what I said. It was a (mostly) simple conversation with another mason

JohnMarston · 15-06-2011 10:56am

A money making group.

Out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't affect me for worse or better, at least not in any way im aware of. So i vote a great bunch of lads

robroy1234 · 15-06-2011 11:15am

Well looking at the options, there is only one that is applicable - a great bunch of lads.

I would however would love to be a puppet master and be able to pull such strings - at least so I can get a reduction on the mortgage.
Money making group - I will still do the lottery each week.
Satanic group - don't really understand or know enough about satanism to judge what satanism really is, but being a catholic I would venture to state that that one is a non-starter.
Puppet - I choose to be Captain Scarlet.....

Emme · 15-06-2011 11:16am

I voted "a group to make contacts". That should be "a group of men to make contacts" because they don't allow women to join.

Owen · 15-06-2011 11:20am

Of course they don't Emme, it's a fraternity. Same way I can't join the Irish Countrywomen's Association, or the local women's golf team.

robroy1234 · 15-06-2011 11:24am

Contact with whom?....I can't even get my wife to wear the short dresses and skirts that she use to wear (she has one hell of a great body and legs), let alone get Calorgas to deliver on time..

I am however glad that noone has yet challenged me on the Captain Scarlet.....those blasted mysterons....

Absolam · 15-06-2011 1:33pm

A money making group.

I've made loads of contacts; none of them of useful in any sort of business way:rolleyes: but I've met a ton of guys I'd never have met otherwise from all sorts of backgrounds and walks of life. That for me is the essence of Freemasonry.. a fraternity of interesting and downright nice people.

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