Red Luas line should be closed

Grandeeod · 17-09-2013 8:42pm

I dont think closing it down is an option, but its definitley a huge problem in terms of public disorder. I live abroad and returned for a visit over the summer. I was on the red line once and once only. It was a sunday. The entire experience was very disappointing. Blatant anti social behaviour onboard and intimidation at Heuston and Jervis stops. So my one off experience was poor. Was I unlucky or is it so rampant that it can
be witnessed everyday.

be witnes

Spanish Eyes · 17-09-2013 8:50pm

I have used the Red Line rarely, it got me where I wanted to go without any hassle really, but I suppose on that basis I can't complain.

Have those of you who have major problems with this line contacted Veolia? Again, and again, and again?

2Mad2BeMad · 17-09-2013 8:53pm

im on it almost every day of the week
theirs anti social behaviour everywere , why get rid of something good? instead just increase security

miller50841 · 17-09-2013 8:53pm

The other day I was at heauston station and I noticed this absolute dirt bird she had gold trousers on had straw like hair and was quite old looked like she was on the drink and had soiled herself it was all over her and she was over bothering people then I saw the Luas pull in and I was like Oh no god help anyone that sits in the seat after her, she stumbled on along with other commuters which I was surprised to see them get on along with her imagine the smell.

The problem the Red line has is it is a service that drops the drug addicts right into where they want to be.

markpb · 17-09-2013 10:30pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Have those of you who have major problems with this line contacted Veolia? Again, and again, and again?

There's nothing Veoila/Transdev can do about this and very little that the RPA can do. It's a policing/judicial problem so it can only be solved by politicians.

anncoates · 17-09-2013 10:38pm

Get it every day to and from Jervis and definitely see skangers but not to the extent I'd stop getting it.

I've seen antisocial behavior but no way is it every day.

Maybe it's because I get it during commuting hours, as in 9 and 5.30.

KwackerJack · 17-09-2013 10:38pm

Seen lots of anti social behaviour on the green line!!

Well off, mature, respectable young men and women pissed drunk swinging like monkeys out of the bars but because there well to do its not anti social its a bit of fun??

So maybe shut down the entire luas!

I use to work the green line so i have seen ridiculous behaviour from people who should be able to act more responsible.

There is a lot of trouble on the red line but you would not believe the arrogance and pure cheek from daddys boys and girls on the green line!

Grandeeod · 17-09-2013 11:07pm

miller50841 wrote: »

The other day I was at heauston station and I noticed this absolute dirt bird she had gold trousers on had straw like hair and was quite old looked like she was on the drink and had soiled herself it was all over her and she was over bothering people then I saw the Luas pull in and I was like Oh no god help anyone that sits in the seat after her, she stumbled on along with other commuters which I was surprised to see them get on along with her imagine the smell.

The problem the Red line has is it is a service that drops the drug addicts right into where they want to be.

Prior to my move abroad, I used it fairly regularly, at least 4 days a week. It wasn't just drug addicts. It was absolute vermin from various walks of life that decided it was okay to act like complete dicks and terrorize people. On my one and only trip last month the disturbance on board was caused by youngsters mouthing obscenities down the carriage to each other in an attempt to get a reaction from other passengers. When they did, it turned into a very ugly situation. At Heuston and Jervis, the level of intimidation from all sorts was pitiful. In fairness, the junkies at these stops were the least of the problem. I found it to be out of control teens and drunk people. But I guess it takes a mixture to create the ultimate problem. Certainly not a good ad for the service. Where I live we have an identical system, opened just after the luas. Any bull**** on it and the police are all over it like a rash. So whats the problem in Dublin?

miller50841 · 17-09-2013 11:17pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Prior to my move abroad, I used it fairly regularly, at least 4 days a week. It wasn't just drug addicts. It was absolute vermin from various walks of life that decided it was okay to act like complete dicks and terrorize people. On my one and only trip last month the disturbance on board was caused by youngsters mouthing obscenities down the carriage to each other in an attempt to get a reaction from other passengers. When they did, it turned into a very ugly situation. At Heuston and Jervis, the level of intimidation from all sorts was pitiful. In fairness, the junkies at these stops were the least of the problem. I found it to be out of control teens and drunk people. But I guess it takes a mixture to create the ultimate problem. Certainly not a good ad for the service. Where I live we have an identical system, opened just after the luas. Any bull**** on it and the police are all over it like a rash. So whats the problem in Dublin?

As others have said the problem here is the judicial system and the fear from security and the guards themselves of been sued or held to account for others actions.

I totally agree with you it's not only the drug addicts but this country is so pc(politically correct) that we can't touch these scum bags. Also the problem with the racist word which a lot like to throw out there.

Sure if the security try to restrain or hold someone up you will usually see some do gooder getting involved as I have seen with my own two eyes on transport and a few times in a shop where I worked.

Lots of loonies walking around out there.

Zillah · 17-09-2013 11:26pm

KwackerJack wrote: »

Well off, mature, respectable young men and women pissed drunk swinging like monkeys out of the bars but because there well to do its not anti social its a bit of fun??

We're only scared of poor people.

end of the road · 17-09-2013 11:46pm

Grandeeod wrote: »

Where I live we have an identical system, opened just after the luas. Any bull**** on it and the police are all over it like a rash. So whats the problem in Dublin?

lack of resources, sadly its as simple as that, the judicial system should be a lot harsher on these little vermin also, rock breaking would be nice, oh yes, lovely

Grandeeod · 17-09-2013 11:53pm

end of the road wrote: »

lack of resources, sadly its as simple as that, the judicial system should be a lot harsher on these little vermin also, rock breaking would be nice, oh yes, lovely

I'll fess up. I'm in Spain. Economically on its knees, but its lack of resources in relation to law and order doesn't affect the little things, the simple things, that make life easier.

LoonyLovegood · 18-09-2013 12:10am

I don't get why everyone goes on about anti-social behaviour. Ignore anyone who's acting up and they tend to stop. If they don't, it gets sorted fairly quickly. Every country is going to have some sort of difficulty with these.

I regularly get it between Heuston and Busaras, and once/twice a month out to Tallaght. I've seen anti social behaviour maybe twice, and I've been doing these journeys for a few years. There's worse acting up on All Ireland Semi-Final day!

fishmahboi · 18-09-2013 12:19pm

I take the red line quite regularly to get to Tallaght and I haven't really seen any cases of extreme anti-social behavior as the only events that have taken place on the luas that one would associate with anti social behavior were just young students, first years I guess, messing on the luas or the occasional scumbag abusing a security guard at a Luas Station. The only major negative aspect of the Luas Red Line I guess is that the scenery is some areas is quite grim.

cython · 18-09-2013 1:17pm

markpb wrote: »

There's nothing Veoila/Transdev can do about this and very little that the RPA can do. It's a policing/judicial problem so it can only be solved by politicians.

Politicians solving something?! What a laugh! You realise that there are politicians in the areas where the troublemakers originate from whose interests will be for these people to continue using the Luas unhindered, surely? This means you'll just get two sides of politicians arguing over it all and wasting everyone's time.

Veolia/Transdev could put more security on the trams and eject those causing trouble (surely no more complex than a premises employing doormen, though more would be required). Further, greater rates of ticket inspection backed up by said security would probably deter some of the troublesome element who regard the Luas as almost a right and (ab)use it regularly with no tickets.

But of course there would be a cost associated with this and since it would probably just force people off the Luas rather than getting them to comply with ticketing regulations, there's little motivation unless compliant users are so deterred they stop using it almost entirely.

dowlingm · 18-09-2013 3:10pm

I hereby renew my previous suggestion - issue free travel passes to Gardai and members of the defence forces while they are travelling in uniform. In the former case obviously crimes committed on board could be dealt with, in the latter it would be more about "raising the tone" and having witnesses less likely to be intimidated by the local messers into declining statements to enforcement personnel boarding after an incident.

cdebru · 18-09-2013 10:31pm

dowlingm wrote: »

I hereby renew my previous suggestion - issue free travel passes to Gardai and members of the defence forces while they are travelling in uniform. In the former case obviously crimes committed on board could be dealt with, in the latter it would be more about "raising the tone" and having witnesses less likely to be intimidated by the local messers into declining statements to enforcement personnel boarding after an incident.

Gardai travel free on DB I presume it is the same on the LUAS.

miller50841 · 18-09-2013 10:33pm

cdebru wrote: »

Gardai travel free on DB I presume it is the same on the LUAS.

They have their warrant card they can go as they please it's down as a unwritten rule. You would rather carry them then some of the others that's what my dad always said;)

Spanish Eyes · 19-09-2013 9:27pm

cdebru wrote: »

Gardai travel free on DB I presume it is the same on the LUAS.

Scumbags causing mayhem have no fear of authority, at all. They like to provoke them I think, as a pastime.

So they are turfed off the bus/Luas by the Gardai or Security. Names taken. Then what?

Nothing, they get on the next tram and do it all over again.

Maybe if places like ....

The Children's Court,
The Merchants quay drug centre
The drug treatment centres in the city centre
Etc. Etc.

Were moved to industrial estates on the outskirts, then the scobies might not need to use public transport for kicks.

Not transport related, but that Merchants Quay centre right across the road from the Four Courts and right at a bus stop is a total disgrace, location wise. I've seen commuters waiting at that stop, and tourists back off with fear at some of the carry on there.

But we can't say anything, because it's not politically correct to criticise drug addicts, despite the screaming and roaring they do outside and on the way to these places, while the rest of us try to get in and out of the city for work or pleasure, while paying through our taxes for all this drug rehab for these people.

God I am sick of it.

SteM · 20-09-2013 1:13pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Maybe if places like ....

The Children's Court,
The Merchants quay drug centre
The drug treatment centres in the city centre
Etc. Etc.

Were moved to industrial estates on the outskirts, then the scobies might not need to use public transport for kicks.

I don't understand your reasoning.

If the people you are talking about are not from the 'industrial estates on the outskirts' then they'd still have to use public transport. In fact, they'd probably have to use more public transport than they currently do unless everything you mentioned above was replicated on the north, south and west edges of the city and even then you'd still have the undesirables from the city centre having to use public transport to get out to these places.

We don't need to go changing the whole city around to ignore the minority of undesirables here, we need to police what we have at the moment in a better way.

Surveyor11 · 23-09-2013 11:40am

SteM wrote: »

I don't understand your reasoning.

If the people you are talking about are not from the 'industrial estates on the outskirts' then they'd still have to use public transport. In fact, they'd probably have to use more public transport than they currently do unless everything you mentioned above was replicated on the north, south and west edges of the city and even then you'd still have the undesirables from the city centre having to use public transport to get out to these places.

We don't need to go changing the whole city around to ignore the minority of undesirables here, we need to police what we have at the moment in a better way.

Going to go out on a limb here - Why aren't the children's courts and drug treatment centres situated where the problem lies? Surely a quick demographic study would throw up a few more locations where these could be situated, where ordinary people and tourists aren't intimidated in our city centre?

SteM · 23-09-2013 12:03pm

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Going to go out on a limb here - Why aren't the children's courts and drug treatment centres situated where the problem lies? Surely a quick demographic study would throw up a few more locations where these could be situated, where ordinary people and tourists aren't intimidated in our city centre?

You don't think there are drugs problems and antisocial behaviour issues in inner city Dublin?

Aard · 23-09-2013 9:33pm

The problem with drug treatment centres is not that they're there full stop, it's the concentration of them. If they were better dispersed, then there wouldn't be such a problem. Drug addicts do not just live along the red line.

reprazant · 24-09-2013 10:25am

Surveyor11 wrote: »

Going to go out on a limb here - Why aren't the children's courts and drug treatment centres situated where the problem lies? Surely a quick demographic study would throw up a few more locations where these could be situated, where ordinary people and tourists aren't intimidated in our city centre?

Where area of Dublin do all these problems lie so that we can put the Children's Court in it?

ThePieintheSky · 02-10-2013 8:02pm

Shame to see this really.

Thug terror on Luas Red Line at record high

http://www.herald.ie/news/thug-terror-on-luas-red-line-at-record-high-29595512.html

pappe · 16-10-2013 5:01pm

I used to take Red Luas on a daily basis and it is basically impossible not being subject of intimidations (except early day). The scums who are intimidating passengers don't seem to have a ticket most of the time.
I reported it several time to Veolia. However I keep seeing scenes were the ticket inspectors don't do anything to stop this. Ticket inspectors don't bother to check or to fine those anti social people (easy to recognise) but they make a big effort in prosecuting decent passengers who forgot to tag for example.
It would be easy checking those that are causing problems (at least!)...there are a couple of them at each stop...

Riskymove · 16-10-2013 5:19pm

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

Shame to see this really.

Thug terror on Luas Red Line at record high

http://www.herald.ie/news/thug-terror-on-luas-red-line-at-record-high-29595512.html

while some of the carry-on is disgraceful, its typical shoddy journalism though all the same

"1,300 cases of thug terror a year...25 a week etc"

then you read down and find 1030 of them were ticket machines being vandalised

SimonTemplar · 16-10-2013 5:24pm

What sections of the line are the worst and at which times?

pappe · 16-10-2013 9:34pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

What sections of the line are the worst and at which times?

Definitely Belgard, Fettercairn, Cheeverstown on one end, Fatime, St JAmes, Heuston, Smithfield, Jervis, Abbey on the other.

Any time after lunch time is bad, I think off peak hours is the worst, i.e. from 2 to 4 pm and from 6 onwards.

n97 mini · 16-10-2013 9:52pm

I got off at Smithfield recently at about 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. I literally stepped out into sea of junkies and winos, nearly like a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie, which was quite intimidating in itself, so I turned around and got back on again and got off at Abbey St.

KD345 · 16-10-2013 9:59pm

I had two bad experiences last week. I boarded a tram in the IFSC at 5.30pm where there was a gang of teenagers shouting, standing on seats and causing disruption. I got off at Abbey Street, which had two security staff, to take the next tram. Unfortunately, this tram had junkies smoking and drinking. This was traveling at peak time. It's really awful to see.

swarlb · 17-10-2013 12:14am

I used to live and work in the Stonybatter area in the 70/80's. It had a great 'village' feel to it. There were issues of course, but nothing like you'd read about these days. I left in the late 90's, just before Smithfield and the Luas were redeveloped.
A few points. During those early years, I made my first trip to New York. As is usually the case, the first few days were sightseeing. I can tell you, I was genuinely terrified for my life when I casually got onto the Subway, for no reason than to travel around. Apart from the state of the carraiges, there was a total feeling of menace. From the passengers who clearly went about their business as quickly as possible, with no eye contact. There was the constant groupings of what could only be described as 'predators', waiting to pounce on anyone who looked remotely fearful. I made a mental note then and there, never to return.
But return I did, in 1999 to ring in the New Year. And, while I was apprehensive at first, it soon passed. I could not believe the transformation.
Early last year I had to make a trip to the city. I parked my car at the Red Cow, and took my first trip on the Luas (and my last). From the time I spent waiting for the tram, till I arrived at the Point, I actually never thought the journey would end. I actually did not use my return ticket, and booked a taxi to bring me back to my car.
Now, I'm no shrinking violet, I'm over 6' tall, and reasonably well built, but nothing would make me get on a Luas again. From the few people I saw vomiting, to the language, and the constant shouting up and down the carriage (maybe drugs make you deaf, I don't know), but the air of menace I experienced in New York was all too familiar.
If they can change the Subway, I'm certain they can change the Luas, but I don't think we have the will, or the resources to do it.

Heikki · 17-10-2013 12:19am

darkman2 wrote: »

I think I am in a majority that calls for the line to be dismantled. Anti social behaviour and far worse is the norm on this tram line. Dubliners are intimidated and what of tourists? It goes through the city centre - it is embarrassing and disgraceful. Of course it ferries scum (for free) from Tallaght to the Children's court (great planning that eh?) and no matter what security is on it it will not make any difference. The scumbags have the run of it. When the judge let's the feral children out after 10 convictions they simply hop on the tram and go home (not paying of course and intimidating passengers). I think the line should be closed because it is a free ride for scum in and out of our capital city and addicts looking for the clinic behind Clearys. Until the council use their heads I don't think this line should remain open. I think the line is dangerous and represents an appalling image of this city to tourists who are also at risk of harm.

Only a matter of time before someone is killed within a tram on that line. Mark my words that will happen. Anyone that cannot see the security implications with this line is a complete idiot and clearly has never used the tram.

I nearly got jumped by a gang of ten a while ago. They called me an undercover garda and surrounded me arounf 8PM. They were passionatly hateful in their actions and took intimatation to It's max. I couldn't exit the tram fro fear of being followed and being cut or beaten.

pappe · 17-10-2013 10:44am

Once I was in Belgard with my girlfriend waiting for the Luas until a gang of teenagers started intimidating us and they somehow invited my girlfriend to follow them. That was on a Sunday at around 6pm. We ignored them since the very beginning but they were still intimidating us (and expecting a reaction somehow) and when I started keeping my girlfriend closer to me because of the possible danger I had the feeling that a couple of them could have been aggressive towards us. Luckily they jumped all into the next Luas after 5 minutes that lasted like an eternity for us. There is no need to add that probably those kids were not paying the fare for taking the luas.
I reported the event to Luas customer care and they told me that I should have used the disposal at the Belgard station for emergency and ask for help. I believe that if those kids would have seen me doing that I would have been beaten or my girlfriend could have been raped perhaps (this happens nearly every day in Dublin, I don’t think I am exaggerating here).
I notified Veolia authorities that those dangerous people (easy to identify) are usually not paying for luas tickets, as they jump out when they see orange vests. Veolia told me that they are working hard to make controls stricter but all I can see is decent people being fined and no change in regards of the dangerous troublemaker not paying the fare. Seriously...when luas ticket inspectors need to deal with any of them they let them go without making any effort, even if the security guards are around, I witnessed that several times.
As a luas customer I am paying around 70 euro per month for commuting and I am experiencing nasty and dangerous situation very often where also my personal safety is involved...is it fair? The big stickers in the driver cabin luas explained that while Luas authorities have the right to ask passengers for a ticket but also they commit to provide passengers with a pleasant and safe journey at the top of the list!

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 17-10-2013 10:52am

They should do it like they do in Berlin. Have plain clothes inspectors, preferably with powers of arrest. Identify where the scum live and take the fine from their parents benefits. The parents knock the ****e out the scum for costing them boozing money and all is right with the world. Tragic I know but how are you supposed to deal with the types of animals regularly seen on the Red Line. They act the way they do because they see the Luas as a soft target.

Laneyh · 17-10-2013 12:34pm

pappe wrote: »

Once I was in Belgard with my girlfriend waiting for the Luas until a gang of teenagers started intimidating us and they somehow invited my girlfriend to follow them. That was on a Sunday at around 6pm. We ignored them since the very beginning but they were still intimidating us (and expecting a reaction somehow) and when I started keeping my girlfriend closer to me because of the possible danger I had the feeling that a couple of them could have been aggressive towards us. Luckily they jumped all into the next Luas after 5 minutes that lasted like an eternity for us. There is no need to add that probably those kids were not paying the fare for taking the luas.
I reported the event to Luas customer care and they told me that I should have used the disposal at the Belgard station for emergency and ask for help. I believe that if those kids would have seen me doing that I would have been beaten or my girlfriend could have been raped perhaps (this happens nearly every day in Dublin, I don’t think I am exaggerating here).
I notified Veolia authorities that those dangerous people (easy to identify) are usually not paying for luas tickets, as they jump out when they see orange vests. Veolia told me that they are working hard to make controls stricter but all I can see is decent people being fined and no change in regards of the dangerous troublemaker not paying the fare. Seriously...when luas ticket inspectors need to deal with any of them they let them go without making any effort, even if the security guards are around, I witnessed that several times.
As a luas customer I am paying around 70 euro per month for commuting and I am experiencing nasty and dangerous situation very often where also my personal safety is involved...is it fair? The big stickers in the driver cabin luas explained that while Luas authorities have the right to ask passengers for a ticket but also they commit to provide passengers with a pleasant and safe journey at the top of the list!

yeah pressing the emergency speaker at the Luas stop isn't really a viable option in that scenario. It definitely would have made the situation worse for you.
I've only seen the emergency button on the tram itself used once. A junkie collapsed and kinder people than myself tried to help him.
They hit the button on the speaker to speak to the driver and got no resposnse. So that doesnt' fill me with confidence that it would work out any better in a different situation.

Also, if someone is threatening you or fighting the last thing you want to do is broadcast via speaker that you are reporting them. Unless they can provide security staff immediately you would most likely get the hiding of your life

Laneyh · 17-10-2013 12:37pm

n97 mini wrote: »

I got off at Smithfield recently at about 3pm on a Saturday afternoon. I literally stepped out into sea of junkies and winos, nearly like a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie, which was quite intimidating in itself, so I turned around and got back on again and got off at Abbey St.

Wow! it's saying something when the Abbey St stop is the safer option.
It has gone to the dogs at several of the stops at this stage.
George's dock to the Point is probably the safest segment.

Laneyh · 17-10-2013 12:39pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Scumbags causing mayhem have no fear of authority, at all. They like to provoke them I think, as a pastime.

So they are turfed off the bus/Luas by the Gardai or Security. Names taken. Then what?

Nothing, they get on the next tram and do it all over again.

Maybe if places like ....

The Children's Court,
The Merchants quay drug centre
The drug treatment centres in the city centre
Etc. Etc.

Were moved to industrial estates on the outskirts, then the scobies might not need to use public transport for kicks.

Not transport related, but that Merchants Quay centre right across the road from the Four Courts and right at a bus stop is a total disgrace, location wise. I've seen commuters waiting at that stop, and tourists back off with fear at some of the carry on there.

But we can't say anything, because it's not politically correct to criticise drug addicts, despite the screaming and roaring they do outside and on the way to these places, while the rest of us try to get in and out of the city for work or pleasure, while paying through our taxes for all this drug rehab for these people.

God I am sick of it.

Wouldn't they still need to use public transport to access the industrial estates? Is that not just moving the problem rather than addressing it?

pappe · 17-10-2013 1:17pm

Laneyh wrote: »

George's dock to the Point is probably the safest segment.

Which is 5 minutes (if not less) journey out of a total 60 minutes from The Point to Saggart/Tallaght. But at least you can say you feel safe for 5 minutes

pappe · 17-10-2013 1:20pm

Laneyh wrote: »

Also, if someone is threatening you or fighting the last thing you want to do is broadcast via speaker that you are reporting them. Unless they can provide security staff immediately you would most likely get the hiding of your life

Of course...I would feel like Mr Bean if in a similar situation if I would go to broadcast it through that speaker...maybe when it is not even working!

hardCopy · 17-10-2013 1:48pm

pappe wrote: »

Of course...I would feel like Mr Bean if in a similar situation if I would go to broadcast it through that speaker...maybe when it is not even working!

Reminds me of this:

hatrickpatrick · 17-10-2013 3:56pm

Typical Irish solution. Ban something altogether just because some people misuse them.
You know that story at the start of the Bible where God is about to destroy a bunch of unspellable cities but declares "If I find even ten good people there I won't do it"? In Ireland it's more like "There might be hundreds of good people, but if you find even one bad person, smite the whole place."

It's how we deal with everything from fireworks to voicemail hacking - absolutely no regard to the silent majority of ordinary people who aren't w@nkers.

ThisRegard · 17-10-2013 4:17pm

pappe wrote: »

my girlfriend could have been raped perhaps (this happens nearly every day in Dublin, I don’t think I am exaggerating here).

Women getting gang raped at public transport stops every day ?

SimonQuinlank · 17-10-2013 4:28pm

Laneyh wrote: »

Wouldn't they still need to use public transport to access the industrial estates? Is that not just moving the problem rather than addressing it?

Go away with your logic,ban it to hell!

Rabble rabble rabble,zombie junkie gang rapes etc and so forth...

DellyBelly · 17-10-2013 4:44pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Women getting gang raped at public transport stops every day ?

I see it every day myself while in the city. A girl stands at a public transport and she gets raped within thirty seconds it's terrible Joe!!!

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 17-10-2013 5:03pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

I see it every day myself while in the city. A girl stands at a public transport and she gets raped within thirty seconds it's terrible Joe!!!

Shure,shure go on.

KungPao · 17-10-2013 5:09pm

I live in Tallaght and go to the city centre every weekday and at least once on weekends. I get the bus. Much quicker, safer, and more comfortable than a cold tram going 20KPH and stopping every 2 seconds to allow more rats on board who haven't paid for a ticket.

I find a LUAS trip to be very frustrating overall - Green line included which I used regulary last year. Too slow, too many stops, freezing in the winter with doors opening all the time, ticket checks all the time (but usually only for normal fare paying users like myself, the dirtbags don't need to pay), uncomfortable seats with a bad very layout etc.

On trips from the Square to Abbey St. and vice versa, Iv'e seen pretty everything that has been mentioned on this thread including:

A delightful couple of sub humans smoking heroin.
Charming teens running and shouting while being intimidating.
Travellers and Roma etc. hiding and looking out for tickets inspectors etc and just strolling off and getting the next tram to avoid getting their collars felt. The inspectors see them but don't follow them.
Oulfellas plastered with bags of cans at 9am.
Dirtbags barely concious.
Smoking and drinking in general by absolute wastes of space.

Argh.

My bus is like a haven compared to the Red LUAS.

KungPao · 17-10-2013 5:35pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Women getting gang raped at public transport stops every day ?

Im sure he means in general. You never know what scum are capable of and you should never underestimate it.

Front page of todays Echo newspaper:

Teenager Raped and Beaten in Public Park</headline>

She was walking in Fettercairn (quite possibly from the LUAS near there) at 8 in the evening, not far from Belgard at all, and raped by someone "not known to her". She was under 16 apparently.

ceekay74 · 17-10-2013 5:58pm

darkman2 wrote: »

Anyone that cannot see the security implications with this line is a complete idiot and clearly has never used the tram.

Complete idiot?

dfx- · 17-10-2013 6:19pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Women getting gang raped at public transport stops every day ?

I did kind of stop reading after that as it called into question every other detail.

KungPao wrote: »

I live in Tallaght and go to the city centre every weekday and at least once on weekends. I get the bus. Much quicker, safer, and more comfortable than a cold tram going 20KPH and stopping every 2 seconds to allow more rats on board who haven't paid for a ticket.

...

My bus is like a haven compared to the Red LUAS.

This is the smart way to travel from Luas served areas.

Red Luas line should be closed

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