The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2014

evolving tipperary · 13-02-2014 10:09pm

What do people think of the new panel? No seamus kennedy? Is Niall O'Meara injured? No Geroid Ryan? NO Stapleton (brothers)? No John O'Brien? No Paul Curran?

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/allianz-hurling-league-division-1a-tipperary-v-waterford/

NO shane Bourke either?

The Lost Sheep · 13-02-2014 10:20pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

What do people think of the new panel? No seamus kennedy? Is Niall O'Meara injured? No Geroid Ryan? NO Stapleton (brothers)? No John O'Brien? No Paul Curran?

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/allianz-hurling-league-division-1a-tipperary-v-waterford/

Dont have any real issues with that squad.
Dont think Niall O Meara is injured unless he got injured in Fitzgibbon cup this week, which he is out of now as Mary I lost.
Didnt Paddy Stapleton do something to his Hamstring in WCC so may not be back yet and he will be added when back fully fit?
Think good few of the others have injuries and will be added back when fit.

evolving tipperary · 13-02-2014 10:26pm

O'Meara is on the panel - named on it - as is Stapleton (Paddy) - I was thinking of the Templederry lads - Brian and Tomas - Didn't Tomas play in teh waterford cup final?

tippspur · 14-02-2014 12:14am

Garoid Ryan is injured for a while but I hear he'll be back soon.

The Lost Sheep · 14-02-2014 12:18am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

O'Meara is on the panel - named on it - as is Stapleton (Paddy) - I was thinking of the Templederry lads - Brian and Tomas - Didn't Tomas play in teh waterford cup final?

thanks.
Brian's playing Fitzgibbon, may get a shot after his role in that competition ends. Tomas did play WC final. Presume he's been dropped since then.

tippspur · 14-02-2014 12:21am

TIPP TEAM.

TIPPERARY (SH v Waterford) – Darren Gleeson; Cathal Barrett, Conor O’Mahony, Michael Cahill; Shane McGrath, Padraic Maher, Conor O’Brien; Brendan Maher (Captain), James Woodlock; Seamus Callanan, Noel McGrath, Kieran Bergin; Jason Forde, Paddy Murphy, John O’Dwyer

Waterford has a very strong line out for Saturday night,I think this Tipp team will have a lot to do to beat them.

evolving tipperary · 14-02-2014 12:24am

What do you make of the wing back choices?

evolving tipperary · 14-02-2014 12:30am

Is it his groin again? You'd have to worry for his career....

Red Crow · 14-02-2014 1:17am

Bit of a mix there. Strong Waterford team out and I think this side will have its work cut out for them.

Spirit of 67 · 14-02-2014 3:00am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

What do people think of the new panel? No seamus kennedy? Is Niall O'Meara injured? No Geroid Ryan? NO Stapleton (brothers)? No John O'Brien? No Paul Curran?

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/allianz-hurling-league-division-1a-tipperary-v-waterford/

NO shane Bourke either?

Surprised Micko Heffernan didn`t make the Panel . At least Colin O`Riordan , Steven O`Brien and Seamus Kennedy can concentrate on Football now .

evolving tipperary · 14-02-2014 3:41am

On reflection - I jumped the gun - the above is teh match day panel - this is the enormous squad O'Shea is working with at the moment:

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/senior-hurling-panel/

all the players I initially thought and you mentioned - apart from Johno O'BRIEN who seems to be dropped - are on it

Comordha · 14-02-2014 10:43am

Am happy with the team named with my only worry being the full back position but Curran has been a worry there in recent years anyway. Bergin up front could add a huge amount to this team. Hopefully Bubbles is allowed take the frees, seems to be the most consistent. Woodlock & B.Maher in midfield is my favoured midfield partnership. Brendan will track back more & Woodlock can move forward and break open defences which then creates the space that Tipp forwards (Corbett, Callanan) have always thrived off. Bookies have this one at 4/11, if it were closer to 8/11 I'd put a good bit on Tipp.

Tipperary animal lover · 14-02-2014 2:05pm

Hopefully the younger players can give a good show of themselves sat night, like the look of o'dwyer and forde in the corners but not sure of paddy at full but o'shea most see something in the lad. As one Waterford boards member has said he dosent like the look of this tipp team were to much fur coats and no knickers .... Hopefully sat eve will show them were back to best and o'shea has put the belief back into this team.

14-02-2014 2:31pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

What do people think of the new panel? No seamus kennedy? Is Niall O'Meara injured? No Geroid Ryan? NO Stapleton (brothers)? No John O'Brien? No Paul Curran?

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/allianz-hurling-league-division-1a-tipperary-v-waterford/

NO shane Bourke either?

Fitzgibbon/Ryan etc will claim a few for the next month I imagine. Will be an interesting game tomorrow night. Hope the weather holds up

premierstone · 14-02-2014 3:52pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

What do people think of the new panel? No seamus kennedy? Is Niall O'Meara injured? No Geroid Ryan? NO Stapleton (brothers)? No John O'Brien? No Paul Curran?

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/allianz-hurling-league-division-1a-tipperary-v-waterford/

NO shane Bourke either?

evolving tipperary wrote: »

On reflection - I jumped the gun - the above is teh match day panel - this is the enormous squad O'Shea is working with at the moment:

http://tipperary.gaa.ie/senior-hurling-panel/

all the players I initially thought and you mentioned - apart from Johno O'BRIEN who seems to be dropped - are on it

The panel you have linked is the offical training panel, the panel that was named on Thursday night is a 26 man panel exclusively for the league.

Seamus Kennedy, Paul Curran, Gar Ryan and Niall O'Meara, along with Jack Peters, David Collins, Micahel Breen and Tadgh Gallager are all iinjured at present.

The situation with John O'Brien seems unclear and neither side have clarified whether he is still part of their plans or whether he has chosen to retire.

evolving tipperary · 15-02-2014 6:07pm

What's the story with John Meagher? Would you have him in?

evolving tipperary · 15-02-2014 11:56pm

Shane Bourke was named on the league panel...and yet came on tonight...

Alpha Dog 1 · 16-02-2014 12:27pm

Very poor performance from tipp last night in Thurles. Michael Cahill apart very few players had stand out performances.

Waterford really should have had us dead and buried with 10 minutes to go as they missed countless good chances. Was only in the second half when Waterford started to tire which created space that the tipp forwards got going. Ultimately a soft goal from a free from Darren gleeson which proved the difference.

Very samey from tipp, still looking at the same players who haven't been good enough for the last few years. Would be Easy to say that it's early in the season and they will improve but the fact is its the same problems which have been around for the last few years. Failure to win any ball in the forwards, non existent half forward line. Waterford almost won every 50/50 ball.

We should be alright for the league as in terms of skill and ability we are possibly the best in the country but unless things change it will be the championship where fitness, speed, work rate and desire are key where we will be found wanting.

Ompala · 16-02-2014 2:14pm

Only saw the 2nd half last night.
Half forward line really struggled under puck outs, and all the full forward line were replaced by the end.
When our forwards did get the ball they made much better use of it than Waterford's did, which cost Waterford the match in the end.
Really slow start by us too, Waterford went around 6 points to 1 up very early on.
Would start Denis Maher the next day, and try Mickey Cahill at midfield (thought he fully deserved MOTM), not sure who they could try in defence instead of him.
Don't think Paddy Murphy has it for intercounty myself, we have better players imo.
Anyone else think we should try work on a short game more? We definitely have the skill for it. Times where we hit the long ball in last night and it just came straight back out.
On a positive note, at least we won!

tippspur · 16-02-2014 9:39pm

One of the poorest inter county hurling games I attended in a long time last night,if Waterford were any good in the forwards they would have won the game handy enough,some of the Tipp performances just weren't good enough,Bubbles,Murphy,Forde,Noel Mc Grath not in the game at all while Paudie, Barrett and Cahill had good games.the cats will hammer us next week if we give a repeat performance against them.

16-02-2014 10:22pm

Woeful effort last night. Bubbles just had one of those games and i felt in general the inside line were starved. With the exception Bergin, the usual culprits were guilty of slouching on the 40......Not good enough. They've got enough chances in my opinion.
Lar has taken alot of flak from the media but one or two others seem to get an easy ride. Time to cut them loose and usher in a new era i think. I said it last year and i remain adamant about it.

16-02-2014 10:28pm

Ompala wrote: »

Only saw the 2nd half last night.
Half forward line really struggled under puck outs, and all the full forward line were replaced by the end.
When our forwards did get the ball they made much better use of it than Waterford's did, which cost Waterford the match in the end.
Really slow start by us too, Waterford went around 6 points to 1 up very early on.
Would start Denis Maher the next day, and try Mickey Cahill at midfield (thought he fully deserved MOTM), not sure who they could try in defence instead of him.
Don't think Paddy Murphy has it for intercounty myself, we have better players imo.
Anyone else think we should try work on a short game more? We definitely have the skill for it. Times where we hit the long ball in last night and it just came straight back out.
On a positive note, at least we won!

You make alot of good points but tbh im not so sure we'll get the room for the short game. Depends on the opponents really.

Tbf to Paddy he just lacks the ability. He has the heart and It was heartening to see him at least show for puck outs but even Conor Kenny is a better option and thats saying something.

Bubbles just had an off day. I felt Forde was starved of ball. He is a bit slow in terms of pace but he is very very skilful.

Time to say goodbye and good luck to both Noel and Callanan though. We'll meet tight games and neither of those cut the mustard any longer

ReacherCreature · 17-02-2014 12:37am

I'm going to take it easy on the players for another few games but next week's fixture versus Kilkenny isn't exactly filling me with joy. It should make for a decent contest though: they're chasing their first win and we're looking to get better. I am glad of the win though and it wasn't in the best underfooting.

I will say thank God for Kieran Bergin (what a delicious long range point) and Michael Cahill. I thought Bergin got stuck in well and Cahill is some battler for us. Heart in spades. Barrett had a good debut and looks like he'll run for ages.

Gleeson's choice of attire was a strange one, essentially a polo shirt! :cool:

17-02-2014 12:40am

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I'm going to take it easy on the players for another few games but next week's fixture versus Kilkenny isn't exactly filling me with joy. It should make for a decent contest though: they're chasing their first win and we're looking to get better. I am glad of the win though and it wasn't in the best underfooting.

I will say thank God for Kieran Bergin (what a delicious long range point) and Michael Cahill. I thought Bergin got stuck in well and Cahill is some battler for us. Heart in spades. Barrett had a good debut and looks like he'll run for ages.

Gleeson's choice of attire was a strange one, essentially a polo shirt! :cool:

it seemed to be one of those navy o'neills quarter zip tops.

Id imagine Tipp will introduce a navy outfield change shirt in the coming months that will become our change goalkeepers shirt also which we normally don against Waterford. As it is im not sure if we even brought out a new first choice goalkeeper top yet.

17-02-2014 12:48am

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I'm going to take it easy on the players for another few games but next week's fixture versus Kilkenny isn't exactly filling me with joy.

Personally i think if we had the likes of Niall O'Meara, Colm O'Riordan, Liam Mcgrath, Bonnar, and John Meagher named against Kilkenny id be very optimistic as we would in the very least have an honest group of lads on the pitch that wont just down tools when things arent going our way.

Kilkenny aren't as imposing as they used to be. We just have to believe and really go out guns blazing with the intention and desire of absolutely battering them. Ask them the questions of them for a change and really panic them into thinking quickly in their clearances. Our current approach of letting their half backs clear ball after ball freely is just not good enough. We've made legends of them alone with our half-hazard approach.

Fúck sake sure were as good as Cork who knocked them out of the championship and we have better lads coming through the ranks. Time for the brave men to step up and the faint hearted boys to walk away though

evolving tipperary · 17-02-2014 3:58am

Is John Meagher injured?

evolving tipperary · 17-02-2014 4:09am

I agree with the sentiments regarding Noel and Seamus's work rate. However, if they were not on the field would we have won that game? I think we are too quick to throw players away...Noel needs open space. I would play him midfield and let the opposition midfield worry about him - he is not a center forward regardless of his play making abilities. Brendan Maher is needed at half back (even in the half forwards before midfield) as he can win ball in the air. John O'Brien has been our best ball winner - not on the panel anymore? Surely he is worth a sub. My team would be:

Glesson

Curran O'Mahony Stapleton (people talk about Curran's lack of pace - but he never really lets us down and is very physical and tough- that would be a tough full back line for me)

Cahill Maher Maher

Noelie Woodlock

O'Meara Bergin Bonnar

Bubbles Lar Forde(maybe Callinan if in top form)

Comordha · 17-02-2014 11:47am

Would be worried about that game in Nowlan Park next weekend, if Tipperary play as they did the last day it could be a routing. Definitely some positional changes required. Thought Callanan was very poor until he got the goal, couldn't win a ball or even chase down a back or force a hook or a block. Wouldn't worry about Bubbles, he will deliver. Was just an off day for him.

17-02-2014 2:31pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I agree with the sentiments regarding Noel and Seamus's work rate. However, if they were not on the field would we have won that game? I think we are too quick to throw players away...Noel needs open space. I would play him midfield and let the opposition midfield worry about him - he is not a center forward regardless of his play making abilities. Brendan Maher is needed at half back (even in the half forwards before midfield) as he can win ball in the air. John O'Brien has been our best ball winner - not on the panel anymore? Surely he is worth a sub. My team would be:

Dont get me wrong, when the game becomes wide open like the second half did the other night, both can be lethal. But in a tight game which we are going to meet quite a few of, then id be worried about their application.

Xenophile · 17-02-2014 8:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally i think if we had the likes of Niall O'Meara, Colm O'Riordan, Liam Mcgrath, Bonnar, and John Meagher named against Kilkenny id be very optimistic as we would in the very least have an honest group of lads on the pitch that wont just down tools when things arent going our way.

Kilkenny aren't as imposing as they used to be. We just have to believe and really go out guns blazing with the intention and desire of absolutely battering them. Ask them the questions of them for a change and really panic them into thinking quickly in their clearances. Our current approach of letting their half backs clear ball after ball freely is just not good enough. We've made legends of them alone with our half-hazard approach.

Fúck sake sure were as good as Cork who knocked them out of the championship and we have better lads coming through the ranks. Time for the brave men to step up and the faint hearted boys to walk away though

Give up looking to poach the footballers. Encourage them to get promotion and let us truly become a dual county.

tippspur · 17-02-2014 11:37pm

Xenophile wrote: »

Give up looking to poach the footballers. Encourage them to get promotion and let us truly become a dual county.

Hurling first,Football second.

evolving tipperary · 17-02-2014 11:39pm

The players will make those decisions themselves? It's hardly poaching?

Spirit of 67 · 17-02-2014 11:40pm

Xenophile wrote: »

Give up looking to poach the footballers. Encourage them to get promotion and let us truly become a dual county.

This is something that concerns me too , how many of the young dual players will make the final Hurling panel , I hope they are not being used to deliberately deprive the Football panel of players . I often think of William Mahers comments last year that dual players are a hindrance and hope there is not an agenda against the Football Team .

Spirit of 67 · 17-02-2014 11:42pm

tippspur wrote: »

Hurling first,Football second.

Not every one in the County jumps on the Hurling Bandwagon , some of us prefer Football .

The Lost Sheep · 17-02-2014 11:59pm

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

Not every one in the County jumps on the Hurling Bandwagon , some of us prefer Football .

Or at least prefer both on equal level. Strength of depth for hurlers much deeper and easier for hurlers to lose 1/2 than the footballers.

ReacherCreature · 18-02-2014 11:15pm

tippspur wrote: »

Hurling first,Football second.

I don't think that kind of attitude will help us to gain some parity in dual-code success (however far off that may seem right now). If I was coaching a team and there's a very talented footballer onboard who loves what he plays but doesn't like hurling, I'd endeavour to keep him playing what he loves.

tippspur · 18-02-2014 11:55pm

This is a Hurling County first and foremost,I like to see the football teams doing well but if a player is good at both codes I would want him to pick Hurling first if he has to make a choice between the two.

Spirit of 67 · 19-02-2014 12:01am

County Senior Football Championship Draw next Monday night !

Red Crow · 19-02-2014 12:54am

Mikey Cahill is just an outstanding hurler. Would of walked into an All Star last year had Tipp made it any further. I said he should of been made captain last year and I stand that. He was the only player in the Championship that didn't go missing last year.

Alpha Dog 1 · 19-02-2014 10:53am

I wouldn't rule out noel mc and callinan just yet. I think we can afford to have two "fancy hurlers" in the forwards as long as we can find 4 good hurlers who can put in a shift. Every game has periods where it opens up and both those players can be lethal if given the opportunity.

I'd be inclined to put noel at the edge of the square though and put seamus in the corner. I would probably go with bubbles in the other corner.
We need to find a centre forward unless Bergin can do a job. I'd prefer someone 6f 4" who's excellent in the air. Lar and Bonner would make up a decent half forward line if they can get back to the form we know they are capable of.

It's the distribution from the half back line which seriously needs to be looked at. Hit and hope clearances won't cut it at the top level.

Have the makings of a decent team we just need to get everyone firing and hope that some of the younger lads step up to the plate! There was a lot of damage done to Nolan Park, wonder what condition it will be in this weekend.

19-02-2014 12:31pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

I wouldn't rule out noel mc and callinan just yet. I think we can afford to have two "fancy hurlers" in the forwards as long as we can find 4 good hurlers who can put in a shift. Every game has periods where it opens up and both those players can be lethal if given the opportunity.

No sorry i don't accept that. As premierstone once suggested, Seamie wouldn't be allowed carry the Hurley's for the team in Kilkenny and he is right. Both their work-rates are abysmal. Do you think Eddie Brennan or Richie Power would have been allowed away with that in Kilkenny? Even DJ made some sort of decent attempt to pressurize his opponent without the ball. The most we can hope for with the lads is a token gesture. Noel ran past his opponent the weekend at one stage.

No one is suggesting running the length of the pitch to win the ball back but at least stop their man from getting in a clearance and worse still been actually able to pick out a man from long range. Bad enough that both these lads are tall enough and cant beat an opponent to a ball.

I just dont think there is this binary situation that people make out between being a 100% working forward and solely a sticksman who makes the most of loose possession. In the modern game lads will have to do a bit of both.

Might be ok to have a laissez faire attitude when your against opponents who are comfortable to believe that they have enough fire power to score more then you (ala Clare and even they have a certain amount of work-rate) but we're in the era of space been closed down as soon as it appears and defences being packed and sweepers being utilised.

premierstone · 19-02-2014 2:22pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

What's the story with John Meagher? Would you have him in?

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Is John Meagher injured?

John has excluded himself from the panel to concentrate on U21 Football, he is captain of the U21s and they have a real chance of an AI, U21 football will be over early, I would expect him to be part of the hurling panel by the years end.

Alpha Dog 1 · 19-02-2014 7:08pm

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he has absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

Red Crow · 19-02-2014 7:41pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

After how we played on Saturday I'd be playing it down too. Everybody is focusing in on how important the league is. It's the current 'trend'. While I recognise it's importance it's still largely experimental. Teams are starting to take it more seriously but it's not going to decide anything.

I think unearthing players in the league is more important.

ReacherCreature · 19-02-2014 8:36pm

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

Meant to post about that myself, I was very disheartened upon hearing that. It's a complete 180 degree turn from last year when winning the league was a goal and they hurled well for the majority of the campaign. Now it's possible he's entering this as a managerial statement, one that Davy and Cody are at but it's not the thing a paying fan wants to hear.

Mind, he did say they still would 'try' but it seems a bit of a blunder on his part IMO.

The Lost Sheep · 19-02-2014 9:29pm

premierstone wrote: »

John has excluded himself from the panel to concentrate on U21 Football, he is captain of the U21s and they have a real chance of an AI, U21 football will be over early, I would expect him to be part of the hurling panel by the years end.

Fair play to him for that. Should be added to squad when football ends. Would there be many others from u21 footballers who have potential to be added

Alpha Dog 1 wrote: »

Very strange to hear eamon o shea say that he has absolutely no ambitions to try and win the league.

doubt they really have no ambitions to win league and shame to hear that openly been said. There's only 3 main comp's the county can win and the league is one of them. shame to hear one of those comps being disregarded

Red Crow wrote: »

After how we played on Saturday I'd be playing it down too. Everybody is focusing in on how important the league is. It's the current 'trend'. While I recognise it's importance it's still largely experimental. Teams are starting to take it more seriously but it's not going to decide anything.

I think unearthing players in the league is more important.

I think momentum is most important thing to take from league. Build good steady momentum to lead into opening game in Munster and see things flow. poor/inconsistent league and while a win may be pulled out for opening Munster game its easier with players having plenty of confidence built up from a strong league campaign

evolving tipperary · 20-02-2014 3:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

No sorry i don't accept that. As premierstone once suggested, Seamie wouldn't be allowed carry the Hurley's for the team in Kilkenny and he is right. Both their work-rates are abysmal. -

But if you remeber when we won the All-Ireland in 2010 - I remember Seamus coming on as a sub and hunting someone down in the wing back position and making a clearance. He can do it. It's about getting them into that mindset again and making them see that's the kind of work-rate needed to win an All-Ireland. Gearoid Ryan got up and down the the pitch so much that day he ran JJ. Delaney into the ground. No easy feat. But he has been continually hampered by injuries since....desperate luck - the loss of Seamus Hennessy and Gearoid Ryan to injuries has been disastrous to the development of this team - As they were important members of those minor and under 21 winning teams. Hennessy was a player who always found a way to make a winning contribution. Ryan's work-rate when fit is immense. A real pity.

evolving tipperary · 20-02-2014 3:41am

premierstone wrote: »

John has excluded himself from the panel to concentrate on U21 Football, he is captain of the U21s and they have a real chance of an AI, U21 football will be over early, I would expect him to be part of the hurling panel by the years end.

- Thank you - He is a really talented chap. Obviously, a very committed guy through his actions of committing to his captaincy. Hurling is my first love, but I can respect such commitment. I hope he and the football panel get their rewards.

evolving tipperary · 20-02-2014 3:44am

Yes - ball winning half forwards. I know Paddy Murphy did not set the world on fire last Saturday - but we need to someone to learn their trade there. We can't keep expecting players to set the world on fire straight away. Hopefully from Paddy Murphy, Niall O'meara, Colm O'Riordan, Denis Maher and Denis Cahill we have players who will learn and adapt to become class operators.

20-02-2014 3:46am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

But if you remeber when we won the All-Ireland in 2010 - I remember Seamus coming on as a sub and hunting someone down in the wing back position and making a clearance. He can do it. It's about getting them into that mindset again and making them see that's the kind of work-rate needed to win an All-Ireland. Gearoid Ryan got up and down the the pitch so much that day he ran JJ. Delaney into the ground. No easy feat. But he has been continually hampered by injuries since....desperate luck - the loss of Seamus Hennessy and Gearoid Ryan to injuries has been disastrous to the development of this team - As they were important members of those minor and under 21 winning teams. Hennessy was a player who always found a way to make a winning contribution. Ryan's work-rate when fit is immense. A real pity.

Thats the most annoying thing. These guys were dropped by Sheedy and when he went they went into relaxed mode. Hard to take

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