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M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

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  • #52
    Chris_533976
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    Although I dont know the N11 terribly well, it seems to me that theres a good bit of DC with a little gap in the middle, and with no terribly major bottlenecks now that Gorey is bypassed.

    Contrast this with the N20 which has no hard shoulder and little overtaking opportunities for almost its entire length from Mallow to Croom. Couple that with some of the most dangerous bends out there, especially around Buttevant. You cant take them at more than 50-60kmh if you're lucky.

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    Contrast also with the remaining two schemes on the N18. Just after the end of the DC there is a section near Crusheen where two buses can barely fit past eachother.

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    Although I dont doubt that the N11 needs a DC, the N20 between Mallow and Croom needs doing more urgently, as does the N18 between Crusheen and Gort, anyway.

    The DC projects are important, but they are being done in a political order. If I was minister for transport, I'd put the Mitchelstown - Fermoy section of the N8 (no bottlenecks and wide enough road) on hold for now and do Mallow - Croom instead.


  • #53
    loyatemu
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    Chris_533976 wrote:
    Although I dont know the N11 terribly well, it seems to me that theres a good bit of DC with a little gap in the middle

    this is exactly the problem - traffic reaching the "gap in the middle" is coming off at least 20 miles of motorway standard road in either direction onto a winding narrow track. To make matters worse, anyone familiar with the road will be aware that theres more motorway just ahead and may be in a hurry to get back onto some good road.


  • #54
    Chris_533976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    But at the same time (most) people who know the road will sit back and say 'right I can overtake in a few km and it'll be fine'. Not so with the crappy parts of the N18 or N20. In the case of the latter theres 30km without safe opportunities.


  • #55
    murphaph
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    Chris_533976 wrote:
    But at the same time (most) people who know the road will sit back and say 'right I can overtake in a few km and it'll be fine'.
    That's exactly how I treat that stretch. Hang back and relax.


  • #56
    spacetweek
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    The problem is that although Arklow-Wicklow is clearly necessary, to bridge the gap and provide a continuous standard of road, there is no major town along the way - so there's no bypass element. This makes it justifiably less urgent than schemes like the N20, where there are several major towns along the route (as well as the route being substandard.) The NRA are prioritising bypasses before linking sections.


  • #57
    spacetweek
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    I think people are being very grabby and unrealistic about this. At some level the NRA has to prioritise things in a list, you can't start all road projects at the same time, it's a physical impossibility. One road has to start after another road.

    With resources stretched to the limit and the NRA putting contracts out to tender as fast as they can, if we gave to the N11, we would have to take from somewhere else - that's not justifiable.


  • #58
    Zoney
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    spacetweek wrote:
    At some level the NRA has to prioritise things in a list, you can't start all road projects at the same time, it's a physical impossibility. One road has to start after another road.

    Exactly, which is why it's perfectly justifiable to be somewhat irate that the interurbans weren't finished by 2006 as planned, and it now looks like they may not even be finished by 2010, the new "promise".

    The point is that they should be done, and work should be by now proceeding apace on the N18, N20, N24, N25, N30 and N11.


  • #59
    PoolDude
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    Which begs the question - how do we want the work prioritised?

    Major Bottlenecks or Major Blackspots


  • #60
    D'Peoples Voice
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    Zoney wrote:
    The point is that they should be done, and work should be by now proceeding apace on the N18, N20, N24, N25, N30 and N11.
    Please tell me you are joking 0 lookin at the routes you've listed, anyone would think the government should priortise those routes that are heavily used and NEED upgrading.
    that's not how the irish government work, nor how they have worked over the past 30 years.
    The government will look at the geographical spread of those roads, where their marginal constituencies are in terms of votes, and prioritise the spending on that basis:D You only have to look at any publication since Enda Kenny took over Fine Gael to see the strong emphasis by FF put on the news releases on investment in roads in the BMW region - I'm sure it's just a concidence:D


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  • #61
    jd
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    http://www.braypeople.ie/frontpage/td-under-fire-for-n11-upgrade-call-1227849.html
    TD under fire for N11 upgrade call



    Attempts to have the N11 through Wicklow upgraded as a matter of priority have landed a County Wexford TD in hot water with Councillors there.Wexford County Council was last week told that it is despicable' that Fine Gael's Deputy Michael D'Arcy would be trying to get roads in County Wicklow done before roads in his own county'.

    Attempts to have the N11 through Wicklow upgraded as a matter of priority have landed a County Wexford TD in hot water with Councillors there. Wexford County Council was last week told that it is despicable' that Fine Gael's Deputy Michael D'Arcy would be trying to get roads in County Wicklow done before roads in his own county'.
    Cllr. Lorcan Allen stuck the boot into his former Council colleague by asking Wexford County Council ensures that there is no slowdown by the National Roads Authority in progressing the Camolin, Ferns and Enniscorthy bypasses and the second river crossing at New Ross.'
    Cllr. Allen said that Deputy D'Arcy had circulated a letter following a recent fatality on the dangerous stretch of the N11 in Wicklow looking for work to be carried out as a matter of urgency to improve road safety.
    In 45 years in politics I never interfered in another county,' said Cllr. Allen, before referring to the TD's actions as despicable'.
    He said that following the success of the Gorey bypass he wanted to see all the other major jobs contained in his notice of motion go ahead.





  • #62
    JupiterKid
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    Parochial small minded local politics wins the day again I see.:rolleyes:

    That's one of the things that is so wrong about this little country of ours.:mad:


  • #63
    King Kelly
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    Perhaps Cllr. Allen is less disposed to the N11 upgrades in Wicklow as, unlike the recent Gorey bypass, none of his family land will benefit from any rezoning opportunities there!




    http://www.ireland.com/focus/commuter/5.html

    Quote from article below

    " Although a significant portion of the town's development has been happening outside its official boundary, the plan says it is the county council's policy to adopt a "clear boundary to development" to ensure that Gorey grows in a planned fashion and lay down a "clear demarcation line" to prevent it merging with Courtown. How then can it explain or justify a decision to rezone a parcel of 47 acres of land at Raheenagurren, on the Courtown road, outside this elastic development boundary, for "commercial and mixed land uses"? Or the decision to extend the boundary northwards to incorporate another parcel of land at Ballyloughan on the N11?

    Some 35 of the 47 acres at Raheenagurren is owned by the elderly mother of Cllr Lorcan Allen, a minister of state during the Haughey era. He chaired the council's four-member Gorey district committee which decided to rezone it, but absented himself when the decision was taken and insisted there was "no stroke-pulling" involved.

    The other members of the committee were Michael D'Arcy TD (FG), Deirdre Bolger (FG) and Joe Murphy (FF). They would have been well aware that the Allen land was close to an interchange on the future Gorey bypass, and it was a specific objective of the area plan that sites along the bypass be reserved for strategic development.

    The decision caused outrage locally as it was made without any public consultation. Neither the lands at Raheenagurren nor Ballyloughan had been proposed for zoning when the draft plan was put on public exhibition in late 2001. They were simply added to the plan and ratified by the full council without going back on public display.

    "It's crazy that something like this, which has such a long-term impact for the town, can take place without people knowing," says Malcolm Byrne, a Fianna Fáil member of Gorey Town Council. What worries the local chamber of commerce is that the Raheenagurren site could now be developed for a major out-of-town shopping centre.


    ...and yes the cllr. D'arcy that provokes such ire in cllr Allen at the moment is the cllr D'arcy who rubberstamped the rezoning.


  • #64
    PoolDude
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    PoolDude wrote: »
    Traditionally the NRA publish a list of projects that will be ongoing or started during each year at the start of the year. Haven't seen it for this year yet but wonder if the Rathnew to Arklow section will get funded.


    And so they have!

    Arklow - Rathnew will go to Tender in 2008 (I guess that means construction starts next year)

    Enniscorthy Bypass will go to CPO/EIS this year. No mention of whether this is Clogh to Oilgate or the original Enniscorthy bypass plan.


  • #65
    ian_m
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    PoolDude wrote: »
    And so they have!

    Arklow - Rathnew will go to Tender in 2008 (I guess that means construction starts next year)

    That's good news.


  • #66
    PoolDude
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭PoolDude


    Anyone hear anything about the Arklow - Rathnew Tender yet?

    They must be waiting till the end of the year at this rate!


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  • #67
    Sponge Bob
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    PoolDude wrote: »
    They must be waiting till the end of the year at this rate!

    It may be tendered in 2010 with construction to start in 2011 in time for the election ....if you are very very lucky.

    Its been pulled along with the N18 Galway - Ennis road and the Newlands Cross job in the cutbacks.

    From Noel Dempseys announcement in January
    The tender process for the construction of the N11 Arklow/Rathnew scheme will commence in 2008.This project represents the last remaining link in the N11 Dublin to Gorey route.

    Whereas the N18 and Newlands cross jobs were supposed to start construction this year but were pulled recently ....and they are ahead of the N11 on the list .

    It may be complete in 5 years or so but only if they start the tender process in 2010.


  • #68
    PoolDude
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    Was there confirmation that this years tender process for the N11 has been pulled?


  • #69
    Chris_533976
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    Nope. A lot of this is still speculation and assumptions.


  • #70
    Sponge Bob
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    Chris_533976 wrote: »
    Nope. A lot of this is still speculation and assumptions.

    You follow the money then Chris, always follow the money !

    Simply Go here p 25 and top of p26.

    There are €5bn worth of National roads under construction all of which are to be paid up by 2010

    Of the €5bn worth some €2bn has been spent up to Feb 2008 so a further €3bn is due in 2008 2009 and 2010

    €3bn is cool , the NRA gets €1.5bn a year .

    Add to that the alleged starts in 2008 if not cut from the program

    €400m worth of N18 , €200m worth of 36km of Nenagh - Castletown on the N7 then 2 long N9 projects either side of Carlow for another €400m , so thats another €1bn to take spending to €4bn and due to be finished by end 2010.

    The NRA gets €1.5bn a year so thats still cool, but

    1. Where is the M50 Phase 3? ( It may have finished by February and was small anyway ( N4-N3) )
    2. Where is N11 north of Arklow €100m ish that if it ever happens .
    3. Where are the €200m odd a year bits of planning and archaelology and land purchases and test borings and what nots = €600m over 3 years .
    4. The Galway bypass , €350m , hah hah ha ha ha <cough> sorry .
    5. Where are the annual PPP payments on UNTOLLED sections to come from if there is no toll ??
    6. Where is Road Maintenance and signage in all this ??
    7. Tullamore is to be bypassed , lets not worry about that bit .


    1. 2. and 3. and 4. amount to €1.05bn which when added to the €4bn
    gives €5.05bn along with the unquantifiable but will not go away 5. and 6. and 7.

    The NRA gets €1.5bn a year so thats still cool, but WHOAHHH .

    €5.05Bn divided by 3 is €1.7bn a year more like and we all know the NRA never got €1.7Bn in a year not even when things were good.

    Things are not good now so of course they will get €1.7bn in each of these not so good years, won't they Chris .

    Arklow will be cool , the NRA will be cool with Arklow. Money they seem not to have must be found for Arklow and for Galway too don't forget .

    Follow the money Chris , always follow the money.

    You should also believe in your heart that Dick Roche and the Government Ministers who live in Wicklow and Wexford have the political muscle to see you guys through .

    And if you do magic up some Money then please consider sharing it with Galway , there's a good chap :cool:


  • #71
    spacetweek
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    You follow the money...
    TLDR :)

    Thanks for the maths Sponge. A simpler way of putting it is that over the last 3 years, the NRA has had a budget of 1.4-1.7 bill per year.

    This has been enough to have 5-10 interurban motorways on the go each year PLUS another 4 or 5 new motorway starts each year.

    Considering the allocation this year is 1.7 bill, and 2009/2010's allocations will be a little less but still in the 1.5 area, this still allows for the 4 or 5 new starts each year. Nothing stopping M18/M19/N11 remaining schemes going ahead, then.


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  • #72
    Sponge Bob
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    PoolDude wrote: »
    Yet despite the dangerous drivers there is still no word on the Rathnew/Arklow section going to tender!

    There is no money for it , like I said weeks ago.

    There will be no money next year either.


  • #73
    NedNew
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭NedNew


    Well it's out to tender now...

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUN103478

    The design and construction of approximately 16.5 km of new dual carriageway standard National Primary Road linking the N11 Arklow Bypass dual carriageway (completed in 1999) with the N11 Ashford Rathnew Bypass (completed in 2004). The contract also consists of the provision of two grade separated Interchanges near the Beehive Junction and the Jack White’s Junction of the existing N11, the realignment and construction of new sections of the existing N11 to form an all purpose single carriageway road parallel to the dual carriageway and the construction of three overbridges, four underbridges and one cattle underpass. The Contract will also consist of the realignment of Regional and Local Roads, the construction of new local roads and the construction of accommodation roads. The standard dual carriageway cross section is comprised of 4 no. travelling lanes, 2 no. hard shoulders, 2 no. verges and a central reserve. The works also include the design and construction of associated drainage, accommodation works, fencing, ducting, signs, ancillary works, diversions of public and private services, lighting, landscaping and environmental works.


  • #74
    Sponge Bob
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    NedNew wrote: »
    Well it's out to tender now...

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JUN103478

    The design and construction of approximately 16.5 km of new dual carriageway standard National Primary Road linking the N11 Arklow Bypass dual carriageway (completed in 1999) with the N11 Ashford Rathnew Bypass (completed in 2004). The contract also consists of the provision of two grade separated Interchanges near the Beehive Junction and the Jack White’s Junction of the existing N11, the realignment and construction of new sections of the existing N11 to form an all purpose single carriageway road parallel to the dual carriageway and the construction of three overbridges, four underbridges and one cattle underpass. The Contract will also consist of the realignment of Regional and Local Roads, the construction of new local roads and the construction of accommodation roads. The standard dual carriageway cross section is comprised of 4 no. travelling lanes, 2 no. hard shoulders, 2 no. verges and a central reserve. The works also include the design and construction of associated drainage, accommodation works, fencing, ducting, signs, ancillary works, diversions of public and private services, lighting, landscaping and environmental works.

    Good God Ned you are right :eek: , but do I detect a booby trap here ????

    II.2.1)

    Total quantity or scope

    The design and construction of approximately 16.5 km of new dual carriageway standard National Primary Road linking the N11 Arklow Bypass dual carriageway (completed in 1999) with the N11 Ashford Rathnew Bypass (completed in 2004). The contract also consists of the provision of two grade separated Interchanges near the Beehive Junction and the Jack White’s Junction of the existing N11, the realignment and construction of new sections of the existing N11 to form an all purpose single carriageway road parallel to the dual carriageway and the construction of three overbridges, four underbridges and one cattle underpass. The Contract will also consist of the realignment of Regional and Local Roads, the construction of new local roads and the construction of accommodation roads. The standard dual carriageway cross section is comprised of 4 no. travelling lanes, 2 no. hard shoulders, 2 no. verges and a central reserve. The works also include the design and construction of associated drainage, accommodation works, fencing, ducting, signs, ancillary works, diversions of public and private services, lighting, landscaping and environmental works. Scope will also include specifications contained in the tender documents.



    Estimated value excluding VAT: 87,000,000
    Currency: EUR

    There is no chance that they will get a bid for €87m for all that . €5m a km for Dual Carriageway


  • #75
    Sponge Bob
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    Astounding , the NRA found a few quid somewhere then :eek: .

    I was told by my excellent sources this had been pulled from 2008 along with the N18 projects and not forgetting the redesign that will put the N17 Claregalway and Tuam Bypasses back to 2015, earliest .


  • #76
    Carawaystick
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    All the land has been bought, fenced off and several houses have been knocked already, this route is more advanced than the N/M17
    that's great news it's gone to tender.
    Hopefully the "good people of Wicklow and Wexford vote yes...." :)

    I guess we'll see after the 3rd Oct
    IV.3.5)
    Date of dispatch of invitations to tender or to participate to selected candidates
    Estimated date 03-10-2008


  • #77
    PoolDude
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    All the land has been bought, fenced off and several houses have been knocked already, this route is more advanced than the N/M17
    that's great news it's gone to tender.
    Hopefully the "good people of Wicklow and Wexford vote yes...." :)

    I guess we'll see after the 3rd Oct
    IV.3.5)
    Date of dispatch of invitations to tender or to participate to selected candidates
    Estimated date 03-10-2008


    So, If I'm reading this right by October 3rd they will have a shortlist who they will begin final/detailed negotiations with. I'm guessing this process takes a few months before selection and commencement would likely be Q1 2009 earliest. Add 2 years, minus them coming in ahead of shcedule and optomistically we are looking at pre Christmas 2010.


  • #78
    Quadra
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    Great to see this tender finally released. Praise be.

    Aside from the bottleneck that it is, this evil peice of road has claimed so many lives over the years, I'm really glad it's days are finally numbered.

    I'm still trying to get my hands on the full route plan / map. From the text description of the route in the environmental assessment years ago, it seemed to me that it will be a 'Glen of the Downs' type job (minus the folks in the trees I hope): the majority of the works very close to the existing N11.

    No pain, no gain. The full tender notice states 36 months maximum works period, but they'll probably have it done in less than that.


  • #79
    spacetweek
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    Am well glad that this one is moving forward. It isn't acceptable to have a gap between two duallers like this. The N11 has been making good progress over the years even though its upgrade has never really been a major priority.

    I'll be surprised if it's finished by 2010 though, that's cutting it a bit fine.


  • #80
    PoolDude
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭PoolDude


    Yeah, the fatality rate on that stretch must be one of the highest on any stretch of national route in the country.


  • #81
    Quadra
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Quadra


    I try to be optimistic but the chances that the Arklow/Rathnew scheme gets biffed in the budget next week have to be high.

    They'd be mad to cut it (again) but given the trade-offs of health, education, welfare, don't be surprised.

    Dunno if anyone has any other info on the capital allocation for the scheme (my point is it may be already 'spent' from a budget year perspective), and maybe the procurement process has an affect on the obligation to proceed (unlikely I think).....

    Ho hum. Guess we'll just have to see what next week brings.....g'wan there Brian, get the flippin' thing built.


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  • #82
    Quadra
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Quadra


    This from the Wicklow People last week:

    Road upgrades are still sought

    Wednesday October 08 2008

    DELAYS in vital upgrades to the most dangerous stretch of road in the county have been blamed for almost daily road traffic accidents in certain sections.

    At this week's meeting of Wicklow County Council members were informed that a study of the section of road between Arklow and Rathnew must be carried out before long awaited works can commence. The study itself would cost in the region of an estimated €150,000.

    'This is the fourth or fifth year that we have received the very same promises and nothing has happened,' said Cllr. Nicky Kelly.

    'There have been countless serious accidents after which we get crocodile tears from the government and then nothing happens. We must be realistic. Now with massive cuts it won't be done in the short term. We are fooling ourselves as this is only a ploy,' he added.

    Cllr. Jimmy O'Shaugnessy was of a similar opinion and told fellow members not to be fooled.

    'We will see more fatalities there. These studies are only a waste of public funding. I doubt Minister Gormley will be down on his bicycle to see the state of the N11.'

    Director of Services Seamus Walker informed members that a scientific study is required to identify problems and solutions.

    'I am optimistic that we will not be led up the hill to be marched back down again. We will know when the budget is out. We are going ahead on the basis that we will build the road. I will keep going until I am told I cannot go any further,' he said, as he urged members not to lose all hope."


  • #83
    Sponge Bob
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    Arklow - Rathnew was cancelled according to Newstalk or RTE Radio news this evening.


  • #84
    L1011
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    More 'not mentioned specifically in the budget speech' rather than 'cancelled'. It could easily still be cancelled though!


  • #85
    Sponge Bob
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    They read out a list of cancelled projects including Arlow Rathnew and Athenry Gort and Castleisland in Kerry .


  • #86
    BluntGuy
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    The budget speech was quite vague...

    It highlighted the general idea of what they wanted to do this year, but it gave no concrete details on what has been postponed or cancelled.

    EDIT: Did they Sponge Bob? Where can I find this list?


  • #87
    Sponge Bob
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    BluntGuy wrote: »
    .

    EDIT: Did they Sponge Bob? Where can I find this list?

    Sorry man , someone else heard the same news item as me is all I can tell you , see.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57579100&postcount=27

    It was a 'briefing' by the department of Transport that was being covered on the news. I remembered the ones I posted .

    I was busy swerving to hit a cat at the time :p


  • #88
    Quadra
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Quadra


    The N11 Arklow-Rathnew deferral gets coverage in the Indo this morning.

    Basically, work won't start until 2010 at the earliest.

    At least another 4 to 5 years of that savage piece of road. Give me patience.

    Article:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget-2009/the-measures/metro-powers-ahead-but-major-road-projects-suffer-1498939.html


  • #89
    serfboard
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    Quadra wrote: »
    The N11 Arklow-Rathnew deferral gets coverage in the Indo this morning.

    Basically, work won't start until 2010 at the earliest.

    At least another 4 to 5 years of that savage piece of road. Give me patience.
    Given that this is a particularly dangerous stretch of road, I am surprised about this deferment. It flies in the face of a supposed commitment to road safety.


  • #90
    Chris_533976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Yeah I can understand Carrigtwohill - Midleton getting the chop (its DC already and I think they're closing the medians anyway), Gort - Athenry isnt **too** bad. Gort - Crusheen is badly needed to bypass Gort and Crusheen.

    But the N11 scheme I am surprised about. I thought Gort - Crusheen would get the chop over that one, or would the west kick up a fuss then?


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  • #91
    PoolDude
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    It would be interesting to see how the fataility stats stack up on the projects above and below the line.


  • #92
    jd
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    http://www.goreyguardian.ie/news/council-urges-nra-to-finish-dual-carriageway-1500666.html
    WEXFORD County Council have called on the National Roads Authority (NRA) and Wicklow County Council to commence and finish the dual carriageway through south Wicklow as soon as possible.
    The motion was put forward by Fine Gael members at Monday's meeting of Wexford County Council and Cllr. Michael Kinsella spoke on their behalf, pointing out that a large number of Wexford commuters travel that dangerous stretch of road each day to get to work and back home again.
    'A lot of Gorey's so-called residents only sleep there,' said Cllr. Kinsella.'I've canvassed a lot of houses at 8 p.m. only to be answered by people in their nightwear.'
    Cllr. Lorcan Allen advised him that maybe he shouldn't be canvassing at that time, before pointing out that the stretch of road in question was a matter for Wicklow County Council.
    'My priorities are in the boundary of this county. I won't support this motion, it's interfering in another county where we have no jurisdiction,' said Cllr. Allen, adding that Wicklow County Council have started preparing for the project.
    Cllr. Declan MacPartlin said 'it's the most dangerous stretch of road from Wexford to Dublin'.
    'The situation has lasted way beyond the period it should have, we should put some pressure on, though it's not likely to make much difference,' said Cllr. MacPartlin.
    'No-one should object to investing to save lives, people have been killed on those roads,' said Cllr. John Dwyer. Cllr. Padge Reck said the completed dual carriageway, linking with the Gorey bypass, would also substantially cut down on travel times to Dublin.
    Cllr. Jimmy Curtis opposed the motion. 'We need to look after our own area and let Wicklow look after theirs,' he said.
    Cllr. Kinsella said he was 'absolutely shocked' that Councillors Allen and Curtis had opposed his motion, particularly Cllr. Allen as he was a Gorey man, but it was carried after a vote.


  • #93
    tw0nk
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    Is that Councillors Allen fella the multi-millionaire fella? drives me cracked when people oppose progress, travel on that road everyday, there is one stretch where lorries actually just drive out onto road without stopping in the non-existant "margin", they just force themselves onto the road.

    Im sick of this stretch of road.


  • #94
    thedarkroom
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    The Allen you are thinking of is Bernard Allen, the owner (or co-owner?) of the Bewley's Hotel in Ballsbridge and Sandyford, Slaney Meats, and countless other successful ventures.
    The Allen referred to in the above is actually Lorcan Allen from Gorey.
    Lorcan Allen is a long serving outspoken member of Wexford County Council, with many vested interests. He's a local auctioneer and a few years ago he had a large track of 'his mother's land' rezoned in the Gorey Local Area Plan after the public consultation period had concluded. This happened despite advice by all the Council planners who said that it should not happen. Shortly after this, his (sorry, his mother's!) land was identified as one of the areas partly taken up as needed for the Gorey By-Pass. One would wonder how much extra the tax payer had to fork out because of the additional value the rezoning put on the land. He denied that he personally benefitted from this, it was, after all, his 96 year old mother's land. He currently is a member of the Planning Committee and the Housing Committee responsible for the Strategic Policy for Wexford, he is currently Vice Chairman of Wexford County Council, he has been Chairman, is on the Gorey Electoral Area Committee, Gorey Town Council and God knows what else. As an auctioneer and substantial landowner in the area, it has to be asked is it prudent that he should be serving committees that make local policy decisions about land use and rezoning.
    What's this got to the N11 forum? Well if this is just one small stretch of this length stretch of major infrastructure, and you can see what is going on here, than you can be sure that it is most likely happening on other parts aswell. If this is inflating the cost of these projects then it makes funding more difficult and erratic and more prone to being put on hold during times of budgetary difficulties. Who knows what will happen to the stretch of road between the Arklow bypass and Rathnew/Ashford.
    I travel this road every day so I will be very happy when it is done but I'm not optimistic about it evading the cuts of this budget.


  • #95
    L1011
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    This deferral even got mentioned in Joe Behan's resignation letter; sounds like he may want it back on the table to get him back in to the party...

    Down him and Seamus Brennan; FF+PD+Green is only the bare 83 seats; meaning they'll be relying on the Ceann Comhairle and the independents to support them to get the Finance Act passed. And one of those independents is threatening not to.


  • #96
    Badabing
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    MYOB wrote: »
    This deferral even got mentioned in Joe Behan's resignation letter; sounds like he may want it back on the table to get him back in to the party...

    Down him and Seamus Brennan; FF+PD+Green is only the bare 83 seats; meaning they'll be relying on the Ceann Comhairle and the independents to support them to get the Finance Act passed. And one of those independents is threatening not to.

    FF as it stands have= 76 greens= 6 pds= 2 = 84


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  • #97
    L1011
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    FF have 75. 76 on election + O'Hanlon (previously ceann comhairle) - O'Donogue (ceann comhairle) + Bev (rejoined) - Brennan (died) - Behan (left).


  • #98
    Badabing
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    MYOB wrote: »
    FF have 75. 76 on election + O'Hanlon (previously ceann comhairle) - O'Donogue (ceann comhairle) + Bev (rejoined) - Brennan (died) - Behan (left).

    They had 77 on election, its all on electionsireland.org


  • #99
    tw0nk
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    Any updates on the stretch between jack whites and beehive?


  • #100
    iwo
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    Hi,

    Any update on this? I heard that money meant for this road will be spent on metro in Dublin... Traffic is getting bigger and bigger, people are moving to Gorey etc. I hate this part between Arklow and Rathnew!!
    Fingers crossed...


  • #101
    Quadra
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Quadra


    I'm with you on this iwo - I travel the stretch at least 4 times a week (roundtrip) and it's the complete inaction of the authorities that does my head in the most, aside from the queueing & crawling on the stretch itself. I'd wear the hassle if they'd only give us a firm date when the scheme would start.

    This from the Wicklow People last week:

    "NEWS THAT vital upgrades on the N11 from Arklow to Rathnew will not go ahead despite the fact that funding has previously been allocated by the NRA and Department of Transport has been met with disgust at Wicklow County Council.

    In a letter to Council management, the NRA stated that the tendering process must immediately cease and that works cannot proceed due to commitments to other projects which have already commenced.

    'This is the second time that this has happened and now it will be 2020 before anything is done with the N11. Huge money has been spent by somebody on advertising and on consultants. Now this work has been deferred again and how much did that cost us? If it was another area it would have gone through already,' fumed Cllr. Jimmy O'Shaughnessy."

    Feck's sake......


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