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2010 HSE Ambulance Service Recruitment

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Griffindore


    Should be hearing about teh November class in the next 2 weeks. Can't believe the time has finally come. Nail biting between now and getting that all important text message. Fingers crossed that everything goes to plan and we get the text. Good luck everyone!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭subscriber


    Can I ask what has people under the impression that there even is a class for November? Has there even been any indication of this by manorhammiliton or where has this idea come from?

    My experience with them is that they dont give any indication of when classes will be starting, as not to get peoples hopes up..

    PS not tryin to be pessimistic , just realistic


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    subscriber wrote: »
    Can I ask what has people under the impression that there even is a class for November? Has there even been any indication of this by manorhammiliton or where has this idea come from?

    My experience with them is that they dont give any indication of when classes will be starting, as not to get peoples hopes up..

    PS not tryin to be pessimistic , just realistic

    I was told by Manorhammilton that there is expected to be a Nov. class, but this was before the HSE blew their budget!

    but all i hear points to a Nov class. i expect a start date of the 7th Nov.
    the Exams are in the middle of march as per the Phecc website.

    but from now on its a case of wait and see! i think for a 7th Nov start the offers will go out 10th Nov.


  • Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭subscriber


    stevie06 wrote: »
    I was told by Manorhammilton that there is expected to be a Nov. class, but this was before the HSE blew their budget!

    but all i hear points to a Nov class. i expect a start date of the 7th Nov.
    the Exams are in the middle of march as per the Phecc website.

    but from now on its a case of wait and see! i think for a 7th Nov start the offers will go out 10th Nov.

    Again, not trying to be pessimistic or anything, just bein realistic but I wouldnt read too much into the fact that there are exams pencilled into the phecc calendar as of course these are very subject to change and really I wouldnt think hold a lot of baring of classes definitely being called forward..

    On a positive note, im glad to hear manorhammiliton have made an indication of a November class goin ahead as they did so as well with October class, and that went ahead.. :)

    Hoping for November myself so would be more than happy for this to be true, but I think my expectations were a little diminished for a while with all this news of , cut backs, budgets, close the country , gud luck lads, ect ect..

    Same as most here I think --> :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    HSE freezes hiring of 1,400 key staff

    The recruitment of up to 1,400 health service posts – including frontline positions previously exempt from the recruitment moratorium – has been put on hold by the Health Service Executive.

    In recent weeks senior management wrote to HSE regional directors stating that a decision had been taken to stall all recruitment due to the scale of the financial challenge facing the organisation.

    The move affects hundreds of social workers, therapists, psychiatric nurses and other grades which until now have been exempt from the Government’s moratorium on recruitment. Latest official figures show that by the end of June the executive was running a deficit of more than €200 million.

    A spokesman for the HSE last night maintained there was no restriction on the appointment of posts that are exempt from the recruitment embargo, such as social workers. He did not comment on the content of the letter.

    The letter, however, makes clear that the recruitment process for up to 1,400 posts has been suspended.

    The confidential circular from senior management, dated July 8th, says the recruitment of 400 posts to be created under the HSE’s service plan and a further 1,000 general service posts in different parts of the country has been put on hold.

    “Given the scale of the financial challenge currently visible, a decision has been taken at national level to stall all current recruitment until such a time as we see payroll reduction realign to budgetary profile,” the letter states.

    “There are always exceptions to this rule and national HR [human resources] is currently developing criteria by which we can manage a number of exemptions to this recruitment pause.”

    The issue of delays to recruitment first came to light after social workers told The Irish Times they had received letters over recent weeks stating that their new positions had been put on hold.

    One letters states: “With reference to your acceptance of your post, I regret to inform you that we have been advised by HSE management that all posts are on hold pending further confirmation . . . We will not be able to agree a start date or issue an employment contract until further clarification is received.”

    These letters come at a time when health authorities and the Government say they are recruiting hundreds of extra social workers to help strengthen child protection services.

    Internal social work files show that social work teams are not responding to hundreds of cases of suspected abuse and neglect.

    Child protection staff in several areas say they are under-resourced and only in a position to respond to the most critical emergencies.

    Meanwhile, the HSE’s performance management report states that pressure on services is continuing. Overall hospital activity is up significantly, while emergency admissions continue to exceed expected levels. The average time for patients who required admission was just over nine hours, with less than half admitted within the six-hour target.

    Hmmmmmmm :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭moose112


    stevie06 wrote: »
    Hmmmmmmm :confused:


    In other words we are F****D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭bono_v


    I knew getting onto the panel was too good to be true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Griffindore


    There are a few ways of looking at the current problem and I choose, for now, to take the optimistic view. The passage above seems to concentrate around social workers, while mentioning front line services, not specific to paramedics. So maybe we're still needed. The payroll expenses for paramedics is through the roof because of the overtime costs. This would be reduced if new recruits come on board and work these hours at the lower wage rate. So we are still needed. The change in A&E depts. may see paramedics actually working there aswell to help with patient treatments. So we are still needed. As A&E depts close to certain emergency calls, the need for more paramedics on the road increases. So we are still needed. Does anyone see my common thread!!? With all the doom and gloom in this country at the moment, lets cling onto a ray of hope that after all our hard work to get this far, that we will be rewarded with a place on the next course.......this year! I'm keeping the fingers crossed and hope someone with some positivity will join in my sentiment. Reality is all well and good when we have the hard facts. Until then, keep positive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 quann900


    So just say that the October class goes ahead, there is no guarantee that there is a job at the end of it. I would be leaving a good job at the moment to go through the training programme and then have hassle getting into fulltime employment at the end of it, possibly only casual employment when needed to cover holidays and sick days??
    Anyone any comment?


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    quann900 wrote: »
    So just say that the October class goes ahead, there is no guarantee that there is a job at the end of it. I would be leaving a good job at the moment to go through the training programme and then have hassle getting into fulltime employment at the end of it, possibly only casual employment when needed to cover holidays and sick days??
    Anyone any comment?

    I would think that it is the HSE's interest to hire you after spending 60k to train you!

    That is of course that you pass the course, do the internship and pass the panel review at the end of your two years. I would imagine that once you do all of the above, they will offer you a job! the conditions of that job are another issue


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Hightower21


    stevie06 wrote: »
    I would think that it is the HSE's interest to hire you after spending 60k to train you!

    That is of course that you pass the course, do the internship and pass the panel review at the end of your two years. I would imagine that once you do all of the above, they will offer you a job! the conditions of that job are another issue

    Part of the existing contract is that we MUST remain with the service for at least two years after qualifing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo


    Hopefully we will get some good news about november class soon! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Chopper999


    Guys try to stay optimistic:p And when you get your 2 years training, look at all the experience you'll have under your belt :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo


    It's hard to stay optimistic reading the papers and watching the news. Every day feels like a decade waiting to hear if we will get our place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    emtmayo wrote: »
    It's hard to stay optimistic reading the papers and watching the news. Every day feels like a decade waiting to hear if we will get our place.

    ya, i know how you feel! every text i got to day i have wondered is it from HR.

    i hope we get some news soon! either a yes or no! but i would like to know whats going on!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Chopper999


    emtmayo wrote: »
    It's hard to stay optimistic reading the papers and watching the news. Every day feels like a decade waiting to hear if we will get our place.

    I know its tough :mad: however looking on the bright side - at least you got on the panel which is a fantastic achievement ;) and everything else will fall into place :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭moose112




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo


    The overtime for paramedics is through the roof. I'm going to be positive from now on and that we are still needed to support the closures of hospital a&e departments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    So latest news.......... Class is due to start on the 1st Nov, but NAS are waiting for the Funds to be released before they send out the offers. Manorhamilton said that the latest for offers for a 1st Nov class is week commencing 22nd of Aug.

    so we wait and see........ :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭adam88


    will the NOV class exhaust the current panel or are they still more waiting to get in???


  • Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭subscriber


    adam88 wrote: »
    will the NOV class exhaust the current panel or are they still more waiting to get in???

    Well I know a fella who is over 100th place on the 2010 panel so.... NO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    Word from the inside that the recruitment will go ahead in November.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chervill


    Does anyone on the october class know what they are doing about accommadation for the first 8 weeks? Or any input about hotels etc in the phoenix park area would be great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Gebbo


    http://www.westcountyhotel.ie/

    http://www.dublintourist.com/details/gate_lodge.shtml

    http://www.travelodge.ie/phoenix-park-hotel

    theres a few places like that! but none are realy cheap for 8 weeks duration. especialy if your staying up on weekends too. A lot of people have either gotten Digs or shared etc,but again it can be difficult to find somewhere for short term.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chervill


    I will be staying 4 or 5 nights per week, i will try those places. Looks like the west county is the nearest one to the college. Thanks for that.
    Gebbo wrote: »
    http://www.westcountyhotel.ie/

    http://www.dublintourist.com/details/gate_lodge.shtml

    http://www.travelodge.ie/phoenix-park-hotel

    theres a few places like that! but none are realy cheap for 8 weeks duration. especialy if your staying up on weekends too. A lot of people have either gotten Digs or shared etc,but again it can be difficult to find somewhere for short term.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo


    BX 19 wrote: »
    Word from the inside that the recruitment will go ahead in November.....


    Where did you hear this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    Chervill wrote: »
    I will be staying 4 or 5 nights per week, i will try those places. Looks like the west county is the nearest one to the college. Thanks for that.

    I'm sure the West County does a deal for NAS staff training in the college. worth giving them a call.

    Cheers
    Steve


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Gebbo


    stevie06 wrote: »
    I'm sure the West County does a deal for NAS staff training in the college. worth giving them a call.

    Cheers
    Steve

    I know when i tried the west county they didnt offer any reductions for ambulance trainees when i asked but its worth a go. Most students used stay there apparantly at one time but for my class that started in march there was no one atall from my class staying there.

    Im renting an appartment in clonsilla which is about a 15min drive each morning, hopfully finishing up here after next week. If anybody wanted to take my room etc. Is there start dates etc for this coming class??


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 Tech Dave


    BX 19 wrote: »
    Word from the inside that the recruitment will go ahead in November.....
    The November training class or a new recruitment competition?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Griffindore


    Spoke to Manorhamilton this morning and was told there is no word of anything happening yet and it is going to be well into September before a decision is made. I had been told previously that they needed to notify us by 22nd August in order to give them enough time to process us through the medicals and reference checks etc. Not sure if they are just pushing us away to give them a bit of breathing space and that we'll hear soon or if it has been put back a month. Anyone know anymore?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    Spoke to Manorhamilton this morning and was told there is no word of anything happening yet and it is going to be well into September before a decision is made. I had been told previously that they needed to notify us by 22nd August in order to give them enough time to process us through the medicals and reference checks etc. Not sure if they are just pushing us away to give them a bit of breathing space and that we'll hear soon or if it has been put back a month. Anyone know anymore?

    they said the 22nd of August to me last week, but if it goes into September i'm screwed, i need 3 months notice at work (of which i'm already over). but i guess that if they send out the offers they can always withdraw them in Sept! :eek:

    its crazy not knowing what is going to happen! :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo


    I wish they just told us one way or another what was going on. Worse case it could be delayed until March next year??? Or is that even too optimistic at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    emtmayo wrote: »
    I wish they just told us one way or another what was going on. Worse case it could be delayed until March next year??? Or is that even too optimistic at this stage.

    TBH, i don't think they know themselves, the HSE is more than broke, the Country is more than broke. the powers that be need to decide if it is worth spending 2.5 million to train and kit out 24 paramedics for November, that decision isn't going to happen overnight, not when politics are involved.

    it would be nice to know, but i'm sure that once they know, we will know asap afterwards. but i would plan for the worst and hope for the best! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 emtmayo




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 Infocrazy


    Hi all.... I am just applying for EMT course at the moment. I know i have a long way to go and I hope your course comes up in November. I am in my mid-thirties....... Is this a crazy move?


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭stevie06


    emtmayo wrote: »

    Very interesting, as i heard from a buddy that Class 7 were not offered contracts when the finished their internships, but union stepped in, i guess that is what they are talking about. and i guess the 25 EMTS are for the PTS service that is rumored for October.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 wanabep


    unfortunately there is no guarantee that octobers class will go ahead as planned, even if offers have been accepted they can still pull the plug, its horrible not knowing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Mossie1m


    Hi there. I think everyone should stop panicking. The notice given to all previous classes was between 6-8 weeks. The recent October class offers were exceptional to this because of august being a holiday month and there is alot of work in preparing for class intakes. There is still plenty of time in sept for offers to be made for nov. Be positive. The NAS is understaffed and the overtime bill has to be reduced. Also with the closures of A&E depts more ambulances have to be put into circulation to transport patients between hospitals. Overtime paid to paramedics versus the cost of standard pay to new recruits doesn't balance the scales for any finance dept. Heads up and be positive!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 CAGM9


    Mossie1m wrote: »
    Hi there. I think everyone should stop panicking. The notice given to all previous classes was between 6-8 weeks. The recent October class offers were exceptional to this because of august being a holiday month and there is alot of work in preparing for class intakes. There is still plenty of time in sept for offers to be made for nov. Be positive. The NAS is understaffed and the overtime bill has to be reduced. Also with the closures of A&E depts more ambulances have to be put into circulation to transport patients between hospitals. Overtime paid to paramedics versus the cost of standard pay to new recruits doesn't balance the scales for any finance dept. Heads up and be positive!!
    N

    spoke to manorhamilton today. Oct might be on hold still as no calls made to referees yet. No change in the current scenario for Nov. The waiting game continues........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭moose112


    CAGM9 wrote: »
    No change in the current scenario for Nov.

    What is the current scenario for November?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 CAGM9


    moose112 wrote: »
    CAGM9 wrote: »
    No change in the current scenario for Nov.

    What is the current scenario for November?
    Still expect to release offers but not being instructed yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭Griffindore


    I wonder is there anything you can take for the agonising wait we're going through. Really wish the Oct class would get their letter and start the ball rolling on the next class for Nov. I know better late than never, but the wait is a killer. Every text comes with the possibility of being the all important one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭bk1991


    when are the hse recruiting again for paramedics ? With the leaveing cert 5 passes are the looking for biology or will any science subject do ?

    Where on publicjobs.ie do i apply for next recruitment cant find any ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 CAGM9


    bk1991 wrote: »
    when are the hse recruiting again for paramedics ? With the leaveing cert 5 passes are the looking for biology or will any science subject do ?

    Where on publicjobs.ie do i apply for next recruitment cant find any ?

    Thats the million euro question!!
    Register for job alerts through publicjobs.ie and ask to be notified in relation to emergency services positions.

    Currently any science subject will do but anything is subject to change with the next competition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chervill


    God the waiting it so hard, I wish we knew at this stage whether we are going to be trained in October or not. So annoying...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 keepitcool


    Keep the heads high,I'm sure it will but even if October class doesnt go ahead hopefully ye'll get the shout early next year for your class to start!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 medic999


    Yes be positive, i think & hope & pray and have all my fingers and toes crossed that october AND november will go ahead,:confused: am i being too optimistic??????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chervill


    References being checked for october class. Got a call today from manor to check if they can go ahead and contact my referees. BUT they are still not sure if class is going ahead or not. I have to give a month's notice in my job so they said we should know for sure next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭bk1991


    CAGM9 wrote: »
    Thats the million euro question!!
    Register for job alerts through publicjobs.ie and ask to be notified in relation to emergency services positions.

    Currently any science subject will do but anything is subject to change with the next competition.

    there is no paramedic choice on public jobs now .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 CAGM9


    bk1991 wrote: »
    CAGM9 wrote: »
    Thats the million euro question!!
    Register for job alerts through publicjobs.ie and ask to be notified in relation to emergency services positions.

    Currently any science subject will do but anything is subject to change with the next competition.

    there is no paramedic choice on public jobs now .
    If you register in the emergency services section they will send alerts when they are recruiting. Thats what they did previously. Stops you missing anything when a job vacancy comes up.

    No alerts at present due to the fact they are not presently recruiting.


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