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FE1 Exam Thread (Mod Warning: NO ADS)

  • 30-08-2007 12:54pm
    #1
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭


    So, I know there is a huge number of people taking the exams this year so I thought it might be an idea to open a thread for any discussion which may arise.

    As for me, my study is pretty much going horrendously badly at the moment. I'm struggling with Tort and Constitutional the most but hopefully I'll get my head around it sooner rather than later. It's straightforward material (allbeit a collosal amount) but some of the questions are very convoluted.

    What's everyone's experience so far?



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  • #2
    Snapper1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Snapper1


    My study could be better but could be worse. I've been going at it pretty consistently over the past month but find myself running out of steam/losing concentration at this stage. But hopefully the scare of time running out will boost the aul adrenalin and get my mind back on track.

    I'm sitting 5: Criminal, Company, Contract, Tort and Equity. The first 3 would be the ones I would hope to get so as not have to re-do them all. The second two don't really sit well with me so it would be a bonus to get them first time round. I'm giving them all equal attention tho, don't agree with paying 100 bills just to sign in and not give it a shot.

    3 weeks to go by my count. It's not a marathon, its a sprint!!!


  • #3
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    I'm finishing full time work on saturday and then off until I'm finished. I'm sitting company, contract, property and equity. I have most of my notes prepared for contract, about a quater for company and nothing for property and equity, but i studied those two this year so they're still pretty fresh. I generally just write out all my notes and cram 'em in before the exams.
    The thing that will ne most inconvenient for me is having to sit them in dublin. I mean its ok if you're from dublin but if not you have to go sort out accomodation, staying with someone or somesuch and it's all a big dirty distraction when all you wanna do is stay focused and not speak to anyone till you get it wrapped up.


  • #4
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    Axel Grumpy Thimble wrote:
    I generally just write out all my notes and cram 'em in before the exams.
    That sounds really familiar. I'm going to try and focus on the exam questions more and more as the exams approach, but until about a week out I dilly dally. Coughboards


  • #5
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Stay positive folks!! It'll be grand, just keep the head down.

    Received a letter today from the law society about the exams etc and was just wondering about the legislation restrictions. First of all it sucks that you have to leave them in two days before hand (as I don't live in Dublin) but it also says you can't have internet printouts! I'm a product of my enviroment, ie we used computers for EVERYTHING in college and I always got my legislation from statuebook.ie but now I suppose I can't. Where do you get this so called original legislation.


  • #6
    ladylorenzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭ladylorenzo


    Axel Grumpy Thimble wrote:
    Stay positive folks!! It'll be grand, just keep the head down.

    Received a letter today from the law society about the exams etc and was just wondering about the legislation restrictions. First of all it sucks that you have to leave them in two days before hand (as I don't live in Dublin) but it also says you can't have internet printouts! I'm a product of my enviroment, ie we used computers for EVERYTHING in college and I always got my legislation from statuebook.ie but now I suppose I can't. Where do you get this so called original legislation.

    Hey Slasher

    You can get all the legislation in the Government Publications Sale Office, Molesworth Street, Dublin. Save yourelf a trip and order them over the phone on 01-6476000.

    I know what you're saying about sitting them when you're not from Dublin. My advice would be to organise a B+B(there's a great one in Sandymount...2 mins walk from the RDS. The Bean an Tí is sound, the house is quiet and you dont have to worry about being sociable-i'll get the contact details if you want..she usually does a single room with a desk for aroun 40 yo-yos)Staying with friends can sometimes be more of a distraction than anything else.

    Good luck with the exams guys. They're tough but they're not impossible so just keep the heads down.
    Ádh mor, LL ;)


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  • #7
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    How much are they charging for the Companies' Acts in there do you know ladylorenzo? I hear it's around €250


  • #8
    ladylorenzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭ladylorenzo


    Yeah, something like that. I didnt get them to be honest. I just learned off whatever sections I needed from my notes. In my experiece, few people that bring in the Companies Acts actually use them due to the time constraints. Everyone's different though but as long as you know the relevant Sections, you should be ok. You dont get marks for reeling off pages from the Acts..use that time to refer to the relevant section and by applying the law to the facts of the case.

    Timing really is the key to the FE1s..answer 5 questions and you are well on your way to passing.;)


  • #9
    Shinners23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Shinners23


    Have 5 of 8. Doing last three this time round - Constitutional, EU and Land... 3rd time doing Consitutional - just can't seem to grasp it. Also Land law - having slight panic attacks over the volume to study for it


  • #10
    Tom Young
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tom Young


    You have to buy the legislation!¬ That's a bit mad.


  • #11
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    I know, the Law Soc don't miss a trick. They won't even let you submit photocopies as someone already eluded to. I think having the legislation is a comforting thing as much as anything else. For example, if you have the CA going into company and a liquidator question comes up re; duties etc. you're fairly sorted. As ladylorenzo said, the pitfall would be that you spend ages fishing through the legislation for some minute detail. Knowledge of the substance is far more important!

    On that note, why can't I keep studying..


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  • #12
    ladylorenzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭ladylorenzo


    Because right now, you'd rather be cleaning the men's toilets in Messr Maguires thatn studying for the FE1s. When I was doing them, my house would have made Hyasinth Bucket's house look like a tip! It's the FE1 effect!!


  • #13
    Tom Young
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tom Young


    I just did the Inns Company paper and drew a blank on most of the legislation required for examinership, was awfully disconcerting. Then I went after Fraudulent Preference .....mare.

    I found mind-mapping, or drawing out the subjects was most useful, particularly on Subjects that develop, such as Constitutional and Company.

    Best of luck with them. I am sure all will be fine.


  • #14
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    Tom Young wrote:
    I found mind-mapping, or drawing out the subjects was most useful, particularly on Subjects that develop, such as Constitutional and Company.
    I've never actually tried that but I'd say it could be a good strategy for plotting things like director's duties etc. I'll give it a whirl. And even if it doesn't work, I'll make sure it looks nice with colour and highlighter.


  • #15
    Tom Young
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tom Young


    Yeah, see that's it, and if you engage both sides of the brain you tend to remember stuff. Use a different colour for a different strand of a subject. Works a treat. ;)


  • #16
    Riverfarset
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭Riverfarset


    Do you have to pass these exams even if you have a law degree? If so what's the point in even doing a law degree? pardon my ignorance on this matter p.s Good luck to all those sitting the exams.


  • #17
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    Riverfarset wrote:
    Do you have to pass these exams even if you have a law degree? If so what's the point in even doing a law degree? pardon my ignorance on this matter p.s Good luck to all those sitting the exams.

    yes! awful isn't it? doing a law degree is still a good idea though, a lot of the stuff you do in college is covered in the FE1 course so it makes studying a little easier.

    Just wondering if anyone else noticed the change in the timetable in the pack the law society sent us? Criminal and EU law have switched places! It's grand for me but I dont think everyone will be pleased. Very sneaky too because they didnt mention the change in the pack at all. I only realised when a friend told me. I wonder if its just a printing error by the Law Society or a genuine change??? HMMMMMMMM


  • #18
    Shinners23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Shinners23


    Font 22,

    When is EU now?


  • #19
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    I just went on to the Law Society website and this is the timetable thats up at the mo! Hope it doesn't mess things up for you!!


    Monday 24 September Tort
    Wednesday 26 September Company Law
    Friday 28 September Constitutional Law
    Monday 01 October Equity
    Wednesday 03 October Criminal Law
    Friday 05 October EU Law
    Monday 08 October Contract
    Wednesday 10 October Property


  • #20
    Shinners23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Shinners23


    Font22 wrote:
    I just went on to the Law Society website and this is the timetable thats up at the mo! Hope it doesn't mess things up for you!!


    Monday 24 September Tort
    Wednesday 26 September Company Law
    Friday 28 September Constitutional Law
    Monday 01 October Equity
    Wednesday 03 October Criminal Law
    Friday 05 October EU Law
    Monday 08 October Contract
    Wednesday 10 October Property


    Ah mine are well spaced as I'm doing Consitutional, EU, Land. Still a in a panic over them - Awhhh


  • #21
    jackelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭jackelle


    just to let non-dubliners know, you can sit the exams at the neptune basketball stadium in cork only about 400 were there in october.

    the legislation is definitely useful to bring in for company, i answered one full question and 1/2 a question from leg last time and that definitely helped me with the pass.

    doing constit, tort, contract and eu. bit worried about constit as heard there was a huge failure rate last time around.
    also does anyone know with eu, do you have to know the citation as in c/176 for cases like Commission v UK?

    best of luck to everyone!


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  • #22
    jackelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭jackelle


    also i have past answers that were corrected by Griffith - crim, prop, equity and company that I did for the last sitting in March and consit, tort, eu and contract for this session.

    if anyone is interested in swapping let me know


  • #23
    Wolff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Wolff


    Hello
    using my husbands login here!
    Just wondering if there are many people here who are doing the FE1 exams and have no prior law qualification. I would really like to do these exams but my degree is in sociology, though I did do the company and business law exams with the accounting technicians of ireland course. I'm just wondering is it really hard to get a contract after all that studying if you don't have a law qualification, I know you don't need a law degree as such to sit the fe1's but in reality is it still possible to get that all important contract? also i am a mature student (36 yrs old) does any one ever hear of mature students with a non-law degree being able to get a contract? These exams sound pretty tough, and I'd hate to put in all that work and then not be able to get an apprenticeship! if anyone has any advice on these issues I would be very grateful,

    cheers


  • #24
    Duffman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Duffman


    Wolff wrote:
    Hello
    using my husbands login here!
    Just wondering if there are many people here who are doing the FE1 exams and have no prior law qualification. I would really like to do these exams but my degree is in sociology, though I did do the company and business law exams with the accounting technicians of ireland course. I'm just wondering is it really hard to get a contract after all that studying if you don't have a law qualification, I know you don't need a law degree as such to sit the fe1's but in reality is it still possible to get that all important contract? also i am a mature student (36 yrs old) does any one ever hear of mature students with a non-law degree being able to get a contract? These exams sound pretty tough, and I'd hate to put in all that work and then not be able to get an apprenticeship! if anyone has any advice on these issues I would be very grateful,

    cheers

    People from non-law backgrounds of all ages get training contracts all the time although I wouldn't go as far as to say it's the norm in Ireland.

    Go for it.


  • #25
    Snapper1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Snapper1


    folks,

    I just received my rules and regulations in the post today and noticed "no food or drinks may be brought into the examination hall" !!

    Was just wondering are they strict in enforcing this? seems a bit harsh to not allow a sip of water now and again through a 3 hour scribble-fest!


  • #26
    jackelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭jackelle


    i did mine in cork, but i had water, coffee, and sweets, as did many others and not a word was said


  • #27
    tombren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭tombren


    Snapper1 wrote:
    folks,

    I just received my rules and regulations in the post today and noticed "no food or drinks may be brought into the examination hall" !!

    Was just wondering are they strict in enforcing this? seems a bit harsh to not allow a sip of water now and again through a 3 hour scribble-fest!

    unless they've changed the rules since the last sitting, u can bring in drinks etc, many people bring in chocolate for a sugar rush to keep them going,
    i just cant spare the time to open the wrapper once the exam starts :)


  • #28
    Hatcher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭Hatcher


    Just wondering if anyone has heard any of the Griffith predictions. Are they reliable?


  • #29
    Shinners23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭Shinners23


    Oh yes the predictions, anyone heard any for EU, Constitutional or Land? Need every bit of help I can get Awhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:eek:


  • #30
    jackelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭jackelle


    http://groups.google.com/group/FE-1-Study-Group/browse_thread/thread/ada4432f580d8579

    they've changed the timetable, again....back to the original one, apparently they're deigning to send out a letter sometime in the future about, it hopefully before sept 24th


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  • #31
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    Tell me I'm not the only one flat out failing to study. I just can't do it!


  • #32
    clally
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭clally


    Hi all,

    I'm planning to sit FE1s for the first time in march/april 08, doing four then and four at the next sitting (all going well).

    I have a law degree and i know which subjects i found easier and preferred, however that aside i just wondered would anyone have any advice on how to divvy up the eight subjects? i.e., would there be two subjects that you would be mad to do together!? Likewise would it make sense to do certain ones together?

    Any advice appreciated,
    Good luck to everyone sitting them
    Clally


  • #33
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    I think it might be a good idea to do equity along with land and contract. there is some overlap there. I'm planning on sitting 6 in two weeks and have left company and eu for the next sitting. I decided to do it that way because i've heard the two of them are notoriously hard and decided i wanted to devote as much time as possible to them. It all depends on what you like though. I hated company and eu in college. Hope all goes well for u!


  • #34
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Snapper1 wrote:
    folks,

    I just received my rules and regulations in the post today and noticed "no food or drinks may be brought into the examination hall" !!

    Was just wondering are they strict in enforcing this? seems a bit harsh to not allow a sip of water now and again through a 3 hour scribble-fest!

    Thats the rule, its to stop people taking liberties, and to afford the authorities some discretion, but by all means bring a drink. Just don't bring a bag of unopenable marshmallows!!!:eek:

    I used to supervise at the UCD exams, and I had this one kid with a tin of Bavaria. He tried the old "The rules don't say anything" routine. He was soused and looked a bit silly. Poor bastard.


  • #35
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    IT Loser wrote:
    Thats the rule, its to stop people taking liberties, and to afford the authorities some discretion, but by all means bring a drink. Just don't bring a bag of unopenable marshmallows!!!:eek:

    I used to supervise at the UCD exams, and I had this one kid with a tin of Bavaria. He tried the old "The rules don't say anything" routine. He was soused and looked a bit silly. Poor bastard.

    haha thats so funny. i wouldnt mind bringing in a few vodka shots to lighten the mood!


  • #36
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Font22 wrote:
    haha thats so funny. i wouldnt mind bringing in a few vodka shots to lighten the mood!


    Lighten your head is all they'll do!!! Better to wait till November when the results come out, what-what??:cool: :cool:

    Best of luck anyways!!!!

    {with the exams that is, not your imbibing while scribing plans}


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  • #37
    Liawyer
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Liawyer


    Hi,

    Only a couple more weeks to go to the exams:eek:

    I've left things a bit late for EU I think so am desperately trying to cut out the least likely areas (a risky strategy I know).

    I've covered institutions, sources of eu law, preliminary reference (Art 234 etc) and would like any tips on what other essential areas have a good chance of coming up. I have to face the fact that I don't have the time to cover everything.

    So, can anyone advise on what key areas I should concentrate on and what I could possibly cut out altogether.

    I know, I know it could blow up in my face but I have to be realistic. Thanks in advance:cool:


  • #38
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    It could be an idea to ask over at the Google FE1 study group;
    http://groups.google.ie/group/FE-1-Study-Group?lnk=gschg&hl=en


  • #39
    hada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭hada


    quick question guys.. how long on average does one leave to study for the blackhalls?? If i were to sit 4 at a time that is?


  • #40
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    i normally start studying for exams 6 weeks ahead i.e. making notes etc but real study is always done in the last few days coming up to the exams. thats when i turn into a demon too so this week should be great fun for my family and friends!


  • #41
    daiixi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,347 ✭✭✭daiixi


    It's all good though, you'll then get to be a lawyer and (depending on what you qualify into) have no time for family and friends!


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  • #42
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    daiixi wrote:
    It's all good though, you'll then get to be a lawyer and (depending on what you qualify into) have no time for family and friends!

    LOL let's hope not! it's all about time management!


  • #43
    hada
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭hada


    fantastic, fun times ahead! was planning on dealing with the first four blackhalls in october of next year, basically after doing my finals in May. Was thinking on just getting them out of the way next year... So I am right in saying that most people work through the year they are studying for the blackhalls and then take time off to do the "real" study a few weeks before the sit them??


  • #44
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    i finished my finals in may, worked and went to lectures in griffith during the summer and then started studying a few weeks ago. no bother to u!!


  • #45
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    do you know what i would love? if you could take some acts into the criminal exam. learning section numbers is so difficult.


  • #46
    Tom Young
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tom Young


    Its actually not too bad. You'll find that most are simply relayed in Criminal. NOAPA is the biggest challenge to map the mens rea and actus reus to the section and discription. Rest are fairly ok

    I shoved them into an excel sheet, worked well.

    There is no substitute to learning them off. Particularly property and public order offences.

    Note that the amendments to the 2006 and 2007 Sexual Offences modify the law slightly in respect of certain previous acts.


  • #47
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    the actual law is grand, its literally just the numbers of the sections that are killing me. i suppose i'll have to revert back to my leaving cert learning off mania status.


  • #48
    Tom Young
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tom Young


    pm me.


  • #49
    jackelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭jackelle


    not really, you have to know the necessary proofs of each section but it's a short course. Criminal is probably the easiest of the 8 and has the highest pass rate so it's very doable.


  • #50
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Hi all
    Hope the study is going well, I nearly have all my written work done barr equity, just wondering if anyone has any tips?
    They'd be a great help!


  • #51
    Font22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Font22


    only one left!!! thank god!!


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