Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI

  • 19-04-2011 11:04am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭


    In the news today. "Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI" The average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?


«13456715

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    If I was taking home anywhere near that I wouldn't be complaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    IThe average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?
    No..
    Most people on boards at this time of day are either unemployed and earning no money, or in IT and are too busy reading everyone else's email to care how much they are paid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    That means they should be more open to bribes if you're caught speeding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    The only way a member of AGS could be struggling to pay bills is if they've a huge mortgage AND other property investments that have gone south.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    join the club...


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    What are bills exactly? There was a woman on RTE News last week complaining that she couldn't afford the essentials in life anymore, such as er, her son's swimming lessons. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    In the news today. "Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI" The average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?
    I doubt they 'take home' this amount. Do you mean that this is the average gross salary?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    They might have buy to let properties and struggling to get tenants.
    There would be quite a few gardai who are landlords


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    dvpower wrote: »
    I doubt they 'take home' this amount. Do you mean that this is the average gross salary?

    http://cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

    In 2008 their average pay (gross I assume) was €1,076.68 pw excl overtime so ~ €56k per annum gross.


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 lizlemon


    I think the issue might be that over the years there was an over reliance on really high OT rates to bulk up their basic pay. Many began to think of this as their basic pay and were given loans and mortgages on the basis of this income.
    My understanding is that in recent months/years the OT pay has been replaced with TIL so that's where a lot are feeling the pinch..

    I have to admit I have very little sympathy..


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    They might have buy to let properties and struggling to get tenants.
    There would be quite a few gardai who are landlords
    My heart bleeds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,503 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    40k? *Runs to join the Gardai*


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They shouldn't be complaining... If the private sector works with incomes in the 20's could come together, it'd be in the news. But over 40k? Fuk off.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Heard this in the news this morning...

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0419/agsi_garda.html
    The Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors says 120 gardaí could not pay their bills this year.

    General Secretary Joe Dirwan says some AGSI members are facing the worst hardship he has seen in the past 30 years.

    However, the Association is expected to reject a motion at its Annual Conference in Limerick today seeking to have the prohibition on gardaí taking up certain part-time jobs removed.

    The AGSI says it accepts that the financial crisis is affecting everyone, but it says following a 20% cut in their pay, its members cannot afford any more.

    It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.

    The Association says some of these gardaí did not have enough money that month to pay all their bills, which is particularly serious for people who often have to prosecute others for not paying theirs.

    Some gardaí wanted to be allowed take up part-time jobs to earn extra money but that motion is unlikely to pass or even be heard. The National Executive is opposed to it and feel it could cause difficulties for individual gardaí in communities and result in an increase in complaints to the Ombudsman Commission.

    That's pretty shocking tbf...

    EDIT: Actually the impression I had gotten from the news that there was no money left to pay them, not that they had no money themselves after paying their own bills. In that case, join the club!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    So they are living beyond their means.... ask for more tax payers cash to furnish their stupid debts?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

    A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    This comes up every single year at the Garda conferences..even during the boom. They are one of the highest paid police forces on the planet.
    Anyone remember the 'union' billboarding the place with face photos of garda with bruises in order to either get higher pay or less cuts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    I heard Sean Quinn can't pay his bills either, boo hoo.

    When I think of Gardai, I think of landlords, some of the worsrt landlords you could ever have. I wonder how many of these 100+ Gardai are landlords?

    Saying they can't pay bills evokes images of gas or electricity bills, in reality, it is probably a good percentage of landlords who own rented property in horrific conditions and can't get tenants anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Heard this in the news this morning...

    It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.



    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0419/agsi_garda.html



    That's pretty shocking tbf...

    So 120 gardaí out of a force of some 13 000 didn't have any money to pay their bills in January. That's less than 1% of the entire force. So 99% of the force are getting along ok, with enough money to pay their bills- and yet we're s'posed to rush in with the sympathy (and, higher wages) for the tiny proportion who are fiscally irresponsible? Perhaps some trainign in financial management might be a good investment...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

    A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them

    If thats the rule then I dont see an issue. It's like the thing of pople gettign their driving licence back early or avoidign a ban because they "need to drive for work" . If thats the case then they should be much more fussy about doing things that could get them banned, not be so laissez faire about their actions then look for the rules to be relaxed for them.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

    A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them

    There's something similar for bank workers.
    I've heard that management in the banks have been giving out to junior staff who are having difficulty paying their mortgages, threatening that the may face dismissal if they don't get their finances in order.

    Its a topsy turvy world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Piles of confiscated drugs lying around in the staion. Short of cash. Head shops closed.

    Think outside the box, blue chaps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    AGSI wrote:
    It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.

    By that measure, I haven't got anything in my pay cheques for my entire career because I've spent it all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    RTE wrote:
    Some gardaí wanted to be allowed take up part-time jobs to earn extra money but that motion is unlikely to pass or even be heard.

    Well tbh, I don't think the association have any right to complain when they themselves disallow its members to take up part time jobs elsewhere. That's what everyone else needs to do when they are in financial difficulties.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    snubbleste wrote: »
    This comes up every single year at the Garda conferences..even during the boom. They are one of the highest paid police forces on the planet.
    Anyone remember the 'union' billboarding the place with face photos of garda with bruises in order to either get higher pay or less cuts?

    What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭talla10


    Well tbh, I don't think the association have any right to complain when they themselves disallow its members to take up part time jobs elsewhere. That's what everyone else needs to do when they are in financial difficulties.

    The comissioner last year rejected plea's from the GRA to scrap what they call 'prohibited spare time activities' which bans them from taking up second jobs. Its an old rule since 1922 and Gardai have asked numerous times for them to be allowed to take up second jobs if they are going to get pay cuts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force except the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

    Wow, a bit sensitive ain't ya. When a Garda Union goes to the media and highlights these issues, they are part of the public domain and will get debated. Do you not understand that? They INVITED the debate, they sought the debate so cop on! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭EL_Loco


    I think the main points are:

    they get paid well above the average wage
    only a small percentage are in trouble
    it appears to be a bit of hype to maybe get a pay rise for the the whole force.

    thus far the quality of the work carried out hasn't come into question, so I don't know why it should. They get well paid, if they've fooked it up it's their own personal responsibility.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

    Posted by Bosco boy, yep that's actually the son of Bosco from RTE.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ceekay74


    Awww! Only €40,000....


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 lizlemon


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world

    Based on what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Again, another 'cry for help' from 'penniless public sector workers' who are 'broke' after paying 'bills'. And again it is not highlighted in the media what those bills are, we know well its the jumbo mortgages they took out.

    Same with the teachers, nurses and civil servants, you get paid quite well in this country. What you do with your take home pay has nothing to do how well paid you are. If you decide to take out a loan on a ferrari, it's not your employers(govt elected by the population) fault that you can no longer to afford that lifestyle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    dvpower wrote: »
    By that measure, I haven't got anything in my pay cheques for my entire career because I've spent it all.

    I want a second cheque that I can't squander. I want the cheque deposited into a squander proof account where it can....emmm... stay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    They left out the bit where the nurses they are married to pay for the luxuries.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mikom wrote: »
    Posted by Bosco boy, yep that's actually the son of Bosco from RTE.

    1st prize to mikom aged 4


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    They ought to keep their mouths shut. Particularly about bankers' bonuses. It's not their place to say anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    talla10 wrote: »
    The comissioner last year rejected plea's from the GRA to scrap what they call 'prohibited spare time activities' which bans them from taking up second jobs. Its an old rule since 1922 and Gardai have asked numerous times for them to be allowed to take up second jobs if they are going to get pay cuts.

    That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?

    AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?

    AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.

    it opens the door to massive corruption and conflict of interest if Gardai are working other jobs...

    they would be duty bound to report anything their employer does that's not 100% legit no matter how small and if they didn't what makes you think they'd do being a garda any better?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?
    AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.

    A person lives within their means.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    [IFearBeingRapedandDeported]

    I'm not saying anything on this...

    [/EndIfearBeingRapedandDeported]


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    the gardai in this country provide a valuable service.

    Yes - they are under-resourced and possibly badly managed.

    No - they do not deserve a pay rise - in order to help out less than 1% of the workforce.

    I would much rather help given to those struggling to make ends meet instead of a blank cheque given to the AGSI - wont there be loads of overtime when Barrack Obama and "the Queen" make their respective visits.

    approx 1% of the workforce having difficulties ... that's a lot lower than other sectors of society - the gardai should look at helping their members who are struggling instead of looking out for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    1st prize to mikom aged 4

    Attack the post not the poster.
    It's the law.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    KerranJast wrote: »
    http://cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

    In 2008 their average pay (gross I assume) was €1,076.68 pw excl overtime so ~ €56k per annum gross.
    That is fcukin ridiculous.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    They ought to keep their mouths shut. Particularly about bankers' bonuses. It's not their place to say anything.

    I guess they shouldn't be allowed say anything about the private sector who got us into this mess!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mikom wrote: »
    Attack the post not the poster.
    It's the law.

    Sorry, aged 5


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Those 120 Gardai unable to pay their mortgages should go to MABS like everyone else in a similar situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Maybe they should top up their earnings with bribes like they do in other poverty stricken countries:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

    Ummm, everyone is faceless on boards. Including yourself. Unless you actually are Clancy Wiggum. Which, going by your posts, isn't beyond the realm of possibility...

    The AGSI brought this up. They made a big deal about a tiny proportion of their membership having difficulties with their bills, and somehow the rest of us aren't allowed to debate it? We just have to go along with whatever the AGSI say and demand??
    Bosco boy wrote: »
    I guess they shouldn't be allowed say anything about the private sector who got us into this mess!

    Course they should. And people are. The difference is, that he private sector don't demand that they be cossested from criticism, and don't respond in such an outraged manner when they are criticised.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Maybe they should top up their earnings with bribes like they do in other poverty stricken countries:D

    That's exactly what will happen!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Einhard wrote: »
    Ummm, everyone is faceless on boards. Including yourself. Unless you actually are Clancy Wiggum. Which, going by your posts, isn't beyond the realm of possibility...

    The AGSI brought this up. They made a big deal about a tiny proportion of their membership having difficulties with their bills, and somehow the rest of us aren't allowed to debate it? We just have to go along with whatever the AGSI say and demand??



    Course they should. And people are. The difference is, that he private sector don't demand that they be cossested from criticism, and don't respond in such an outraged manner when they are criticised.

    Can we agree to disagree?


  • Advertisement
Advertisement