Boards.ie Factions Server 1.3

Botulism wrote: »

Can you tell me the people who switch back and forth? I've been neutral since day one and always will be, so why should I have to suffer because of others?
Maybe add in so that once you become neutral, you can't switch back? But I've yet to see someone go neutral then fight again.
Oh, and for the record up until last week there were only 3 neutral players in total. Complain about someone else ruining the server, it isn't the people who've always been neutral.

And as for the safe zone, why should we be limited to where we can go on the map? If this was imposed on any other faction (telling them they can't explore and have to live in a certain place), there would be a massive outrage. I say get rid of the people who've just become neutral if you're really all that concerned about people wanting to switch.


Of course it should! When a world war happens, you don't see every country in the world taking a side.
Furthermore, this server has been a survival server for almost 2 years, where everyone was neutral. It's been factions for less than a month, it's still more a survival server than it is a factions one.

No one has a problem with neutrals, It is the system that is flawed.

People want to build things without having them disappear overnight. Currently we can not without being neutral. This is the problem. It can be fixed by having a large safe zone in which pvp is disabled.

Completionist wrote: »

But what if for example I want to just build something pretty for a few hours? I could leave faction, Then rejoin later but that is a very clunky approach to the issue. I honestly don't see a problem with people storing their valuables in this area, As long as the faction does not consider the area home then most of the important stuff will be with them.

They will obviously need to keep some valuables with them(Armour, Weapons, Tools etc) as otherwise they would need to return to the safe zone anytime they need something which is not exactly practical. Think of it as a back up plan. If a faction gets completely destroyed then they could have some spare resources in the safe zone and could be back in business in a matter of minutes!

Well, we would could make it that once a faction is neutral or not, they can't change. The only way you can change is if you make a new faction completely. We can also make it that switching factions or making another one costs a fair amount (£1500 lets say) to stop people switching back and forth. At the start of the server everyone can have 200-250 to start up their initial faction with 4-5 friends.

Also, if people store stuff in the safe zone, why build a base? Collect stuff, store in safe zone so no one can get it, then raid people without fear of you being raided. So i think ban enderchests and make it so only neutral factions can store in non PvP zone.

Completionist wrote: »

I just find that TNT causes more problems that it fixes.

With TNT you either build a TNT proof base or you go neutral, Any other strategy means you lose. With TNT no matter how tall your walls are you just smash a hole in them with a single block of tnt and you are inside. See? This is not very fun. Would you not rather scale the walls with ladders/Enderpearls while attempting not to be seen, Sneaking into the heart of the enemies stronghold while evading traps and then slaughtering everyone?

However, If TNT will be allowed then a fair usage policy must be applied so certain people can not go overboard with the destruction....

Build a roof or a "lip" and ladders/enderpearls are useless. Yes TNT can blow through walls no matter how high, but as I said, then all you can do is think of new ways to make it harder. All I'm saying is we don't need to build bunkers to prevent TNT attack.

As I said before, if we can somehow make water/lava havee no effect on TNT damage, then cannons would be even more "one time use" as they would blow up when used once.

We could also, if possible, make it that only so much TNT damage can be done by a faction per day. Maybe lets say 14 TNT? That's like 12 for the launch and 2 for damage.

Xenon560 wrote: »

As I said before, if we can somehow make water/lava havee no effect on TNT damage

That would render tnt/sand cannons unusable.

niallmcs wrote: »

That would render tnt/sand cannons unusable.

Would it? Surely it would still work, but would just blow up the cannon too in the process, meaning you had to rebuild it each time.

Botulism wrote: »

A peaceful faction has PVP disabled in it's territory.

Maybe you have misunderstood me.

I am talking about the non neutral factions, If I want to just chill and build for a few hours without the risk of dying then I should be able to without having to leave my faction and join another. Or If I just want to hang our with the other players on the server without fearing they try and kill me I also should be able to.

This has nothing to do with the current neutrals, Nothing will change other than that within a certain distance from spawn everyone is considered a neutral.

How is this a bad thing? Some people will not be in the mood for pvp, Or will want a taste of what it is like so they will venture out into the wilderness or return to spawn, It creates options rather than barriers and allows for a more fluid experience.

Completionist wrote: »

Maybe you have misunderstood me.

I am talking about the non neutral factions, If I want to just chill and build for a few hours without the risk of dying then I should be able to without having to leave my faction and join another. Or If I just want to hang our with the other players on the server without fearing they try and kill me I also should be able to.

This has nothing to do with the current neutrals, Nothing will change other than that within a certain distance from spawn everyone is considered a neutral.

How is this a bad thing? Some people will not be in the mood for pvp, Or will want a taste of what it is like so they will venture out into the wilderness or return to spawn, It creates options rather than barriers and allows for a more fluid experience.

Don't understand the issue. Don't make a new faction, just pop-off to the neutral zone and build and hang out with others.

Rather than just arguing did it ever occur to anyone to suggest that one of the mods goes to play on another faction server?

They can then see how that server runs the show and maybe add features they like to this server.

tiptopgolfy wrote: »

Rather than just arguing did it ever occur to anyone to suggest that one of the mods goes to play on another faction server?

They can then see how that server runs the show and maybe add features they like to this server.

Im actually trying out the one cid and niall are on

Somebody on the server suggested we all go on teamspeak and sort this out once and for all rather that spamming this forum with stupid arguments!

Farcheal wrote: »

Oh... I'm sorry for using a discussion forum... to discuss something.

Farcheal lets not kid ourselves this is blabber of the highest order rather than a discussion!

Could we install this plugin:
http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/edit-misc-tp-fun-multiverse-2-3-world-management-bukkitdev.3707/

That way we could have one world for factions and one for creations!

Diplomatic tensions are rising inside AWEs base thanks to me!

Xenon560 wrote: »

I might actually give it a go. Need ideas first

I've been trying but I lack any artistic ability:P

The initial idea before the server went live was we would have a large main land surrounded by smaller islands.

Spawn would be on one of the islands
Each faction would have a base an island.
Factions would eventually need to move out into the mainland to gather resources.

The spawn island would need to contain a flat area to hold spawn town.

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From using the tool I noticed you can change the frequency that you find diamond, I would suggest changing it to a much lower value. Diamond should be something worth fighting over(The mainland) rather than being able sustain yourself for a lifetime on the islands.

Xenon560 wrote: »

Yeah, I'll try make it so that there are few resources on the islands.
Maybe even no diamond?

What about resources on non PvP island?

Hmm.

It depends on how big the island is.

If it is big enough to hold the non pvp factions and also hold a large spawn town then I would suggestion either go with the normal rate of resources or with enough support from the non pvp community lower the rates to allow for a more interesting experience.

If the rates were higher and only neutrals could mine in the area(Is it possible to set it so non neutrals could not mine but still build/landscape in spawn?) then neutral run shops could have an advantage when selling material which would be interesting...

Xenon560 wrote: »

Hmm, that would be good, I'm sure it would be possible
World dimensions? I was thinking about 3,800x3,800

Also, can you change spawn point once ingame, coz you cant chose where it is in this

yes you can change spawns, and 5000x5000 is what we have now, and some people think that's small, so maybe stick with it or go higher, not lower!

How about a limited number of factions in game? This would prevent having a load of tiny factions/Ensures factions stay alive and would also mean a faction gets an island each.

I would suggest 8 islands if possible within your design Xenon.

If we still enforce the 5 member limit and have some of the 1 man factions merge then we are beyond 5 faction island.

Edit: Set Spawn is under the Height button.

It's not official, but it's fun making the map anyway.

So, thoughts?