Guns N' Roses Discussion Thread

Lithium93_ · 27-06-2014 1:15pm

For all we know, maybe Axl had it redone during his hiatuses, wasn't it/or is it a demo track that was rushed in to be included in End Of Days

Lithium93_ · 27-06-2014 5:55pm

I seriously wonder how Axl's hired hands can keep wheeling out the same tired lines about new music every time said question comes up in an interview.

"That's the plan, although we haven't really discussed it for a while. There's a lot of stuff people need to hear that's ready to come out. It's gonna happen, I just don't have an actual date for you yet. My fingers are crossed, but they're getting a little bit looser. I think it'll be happening soon."

You wouldn't see any other band in rock/metal starve their fans of new music.

Pawwed Rig · 27-06-2014 6:05pm

I get the feeling that Dizzy has lasted as long as he has by being Axl's Yes Man. He will never say anything concrete or controversial for fear of ripping up his meal ticket.

Lithium93_ · 27-06-2014 6:12pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I get the feeling that Dizzy has lasted as long as he has by being Axl's Yes Man. He will never say anything concrete or controversial for fear of ripping up his meal ticket.

I can only imagine the story's Dizzy has gathered since the original GN'R imploded, Axl's hired hands must really value their paycheck then - which leads me to thinking surely they would be placed on retainers while GN'R are inactive.

Pawwed Rig · 27-06-2014 6:19pm

Dizzy was always a little soft and fluffy for my liking and didn't have the hard edge that the other members had (in early 90's). He is probably the only one (along with Matt Sorum) that could tell a good story through relatively sober eyes though.

I would say the current members are more like employees than an actual band receiving set fees etc. Axl surely takes the lions share of any income.

Lithium93_ · 27-06-2014 6:39pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Dizzy was always a little soft and fluffy for my liking and didn't have the hard edge that the other members had (in early 90's). He is probably the only one (along with Matt Sorum) that could tell a good story through relatively sober eyes though.

I would say the current members are more like employees than an actual band receiving set fees etc. Axl surely takes the lions share of any income.

Now those are 2 books i'd be interested in reading, would royalties from the classic songs & the songs written by the revamped GN'R post original lineup also be taken into account when Axl pays his employees?

Itssoeasy · 30-06-2014 12:52am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I seriously wonder how Axl's hired hands can keep wheeling out the same tired lines about new music every time said question comes up in an interview.

You wouldn't see any other band in rock/metal starve their fans of new music.

So that's a maybe then about new stuff being released ? I used to check daily about gnr stuff but I can't remember the last time I even listened to any of the songs it's been that long.

Itssoeasy · 30-06-2014 10:44pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Now those are 2 books i'd be interested in reading, would royalties from the classic songs & the songs written by the revamped GN'R post original lineup also be taken into account when Axl pays his employees?

Dizzys book might be interesting for the post classic line up break up I suppose. Wouldn't read a book by matt if it came out.

Lithium93_ · 01-07-2014 12:33am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Dizzys book might be interesting for the post classic line up break up I suppose. Wouldn't read a book by matt if it came out.

I wonder, If Dizzy ever did release an autobiography, would Axl let him talk openly about the hiatuses & delays in making Chinese Democracy and all the other **** that started to surface during the classic line up's implosion

Itssoeasy · 01-07-2014 8:06pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I wonder, If Dizzy ever did release an autobiography, would Axl let him talk openly about the hiatuses & delays in making Chinese Democracy and all the other **** that started to surface during the classic line up's implosion

Could Axl actually stop him ?

Lithium93_ · 02-07-2014 6:37pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Could Axl actually stop him ?

I'm sure Axl could stop Dizzy from disclosing such information through legal means.

gnfnrhead · 02-07-2014 11:42pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Could Axl actually stop him ?

Not really, assuming Dizzy was no longer a part of the band. Anything negative he would need proof of or else he could wind up in court so it's unlikely to happen.

Lithium93_ · 02-07-2014 11:45pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Not really, assuming Dizzy was no longer a part of the band. Anything negative he would need proof of or else he could wind up in court so it's unlikely to happen.

And Axl has a certain fondness, for lack of a better word for launching legal action.

Itssoeasy · 02-07-2014 11:54pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Not really, assuming Dizzy was no longer a part of the band. Anything negative he would need proof of or else he could wind up in court so it's unlikely to happen.

Well he hasn't stopped slash,duff and steven releasing their books and if he wasn't happy I'm sure he has the means to lauch a legal battle about stuff he felt was untrue in the books.

The only way for Axl to have his final say is to release a autobiography. His silence for years while his ex band mates and others were ****ting all over him helped those perceptions of him become reality due Axl saying nothing.

Lithium93_ · 02-07-2014 11:59pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well he hasn't stopped slash,duff and steven releasing their books and if he wasn't happy I'm sure he has the means to lauch a legal battle about stuff he felt was untrue in the books.

The only way for Axl to have his final say is to release a autobiography. His silence for years while his ex band mates and others were ****ting all over him helped those perceptions of him become reality due Axl saying nothing.

Not in this lifetime, Slash and Duff only touched on Axl a bit, they didn't go deep into detail about him, not sure what Steven said about Axl in his book though.

Itssoeasy · 03-07-2014 12:02am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Not in this lifetime, Slash and Duff only touched on Axl a bit, they didn't go deep into detail about him, not sure what Steven said about Axl in his book though.

I think steven went a bit further but he didn't go overboard I don't think. I'd have to read it again in fairness. Stevens book isn't a very happy book.

Lithium93_ · 03-07-2014 12:05am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think steven went a bit further but he didn't go overboard I don't think. I'd have to read it again in fairness. Stevens book isn't a very happy book.

Well given how Steven was booted out the band (Though his own fault he got booted out), if i were a betting man, i'd be almost certain that he still holds that grudge all these years later.

Itssoeasy · 03-07-2014 12:19am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Well given how Steven was booted out the band (Though his own fault he got booted out), if i were a betting man, i'd be almost certain that he still holds that grudge all these years later.

Yeah but the unfortunate thing about steven being kicked out(and rightly so) of the band, is we got matt sorum who while a excellent drummer just comes across as a dickhead. The vh1 documentary about VR finding a singer doesn't help me impression of him. Duff has a go at him during that doc as he is just so negative.

Lithium93_ · 03-07-2014 12:23am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah but the unfortunate thing about steven being kicked out(and rightly so) of the band, is we got matt sorum who while a excellent drummer just comes across as a dickhead. The vh1 documentary about VR finding a singer doesn't help me impression of him. Duff has a go at him during that doc as he is just so negative.

I wonder how different the Illusions albums would've sounded had GN'R found someone else to drum for them....... Matt Sorum does come across as a bit of a bellend.

Itssoeasy · 03-07-2014 12:25am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I wonder how different the Illusions albums would've sounded had GN'R found someone else to drum for them....... Matt Sorum does come across as a bit of a bellend.

That being said though Stevens drumming sound suited the appetite sound perfectly but could he have pulled off the illusion songs ? Maybe but as you say it would have sounded very different.

Lithium93_ · 03-07-2014 12:29am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That being said though Stevens drumming sound suited the appetite sound perfectly but could he have pulled off the illusion songs ? Maybe but as you say it would have sounded very different.

No-one can deny that Steven's drumming on Appetite is spot on, the drums had a certain pull to them, whereas on the Illusions albums, Matt's drumming sounds really robotic though not his fault, those songs were written or at some stage of completion before he joined.

gnfnrhead · 03-07-2014 1:38am

Nothing kills the mood at a concert more than a 20 minute drum solo from Matt Sorum. A lot of the Illusion tour shows would have been so much better with another drummer.

Lithium93_ · 03-07-2014 11:34pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Nothing kills the mood at a concert more than a 20 minute drum solo from Matt Sorum. A lot of the Illusion tour shows would have been so much better with another drummer.

Guitar solos I can handle, drum solos eh not so much

Lithium93_ · 03-07-2014 11:38pm

The last 4 minutes of Coma after the guitar solo, are probably the best thing lyrically Axl has ever written.

Itssoeasy · 06-07-2014 1:10am

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Nothing kills the mood at a concert more than a 20 minute drum solo from Matt Sorum. A lot of the Illusion tour shows would have been so much better with another drummer.

Well he didn't get the name Matt borum for nothing.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 12:47pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Guitar solos I can handle, drum solos eh not so much

One solo per gig is enough, whether it be guitar, drum, piano or whatever. GnR take the piss with one every couple of songs. It ruins any momentum that is building.

Pawwed Rig · 06-07-2014 1:05pm

I remember the Slane gig. Sorum's solo seemed to go on forever. Everyone seemed bored by it. I doubt it was his call to have a drum solo in the gig anyway. Probably just a convenient way for the others to have a 'coffee' break.

gnfnrhead · 06-07-2014 8:27pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I remember the Slane gig. Sorum's solo seemed to go on forever. Everyone seemed bored by it. I doubt it was his call to have a drum solo in the gig anyway. Probably just a convenient way for the others to have a 'coffee' break.

I'm sure he had no problem with agreeing to it!

A short extended intro to YCBM is pretty much the only time a drum solo is acceptable. Sorum just took the piss with his.

Itssoeasy · 10-07-2014 11:20pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The last 4 minutes of Coma after the guitar solo, are probably the best thing lyrically Axl has ever written.

My favourite part of any gnr song. And the phone part in KOHD is my least favourite part.

Itssoeasy · 10-07-2014 11:47pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmw9dd9UgRQ

I much prefer this version of you're crazy to to the appetite version.

Itssoeasy · 22-07-2014 5:33pm

Appetite for destruction was released 27 years ago today.

Motley Crue · 26-07-2014 11:58am

I got a copy of the 'Appetite for Democracy' DVD on Import and as a GNR fan now for a few years its the first time I've been really shocked at how band Axl's vocals are in some sections of that performance. I'm surprised it was allowed to be released.

In fact, the DVD did the band an injustice, because it failed (probably naturally) to capture the adrenaline and power you take as an audience member from their show...I also felt that the lack of songs like Riad, Shackler's and IRS was a mistake...but then we can't have all our favourites.

That being said, I took another full listen to Chinese Democracy this week for the first time in a long while...some great tunes on that album....it is a real classic in my opinion and will be remembered, overall, as such

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZkXUA7kSw

Riad remains a personal favourite of mine though 'Scrapped' is, like 'Anything Goes' before it, the only song I can't listen too an otherwise brilliant album IMO

RVD420 · 15-08-2014 12:06pm

The latest rumour doing the rounds is that Bumblefoot is leaving GNR. The forum where I read about this claims to have an inside source, but what is pretty telling is the fact that Ron has changed his twitter bio (and other social media profiles) to say: "Guns N' Roses guitarist (2006 - 2014)".

It sucks that he's leaving, but it has been rumoured for a while now. So who can they bring in? My vote would go to Buckethead, but I'm not so sure he left on good terms the last time. Guthrie Govan would be another excellent fit, and seems to be buddies with Ron.

It'll probably end up being everyone's favourite Hanson brother, Nick Sterling tho :rolleyes:

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2014 12:51am

Listening to YCBM for the first time in ages and my god id forgotten how to good a song it is.

briany · 30-08-2014 2:37am

RVD420 wrote: »

The latest rumour doing the rounds is that Bumblefoot is leaving GNR. The forum where I read about this claims to have an inside source, but what is pretty telling is the fact that Ron has changed his twitter bio (and other social media profiles) to say: "Guns N' Roses guitarist (2006 - 2014)".

It sucks that he's leaving, but it has been rumoured for a while now. So who can they bring in? My vote would go to Buckethead, but I'm not so sure he left on good terms the last time. Guthrie Govan would be another excellent fit, and seems to be buddies with Ron.

It'll probably end up being everyone's favourite Hanson brother, Nick Sterling tho :rolleyes:

Respect to Buckethead and all that, but that comeback lineup that Guns n Roses had in 2002 was the motliest crew I had ever seen. Just a bunch of talented but mismatched guys. Buckethead was especially never an aesthetic fit for the band, and probably a bit wasted on them as a player.

RayK0309 · 03-09-2014 10:01pm

Ya I like Buckethead but you're right.And ya..the biggest problem for Guns is Axls voice which though it's tough to say..just sounds awful most of the time.He can still do it on occasion but check out his duet with Neil Young which I had the misfortune of listening to.I read some bloggers calling him Mickey Mouse which was sad but kinda true.I've seen them the last two times but I guess it's hard to pick up on these things after a few beers.That's a voice that's not coming back without some miracle.My mates would laugh at me if they heard that ****.Pity

slavetothegrind · 03-09-2014 10:25pm

Hate axle rose, asshat of the highest order for innumerable reasons.
would love to see all other original members back with myles kennedy to tour the appetite album
that would be closer than rose ever got with his crew of admittedly fantastic musicians

he is a world class prick.

RayK0309 · 04-09-2014 11:04am

They tried that already with Velvet Revolver and guess what?Even though they were good..a certain guitarist couldn't deal with the junkie singer who only saw things from his perspective all the time as he tried to chase the dragon!That was prolly the time he went up to his former singer bandmate and ragged on his VR mates.Nah..the original lineup plus a big jar of honey or nothing at all.

Wrongway1985 · 04-09-2014 1:24pm

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Hate axle rose, asshat of the highest order for innumerable reasons.
would love to see all other original members back with myles kennedy to tour the appetite album
that would be closer than rose ever got with his crew of admittedly fantastic musicians

he is a world class prick.

Hate to open this can of worms but Slash left Guns N' Roses starting the demise of the original band it wasn't like he was kicked out.

I'm a fan of Alter Bridge and Slash's project is holding them back, prefered if he got back with V.R. which as the other poster mentioned it seems someone in a hat is who it will be down to.

Here's a newish article wish it put to bed any silly hopes of a reunion...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/slash-i-have-a-hard-time-picturing-any-kind-of-future-collaboration-with-axl-rose/

science101 · 04-09-2014 2:10pm

been a massive GnR fan pretty much all my life, would pretty much love to see the original lineup back together (matt sorum for me though i prefer him as a drummer

thegreengoblin · 16-09-2014 6:13pm

It's 23 years to the day since Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were both released. I remember walking into HMV on Henry Street just after 9am and they were already blasting out Right Next Door To Hell! The lad who served me must have got a couple of advance copies because he told me they were both amazing. A couple of hours later I realised he wasn't wrong about that.

This song and video just brings back so many memories of a golden era. What an incredible band they were.

Lithium93_ · 16-09-2014 6:53pm

I thought the Use Your Illusion albums were released 23 years ago tomorrow

thegreengoblin · 16-09-2014 7:09pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I thought the Use Your Illusion albums were released 23 years ago tomorrow

You might be right, I just saw it on Twitter from a GNR account that I follow.

https://twitter.com/gunsnroses

Did it have different release dates in the US and rest of the world?

Lithium93_ · 16-09-2014 7:13pm

thegreengoblin wrote: »

You might be right, I just saw it on Twitter from a GNR account that I follow.

https://twitter.com/gunsnroses

Did it have different release dates in the US and rest of the world?

That's the legit GN'R Twitter & someone behind the scenes got the release date for the Illusions albums wrong, think it had the same release date around the world.

lord lucan · 16-09-2014 7:26pm

Definitely 23 years ago,remember queuing outside the virgin megastore to buy it on release day. I'm sure I still have the original cassettes around somewhere. It's hard to describe 23 years on just what the sense of anticipation for the De facto follow up to appetite was like. They really were the biggest band on the planet at that time.

ozzy jr · 17-09-2014 10:57am

Who'd of believed at the time that, that would be pretty much the end for the band.

Just put on UYI1 for a listen.

Motley Crue · 17-09-2014 11:21am

Too young to remember the original release with any clarity - must of been about 7 or 8 at the time, but did grow up with the music of Guns N' Roses in my "formative" years and have always loved this album. Think I definately prefer it to the second installment released.

A Primal Nut · 18-09-2014 2:03am

Think I'm one of the few people who prefer the Use Your Illusions albums to Appetite - can't believe they never make Best Album ever lists. Maybe there is a small amount of filler but other than that they are so diverse and I could listen to them over and over.

A best of Illusions album would have been my favourite album of all time! But if there was only one disc we would have missed out on a lot of great songs.

Pawwed Rig · 18-09-2014 10:01pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

Too young to remember the original release with any clarity - must of been about 7 or 8 at the time, but did grow up with the music of Guns N' Roses in my "formative" years and have always loved this album. Think I definately prefer it to the second installment released.

I remember getting the bus into town and buying them in the Sound Cellar. Only regret is that I bought them on tape. I wish I had gotten the vinyl

Lithium93_ · 30-09-2014 4:30pm

GN'R are heading out on tour again in 2015, confirmed by D.J Ashba in an interview with Legendary Rock Interviews, and of course the usual question of a new album reared it's head.

LRI: Does Guns N’ Roses have any recording or touring plans in 2015?

DJ: We are planning on doing quite a bit of touring this coming year. The focus is getting in a studio and putting together what we all feel is the best Guns N’ Roses record. Lack of material is not an issue. We have tons of stuff. Axl has two full albums that he has recorded, he has played me a bunch of songs off of that, are incredible! I can’t wait to get in and kind of dive into those as well. I’ve written tons of songs & demoed up a bunch of stuff. I think it is just a matter of getting in & sifting through the piles of material.

SAME OLD SONG N' DANCE WITH THIS BAND, IF YOU COULD EVEN CALL GN'R A BAND AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

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