Season 4; Episode 2: 'The Lion and the Rose'; Have NOT Read the Books

royster999 · 14-04-2014 9:15pm

I think it its Olenna Tyrell who had him poisioned.
She said to Sansa last episode you she should wear some jewelery .
Next she meets the former knight who conveniently offers her his family jewel.
Olenna also said to Sansa earlier this episode to visit High Garden.
Just before Joffrey kicks the bucket, the old knight shows up telling her she has to leave..

gimmick · 14-04-2014 9:44pm

Well that was unexpected but oh so satisfying.

I'll miss the character as he was such an amazing villain. I assume Cersei will take that mantle now.

Brilliant 2 episodes so far.

MadYaker · 14-04-2014 9:45pm

I don't think it was the cake. The knight is obviously in on it. I don't think it was Tyrion either. My money is on one of the tyrells or yer man from dorne.

thegreengoblin · 14-04-2014 9:54pm

My first post in this thread and what an episode to comment on! Sheer brilliance.
I had a vague idea Joffrey was on his way out but I thought they would surely kill him off towards the end of the series, so it was great to be genuinely surprised.

I always imagined one of the remaining Starks, either Jon or Arya, would get to kill Joffrey to avenge their beloved ones' deaths so if it is Sansa then it would be even better as no one has suffered at the hands of that monster more than her.
Certainly with the Fool turning up to get her away it would implicate her but no doubt there will be twists and turns before we find out who did it.

Jack Gleeson will be a real loss to the show but for the time he was in it he was fantastic.

road dog · 14-04-2014 10:06pm

I wonder if Tywin had anything to do with it:eek:

bluestripe93 · 14-04-2014 10:17pm

Great ep, I'd say it's Olenna Tyrell

(Link has spoilers so took it out)

K4t · 14-04-2014 10:17pm

Anyone else find it near impossible to watch this show with all the ad breaks on sky atlantic? Some of the ads were longer than the scenes themselves.

Didn't think this episode was even close to the quality of the opening one but the ending was impressive and sets things in motion for the rest of the season. I definitely think both Tyrell women were involved in the poisoning. And I'm also wondering why Littlefinger was nowhere to be seen? Definitely involved somehow.

DL Saint · 14-04-2014 10:17pm

Interview with Jack Gleeson about the death:
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/13/jack-gleeson-joffrey-death/

DL Saint · 14-04-2014 10:22pm

bluestripe93 wrote: »

Great ep, I'd say it's Olenna Tyrell

Anyone else seen this on Reddit
(Pics and gifs from this ep, no other spoilers)
http://imgur.com/gallery/0EQr6

Comments might have more spoilers
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/22zvn4/all_spoilers_how_it_happened_watch_closely/

Here now, at least say those links are going to have spoilers about what really happened :mad:

bluestripe93 · 14-04-2014 10:24pm

DL Saint wrote: »

Here now, at least say those links are going to have spoilers about what really happened :mad:

I did say the imgur link has spoilers from this episode, don't read this thread if you haven't seen it yet

castletownman · 14-04-2014 10:29pm

If this episode sets the tone and quality for the rest of the season then we are in for quite the treat. That last ten minutes from the ridicule of Tyrion, the look of disgust from Sansa, the attempts of Margery to "calm down" Joffrey and ultimately Joffrey's death were some awesome pieces of television.

I have never been more gripped and absorbed in a television show in my life and for that alone, take a bow Game of Thrones.

Slow Show · 14-04-2014 10:32pm

So that makes two of my favourite bands that have covered The Rains of Castamere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3QW8PVyyNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozVcbIc5yWI

Radiohead next maybe?

ShoulderChip · 14-04-2014 10:38pm

DL Saint wrote: »

The fact that Joffrey was going to get poisoned in season 4 had been spoilered to me. However that didn't hide my surprise at the way it was done. Have to give credit to Jack Gleeson as that was a terrific performance and I presume that was him singing in the closing credits?

Are you serious?
No it was not Jack Gleeson who sang at the end it was Jonsi Birgisson one of the biggest rock stars on the planet.

arch_stanton · 14-04-2014 10:42pm

bluestripe93 wrote: »

I did say the imgur link has spoilers from this episode, don't read this thread if you haven't seen it yet

The first image explains the source if the poison. It might be speculation or it might be true, I don't know, but it's definitely not explained in this episode.

On topic, at what point was Brienn cleared of killing Renley? His supporters wanted her head immediately after he was killed by the smoke demon

wp_rathead · 14-04-2014 10:44pm

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Are you serious?
No it was not Jack Gleeson who sang at the end it was Jonsi Birgisson one of the biggest rock stars on the planet.

jeez, your username is very apt, would ya relax the guy was just asking a question. Not everyone knows who Sigur Ros are..

Cookiemunster · 14-04-2014 10:44pm

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Are you serious?
No it was not Jack Gleeson who sang at the end it was Jonsi Birgisson one of the biggest rock stars on the planet.

Never heard of him. (Seriously)

ShoulderChip · 14-04-2014 10:49pm

wprathead wrote: »

jeez, your username is very apt, would ya relax the guy was just asking a question. Not everyone knows who Sigur Ros are..

I guess I guess, it just really freaks me out when people don't know sigur ros but know people like lady gaga, I do not get it, anyway moving on.

Cookiemunster · 14-04-2014 10:50pm

arch_stanton wrote: »

On topic, at what point was Brienn cleared of killing Renley? His supporters wanted her head immediately after he was killed by the smoke demon

Last week in ep 1. She told Marjorie and the story of the black ghost and Marjorie believed her. And I think Jamie vouched for her as well.

alchemist33 · 14-04-2014 10:51pm

Frankly, poisoning was too good for the little sh*t! As happy as i am at his passing, the story will miss him.

catallus · 14-04-2014 10:52pm

In fairness, the guy who sings for sigur ros is not a huge star, they're not really well known, and I thought it was Gleeson singing too. I'm happy his character is dead, just was wishing he had a more painful and dramatic death but I'll take it.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 14-04-2014 10:55pm

bluestripe93 wrote: »

Great ep, I'd say it's Olenna Tyrell

{DON'T CLICK IF YOU HAVENT WATCHED EP2 YET
Anyone else seen this on Reddit
(Pics and gifs from this ep, no other spoilers)
http://imgur.com/gallery/0EQr6

Comments might have more spoilers
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/22zvn4/all_spoilers_how_it_happened_watch_closely/
}

That link has spoilers beyond EP2

Da Shins Kelly · 14-04-2014 10:58pm

royster999 wrote: »

I think it its Olenna Tyrell who had him poisioned.
She said to Sansa last episode you she should wear some jewelery .
Next she meets the former knight who conveniently offers her his family jewel.
Olenna also said to Sansa earlier this episode to visit High Garden.
Just before Joffrey kicks the bucket, the old knight shows up telling her she has to leave..

So do you reckon there's a chance the Tyrells are giving Sansa refuge at High Garden?

LisaLee · 14-04-2014 11:07pm

My money is on Margaery ar Olenna Tyrell. But let's face it, he wasn't short of enemies!

Great death scene too. Well acted by Jack Gleeson

DerekDGoldfish · 14-04-2014 11:13pm

Slow Show wrote: »

So that makes two of my favourite bands that have covered The Rains of Castamere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3QW8PVyyNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozVcbIc5yWI

Radiohead next maybe?

Thom Yorke does look a bit like a Warg at times so you never know

80s Child · 14-04-2014 11:13pm

I just watched the last 20min again, Jesus, it's difficult. Margery looks guilty, but so does Stansa. I thought Entourage couldn't be topped, well, the first 5 series, but GoT is truly epic! It's just this week of a wait that's the problem!!

FourFourRED · 14-04-2014 11:18pm

Remember when Olenna was saying earlier on in the episode "who kills a man at a wedding?" It's surely her doing.

SherlockWatson · 14-04-2014 11:23pm

Aodhagan wrote: »

Remember when Olenna was saying earlier on in the episode "who kills a man at a wedding?" It's surely her doing.

But surely they'd plan it for after the marriage is consummated no?

I suspect Cersei, just to stop her wedding going ahead, and to become queen regent.

Artful_Badger · 14-04-2014 11:24pm

Thought it was Jack Gleeson who sang at the end too. Heard of Sigur Ros but never actually listened to them.

Great episode. I take it next in line is Joffrey's younger siblings making Margaery queen regent until they come of age ?

In which case it makes Margaery's mother the prime suspect. With Joffrey gone and the Lannister's broke the Tyrell's are in control of the 7 kingdoms.

Junior D · 14-04-2014 11:25pm

Is there any possibility the poison wasn't meant for Joffery?
If it was the wine, it wasn't taken from Joffery's table so plausibly could've been for someone else?

FourFourRED · 14-04-2014 11:26pm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Thought it was Jack Gleeson who sang at the end too. Heard of Sigur Ros but never actually listened to them.

Great episode. I take it next in line is Joffrey's younger siblings making Margaery queen regent until they come of age ?

In which case it makes Margaery's mother the prime suspect. With Joffrey gone and the Lannister's broke the Tyrell's are in control of the 7 kingdoms.

Fantastic writing when you think of it. Bring on next Monday :cool:

14-04-2014 11:28pm

Amazing.

Amazeballs.

Hope Tywin poisoned the blade of the sword knowing his nutter grandson would lick the blade to show how hard he was. Or knowing that he'd use it to cut the cake and eat the first slice.

The fecker.

Going to bed well happy.

catallus · 14-04-2014 11:30pm

It was stansa, she poisoned the cup when she got it from under the table. I'm guessing.

fluke · 14-04-2014 11:33pm

Junior D wrote: »

Is there any possibility the poison wasn't meant for Joffery?
If it was the wine, it wasn't taken from Joffery's table so plausibly could've been for someone else?

Now there's a theory!

Artful_Badger · 14-04-2014 11:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing.

Amazeballs.

Hope Tywin poisoned the blade of the sword knowing his nutter grandson would lick the blade to show how hard he was. Or knowing that he'd use it to cut the cake and eat the first slice.

The fecker.

Going to bed well happy.

So many possibilities. On the sword, on the sword after chopping up Tyrions book, in the cup, in the wine, on the fork or in the pie...

BluesBerry · 14-04-2014 11:34pm

Excellent episode , Im quessing it was Cersei when she went against the new queens orders and told to give the scraps to the dogs instead of the poor people She knows how much of a monster he is and it would put her back on the throne and she wouldn't have to marry yer man ... oh who knows

Anyway I'm going to miss Joffery I loved to hate him

Artful_Badger · 14-04-2014 11:36pm

Junior D wrote: »

Is there any possibility the poison wasn't meant for Joffery?
If it was the wine, it wasn't taken from Joffery's table so plausibly could've been for someone else?

It was his cup I think, the same one he dropped on the ground and made Tyrion pick it up. Watching it back when Joffrey tells Tyrion to "hand me my wine" Margaery points to the cup.

Junior D · 14-04-2014 11:38pm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

It was his cup I think, the same one he dropped on the ground and made Tyrion pick it up.

His cup, but not his wine

Artful_Badger · 14-04-2014 11:41pm

Junior D wrote: »

His cup, but not his wine

Perhaps.

Artful_Badger · 14-04-2014 11:41pm

BluesBerry wrote: »

Excellent episode , Im quessing it was Cersei when she went against the new queens orders and told to give the scraps to the dogs instead of the poor people She knows how much of a monster he is and it would put her back on the throne and she wouldn't have to marry yer man ... oh who knows

Anyway I'm going to miss Joffery I loved to hate him

How does it put Cersei back on the thrown ?

witnessmenow · 14-04-2014 11:47pm

80s Child wrote: »

I just watched the last 20min again, Jesus, it's difficult. Margery looks guilty, but so does Stansa. I thought Entourage couldn't be topped, well, the first 5 series, but GoT is truly epic! It's just this week of a wait that's the problem!!

Are you seriously claiming Entourage is even in the same league as GoT?

I watched all of Entourage and enjoyed it, but it really is just Sex in the City for lads...

thefa · 14-04-2014 11:50pm

Cersei lives for her children. Not a hope she poisoned Joffrey.

Birneybau · 14-04-2014 11:52pm

80s Child wrote: »

I just watched the last 20min again, Jesus, it's difficult. Margery looks guilty, but so does Stansa. I thought Entourage couldn't be topped, well, the first 5 series, but GoT is truly epic! It's just this week of a wait that's the problem!!

:rolleyes:

Da Shins Kelly · 14-04-2014 11:52pm

Quick question regarding Stannis. If he's into burning his own people who go against the Lord of Light or whatever, how is Davos still alive? I mean, he seems to be directly contradicting this witch woman all the time. I would have thought he would have been done away with at this stage.

nibtrix · 14-04-2014 11:55pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Quick question regarding Stannis. If he's into burning his own people who go against the Lord of Light or whatever, how is Davos still alive? I mean, he seems to be directly contradicting this witch woman all the time. I would have thought he would have been done away with at this stage.

In the last episode the Red Woman said he still has a part to play, so Stannis cancelled his execution

Da Shins Kelly · 14-04-2014 11:57pm

nibtrix wrote: »

In the last episode the Red Woman said he still has a part to play, so Stannis cancelled his execution

Was that in the last episode of the 3rd season or the one just passed? I'm finding I can hardly remember anything from the last season. Such a long gap between seasons.

willmunny1990 · 15-04-2014 12:00am

Wouldn't it of made more sense to try and poison Tywin? sure joffrey is a **** but everybody knows hes no threat, he's basically a pawn.

There was no real value in killing him, well apart from the pleasure that is.

80s Child · 15-04-2014 12:02am

witnessmenow wrote: »

Are you seriously claiming Entourage is even in the same league as GoT?

I watched all of Entourage and enjoyed it, but it really is just Sex in the City for lads...

It's my opinion dude, you don't need to agree with it..

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 15-04-2014 12:02am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Wouldn't it of made more sense to poison try and poison Tywin? sure joffrey is a **** but everybody knows hes no threat, he's basically a pawn.

There was no real value in killing him, well apart from the pleasure that is.

He was the king. Other than Martell there was no (outspoken) enemy of the Lannisters present.

catallus · 15-04-2014 12:03am

I thought sex in the city was for lads?

Junior D · 15-04-2014 12:03am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Wouldn't it of made more sense to poison try and poison Tywin? sure joffrey is a **** but everybody knows hes no threat, he's basically a pawn.

There was no real value in killing him, well apart from the pleasure that is.

Kind of along the same lines as I was thinking because I think the container of wine was taken from directly in front of Tywin

Season 4; Episode 2: 'The Lion and the Rose'; *Have NOT* Read the Books

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Season 4; Episode 2: 'The Lion and the Rose'; Have NOT Read the Books