Stay classy Gardai - Mod Note in OP

micropig · 23-02-2012 2:44pm

The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did

cursai · 23-02-2012 2:46pm

micropig wrote: »

The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did

Very good.

Mr.Biscuits · 23-02-2012 2:47pm

To everyone who has said that he should have opened the door - why?

Firstly, they could clearly hear him as they responded to him and him to them.

Secondly and more importantly: they kept motioning to him to move his car to the side of the road and so no doubt he was ready to do so once they got out of his way.

Smashing in his window was done just because they could.

A clear case of bully-boy tactics and misuse of power.

Not the first and I dare say won't be the last either.

working fool · 23-02-2012 2:48pm

micropig wrote: »

The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did

His accent wasent Chineese ????

_feedback_ · 23-02-2012 2:48pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Saw the same thing at a checkpoint in rwanda involving local militants/police force man should have opened the door but smashing a window is the attitude of a thug in uniform.

The guy wanted them to do it. It has been proven that this guy likes to give out about police "violence". He is the only thug in that video. Although, to use thug is an insult to genuine thugs... Idiot might be more apt.

Gophur wrote: »

We have "Police" in Mayo? When was it ceded to the UK?

Have a look at http://www.garda.ie/. They are our police service.

swimming in a sea · 23-02-2012 2:49pm

cursai wrote: »

Hmmm.....only two more classes left then your off for the weekend. Waheey!!!:)

I'm afraid 0 out of 10 for you, university finished 10 years ago and in full employment for a private company, also in total support of the shell project in Mayo.

Gardai are there to serve the people, not to break the law which he did by breaking the window of this assholes car, he may come up with some bull**** about thinking he had a weapon but truth is he just lost his temper.

Gardai should operate under a strict set of rules, they should limit discretion thinking to a minimum, as unfortunately most recruits to the Gardai are not the most enlightened.

micropig · 23-02-2012 2:50pm

working fool wrote: »

His accent wasent Chineese ????

Maybe the driver was a deliverly driver and the food he was about to deliver was cold:D

minidazzler · 23-02-2012 2:50pm

elviscostello wrote: »

There is no excuse for someone not co-operating. They should do what the guards want instantly. Why should the guards waste their time? They are not co-operating. Do whatever you need to do to take control I would reckon...

If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

Also, there are some great excuses for no co-operating with the garda, like being someone who chooses not to recognise them as having authority, they can request I do something and I might, but since I don't drive there is little they can demand of me.

steddyeddy · 23-02-2012 2:51pm

cursai wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

Saw the same thing at a checkpoint in rwanda involving local militants/police force man should have opened the door but smashing a window is the attitude of a thug in uniform.

Snigger!!!! I saw a man standing face to face with a tank once in China. Could happen here too. Very possible.

It could and did happen here too. Isnt that what this thread about :-$. Did the man not smash the other guys window.

d3exile · 23-02-2012 2:51pm

-sigh-

right, again i'll say the guards over reacted based on the evidence in the video...

however if you're a police officer, at a checkpoint and have a duty to perform including inspecting the driver's licence and breathalysing the driver or searching the vehicle if you deem necessary, yet said driver sits parked and just shouting at you from a locked car what do you do?

window broken or not, surely there are 3 other windows he can open? or open the door. refusing to cooperate will only go so far, and give 2 options, a long standoff where the vehicle and driver stay where they are until he opens his door, or the gardaí force entry to the vehicle... no one anywhere can drive up to a checkpoint, refuse to cooperate and then just drive away, thats just stupid...

If people believe a driver in any country can pull up to a police checkpoint and just shout at the police from inside his car and refuse to cooperate they have another thing coming, forget the US - try france, germany, spain, italy, australia, poland, china, russia try any country and the police WILL force entry to the car.

I wholeheartedly believe this video is a non story and as stated by another poster just more whinging by the S2S protesters cos no one is paying attention to them any more...

I disagree the army should be sent in they aren't trained primarily for situations like S2S and the outcome from the video may very well be tougher, or the same, certainly not softer... the rentacrowd problem in Mayo is a civil matter, and the responsibility of the civil authority whether the protesters recognise the authority or not

tayto lover · 23-02-2012 2:52pm

I have been stopped thousands of times on both sides of the border as I live quite close. Never had a problem. Treat people with respect and you get respect back.
This lad was on a mission with his camera.

jewett · 23-02-2012 2:53pm

The Gardai acted like complete thugs in this situation. Getting out a baton to break a window of his car and then threaten him with pepper spray. I mean wtf.

Next time (the inevitable) cuts are imposed on the Gardai - I will have no f@cking
sympathy for them. We taxpayers pay their wages. In return, we expect an acceptable level of service. We expect them to act professionally and firmly* but not like complete thugs.

*(common courtesy would be nice also but they don't teach them that in Templemore)

irelandrover · 23-02-2012 2:54pm

minidazzler wrote: »

If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

Also, there are some great excuses for no co-operating with the garda, like being someone who chooses not to recognise them as having authority, they can request I do something and I might, but since I don't drive there is little they can demand of me.

He was being uncooperative. He refused to move his car from the middle of the road. He refused to show his license, and he refused to open the door. At that point what do you want the guards to do?

Where To · 23-02-2012 2:56pm

To the people who say that the guards over reacted, how long should a person be given to comply with a garda instruction?

A minute?

5 minutes?

10 minutes?

Half a day?

A week?

Indefinitely?

Drake66 · 23-02-2012 2:56pm

I never understand the need for this trend of hounding the gardai: they do a great job, one of the best in Europe in my opinion, with limited resources.

d3exile · 23-02-2012 2:57pm

jewett wrote: »

The Gardai acted like complete thugs in this situation. Getting out a baton to break a window of his car and then threaten him with pepper spray. I mean wtf.

Next time (the inevitable) cuts are imposed on the Gardai - I will have no f@cking
sympathy for them. We taxpayers pay their wages. In return, we expect an acceptable level of service. We expect them to act professionally and firmly* but not like complete thugs.

*(common courtesy would be nice also but they don't teach them that in Templemore)

:rolleyes: very interested in your opinion about how the gardaí react to someone who won't open a window or door or cooperate? talk us through it start to finish there, with courtesy

_feedback_ · 23-02-2012 3:02pm

minidazzler wrote: »

If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

He was being uncooperative. He didn't move the car to where they asked. Any right minded person would find another way to communicate the "broken motor" problem with Gardai within seconds.

He made no attempt to co-operate. Even after they broke the window, and threatened the pepper spray, they told him to get out of the car a few times. But he just carried on rambling, he was hoping for it to carry on.

I hope this issue doesn't make mainstream news, because that is precisely what that idiot wanted when he got in the car that day.

jewett · 23-02-2012 3:09pm

d3exile wrote: »

:rolleyes: very interested in your opinion about how the gardaí react to someone who won't open a window or door or cooperate?

So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one of them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think he was a suicide bomber?

It wasn't me! · 23-02-2012 3:11pm

jewett wrote: »

So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think was a suicide bomber?

2 minutes is a friggin' ridiculous time to take the piss here, and that's what it is. Heavy handed? Maybe, but the guy is taking the piss. It does not take 2 minutes to open the bloody door.

smash · 23-02-2012 3:17pm

Unprovoked? please... the guy was being a tool.

"I'm going about my business, what's the story here"

Well clearly it's a checkpoint Einstein!

d3exile · 23-02-2012 3:17pm

jewett wrote: »

So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think was a suicide bomber?

It wasn't me! wrote: »

2 minutes is a friggin' ridiculous time to take the piss here, and that's what it is. Heavy handed? Maybe, but the guy is taking the piss. It does not take 2 minutes to open the bloody door.

:rolleyes:losing count of how many times i've said i agree they overreacted here, but only slightly, the more this eejit stayed like he was, breaking the window is the only option.

so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:

CptSternn · 23-02-2012 3:20pm

It shows how the Gards operate here in our country.

Disgraceful.

smash · 23-02-2012 3:21pm

CptSternn wrote: »

It shows how the Gards operate here in our country.

Disgraceful.

Are you trolling? did you watch the video?

hondasam · 23-02-2012 3:22pm

d3exile wrote: »

so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:

He could have gone round to the passengers door before smashing the window.
The incident probably went on longer than what we seen.
I do think the guard came across as annoyed/irate, would have been better if he kept his cool.
They are dealing with this every day and it's always the same people causing aggro and the gardai are fully aware that they are recorded all the time.

lastlaugh · 23-02-2012 3:22pm

smash wrote: »

Unprovoked? please... the guy was being a tool.

"I'm going about my business, what's the story here"

Well clearly it's a checkpoint Einstein!

The story is if you don't stop acting like a twat you are going to be treated like one.

Gophur · 23-02-2012 3:23pm

elviscostello wrote: »

............
Have a look at http://www.garda.ie/. They are our police service.

Now , be a good lad, and go back and learn the difference between Police and police!

d3exile · 23-02-2012 3:26pm

hondasam wrote: »

He could have gone round to the passengers door before smashing the window.
The incident probably went on longer than what we seen.
I do think the guard came across as annoyed/irate, would have been better if he kept his cool.
They are dealing with this every day and it's always the same people causing aggro and the gardai are fully aware that they are recorded all the time.

ok 100% agree on the passenger window thing, and the gardaí should have kept their cool more, but the video doesn't show, he could well have walked around the back of the car, or the first female Garda could have, the camera is only forward facing, but yes 100% trying all windows and doors would be a preferential option, but given the driver's attitude it would be reasonable to suggest he wouldn't/ "couldn't" open that one either, what next?

sooner or later lads if he keeps acting the way he was the window has to go in

ejmaztec · 23-02-2012 3:27pm

For all we know, the driver could have been a regular wind-up-merchant, with a previous record of being a complete tit to the local Guards.

milehip1 · 23-02-2012 3:30pm

d3exile wrote: »

:rolleyes:losing count of how many times i've said i agree they overreacted here, but only slightly, the more this eejit stayed like he was, breaking the window is the only option.

so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:

Hardly the only option, they could have slashed his tyres or keyed the paintwork before moving onto the windows,
also of course there's always the 'rhode island red light adjuster'

usually lets people know who's in change.

d3exile · 23-02-2012 3:33pm

milehip1 wrote: »

Hardly the only option, they could have slashed his tyres or keyed the paintwork before moving onto the windows,
also of course there's always the 'rhode island red light adjuster'
usually lets people who's in change.

I presume you mean "lets people know who's in charge?"

so are you proving my point by listing silly things as that you cant think of a better way to get the job done? :pac:

hondasam · 23-02-2012 3:33pm

d3exile wrote: »

ok 100% agree on the passenger window thing, and the gardaí should have kept their cool more, but the video doesn't show, he could well have walked around the back of the car, or the first female Garda could have, the camera is only forward facing, but yes 100% trying all windows and doors would be a preferential option, but given the driver's attitude it would be reasonable to suggest he wouldn't/ "couldn't" open that one either, what next?

sooner or later lads if he keeps acting the way he was the window has to go in

The gardai played right into his hands tbh, these protesters are out to cause as much hassle as they can.
Eventually the window has to go in yes but how often does this happen, rare I would think, most people comply with the direction of a garda.
This video today another one next week, all about keeping STS in the news.

Tom Joad · 23-02-2012 3:35pm

So we are meant to infer from a highly edited video clip (and why video in the first place) that this guy was the innocent victim of heavy handed policing!! - While it may not have been the perfect response from viewing a heavily edited video clip, don't think the guards have much option tbh!

d3exile · 23-02-2012 3:36pm

hondasam wrote: »

The gardai played right into his hands tbh, these protesters are out to cause as much hassle as they can.
Eventually the window has to go in yes but how often does this happen, rare I would think, most people comply with the direction of a garda.
This video today another one next week, all about keeping STS in the news.

definitely agree with you but like you say the guards played into his hand, it was their only option, they were forced into that option, they did it too soon in my opinion. most people do comply with gardaí, the silent majority of people are great and law abiding and spend no more than 30seconds at a checkpoint, then there are criminals who get the 3rd 4th and 5th degree from cops at a checkpoint, then there's eejits like this guy who should have been given 10 minutes to act the twat and THEN have the window go in on him...

ejmaztec · 23-02-2012 3:37pm

The driver was probably wearing a balaclava.

Tom Joad · 23-02-2012 3:39pm

hondasam wrote: »

The gardai played right into his hands tbh, these protesters are out to cause as much hassle as they can.
Eventually the window has to go in yes but how often does this happen, rare I would think, most people comply with the direction of a garda.
This video today another one next week, all about keeping STS in the news.

Think you have hit the nail on the head here - the guards can't win this one but they need to not only behave but to been seen to behave beyond reproach as everything they say/do is being monitored. Easy for us to say from behind a keyboard but they are human at the end of the day.

_feedback_ · 23-02-2012 3:41pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

The driver was probably wearing a balaclava.

I know you are only joking, but you aren't far wrong. Who knows what he was doing to try and get a reaction. We can't see him at all, and definately don't know what he might have been doing in previous encounters with the gardai.

irelandrover · 23-02-2012 3:43pm

hondasam wrote: »

The gardai played right into his hands tbh, these protesters are out to cause as much hassle as they can.
Eventually the window has to go in yes but how often does this happen, rare I would think, most people comply with the direction of a garda.
This video today another one next week, all about keeping STS in the news.

Tom Joad wrote: »

Think you have hit the nail on the head here - the guards can't win this one but they need to not only behave but to been seen to behave beyond reproach as everything they say/do is being monitored. Easy for us to say from behind a keyboard but they are human at the end of the day.

I don't see how the garda played into their hands. Judging by this thread most people see that the driver was an idiot. A lot of people are agreeing with the actions of the garda. The person in this who actually lost something is the driver who now has a broken window.

milehip1 · 23-02-2012 3:46pm

d3exile wrote: »

I presume you mean "lets people know who's in charge?"

so are you proving my point by listing silly things as that you cant think of a better way to get the job done? :pac:

You presume good.

Am I proving your point or am I just pointing out the absurdity of the incident?

hondasam · 23-02-2012 3:48pm

d3exile wrote: »

definitely agree with you but like you say the guards played into his hand, it was their only option, they were forced into that option, they did it too soon in my opinion. most people do comply with gardaí, the silent majority of people are great and law abiding and spend no more than 30seconds at a checkpoint, then there are criminals who get the 3rd 4th and 5th degree from cops at a checkpoint, then there's eejits like this guy who should have been given 10 minutes to act the twat and THEN have the window go in on him...

If you think about it where else would this happen and make the news or YouTube. It could only happen at STS because if it happened anywhere else no one would care.

Tom Joad wrote: »

Think you have hit the nail on the head here - the guards can't win this one but they need to not only behave but to been seen to behave beyond reproach as everything they say/do is being monitored. Easy for us to say from behind a keyboard but they are human at the end of the day.

They know every time they stop anyone there it's recorded. Maybe that was the first time that guard was at STS but he should be well aware of what happens.

hondasam · 23-02-2012 3:53pm

irelandrover wrote: »

I don't see how the garda played into their hands. Judging by this thread most people see that the driver was an idiot. A lot of people are agreeing with the actions of the garda. The person in this who actually lost something is the driver who now has a broken window.

I agree with the actions of the guard as well, the driver was an idiot but it was all done to highlight STS and show the gardai in a bad light.
Who else would bother putting it on YouTube only these protesters.
All these claims of police brutality and false video's etc.
Don't get me wrong the gardai are not looking great sometimes either.

ejmaztec · 23-02-2012 3:57pm

elviscostello wrote: »

I know you are only joking, but you aren't far wrong. Who knows what he was doing to try and get a reaction. We can't see him at all, and definately don't know what he might have been doing in previous encounters with the gardai.

Hopefully, should the driver end up in court, we'll get the other side of the story as well, and not just the one-sided edited version that we've got now.

monkeybutter · 23-02-2012 3:58pm

OIL ask my questions first. ha ha

Asmodean · 23-02-2012 3:59pm

This is the same ****e that's happening a lot in America now at the moment. A few cops were caught on tape being dickheads ( which is completely out of order by the way ) and now every pleb with a camcorder thinks he's some cutting edge journalist. I understand some Guards are pig ignorant and they all have a duty to uphold the law in a fair and safe manner but that doesn't mean that it gives us the right to act the complete arse with them just because we have some bigger agenda that we are trying to prove.
I do agree with transparency within any kind of law enforcement and if the Guards have nothing to hide the recording shouldn't present any sort of problem for them but this hidden camera stuff still really pisses me off when the source of the blame is partly due to the 'The victims' behaviour aswell as that of the police themsevles.

Paparazzo · 23-02-2012 4:03pm

The videos are such bad propaganda for the Shell to Sea clowns, sometimes I actually think it's Shell that's putting them out.
Every one of them that was posted on AH make the protesters out to be complete dickheads

monkeybutter · 23-02-2012 4:10pm

The reactions on this thread show Irish people in a very bad light indeed.

The police are not a bunch of thugs, they should behave in a professional manner. I would hope that a complaint is lodged on this and that the one that broke the window is suspended at least.

I'd certianly be suing them for damages, whiplash etc etc

It's a disgrace

Tipp Man · 23-02-2012 4:12pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

The reactions on this thread show Irish people in a very bad light indeed.

The police are not a bunch of thugs, they should behave in a professional manner. I would hope that a complaint is lodged on this and that the one that broke the window is suspended at least.

I'd certianly be suing them for damages, whiplash etc etc

It's a disgrace

How the hell do you get whiplash as a result of a breaking window in a stationary car??

No wonder insurance costs are going through the roof

_feedback_ · 23-02-2012 4:13pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

The reactions on this thread show Irish people in a very bad light indeed.

The police are not a bunch of thugs, they should behave in a professional manner. I would hope that a complaint is lodged on this and that the one that broke the window is suspended at least.

I'd certianly be suing them for damages, whiplash etc etc

It's a disgrace

Disgrace alright.

My name is URL · 23-02-2012 4:14pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

I'd certianly be suing them for damages, whiplash etc etc

It's a disgrace

hahahahaa wtf!

hondasam · 23-02-2012 4:15pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

The reactions on this thread show Irish people in a very bad light indeed.

The police are not a bunch of thugs, they should behave in a professional manner. I would hope that a complaint is lodged on this and that the one that broke the window is suspended at least.

I'd certianly be suing them for damages, whiplash etc etc

It's a disgrace

What happened to the last court case ? whiplash from what, he was stopped sitting in his car.
It's a disgrace that we are still paying for the ****e that's going on.

griffdaddy · 23-02-2012 4:15pm

Not that I agree with gards being heavy handed or anything, but there's a good chance that the incident in Tipperary was fresh in their mind. If I was a Garda I'd be increasingly worried about someone unloading a gun in my face or slashing my face arbitrarily.

Stay classy Gardai - Mod Note in OP

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