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Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

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  • #102
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Thanks guys, and yeah Mr Cumulonimbus, I picked up those channels after doing a manual scan on that freq. cheers :)


  • #103
    stereomatic
    Registered Users Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭stereomatic


    I'm fairly sure somebody in this thread or in the saorview content speculation thread posted a pdf link about the deadline for RTÉ 1 HD bein in mid 2013 and mux2 being launched and in the pdf it suggested both RTÉ 1 HD and RTÉ 2 HD being on mux2 and something about ministerial discretion if someone remembers this post could they repost this link
    Also before the channels were placed in mux2 who was paying for the tests 2RN or RTÉ and if somebody remembers the pdf I'm on about would it mean that TG4 HD and TV3 HD will be on mux1


  • #104
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    stereomatic wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure somebody in this thread or in the saorview content speculation thread posted a pdf link about the deadline for RTÉ 1 HD bein in mid 2013 and mux2 being launched and in the pdf it suggested both RTÉ 1 HD and RTÉ 2 HD being on mux2 and something about ministerial discretion if someone remembers this post could they repost this link
    Also before the channels were placed in mux2 who was paying for the tests 2RN or RTÉ and if somebody remembers the pdf I'm on about would it mean that TG4 HD and TV3 HD will be on mux1

    Minister Carey signed off on the new RTÉ services and it was suggested that RTÉ TWO HD, RTÉjr/RTÉ 1 +1 should air on Mux 2. When he left office that was forgotten about.

    Oh and that RTÉ ONE HD should be developed go to the broadcasting section of www.dcern.ie


  • #105
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    stereomatic wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure somebody in this thread or in the saorview content speculation thread posted a pdf link about the deadline for RTÉ 1 HD bein in mid 2013 and mux2 being launched and in the pdf it suggested both RTÉ 1 HD and RTÉ 2 HD being on mux2 and something about ministerial discretion if someone remembers this post could they repost this link

    Minister's Decision - http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/NR/rdonlyres/53109763-FB78-4318-A034-47D2021C6D39/0/MinistersDecision.pdf


  • #106
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Minister's Decision - http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/NR/rdonlyres/53109763-FB78-4318-A034-47D2021C6D39/0/MinistersDecision.pdf

    Page 10

    Conditions attaching to Specific Channels
    1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;
    2. The knowledge gained from technical trialling of the HD channel will be shared with other broadcasters;
    3. RTÉ should aim to provide for full HD versions of RTÉ One and RTÉ Two as soon as practicable and by mid 2013 at the latest;
    4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex;
    5. No advertising is permitted on the RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now channel;
    6. In respect of RTÉjr and RTÉ News Now, RTÉ shall review Phase 2 of these channel proposals on foot of the suggestions set out in the public consultation in order to further enhance the public value of the channels.
    7. RTÉ Plus: Phase 1 only is approved and for a period of 4 years only until February 2014.


  • #107
    Mr Cumulonimbus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Mr Cumulonimbus


    Elmo wrote: »
    Page 10

    Conditions attaching to Specific Channels
    1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;

    Unlikely to happen during this current retune?


  • #108
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »
    Unlikely to happen during this current retune?
    Well both RTE's were never going to be on the same Mux as has been discussed earlier in this thread. The supposed reasoning being that the first mux was the one with the optimised frequencies and RTE were not allowed to have that for both its main TV channels. If that is true (there has been a lot of rejigging of the second mux frequencies since then) then RTE have put less value on RTE One HD than RTE 2 HD. I would find that hard to believe as they are not stupid, ya know. Perhaps Mux 2 has infact become more optimised from the tests carried out over the last year! Hang on I'll get me tin foil hat.


  • #109
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Continuing from the last post mux 2 is now RTENL 1 and mux1 has become RTENL 2. This probably complies to a ministerial order.


  • #110
    stereomatic
    Registered Users Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭stereomatic


    Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »
    Unlikely to happen during this current retune?
    It could happen 2 channels that had test cards are now blank and there are 2 channels with test cards that have audio but I suppose we've a few weeks to speculate on that matter and slightly more than 2 months to wait for the official launch of RTÉ1 HD
    A lot of us didn't expect RTÉ 1 HD, RTÉjr and RTÉ1 +1 to be on mux2 thinking that it was rejigging of the frequencies for a number of transmitters


  • #111
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    Continuing from the last post mux 2 is now RTENL 1 and mux1 has become RTENL 2. This probably complies to a ministerial order.
    For sure that seems to have been the spirit of it. RTE 1+1 and RTE JNR moved to Mux 2. The placeholders "holding" "retune" will disappear in the coming weeks, perhaps allowing 2RN to increase the bit rates (in the short term) for the remaining channels on Mux 1 after those simulcasts are gone.


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  • #112
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    STB wrote: »
    For sure that seems to have been the spirit of it. RTE 1+1 and RTE JNR moved to Mux 2. The placeholders "holding" "retune" will disappear in the coming weeks, perhaps allowing 2RN to increase the bit rates (in the short term) for the remaining channels on Mux 1 after those simulcasts are gone.

    And RTÉ ONE +1 to go in Feburary


  • #113
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Rain playing havoc with my reception but rte hd version now showing no signal . New mux is higher strenght as the rain doesn't interefere with it as badly for some reason.


  • #114
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    Rain playing havoc with my reception but rte hd version now showing no signal . New mux is higher strenght as the rain doesn't interefere with it as badly for some reason.
    Your reception must be borderline normally if the rain is affecting it, are you using an outdoor aerial?


  • #115
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    The Cush wrote: »
    Your reception must be borderline normally if the rain is affecting it, are you using an outdoor aerial?

    Yeah. On a gable end with no chimney. Saorview.ie now tells me I should be using kippure instead of cairn hill. But that involves a different aerial.


  • #116
    adox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭adox


    If I rescan for MUX 2 is there a chance I'll lose my Freeview (lite) channels?


  • #117
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    adox wrote: »
    If I rescan for MUX 2 is there a chance I'll lose my Freeview (lite) channels?
    No provided the Freeview signal is OK but how you've arranged them might change, do you use Ireland or UK as the TV's region/country?


  • #118
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭zg3409


    adox wrote: »
    If I rescan for MUX 2 is there a chance I'll lose my Freeview (lite) channels?

    I would first check if you are still receiving the Freeview lite channels tonight. There is a chance a Saorview Mux 2 transmission from some part of the country may now be stopping distant reception. If you still have the channels then they should still be found again after an automatic scan, however before scanning I would try to make a note of the frequency you are receiving the old Saorview Mux1 channels and the Freeview Lite channels on.

    You may need to do a factory reset. Also depending on the model of receiver you may need to do a manual scan of the Mux 1 Frequency, then Mux 2 then Freeview lite, to ensure they all arrive in a normal order with Saorview First and UK channels afterwards. It depends if your box is Saorview approved or not and how it handles auto-scan.

    If your freeview lite is very weak it may struggle to find them on auto or even manual scan.


  • #119
    muincav
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭muincav


    muincav wrote: »
    Have NO channels at all now...rescanned several times and Got some back but all gone and none coming in on rescan....had most of the UK freeview channels too but nothing now....:mad:

    All back now-thanks all....:D


  • #120
    adox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,018 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Cheers for the replies guys. Checked and the a Freeview channels were still there. Rescanned and MUX 2 coming in as well as the Freeview.


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  • #121
    cormacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭cormacl


    So for the very first time now, if I start a recording on my Dreambox, it shows some of the other DTT services greyed our as they are unavailable... two muxes :)

    The model I have is the DM8000 with 2 built-in DVB-S2 tuners and 2 spare slots. I currently have a single DVB-T tuner installed. Ironically I ordered a 2nd DVB-T tuner just yesterday from Amazon just to be ready and bang I need it the next day. The DM8000 is discontinued so I was also concerned that getting an extra tuner would become harder over time.

    Will be interesting to see how quickly TV3 and TG4 go HD. I'm really excited to see how Vincent Browne's looks in HD with those hideous backgrounds.


  • #122
    Mr. Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Mr. Rabbit


    adox wrote: »
    Cheers for the replies guys. Checked and the a Freeview channels were still there. Rescanned and MUX 2 coming in as well as the Freeview.

    If you're using a PVR (recorder) you will have to reset all the recording schedules on Freeview.


  • #123
    WeHaveToGoBack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭WeHaveToGoBack


    Just retuned there now and I've lost RTE One, everything else is fine. Plus NewsNow is now no. 6 instead of 5, with 3e now at 5.


    Edit: it was on channel 11 as "Rescan required".


  • #124
    CYCLOPS1
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭CYCLOPS1


    On my non approved box, rte jnr and rte+1 were fine( and still are on mux 1),however on mux2 I have to rescan to change from one to the other,in others words if I scan in the evening I get rte+1,if I scan during the day rte jnr,but box not holding other channel in its own position so to speak.i know they share the same 'stream' as it were but this was not a problem before yesterday.amy constructive ideas?


  • #125
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    WeHaveToGoBack wrote: »
    Plus NewsNow is now no. 6 instead of 5, with 3e now at 5.

    That swap happened back in July 2012 - http://www.saorview.ie/news/how-to-re-scan-saorview-approved-box-or-tv/

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056686543


  • #126
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    CYCLOPS1 wrote: »
    amy constructive ideas?

    No I'm afraid.

    I have a similar non-approved receiver and this was a problem with Mux1, I could only store one of the channels at any one time.


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  • #127
    CYCLOPS1
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭CYCLOPS1


    The Cush wrote: »
    No I'm afraid.

    I have a similar non-approved receiver and this was a problem with Mux1, I could only store one of the channels at any one time.

    Thanks for reply,I just wonder what is different about the mux2,it was ok on mux1(still is so far)


  • #128
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    CYCLOPS1 wrote: »
    it was ok on mux1(still is so far)

    Unfortunately those Mux 1 channels will be gone in about 2-3 weeks.


  • #129
    CYCLOPS1
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭CYCLOPS1


    The Cush wrote: »
    Unfortunately those Mux 1 channels will be gone in about 2-3 weeks.

    Yes I know,but does anybody know why ok on 1 ,but not on other mux.why are they different.it also works ok for similar set up on Ceebees/bbc set up?


  • #130
    jamesnp
    Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭jamesnp


    I can receive mux 1 but there seems to be no sign of mux 2 even manually tuning to channel 33.

    I have a Samsung TV from Belgium which is technically, I presume, not Saorview approved. Is there any technical reason why I would be able to receive mux 1 and not mux 2 or can we safely attribute it to a weak signal?

    -jp


  • #131
    JamesyBelfast
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭JamesyBelfast


    Much weaker signal from the new Mux in Belfast.

    Can get it fine with my outdoor aerial on one TV, but indoor loft aerial picks up the new channels very badly whereas all channels on the other mux perfect with that one. Was a bit surprised and disappointed about that.


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  • #132
    jamesnp
    Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭jamesnp


    Dragged the TV over to the window there and got Mux 2 but no Mux 1!

    So, yeah, deffo a signal issue. Must invest in an outdoor aerial.

    -jp


  • #133
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭zg3409


    jamesnp wrote: »
    Dragged the TV over to the window there and got Mux 2 but no Mux 1!
    So, yeah, deffo a signal issue. Must invest in an outdoor aerial.

    Dun Laoghaire is in a bit of a bowl facing out to sea compared to 3Rock to the South West. You could try a manual scan on Ch33 for Mux 2. Mux 1 is on 30 and any aerial needs to be horizontal.


  • #134
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,541 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I think the issue here guys is that the channels you are looking for may be hidden as someone else already posted that info yesterday.

    It came up as hidden on when I switched on my Saorview box this morning with ch 33 from 3 Rock tuned into it.


  • #135
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I think the issue here guys is that the channels you are looking for may be hidden as someone else already posted that info yesterday.

    No they didn't. RTE1 & RTE jr/RTE1+1 are not hidden. Why would they be?

    The 2 "guys" here have signal issues.


  • #136
    jamesnp
    Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭jamesnp


    Yep, Ronnie's spot on. Nothing is hidden.

    I will say though my channels' order is totally messed up, most of the TV channels coming after the radio ones, and the "this serivce is closed" "rescan required" channels still in the 1,2,3,4 etc. spots.

    I'm presuming this is due to my TV being Belgian — no big deal, Samsung TVs allow you to reoder and delete channels from the line up.

    -jp


  • #137
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    From:
    JamesyBelfast wrote: »
    ... indoor loft aerial picks up the new channels very badly whereas all channels on the other mux perfect with that one.

    it does not follow that there is:
    JamesyBelfast wrote: »
    Much weaker signal from the new Mux in Belfast.

    All you know is that your loft aerial, in its particular spot, is receiving a weaker signal on the 2nd mux. Might only be slightly weaker than mux. 1: enough to push it over the "digital cliff".

    You can't expand that to include the whole of Belfast.


  • #138
    Fionne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Fionne


    I have 2 tvs, one connected to a rooftop aerial, another working off an indoor aerial (the long white bar type). I had no channels at all on the one with the indoor aerial yesterday until I did the re-scan. Now I'm getting RTE1 on Channel 23 and all other channels on Channel 55. Previously, I got all on Channel 21, Mullaghanish which is where my rooftop aerial is also directed to.

    So question:

    Why is RTE1 coming from a different source to the others? RTE1 is skipping and jumping while the other channels are fine but when I tried to manually tune it to 21 I got nothing and it also won't tune RTE1 on Channel 55. Do I need to move my indoor aerial around to get it to pick up RTE1 on 55?

    Also, the channels 11, 17 and 18 are still saying Rescan required and they're not on the EPG - will this change?


  • #139
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    23 is mount leinster where are you based??


  • #140
    JamesyBelfast
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭JamesyBelfast


    OK - what I mean to say was, "I'm getting a much weaker signal in Belfast on the new Mux"!
    (obviously can't speak for anyone else). :-) :-)

    Both aerials (outdoor and indoor) getting perfect reception on all channels from old Mux.
    Both aerials getting significantly reduced reception on all channels from new Mux.

    (Loft aerial getting unwatchable channels from new mux - everything prefect from old mux)

    Both aerials pointing same direction.


  • #141
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    By the sounds of things they likely added a second transponder, which appears in your case to not be as strong. and is appearing on channel 55 the indoor aerial may require some movement, but I haven't used saorview in several months, are you based in Dublin? As where your based could change if its all on one transponder or not. If Dublin a specific part may be useful.


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  • #142
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    FonE wrote: »
    I have 2 tvs, one connected to a rooftop aerial, another working off an indoor aerial (the long white bar type). I had no channels at all on the one with the indoor aerial yesterday until I did the re-scan. Now I'm getting RTE1 on Channel 23 and all other channels on Channel 55. Previously, I got all on Channel 21, Mullaghanish which is where my rooftop aerial is also directed to.

    The rescan is to pick up the 2nd multiplex (mux. 2) which "officially" went on air yesterday.

    You must be in an area that can get Mullaghanish, Mt. Leinster & Dungarvan transmitters?

    RTE1 on ch. 23 (Mt. Leinster mux. 1) will be the standard def. version that's due to go off shortly. Channel 55 should also have this version of RTE1.

    Mullaghanish mux. 2 with the new RTE1 HD is on ch. 24, Mt. Leinster has this on ch. 26 & Dungarvan on ch. 59.


  • #143
    kooga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭kooga


    I haven't done a rescan yet........but any any changes to the Spur Hill set up in Cork? just to be prepared.


  • #144
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    kooga wrote: »
    any changes to the Spur Hill set up in Cork? just to be prepared.

    Only the same changes as at every other transmitter site in the network. Spur Hill has mux. 2 on UHF ch. 49.


  • #145
    parasite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,077 ✭✭✭parasite


    Speaking of Spur Hill, has it been glitchy for anyone else in the last few days, or it just my hardware/aerial ?


  • #146
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    parasite wrote: »
    Speaking of Spur Hill, has it been glitchy for anyone else in the last few days, or it just my hardware/aerial ?

    It's been fine for me on both muxes. I only use an indoor aerial.


  • #147
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    JamesyBelfast wrote: »
    OK - what I mean to say was, "I'm getting a much weaker signal in Belfast on the new Mux"!
    (obviously can't speak for anyone else). :-) :-)

    Both aerials (outdoor and indoor) getting perfect reception on all channels from old Mux.
    Both aerials getting significantly reduced reception on all channels from new Mux.

    (Loft aerial getting unwatchable channels from new mux - everything prefect from old mux)

    Both aerials pointing same direction.

    I notice this as well from Cairn Hill. Distance is 58km according to saorview.ie from house. the new mux has a signal quality of 91% compared to 80% on the old mux for some reason.


  • #148
    kooga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭kooga


    lertsnim wrote: »
    It's been fine for me on both muxes. I only use an indoor aerial.

    i haven't been following this mux 1 and 2 so does this mean for spurhill i have to do two scans as my saorview channels were or are on ch 45 ? plus now a scan for mux 2?


  • #149
    douglasman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭douglasman


    Hi,

    My TV uses the Collins Barracks (Cork) transmitter with a wideband outdoor aeriel pointing towards Collins Barracks and vertically polarized. MUX 1 on UHF Ch 50 has always worked fine and still does. However MUX 2 on UHF Ch 37 does not add any channels at all. I'm using a Samsung TV with built in MPEG 4 tuner. Is anyone able to get MUX 2 from Collins Barracks in Cork?


  • #150
    douglasman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭douglasman


    kooga wrote: »
    i haven't been following this mux 1 and 2 so does this mean for spurhill i have to do two scans as my saorview channels were or are on ch 45 ? plus now a scan for mux 2?

    Yes, Scan Ch 45 for MUX 1 and Ch 49 for MUX 2 on Spur Hill.


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  • #151
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    You only need to scan channel 49. This will get you the new versions of RTE1 & RTE jr. You can delete the old ones which should be showing in the EPG without names & with 'rescan required' in the programme info.


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