M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

jd · 10-12-2008 1:00pm

iwo wrote: »

Hi,

Any update on this? I heard that money meant for this road will be spent on metro in Dublin... Traffic is getting bigger and bigger, people are moving to Gorey etc. I hate this part between Arklow and Rathnew!!
Fingers crossed...

This project has been indefinitely postponed. Money was not diverted from this project to the metro.

thedarkroom · 10-12-2008 1:11pm

ARS*H*LES!!!
ARS*H*LES!!!
ARS*H*LES!!!
I've been driving the N11 from Gorey to Dublin every day (almost) for fourteen years now and have seen several accidents and fatalities on this stretch of road.
This incompetence is totally unacceptable. It's not as if it will be an exorbitant amount of money to finish the project. The compulsory purchase of the land required is already done and the surveying is finished. It's ready for the contractor and surely, in the current climate, now is the time to get this type of thing done as quotes will come in way below what it would normally cost when the builders, etc are busy.
Get it done now and save money....SAVE LIVES!!!!

Irish and Proud · 10-12-2008 1:56pm

Quadra wrote: »

I'm with you on this iwo - I travel the stretch at least 4 times a week (roundtrip) and it's the complete inaction of the authorities that does my head in the most, aside from the queueing & crawling on the stretch itself. I'd wear the hassle if they'd only give us a firm date when the scheme would start.

This from the Wicklow People last week:

"NEWS THAT vital upgrades on the N11 from Arklow to Rathnew will not go ahead despite the fact that funding has previously been allocated by the NRA and Department of Transport has been met with disgust at Wicklow County Council.

In a letter to Council management, the NRA stated that the tendering process must immediately cease and that works cannot proceed due to commitments to other projects which have already commenced.

'This is the second time that this has happened and now it will be 2020 before anything is done with the N11. Huge money has been spent by somebody on advertising and on consultants. Now this work has been deferred again and how much did that cost us? If it was another area it would have gone through already,' fumed Cllr. Jimmy O'Shaughnessy."

Feck's sake......

No money eh???

Here's an idea -

Let's cut back (I mean by at least 50%) on the salaries of all 166 TDs, Senior Civil Servants in the Government Departments, and especially, cancel all their excess pensions - noboby should be entitled to more than one pension! :mad:

Now, over the N11's design life of 20 years, how much money would the taxpayer save with the above measures!

We badly need a new political party!!! :mad:

Regards!

thedarkroom · 10-12-2008 2:06pm

"We badly need a new political party!!! :mad: Regards!

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Yeh! But who could you replace them with?? At this rate Homer Simpson looks to be the most competent option.

Aquavid · 10-12-2008 2:10pm

thedarkroom wrote: »

"We badly need a new political party!!! :mad:

Regards!"

Yeh! But who could you replace them with?? At this rate Homer Simpson looks to be the most competent option.

Woo Hoo! - Rathnew to Arklow monorail!

Seriously though, the number of times this project has been long-fingered, I'm wondering if there is some other political motive involved - did the people of Rathnew vote in the "wrong" person and need to be punished or something?

Aquavid

thedarkroom · 10-12-2008 2:23pm

Aquavid wrote: »

Woo Hoo! - Rathnew to Arklow monorail!

Seriously though, the number of times this project has been long-fingered, I'm wondering if there is some other political motive involved - did the people of Rathnew vote in the "wrong" person and need to be punished or something?

Aquavid

The Council were probably lobbied to leave it on the long finger so that out of frustration, drivers might be encouraged to divert off the N11 when they see the tail back and just might happen upon Rathnew where they will spend some cash. I can't think of any other reason for delaying it.
I know, I know,... that sounds stupid.
But so does delaying this stretch of road for any longer. I don't get it!

Sponge Bob · 10-12-2008 2:44pm

thedarkroom wrote: »

But so does delaying this stretch of road for any longer. I don't get it!

There is no money for it is the reason. The other reason is that Noel Dempsey believes that FF will not lose a seat in Wicklow or in Wexford either way . Therefore it is politically safe to cancel this project .

It will quite possibly go ahead some time in the next decade How soon depends on how effective the people of Wexford and of Wicklow are in expressing their demands to the government and to their local FFers .

Tarabuses · 10-12-2008 3:05pm

thedarkroom wrote: »

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Yeh! But who could you replace them with?? At this rate Homer Simpson looks to be the most competent option.

You must obviously support the current bunch of incompetents if you think no one else could do better.

thedarkroom · 10-12-2008 3:11pm

OK, here's a list to start on for Wexford: - Gorey and Wexford councillors. Anyone out there got the Wicklow list?
I think that anybody and everybody who is affected by this stretch of road, whether as a user or relative of user, a victim, etc. etc. should get in touch with their local councillor and push this.
Anyone out there any good at lobbying.

michael.darcy@finegael.ie
paul.kehoe@finegael.ie
lorcan.allen@wexfordcoco.ie
jimmy.fleming@wexfordcoco.ie
declan.macpartlin@wexfordcoco.ie
malcolm.byrne@hotmail.com
bernard.crosbie@wexfordcoco.ie
cllrrobertireton@vodafone.ie
inbox@colinwebb.com
kaygalway@hotmail.com (Kay O'Gorman)

thedarkroom · 10-12-2008 3:22pm

Tarabuses wrote: »

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You must obviously support the current bunch of incompetents if you think no one else could do better.

Certainly not. I would have respect for Malcolm Byrne in Gorey but his membership of Fianna Fáil lets him down. Only on this basis, would I question his power of judgement. He has done great work getting the train to Gorey and I'm sure he would be interested in this too.

Malcolm, if by some chance you are reading this, ditch the baggage and I would give you my No 1 in the next election. Otherwise, I could never vote for FF.

murphaph · 10-12-2008 8:06pm

Irish and Proud wrote: »

We badly need a new political party!!! :mad:

No, the irish people need to cop on and realise that every parish in the country can't have a hospital/university/jobs/etc. etc. and once that happens the political parties will realise they can make the brave decisions The problem is not so much the bloodsucking politicians who only exist (in the main, some exceptions) to feather their own nests. The irish public is basically totally stupid and ignorant of realities. The bloodsucking politicians won't tell them the truth for fear of the electorate turfing them out of their cushy numbers. Sorry for going OT.

loyatemu · 11-12-2008 1:08am

murphaph wrote: »

No, the irish people need to cop on and realise that every parish in the country can't have a hospital/university/jobs/etc. etc. and once that happens the political parties will realise they can make the brave decisions The problem is not so much the bloodsucking politicians who only exist (in the main, some exceptions) to feather their own nests. The irish public is basically totally stupid and ignorant of realities. The bloodsucking politicians won't tell them the truth for fear of the electorate turfing them out of their cushy numbers. Sorry for going OT.

this is going wildly off topic now, but what the hell, this road ain't gonna be built anytime soon so we might as well digress...

the multi-seat constituency system (along with over-representation at Dail level) positively encourages parish-pump politics. Most TDs are glorified county-councillors, looking over their shoulder because they might be stabbed in the back by their own party colleagues. They have no real participation in national politics, some have never even spoken in the Dail. If they do get elevated to ministerial level they frequently demonstrate staggering incompetence (though there are exceptions to this).

The Oireachtas in general is stuffed with overpaid, complacent, career-politicians who have no concept of what life is like for their constituents. I genuinely believe a new party advocating radical political reform could do very well.

(sorry... this should probably be in the politics forum)

Irish and Proud · 11-12-2008 12:25pm

thedarkroom wrote: »

Yeh! But who could you replace them with?? At this rate Homer Simpson looks to be the most competent option.

What we need is a party funded by ordinary people, not developers, speculators and other such vested interests...

...unless we do this, things will never change in this country. We, the people, need to stamp our authority on politicians and remind them who's boss!!!

Regards!

Quadra · 15-12-2008 9:45am

Credit to Cllr. Conal Kavanagh who ever he is - at least he seems to be representing the views of many on this board.

Still, will it make a blindest bit of difference..

Bray People last week:

"THE National Roads Authority and Department of Transport have been told they need to both seriously re-examine their road safety priorities after announcing that vital upgrades from the Beehive past Jack Whites on the N11 won't be going ahead.

Cllr. Conal Kavanagh feels that neither the NRA or the Department fully understand the safety concerns and issues which plague regular users of the road on a daily basis.

The tendering process was due to start either at the end of the year or beginning of next year but Wicklow County Council was told to halt the process due to commitments to other projects which had already commenced.

The single lane section from the Beehive just past Jack Whites remains the only uncompleted section of the N11.

'It's disappointing to say the least, but not surprising,' says Cllr. Kavanagh.

'There is a huge risk factor on that section of the road and now it isn't going to be remedied. People who use the road regularly, or who live adjacent to it are exposed to a great risk but no-one at the department or the NRA seems to appreciate the seriousness of the situation.'

Funding had been made available for the works a number of years ago, but was withdrawn and transferred to another project in Waterford instead.

Now there could be another wait of three to four years before any funding becomes available, while the NRA continue to push to upgrade parts of the N11 to motorway status.

'That would send out such a bad signal to bad drivers, especially going through Barndarrig,' insists Cllr. Kavanagh.

'The Department of Transport is so disorganised regarding the N11 and yet can't seem to see that dangerous link, which is very scary.

'Some sort of external examination needs to take place so they can get to the bottom of where the main priorities are for road safety issues in Ireland.'"

...or just allocate the flippin' money and get on with scheme, like.

tomflynn · 01-05-2009 2:41pm

Also - news just out as of April 29th - an additional PPP bundle

N11 Rathnew-Arklow and N7 Newlands Cross

http://www.wicklowpeople.ie/news/nra...d-1725173.html
http://www.dickroche.com/article.php?sid=1127

A new round of PPPs represent the government/NRA priorities. In addition to this announcement there are four other previously announced PPP bundles:
N11 Enniscorthy-Gorey and N25 New Ross
M20 North (including N21 Adare bypass)
M20 South (including Cork Northern Ring Road)
N17/N18 Gort-Tuam

N25/M20/N17/N18 is the Atlantic Road Corridor - the main priority after the Inter Urban Motorways are completed.

thedarkroom · 01-05-2009 2:51pm

That's good news, at long last but as the other councillors said in the article, I'll believe it when I see it. Public Private Partnership??? Dubious, I would be sceptical about the statement re toll roads.

Chris_533976 · 01-05-2009 5:55pm

PPP #5 seems to be N7 Newlands and N11 Arklow - Rathnew. Interesting.

If so, this should be bumped ahead of M17/18 as it has become absolutely the most important roads project, and possibly the most important transport project, in the country.

PoolDude · 26-05-2009 7:03pm

Does anyone have any expected timelines for this process?

Chris_533976 · 26-05-2009 8:02pm

I read somewhere that they're planning construction to start in late 2010. Take whatever you want from that, knowing this country

Seems that this will be the first of the Five PPPs to go to construction though.

first timer · 29-05-2009 6:04pm

Well at least there moving on this project be a long time yet though

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAY118733

mollypop · 21-06-2009 3:10pm

Does anyone have a map for the proposed route including exits? I can't find one anywhere!

iwo · 24-08-2009 10:48am

Hi, Any update on this road between arklow and wicklow? I drive riverchapel - bray everyday

It would be nice to drive just on motorway, this narrow road makes me mad sometimes... trucks etc. I have read something on official web but they do not specify what is going on. Thanks

murphaph · 24-08-2009 1:44pm

iwo wrote: »

Hi, Any update on this road between arklow and wicklow? I drive riverchapel - bray everyday It would be nice to drive just on motorway, this narrow road makes me mad sometimes... trucks etc. I have read something on official web but they do not specify what is going on. Thanks

Read back through this thread for details but basically this gap will be closed by a motorway (or close enough) scheme in the coming years. It will be built as part of a Public Private Partnership deal. The land has been purchased and fenced off for some time but even if construction began tomorrow (which it won't), it would be a couple of years before it opened. probably be late 2012 before this opens if everything runs smoothly. I agree it needs sorting and is a gaping hole in the network.

serfboard · 24-08-2009 4:45pm

murphaph wrote: »

The land has been purchased and fenced off for some time but even if construction began tomorrow (which it won't), it would be a couple of years before it opened. probably be late 2012 before this opens if everything runs smoothly. I agree it needs sorting and is a gaping hole in the network.

For God's sake, get this built quickly. How many more people have to die on this stretch of road before the new one is built?

Chris_533976 · 24-08-2009 7:40pm

IF everything goes well with the Arklew-Rathnew/Newlands PPP then the contract will be signed in October 2011. Thats two full years, and expect it to slip into 2012 knowing this country.

And thats if things go well.

PoolDude · 22-09-2009 8:54am

Think I saw what your talking about this morning - there was a bulldozer about half way between the end of the Arklow bypass and Jack Whites - good catch, I wonder whats going on.

Quadra · 04-11-2009 8:34am

It's hard to find any info on progress, but seems like there are 5 groups in the PPP bid for the N11 upgrade.

The journal is secured content - you have to be registered to access (and I'm not):

Five to bid for Ireland's N11 road PPP
15 Oct 2009 - The project also includes the development of the N11 Gorey North Service Area, as well as an additional 31km ... Transactions. N11 Arklow-Rathnew PPP» ...
www.ijonline.com/genv2/Secured/DisplayArticle.aspx?articleID... - Similar

If anyone has any better intel, please post.

Tech3 · 09-02-2010 12:54am

I have yet to see consortia interested in constructing the N11 Arklow-Rathnew/Newlands X scheme. I dont remember the NRA announcing a shortlist for it yet whereas the other PPP Gort-Tuam seems to be progressing ok so far in the PPP process. Also worth noting the N11 is meant to start only a few months after the M17/M18

Road-Hog · 09-02-2010 9:51am

tech2 wrote: »

I have yet to see consortia interested in constructing the N11 Arklow-Rathnew/Newlands X scheme. I dont remember the NRA announcing a shortlist for it yet whereas the other PPP Gort-Tuam seems to be progressing ok so far in the PPP process. Also worth noting the N11 is meant to start only a few months after the M17/M18

As far as I know the tendering process is well underway, 5 Consortia have made submissions which are presently being assessed. The 5 will be narrowed down to two shortly and these two will battle it out for the BAFO, most likely roadbridge/sisk will get it.........there may not be any earth moved this year but from what I hear early 2011 should see this project commence

crusheenman · 15-04-2010 3:18pm

Hi, Does anyone know who is in the running for this project? what are the companies in the running? International or Irish? any idea on start date or where about it is at, is it defo going ahead?? Will it start before the m17/18?? sorry for so many questions!!

123easy · 16-04-2010 7:49pm

crusheenman wrote: »

Hi, Does anyone know who is in the running for this project? what are the companies in the running? International or Irish? any idea on start date or where about it is at, is it defo going ahead?? Will it start before the m17/18?? sorry for so many questions!!

the spaniards from galway are giving it a lash so i believe

Quadra · 22-04-2010 7:51am

This from Reuters Spain, via Google Translate:

"Globalvía Consortium, highway project finalist for Ireland

MADRID, April 20 (Reuters) - A consortium involving the Globalvía motorway company said Tuesday it has been selected as one of two finalists for the construction of the motorway N11 Arklow - Rathnew in Ireland.

"This project comprises 48 km of double lane highway of which are 16 kilometers of new road construction. Additionally, it includes the improvement and expansion of an intersection on the outskirts of Dublin," said the company owned by FCC (FCC MC) and Caja Madrid in a press release.

The consortium consists of the very Globalvía, Australia's Macquarie, the Irish P. Elliot, and Wills Bros. Jons

Globalvía did not quantify the project and would only say that the Irish State will pay a fee for availability at dealers and that the period of operation of the road is 25 years."

Sponge Bob · 22-04-2010 8:12am

I wonder when the NRA will announce it ??

crusheenman · 22-04-2010 8:21am

What is the name of this group? never heard of any of them except for Wills? (who are Working very well on Gort bypass).

L1011 · 22-04-2010 8:22am

Willis, Jons and Elliot in one consortium? I'd guess one/some of them would do Newlands and the others the N11; a JV with three Irish firms and the Spaniards could only get messy.

Jons did the Newcastle Road grade seperation on the N4 so NX would be up their street I guess.

Tech3 · 22-04-2010 9:39am

Wills will plough through the N11 scheme, it has been said before but going forward Wills Bros. and Roadbridge are the best two road construction companies in this country that will get a scheme done on time and under budget.

It's not announced yet but these two look to be rewarded for the good work they have shown in recent schemes. Roadbridge for the M17/M18 and Wills for the M11 (hopefully

)?

Roryhy · 22-04-2010 9:40am

MYOB wrote: »

Willis, Jons and Elliot in one consortium? I'd guess one/some of them would do Newlands and the others the N11; a JV with three Irish firms and the Spaniards could only get messy.

Jons did the Newcastle Road grade seperation on the N4 so NX would be up their street I guess.

Builders are all Irish, just foreign finance by the looks of it. Shouldnt be a problem IMO.

Chris_5339762 · 22-04-2010 9:46am

Hopefully Wills will work on the N11 gap, since they're getting the M18 section done in 18 months they should fly this one as again its an easy enough scheme without any major bridges over rivers, etc.

Newlands will take 18-24 months probably due to the amount of re-routing that'll have to go on.

Sponge Bob · 22-04-2010 10:21am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Hopefully Wills will work on the N11 gap,

Wills and Roadbridge will hopefully make the shortlist.

It is of strategic national importance that competent contracting teams like those in Wills and Roadbridge are kept ticking over for the next 3-5 years .

123easy · 22-04-2010 6:09pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Hopefully Wills will work on the N11 gap, since they're getting the M18 section done in 18 months they should fly this one as again its an easy enough scheme without any major bridges over rivers, etc.

Newlands will take 18-24 months probably due to the amount of re-routing that'll have to go on.

the M11 A-R has lots of on line sections which will make it a awkward.

Everybody seems to be forgetting about Siac when they mention Wills. IMO they are the brains. I wouldnt put wills & roadbridge in the same league thats overcooking the turkey a little!

Jons done a very good job on the N4 at Lucan. Not to sure what Elliots know about roads but they are well run building contractor

crusheenman · 26-04-2010 9:43am

For sure its a Siac/wills JV on N18 Gort, but theres is very little siac presence around, i've dont think i cant recall seeing 1 siac machine around or even siac employees! - Wills are the guys that are doing all the big work and it is credit to them how they did it so fast. I believe siac construct the bridges and wills build the road. Sorry 123easy but i think Road bridge and Wills would be the best guys to Build roads (M11 and M17/18)

Ban Ki Moon · 26-04-2010 11:47pm

I have been working with eurolink for the past 7 years and they seem very confident in getting the N11 job;) They are already referring to it as the south-east link

The Word Is Bor · 27-04-2010 2:29pm

Ban Ki Moon wrote: »

I have been working with eurolink for the past 7 years and they seem very confident in getting the N11 job;) They are already referring to it as the south-east link

That confidence would appear to be misplaced.

crusheenman · 27-04-2010 11:06pm

Ban Ki Moon wrote: »

I have been working with eurolink for the past 7 years and they seem very confident in getting the N11 job;) They are already referring to it as the south-east link

I think eurolink are elimiated from selection?? can anybody confirm..? Ascon and Wills Consortium (gastro??) are selected, word on the ground anyhow..

PoolDude · 03-05-2010 10:23am

Anybody know when the decision is being made on the Arklow - Rathnew section and likely construction commencing?

Road-Hog · 04-05-2010 8:47am

PoolDude wrote: »

Anybody know when the decision is being made on the Arklow - Rathnew section and likely construction commencing?

Jan 2015.......:D Have heard decision to be made before end of year with construction possible starting early in 2011.

motorwaycrazy · 04-05-2010 2:37pm

Just read a bit on who can build what.

we are blessed with some good home grown companies who have largely built most of the roads in this country even with foreign companies coming to the market.

Siac, Wills, Roadbridge, Bam civil. They are all capable of building these roads that are left on the PLAN. Coffey, graham, Hegarty can all build roads too. like tullamore, dunleer to dundalk and nenagh to limerick, finglas bypass and galway to ballinaloe.

When it comes to big earthmoving projects though BAM, roadbridge and wills are the top in the country. With Howley going down another player was lost in the earthmoving market. Does anyone know who bought all his equipment?

cant wait for rathnew to arklow its a piece of the n11 jigsaw that has been put on the back burner. what a pity.

motorwaycrazy · 04-05-2010 2:51pm

123 easy,

your right elliott just a builder, never done a road before in my lifetime anyway. with the buildings gone they need the work. never worked for them but they will probably do a few bridges.

Wills a master earthmover and one of the biggest fleets in ireland. No messing with them

jons are an established civil engineering contractor who constructed the n3 blanchardstown junction on the m50 in the mid 90's, that was a massive project, also they have done road jobs in waterford, carlow and the dromod roosky scheme in roscommon. also they built the abbeyfeale road through the hills to castleisland a few years ago. great bridge builders too. they also have an earthworks fleet too.

Sometimes having more partners spreads the risk accross the project so you never know.

Great to hear that consortium news. does anyone know who the next consortium is. It will probably be Bam civil ( Ascon) They could do it all on their own.

motorwaycrazy · 04-05-2010 2:54pm

roadbridge and wills... 2 earthmovers ...... You need a partner that can horse out the bridges thats where siac or a sisk comes in with the above earthmovers.

roadbridge and wills are in direct competition with each other

motorwaycrazy · 04-05-2010 3:26pm

Sorry but what is the M11 GAP. newlands cross I know but the n11 gap i dont. can someone fill me in.

Possible 3rd lane for bray shankhill and through kilmacanogue, whata joke they just finished the glen o the downs and kilmac. whata waste of money. let it flow as normal and give the money to roads that actually need bypasses.

as one of the persons said. its people who cannot drive in built up junctions etc and cant merge properly, drive accross chevron strips and not having enough speed built up when exiting and merging that cause tailbacks etc.

n11 is a busy corridor but lets give it a few years. you can imahine he commuters who put up with ashford bypass, geln o the downs and m50 seeing road works all over again. give them some respite.

great thread guys

M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

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