TII Motorway Service Areas (MSA) Progress Thread

jd · 20-03-2015 5:55pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

There are no collisions reported at those junctions according to the map on the rsa website
http://rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/Our-Research/Ireland-Road-Collisions/

The road is 100 because WCC never applied to increase the speed limit on the dual carriageway section.

But we've digressed now from the thread's point a lot.

Yip sorry, that option was available (to increase speed to 120) even though road was not motorway, but option isn't taken very often.
I'll hobble back to the n11 threads now

L1011 · 20-03-2015 6:17pm

There aren't many options to take it, and most have

rameire · 20-03-2015 8:47pm

Reuben1210 wrote: »

Do you have any [ictures of the progress? are they going to be as good quality as an online facility, like the M11 service area in Wicklow? or more like Cahir?

here be the video of me driving past the site today,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci1R6KIZzxE

road_high · 21-03-2015 1:34am

Wish they just finish already and pull back that bloody barrier etc. Crazy to think they couldn't have built this flyover with the M9 five years, which surely would have been far cheaper and less disruptive. Another example of zero foresight in the place but I suppose we are lucky the road itself was even built in hindsight.

spacetweek · 03-04-2015 9:15pm

Can someone let me know exactly where the M11 Gorey Motorway service area is being built? Is it on the part that bypasses Gorey or somewhere to the north?

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-04-2015 10:43pm

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spacetweek · 04-04-2015 9:37pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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Thanks but I've never driven through the area so I don't know what it looks like. Is it near the village of Inch?

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-04-2015 9:46pm

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jd · 04-04-2015 9:55pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Thanks but I've never driven through the area so I don't know what it looks like. Is it near the village of Inch?

Ballyellin, not too far from Inch

Current Google Streetview is from October 2014 and shows work in progress

https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.748885,-6.202086,3a,75y,259.1h,70.69t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srVa-Kdw9Sb14uhwOorEYjw!2e0?hl=en

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-04-2015 10:01pm

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jd · 04-04-2015 10:04pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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https://www.google.ie/maps/@52.748562,-6.202953,901m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

OldMrBrennan83 · 04-04-2015 10:06pm

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rameire · 08-07-2015 6:49pm

Cones have been placed northbound and southbound on the M9 at the new services slips, also signs indicating hard shoulders are closed.

Hopefully this will be the start of the construction of the actual services.

rameire · 11-07-2015 8:21pm

rameire wrote: »

Cones have been placed northbound and southbound on the M9 at the new services slips, also signs indicating hard shoulders are closed.

Hopefully this will be the start of the construction of the actual services.

False alarm, cones are gone and grass has been cut.

annfield1978 · 15-07-2015 7:09pm

NRA have appointed consultants to develop Tranche 4 Service Areas

· M3 (between Jct 4 and Jct 7) – Clonee to Blundlestown
· M18 (between Jct 7 and Jct 12) – Sixmilebridge to Ennis
· M6 (between Jct 17 and Jct 19) -Athenry to Oranmore

and bring individual schemes through site selection, prelim design and EIS/ Oral Hearing Stages

Chris_5339762 · 15-07-2015 9:07pm

STILL no official services for the Dublin - Cork corridor, just a random selection of crap/only-ok private operators.

D Trent · 15-07-2015 9:21pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

NRA have appointed consultants to develop Tranche 4 Service Areas

· M3 (between Jct 4 and Jct 7) – Clonee to Blundlestown
· M18 (between Jct 7 and Jct 12) – Sixmilebridge to Ennis
· M6 (between Jct 17 and Jct 19) -Athenry to Oranmore

and bring individual schemes through site selection, prelim design and EIS/ Oral Hearing Stages

What does tranche 4 mean again ?

L1011 · 15-07-2015 9:28pm

D Trent wrote: »

What does tranche 4 mean again ?

4th batch.

Reuben1210 · 15-07-2015 9:49pm

Which was tranche 3?i thought gorey/athlone/m9 service area were tranche 2?

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-07-2015 10:13pm

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marmurr1916 · 15-07-2015 10:18pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

STILL no official services for the Dublin - Cork corridor, just a random selection of crap/only-ok private operators.

What's wrong with Jct 14 services near Monasterevin?

There's a couple of new offline, non-official MSAs in the pipeline too.

We don't need gold-plated facilities - a place to piss, ****, eat and get some fuel does the job.

Geogregor · 15-07-2015 10:56pm

marmurr1916 wrote: »

What's wrong with Jct 14 services near Monasterevin?

There's a couple of new offline, non-official MSAs in the pipeline too.

We don't need gold-plated facilities - a place to piss, ****, eat and get some fuel does the job.

Some consistent signage of services (as long as they fulfil some minimum criteria) on the mainline would help a lot.

marno21 · 15-07-2015 11:38pm

marmurr1916 wrote: »

What's wrong with Jct 14 services near Monasterevin?

There's a couple of new offline, non-official MSAs in the pipeline too.

We don't need gold-plated facilities - a place to piss, ****, eat and get some fuel does the job.

J14 isn't online (not giving out about that tho), and is almost 200km from Cork.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-07-2015 7:04am

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secman · 16-07-2015 7:22am

Patww79 wrote: »

Trees are going to end up growing again on the Gorey site before they get around to getting it bloody open. How long is that fuel price sign up now? Must be nearly a year.

The Gorey site will be a Topaz station, they have yet to do a fit out on the site. The fit out could probably be done in about 6 weeks once they give the go ahead.

tylercheribini · 16-07-2015 12:03pm

secman wrote: »

The Gorey site will be a Topaz station, they have yet to do a fit out on the site. The fit out could probably be done in about 6 weeks once they give the go ahead.

Where did you get your info about it being a topaz? Presumably the fast food will be supermacs then?

jd · 16-07-2015 12:07pm

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/m11-services-wont-open-until-end-of-year-31255634.html

Sources say that Topaz has been identified as the preferred company to take the tender for the premises, but it has until early July to agree to take on the project.
It could then be another six months before the service station is fitted out, approved, and ready to open, meaning it will be the end of 2015, or early 2016 before the first customers walk through the doors.

spacetweek · 16-07-2015 12:16pm

annfield1978 wrote: »

NRA have appointed consultants to develop Tranche 4 Service Areas

· M3 (between Jct 4 and Jct 7) – Clonee to Blundlestown
· M18 (between Jct 7 and Jct 12) – Sixmilebridge to Ennis
· M6 (between Jct 17 and Jct 19) -Athenry to Oranmore

and bring individual schemes through site selection, prelim design and EIS/ Oral Hearing Stages

Source?

veryangryman · 16-07-2015 12:39pm

Moate sliproads largely built and the 1-lane thing now gone.

D Trent · 16-07-2015 3:12pm

veryangryman wrote: »

Moate sliproads largely built and the 1-lane thing now gone.

Has been for the last month ...

veryangryman · 16-07-2015 7:57pm

D Trent wrote: »

Has been for the last month ...

Just saying what I see when I see it. Didn't see other updates on this so I posted it up.

Chris_5339762 · 16-07-2015 9:18pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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...and yet it is the best and most successful on the Dublin - Cork corridor.

Manor Stone near M8 J3 is too small (its full already on Sundays) and lets not even talk about Cashel.

yachtsman · 16-08-2015 10:16am

Any information on the construction/land costs of the new MSS junction at M6. Athlone. Is it tapping into any local roads. Personally I'd have thought Moore between j13 and J14 Roscommon side would have been better seeing as there is a community, existing over bridge and new regional Garda Station there. And it has one of the longest distance between two junctions in the country.

Carawaystick · 16-08-2015 10:52pm

yachtsman wrote: »

Any information on the construction/land costs of the new MSS junction at M6. Athlone. Is it tapping into any local roads. Personally I'd have thought Moore between j13 and J14 Roscommon side would have been better seeing as there is a community, existing over bridge and new regional Garda Station there. And it has one of the longest distance between two junctions in the country.

They're not allowed have access from local roads, except for staff access.

D Trent · 16-08-2015 11:38pm

yachtsman wrote: »

Any information on the construction/land costs of the new MSS junction at M6. Athlone. Is it tapping into any local roads. Personally I'd have thought Moore between j13 and J14 Roscommon side would have been better seeing as there is a community, existing over bridge and new regional Garda Station there. And it has one of the longest distance between two junctions in the country.

Garda Station ??

yachtsman · 17-08-2015 9:01am

Yes a new GS was opened a few years ago at Clonark about half way between Athlone and Ballinasloe on the old N6.

ongarboy · 17-08-2015 9:29am

yachtsman wrote: »

Any information on the construction/land costs of the new MSS junction at M6. Athlone. Is it tapping into any local roads. Personally I'd have thought Moore between j13 and J14 Roscommon side would have been better seeing as there is a community, existing over bridge and new regional Garda Station there. And it has one of the longest distance between two junctions in the country.

This could delay things at Athlone and two other MSSs earmarked.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/applegreen-tedcastles-challenge-topaz-motorway-contracts-1.2317441

spacetweek · 17-08-2015 3:02pm

yachtsman wrote: »

Yes a new GS was opened a few years ago at Clonark about half way between Athlone and Ballinasloe on the old N6.

What does that have to do with it?
They wouldn't be allowed access the motorway using the service area.

D Trent · 17-08-2015 5:44pm

ongarboy wrote: »

This could delay things at Athlone and two other MSSs earmarked.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/applegreen-tedcastles-challenge-topaz-motorway-contracts-1.2317441

Brilliant I hope Applegreen win the challenge
I can't bring myself to forking out on Topaz coffee prices it's disgraceful

Dardania · 17-08-2015 6:04pm

ongarboy wrote: »

This could delay things at Athlone and two other MSSs earmarked.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/applegreen-tedcastles-challenge-topaz-motorway-contracts-1.2317441

I saw the specs for tranche 1, at the time, and in fairness they are a minefeld of contradictory terms - will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Also interesting Superstop 2 is Tedcastle, and not Top...anyone know who D&B partner is (or are they not including a D&B partner this time after the Pierse experience?)

rameire · 17-08-2015 8:51pm

I Inquired in July about time frames for the start of the build and got this response today.

I wish to advise that the tender/contract award process for the appointment of a contractor/operator for this service area is being finalised, however there is not yet definitive timescales. The preferred tenderer is Topaz Energy Group Ltd.

Hope it starts soon.

Carawaystick · 17-08-2015 11:53pm

Dardania wrote: »

Also interesting Superstop 2 is Tedcastle, and not Top...anyone know who D&B partner is (or are they not including a D&B partner this time after the Pierse experience?)

Isn't the T in Top not Tedcastles ( Oil products)?

yachtsman · 18-08-2015 10:14am

My reference to GS access was made in the context of my original suggestion that this MSS should have been at Moore where local access is required. However it seems from another reply that an MSS is precluded from serving local roads so forget my suggestion. it's academic anyway.

Has anyone any idea of the cost of a typical MSS junction such as the recently completed one at Athlone. including land and construction costs excluding the MSS itself. Are these subject to cost benefit analysis and are these available. I thought all such investment is subject to cba.

Quadrature · 21-08-2015 12:57pm

That unofficial Midway place in Portlaoise would be ideal if it could get a major coffee brand on board.

Mostly all I want is a decent coffee and maybe a sandwich or a cake halfway between Cork & Dublin. I don't generally want a major feed and I doubt I'm exceptional.

Fuel would probably be handy for some too!

Carawaystick · 21-08-2015 2:18pm

Ah Midway, the best marketing brand ever.
93km from Dublin and 177km from Cork...

L1011 · 21-08-2015 2:26pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Ah Midway, the best marketing brand ever.
93km from Dublin and 177km from Cork...

Rather a lot closer to halfway between Dublin and Limerick though. And it is on the road to Limerick.

D Trent · 21-08-2015 2:42pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

Ah Midway, the best marketing brand ever.
93km from Dublin and 177km from Cork...

It's not on the Cork motorway though is it?

It's on the Limerick motorway

Carawaystick · 21-08-2015 3:28pm

It's not on any motorway, its beside the motorway, on what was the road to Cork from Portlaoise, before the Portlaoise bypass was built.
And Quadrature was talking about a journey from Cork to Dublin.

Quadrature · 21-08-2015 3:41pm

Halfway between Cork and Newry.

marmurr1916 · 22-08-2015 10:47pm

Carawaystick wrote: »

It's not on any motorway, its beside the motorway, on what was the road to Cork from Portlaoise, before the Portlaoise bypass was built.
And Quadrature was talking about a journey from Cork to Dublin.

Was it named Midway when it was on the N8 (i.e. before the Portlaoise bypass was built)? Assuming it was built before the completion of the Portlaoise bypass...

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