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M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

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  • #7202
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,234 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Middle Man wrote: »
    I have this to say:

    English is the spoken language in this country and as a citizen thereof, I expect the signage to be worded accordingly. Yes, keeping the Irish language alive is a good thing and should be promoted where practical, but doing so at the expense of the majority who speak English is not acceptable. We expect foreign nationals who settle here to learn English and quite rightly so, but why should Irish speakers not have to compromise and accommodate the language that is spoken by the majority. English wording should be mandatory for all road signage where written communication is required.

    Of course there's an English Sign, it's just not visible in that photo!

    Having the sign only in Irish would be absurd.


  • #7203
    red bull
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭red bull


    marno21 wrote: »
    Next exit 2km

    ROSCOMMON
    CLAREGALWAY
    ABBEYKNOCKMOY
    MOUNTBELLEW
    TURLOUGHMORE
    CORROFIN
    BALLYGLUNIN
    MONIVEA

    How tall would you say that sign would be? How would it be safe for drivers to read all that at 120km/h?

    I agree Abbeyknockmoy should be on the list. But Roscommon (N63 terminal destination), Claregalway (R354 terminal destination) & Abbeyknockmoy (closest settlement on N63) should be signed. Not all these villages that are barely signposted from the N63 anyway and would have very little traffic.
    Agreed


  • #7204
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Middle Man wrote: »
    Fieldsman wrote: »
    Pathetic is right Joedomvince. There probably hoping that 1 or 2 % of drivers might be able to read it
    I have this to say:

    English is the spoken language in this country and as a citizen thereof, I expect the signage to be worded accordingly.  Yes, keeping the Irish language alive is a good thing and should be promoted where practical, but doing so at the expense of the majority who speak English is not acceptable.  We expect foreign nationals who settle here to learn English and quite rightly so, but why should Irish speakers not have to compromise and accommodate the language that is spoken by the majority.  English wording should be mandatory for all road signage where written communication is required.
    I have this to say about Irish and the M17: Irish is legally our national language, with English secondary. Not only is the Irish language a cornerstone of our unique cultural identity, it is a language that is alive and kicking, both in a cultural and legal sense, spoken daily across our country. The fact that English is more widely spoken does not diminish the right of Irish speakers (and every Irish citizen) to receive state services in Irish instead of English - especially on a motorway serving a Gaeltacht. Expecting a speaker of our national language to give up their rights seems wrong to me, and there would (rightly) be uproar if that was demanded of us English speakers.


  • #7205
    bagels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bagels


    godskitchen wrote: »
    Some would argue it has always been and will continue to be after the bypass. It's more than a road can fix. :-)
    f2 wrote: »
    But at least you can leave the town quicker
    marno21 wrote: »
    Or not enter the town at all.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    ....or ate the people in that part of Galway considered a bit backward.

    What utopias do you people imagine you've originated from or dwell in?


  • #7206
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    Colour would probably be a better way to distinguish languages, but people would find something else to complain about then. If anything, lower case fonts are easier to read than words written all upper-case. So, I've never really understood that complaint.


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  • #7207
    f2
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭f2


    bagels wrote: »
    What utopias do you people imagine you've originated from or dwell in?
    Perfection is far from where I live, but perhaps common sense could be installed in the minds of the people charged with planning, progression of the city!!


  • #7208
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's another (old) thread, where road signs have been discussed in detail, but it appears that the proposed design change was scrapped, probably because of the recession at the time.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057078598


  • #7209
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Distance signs form tuam to the coolough roundabout, the mountpotter roundaboutIMAG2274_zpsrzbzykv8.jpg1km form the kilmore roundaboutIMAG3269_zpsdaxjw7n1.jpgannagh hillIMAG3662_zps9vplzlfv.jpgrathmorrissyIMAG2753_zpsy460mbsb.jpg3kms form the coolough roundaboutIMAG2367_zps6cxmpa5i.jpg


  • #7210
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The m18 at parkvetva looking towards rathmorrissy 17/09/17IMAG2352_zpsk0htq11m.jpglooking towards gortIMAG2353_zps1q2tojce.jpg


  • #7211
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The flyover at owenbristy on the m18 12/02/162017-09-12_12-37-47_zpsmjhy0mrs.jpg17/09/17IMAG2382_zpsq8o4t3pr.jpg


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  • #7212
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The m18 at parknacuappuil looking towards gort 17/09/17IMAG2345_zpslcofg4hi.jpgparknacuappuil looking towards rathmorrissyIMAG2344_zpslo8dtacj.jpg


  • #7213
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    M6 eastbound closed from Coolagh roundabout to J19 nightly from 9pm-6am for the next 4 nights

    Signage changes?


  • #7214
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    marno21 wrote: »
    M6 eastbound closed from Coolagh roundabout to J19 nightly from 9pm-6am for the next 4 nights

    Signage changes?
    Have they issued an updated road closure order for the M18 to allow for resurfacing and removal of the barriers? The only order I've come across is from when the road was supposed to open in October.


  • #7215
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Have they issued an updated road closure order for the M18 to allow for resurfacing and removal of the barriers? The only order I've come across is from when the road was supposed to open in October.

    M18 Limerick/Galway Rd is closed northbound for works from between J15 Crusheen and J16 Gort until Friday (22nd). Diversions will be in place via the old Crusheen/Gort Rd (R458).


  • #7216
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    marno21 wrote: »
    M6 eastbound closed from Coolagh roundabout to J19 nightly from 9pm-6am for the next 4 nights

    Signage changes?

    Here are the signs that are to be replacedIMAG2385_zpsyxuyjabi.jpg2IMAG2386_zpsreiwpst5.jpg3IMAG2387_zpsqexbv117.jpg4IMAG2388_zpsjogzqkit.jpg5IMAG2389_zpslpts1fb2.jpg6IMAG2390_zpsem1oka7x.jpg


  • #7217
    bagels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bagels


    f2 wrote: »
    But at least you can leave the town quicker
    bagels wrote: »
    What utopias do you people imagine you've originated from or dwell in?
    f2 wrote: »
    Perfection is far from where I live, but perhaps common sense could be installed in the minds of the people charged with planning, progression of the city!!

    I assumed you f2, like some others here, were passing a snide remark about the town I live in. If my assumption is wrong then I apologise to you.


  • #7218
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The m18 at carvandoora looking towards gort 19/09/17IMAG2351_zpslzbwymdw.jpgcarvandoora looking towards rathmorrissyIMAG2350_zpsegsky5h9.jpg


  • #7219
    muddle84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Middle Man wrote: »
    Fieldsman wrote: »
    Pathetic is right Joedomvince. There probably hoping that 1 or 2 % of drivers might be able to read it
    I have this to say:

    English is the spoken language in this country and as a citizen thereof, I expect the signage to be worded accordingly.  Yes, keeping the Irish language alive is a good thing and should be promoted where practical, but doing so at the expense of the majority who speak English is not acceptable.  We expect foreign nationals who settle here to learn English and quite rightly so, but why should Irish speakers not have to compromise and accommodate the language that is spoken by the majority.  English wording should be mandatory for all road signage where written communication is required.

    If you do not like the sign that is in our native language, then read the one in English. How is having one in both language's at the expense of the other?


  • #7220
    Middle Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    muddle84 wrote: »
    If you do not like the sign that is in our native language, then read the one in English. How is having one in both language's at the expense of the other?

    Where's the English reference to Claregalway???


  • #7221
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    muddle84 wrote: »
    If you do not like the sign that is in our native language, then read the one in English. How is having one in both language's at the expense of the other?

    There are eleven official languages in South Africa, should each language have its own sign? No of course not.

    The vast majority of their population speak English so signs should be in English same applies here.


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  • #7222
    westtip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Which Airport are those a sign too? Shannon or Knock, bearing in mind Galway airport is closed! BTW thanks once again for all the hard work put into posting these photo's up, they truly are beautiful, as you know from the Western Rail Corridor threads, this new motorway at long last is the final death knell of the Rail Corridor argument, and hopefully we will see lots of cars with bikes on the back of them using this motorway having used the Western Rail Trail from Enniskillen to Athenry on the route of the closed railway. This motorway is truly brilliant now lets see the section to Sligo built and after that from Sligo to the Bundoran by-pass this is what will inject economic activity into the west.


  • #7223
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    muddle84 wrote: »
    If you do not like the sign that is in our native language, then read the one in English. How is having one in both language's at the expense of the other?

    There are eleven official languages in South Africa, should each language have its own sign? No of course not.

    The vast majority of their population speak English so signs should be in English same applies here.

    Actually, in South Africa signs tend to alternate between English and Afrikaans. At least in the areas I've been to. Regardless, Ireland is not South Africa. We have two languages, just like Canada. It makes perfect sense to have Irish road signs and English roads signs on every motorway (including the M17).

    As for the Claregalway/Baile Chláir question raised in another post, under Irish law there is no town along the M17 officially known as Claregalway. The Irish version of the name is the only legally recognised name. This is compatible with our constitution, which puts Irish pre-eminent over English.


  • #7224
    Roadfan
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Roadfan


    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Actually, in South Africa signs tend to alternate between English and Afrikaans. At least in the areas I've been to. Regardless, Ireland is not South Africa. We have two languages, just like Canada. It makes perfect sense to have Irish road signs and English roads signs on every motorway (including the M17).

    As for the Claregalway/Baile Chláir question raised in another post, under Irish law there is no town along the M17 officially known as Claregalway. The Irish version of the name is the only legally recognised name. This is compatible with our constitution, which puts Irish pre-eminent over English.

    Ok so that's the law but a bit of common sense should prevail. Travelled that route yesterday and sign at entrance to Claregalway is in both languages . Shouldn't need a constitutional referendum to allow signs to be put up referring to a place as it's commonly known


  • #7225
    gordongekko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    If I'm at the roundabout at the Galway clinic. Where is the nearest entrance to this road. Do I head out the dublin motorway or do I go down the current limerick Road?


  • #7226
    muddle84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I
    Middle Man wrote: »
    muddle84 wrote: »
    If you do not like the sign that is in our native language, then read the one in English. How is having one in both language's at the expense of the other?

    Where's the English reference to Claregalway???
    I'm referring to the motorway rules sign in Tuam. Claregalway is in the Gaeltacht so it doesn't need a English reference, but I see your point with regard to Claregalway. I don't agree with it but that's just my opinion, maybe its a biased one due to my views on the Irish language.


  • #7227
    muddle84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    gordongekko wrote: »
    If I'm at the roundabout at the Galway clinic.  Where is the nearest entrance to this road.  Do I head out the dublin motorway or do I go down the current limerick Road?
    Head out the M6 Dublin motorway, the intersection with the new motorway is approximately 10km out the M6.


  • #7228
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    gordongekko wrote: »
    If I'm at the roundabout at the Galway clinic. Where is the nearest entrance to this road. Do I head out the dublin motorway or do I go down the current limerick Road?

    Head out the dublin motorway for 12kms then you come to rathmorrissy this is where Ireland's biggest roundabout will be just eight days to opening roll on


  • #7229
    Middle Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    muddle84 wrote: »
    I

    I'm referring to the motorway rules sign in Tuam. Claregalway is in the Gaeltacht so it doesn't need a English reference, but I see your point with regard to Claregalway. I don't agree with it but that's just my opinion, maybe its a biased one due to my views on the Irish language.
    Well as long as the motorway rules are also in English, then that's OK - thought it might be another one of those Gaeltacht things.

    Don't get me wrong - I do like the Irish language, but it has been misused as a status symbol and also as a key to priviledge over others - for example, so many high profile TDs are teachers and that's due to the requirement to learn Irish.


  • #7230
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    The m18 at turloughtrassa looking towards rathmorrissy 19/09/17IMAG2348_zpsava172dq.jpgturloughtrassa looking towards gortIMAG2349_zpsyxypze4a.jpg


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  • #7231
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    westtip wrote: »
    Which Airport are those a sign too? Shannon or Knock,
    ... or Sligo, since that's what it appears to say (in the last photo at least)?

    That is one easily fixable part of road signage standards. Eg.

    428283.png


  • #7232
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭plodder


    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    As for the Claregalway/Baile Chláir question raised in another post, under Irish law there is no town along the M17 officially known as Claregalway. The Irish version of the name is the only legally recognised name. This is compatible with our constitution, which puts Irish pre-eminent over English.
    On that point, the provision you refer to doesn't have any practical effect in this context, as the constitution also allows for either English or Irish to be used exclusively for any purpose. So, it's just a matter of legislation, that it's the way it is, rather than it being baked into the constitution.


  • #7233
    Fozzie Bear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Fozzie Bear


    Had to use the old road from Crusheen up to Gort today because of the M18 north shut down.

    It really brought home just how crap the old road is/was when compared to the M18. We really were a seriously backward country when that was the standard of our main roads a decade ago. It is a shockingly bad twisty road in places.
    Tourists most have been absolutely stunned when they had to drive it while stuck behind a tractor...

    I have to go to Cork Thursday and I was thinking of the road from Limerick down and the quality of that. Its an embarressment we still have roads like that serving as main arteries between cities.


  • #7234
    paul2013
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭paul2013


    Anyone have pictures of the barrier removal at Jctn 16 Gort after all those years?


  • #7235
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    paul2013 wrote: »
    Anyone have pictures of the barrier removal at Jctn 16 Gort after all those years?

    They'll surely leave you through to have a look if you have the blue lights on?


  • #7236
    Aontachtoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    paul2013 wrote: »
    Anyone have pictures of the barrier removal at Jctn 16 Gort after all those years?
    M17, we need you again!


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  • #7237
    nordydan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭nordydan


    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    paul2013 wrote: »
    Anyone have pictures of the barrier removal at Jctn 16 Gort after all those years?
    M17, we need you again!
    M17, are you going to do a video of the whole thing?


  • #7238
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    plodder wrote: »
    On that point, the provision you refer to doesn't have any practical effect in this context, as the constitution also allows for either English or Irish to be used exclusively for any purpose. So, it's just a matter of legislation, that it's the way it is, rather than it being baked into the constitution.

    The simple solution is that the 1956 Gaeltacht boundaries need to be revised, they were outdated in parts even when they were agreed in 56 (eg. parts of Mayo added due to political lobbying etc.), boundaries should be reduced to Category A/Category B areas:

    gaeltacht-2007.png

    Claregalway only works out as something like 5-10% Daily speakers, it was in stage of advance linguistic shift in 1956 and should never had been included in the legal boundaries of the Gaeltacht.


  • #7239
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    M17, we need you again!
    Junction 16 gort looking towards Limerick 19/09/17IMAG2391_zpsujigl1wc.jpglooking towards rathmorrissyIMAG2392_zps8xdkupjv.jpg
    After eight years those barriers are gone,also gone is that end of motorway sign 188 hours to opening now


  • #7240
    kevin.m
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭kevin.m


    Thanks for the pics M17. Looks like they are finished with the tie-in works. Is there any chance of them reopening the crusheen to gort section before Friday?


  • #7241
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    nordydan wrote: »
    M17, are you going to do a video of the whole thing?

    Yes there will be a video of the tuam bypass and the m17/m18 motorway it will be about 32 mins long can't wait to drive a 120kph over the m6


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  • #7242
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like it's ready to reopen, I suspect they allowed a bit of extra closure time in case they had problems.


  • #7243
    jwcurtin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭jwcurtin


    Can't believe all of this, have folowed the thread from the start! This was a dream for most of college, and now it exists, with less just over 9 months til I gradutate :rolleyes:.

    The improvements in the Galway southbound is incredible when you think about it over the last 15 or so years!

    It will be interesting to see public transport's uptake of the route!

    I'm assuming the X51 will update the timetable in due course, but it will be interesting if CityLink will expand?

    Realistically, this is the final nail in the coffin Galway to Limerick traffic utilising the train......

    Looking forward to travelling it Friday week!


  • #7244
    paul2013
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭paul2013


    marno21 wrote: »
    They'll surely leave you through to have a look if you have the blue lights on?

    I'm actually stuck at the ploughing this week that's why I'm asking.


  • #7245
    paul2013
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭paul2013


    Has anyone seen the plaque location that Shane Ross will be pulling open declaring the road open? As I'm after asking my ban Garda colleague and she said the road will be open at 2pm or 3.30pm after the dinner with the minister.


  • #7246
    Roadfan
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Roadfan


    paul2013 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the plaque location that Shane Ross will be pulling open declaring the road open? As I'm after asking my ban Garda colleague and she said the road will be open at 2pm or 3.30pm after the dinner with the minister.

    So the honour falls to Lord Ross. Wonder if he's been to the west before?


  • #7247
    Middle Man
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Middle Man


    m17 wrote: »
    Yes there will be a video of the tuam bypass and the m17/m18 motorway it will be about 32 mins long can't wait to drive a 120kph over the m6
    ...at Rathmorrissy, the only place in Ireland where two separate 120kph motorways will cross.


  • #7248
    Truckermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    Middle Man wrote: »
    ...at Rathmorrissy, the only place in Ireland where two separate 120kph motorways will cross.

    What about the M7/M9?


  • #7249
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    paul2013 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the plaque location that Shane Ross will be pulling open declaring the road open? As I'm after asking my ban Garda colleague and she said the road will be open at 2pm or 3.30pm after the dinner with the minister.

    Plaque location is at kiltiernan it will open at 4pm


  • #7250
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,234 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Truckermal wrote: »
    What about the M7/M9?

    They don't cross?


  • #7251
    glineli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭glineli


    kevin.m wrote: »
    Thanks for the pics M17. Looks like they are finished with the tie-in works. Is there any chance of them reopening the crusheen to gort section before Friday?

    Wondering the same thing myself, anyone?


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