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Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Hemsworth can't exactly wash his hands of how Thor was in the last film. So much of it was improv that he's as much responsible as Waititi is. But the reason he wanted to go the comedy route was because he was getting bored of the character, and Waititi and their direction (as well as convincing the Russo's to go comedic with Thor in Endgame) helped keep Hemsworth interested. He's obviously reached the point where he needs another new direction to take Thor to stay interested in playing him. But maybe it's time to hang up the hammers anyway, just have Thor die in Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Dr Strange & GotG are still knocking about.

    I dunno, of all the post infinity saga filsm, only mulitverse of madness really felt like a 'proper' installment to me with proper ties back to the phase 1 stories. (no way home didnt do it for me at all).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    GOTG are probably done after their next movie,there's already hints that a major character will be killed off



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Neither were Phase 1. GotG were Phase 2 and Strange was Phase 3, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    Well, to be fair, I think for most people, they'd consider phase one, everything up to Infinity War / Endgame. we're closing in on being 15 years out from the original Iron Man, so the lines between what was released back then are almost irrelevant now.

    We're now in the realm of very much B & C tier characters, and to my eyes, none of them are catching the public consciousness in the same way as the original sagas characters.

    I do wonder, if they would have been better off pivoting to the X-men / mutants roster sooner, it feels like an interminable tease at this point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,309 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Guardians Holiday Special on Disney+ now.

    Enjoyed it for the stupid dun it was.

    And the big reveal that

    Go-Bots are part of the MCU

    😀



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They've always been pretty open how each Avengers film was the end of a "phase". Endgame was difficult in being a definitive goodbye to that Phase 1 roster though.

    It's funny to say the MCU is only "now" hitting the B and C tier when reality is, stripped of Spider-Man and the X-Men, the franchise has been almost entirely built on that tier of also-rans IMO. Iron Man and Captain America - maybe Thor being a pre-existing myth - were first produced because they were the closest things to household names back in 2008+ - but nowhere near as famous as Spidey or Prof X and pals. Spider-Man up there with Superman and Batman for immortal, iconic status.

    Series like the Guardians of the Galaxy were utter unknowns before the film shot them into fame; arguably the franchise's largest gamble back in the day, as it was so left field and obscure. Still is, really! A talking tree and racoon are practically mascot's! While much of the rest of the MCU has been made up of similarly niche characters like Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, Captain Marvel, Wasp or Vision. Ditto Black Panther: again not an especially known character outside of comics fans til the movie shot him into the zeitgeist.

    The ultimate genius of the MCU has been a consistent hit rate in taking its B, C Tier comics and turning them into household blockbuster names. It is true what you say though IMO: none of the Phase 4 slot have inspired much; I think the world has become crowded and those early characters have left increasingly large shadows - going double for the added tragedy of a major lead dying young. With the best will in the world, Shang-Chi has been fine, but nothing special that I'm pumped about him teaming up with others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Regarding bringing the X-Men into the fold, I wonder if they've given themselves a problem with Jackman returning as Wolverine in Deadpool 3. Logan was always going to be the hardest X-Men character to recast. At least there'd have been 6+ years between Mangold's Logan and the X-Men entering the MCU, but now that Jackman's Wolverine is part of the MCU via Deadpool, how do they recast the role? Can they even? Or going forward will Dafne Keen (for example) be playing X-23 Wolverine in the MCU?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Multiverse kinda solves all. Avengers Secret Wars will come after Deadpool 3 and will pretty much allow them to recast actors, reset characters etc. It's the end of the Multiverse Saga, so chances are Deadpool and Wolverine will be in one universe separate from the main MCU (though there'll likely be a lot of MCU jokes and references in Deadpool 3 now), and after Secret Wars we'll get a new version of MCU X-Men



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Yeah, the mechanics of it are easy. I meant moreso will fans accept non-Jackman Wolverine especially whilst the OG is still involved in the MCU? Basically, whoever is following in Jackman's footsteps already had a tough gig when 2017's Logan was his most recent outing. But now they've to fill his shoes whilst they're still warm!



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's the same conundrum with Prof X. Maybe more so. While Jackman has gone on to be a bonafide Hollywood Star, Patrick Stewart's career has kinda pivoted around being Picard and Professor X. There's probably a hair between both actors' iconic roles but IMO Stewart shades it. I could see a few candidates for a new Logan (heck Jackman wasn't even the first actor hired lol), but I always struggle to think of who'd make a good X. McAvoy was ok but played it much differently - nor did he even look great, bald. Tom Hardy technically played an alt Picard I suppose? 🤭



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Funnily enough I feel the opposite - that it'll be easier to cast Prof X than Logan. Anyway, I thought Giancarlo Esposito was already in talks for Prof X or did I dream that? 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Think he was in talks for something alright. Wasn't confirmed if it was Prof.X or Magneto, or maybe a different role altogether.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Yeah, now that you mention it I think both roles were mentioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It likely did some minor set ups for GotG 3 but this was a real Christmas special and did a great job with it.

    Low stakes and a lot of fun. Typical great use of music by Gunn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,320 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    That was so much fun!

    Plus lovely to see more of Cosmo!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I suspect even with Esposito, he's too old; just looking at how the casting has swung with Phase 4+ there's a sense Marvel are picking up younger and more obscure - for the purposes of longevity ala Hemsworth and Evans of yore.

    My money would be on relative unknowns for the new X-Men, and younger - even for Xavier himself. Maybe McAvoy might come around again, even if his head shape was all wrong lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I’m starting an online campaign for Jason Statham to be the next Prof. X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Mark Strong, anyone? He does have a better head shape than McAvoy! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    No. Logan, I asked you to give me a refreshing drink. I wasn't expecting a f***ing rainforest! You could fall in love with an orangutan in that!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I don't think it was an accident that they tied

    Namors lack of aging to being a mutant

    Like always, them opening a door like that gives them freedom when it comes to the age of the X-men while still being able to keep some of the original storylines if they want to go that direction (e.g., Magneto and Prof X).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,256 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Slight tangent note but if I ever get the lottery advertising exec who licenced ELO Mr Blue Sky for their ads and then over used it to death alone in a room then heaven help them. GOTG2 used to be one of my go to - feel better movies and the opening credits with Groot dancing to the music a great set up but now that song just annoys me so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Mark Strong would be great actually (But then I say that about everything). He has the gravitas and is young enough to do it for a while but also the maturity.


    And Jason Isaacs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    All about the Multiverse really. God they must love the potential. Anything you want? Multiverse.

    I'm thinking of the Simpsons episode with Lucy Lawless. Every inconsistency: A Wizard did it.

    • Prof-X isn't Patrick Stewart/James McEvoy: Multiverse
    • Wolverine is supposed to be younger than in Logan but looks older: Multiverse
    • 2 seconds ago that background guy had a different T-shirt on: Bugger.... Uh.... Multiverse??????




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Isn't the multi verse a bunch of parallel universes showing different/potential universes? So who gets to choose what universe is worth focusing on at any one time, when there are potentially infinite smashy fighty things happening.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Flip side is the multiverse kinda kills death as a concept and there's only so many times you can have a Shock Reveal of Character X being alive before it gets stale. They'll want to be careful how much multiverse they dole out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Yeah. Exactly. TBH, I'm surprised Tony Stark is still dead.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Marvel choose?? The MCU we followed up until Endgame was one universe and I don't them moving away from that aside from one off situations, like What If and maybe Deadpool. Leveraging the former X-men and Spiderman universes is just easy storytelling rather than having to give full backstories to certain characters (obviously nostalgia sells too). Why introduce two random actors as Peter Parkers from other universes and having to explain their histories/loss etc when they can just use Garfield and Maguire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    We're currently in the Multiverse Saga (where Phase 1-3 were the Infinity Saga). So I imagine the end of Phase 6 (Secret Wars) will mostly put an end to Multiverse stuff, while also allowing them to recast or bring back characters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Not sure I see it getting stale for the audience to see crossovers with characters from other universes that we know. People love seeing earned crossovers as can be seen by how well most crossover MCU movies or even comics do compared to most single character ones. The audience want to see characters they loved from the past interact with the current characters they love.

    I was very anti the use of the multiverse for the death issue and many other reasons but so far they've done a decent job at avoiding those pitfalls.

    Any characters that returns via the multiverse aren't those we knew in the main MCU timeline. I'd be surprised if this isnt repeated again and again during GotG 3 with Gamora to set expectations for the audiences for later multiverse crossovers.

    Having said that no matter how many times they hit audiences over the head with it when they eventually have Stark or Rogers in Secret Wars, there will still be a sizeable portion of people who will say they 'brought them back to life' when they're going to be completely different characters having lived different lives beforehand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Of course Marvel choose, but isn't whatever story they choose a bit moot as technically it's cancelled out multiple times somewhere else or maybe I'm over thinking it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Oops, didn't realize trailer posted already



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Are there spoilers for the GOTG holiday special in that trailer 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    quote from james gunn who's off the DC


    "One more time with feeling. The teaser trailer for for the finale of the Guardians Trilogy."



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It isn't moot as in the MCU we're following one group of characters in their specific universe so for them there are real stakes.

    The concept of the multiverse is a real thing so the same logic as to why we care about what happens to us in our lives applies to the characters. It isnt much comfort for us if a loved one dies knowing that there are potentially other universes out there where they didnt. They touch on that with Wanda in MoM where even if you could get to a loved one in another universe they aren't your loved one.

    Now I could see more of your argument when it comes to DC given how often they reboot characters in new universes - you can still feel for characters in more self-contained stories but the stakes are much lower when they are likely to reboot them in a few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭Acosta


    The Guardians Holiday Special was OK but felt a bit pointless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Haven't watched it yet, but after Guardians 2, my grà for them has waned...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Yeah? Weird, as I think that's easily the best Marvel flick of the lot. What annoys me about the last two Avengers movies is they have messed up what was shaping up to be a great trilogy. Obviously Guardians 3 could still be great, but the story has been broken up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,256 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I loved GOTG2 (although see earlier about how the Lottery have made the opening scene unbearable).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,594 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Eiza Gonzalez is rumoured to be Marvel’s top choice for Sue Storm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    She was rumoured to be Elektra two months ago and the hate she got on social media made her come out and say she never spoke with Marvel and she just signed up to other projects



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So if a GQ interview is to be believed, Dave Bautista is stepping away from Drax after Guardians 3. Probably for the best, the character had become a bit one note.

    “I’m so grateful for Drax. I love him,” he says. “But there’s a relief [that it’s over]. It wasn’t all pleasant. It was hard playing that role. The makeup process was beating me down. And I just don’t know if I want Drax to be my legacy—it’s a silly performance, and I want to do more dramatic stuff.” 

    Gotta love this piece of shade thrown at his fellow wrestler turned actor but IMO, Bautista has been quietly proving himself a much stronger actor. And one willing to take on varied, interesting roles.

    “I never wanted to be the next Rock,” he puts it plainly. “I just want to be a good fúcking actor. A respected actor.” 




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,309 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I wouldn't take it as shade being thrown. No context given. Like was he asked if he wanted to be the next Rock? But I would read his reply like he just wants to concentrate on being an actor instead of worrying about being the next Rock. He's probably fed up with the comparisons because of the similar backgrounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    So, after missing much of phase 4, I've decided to try catch up before phase 5, especially to prepare for quantumania and secret invasion. I definitely can't catch up on all tv shows/movies but are there any essential and any worth just catching a summary video? I'm guessing Loki, Ms. Marvel are worth watching and will add quite a bit to phase 5?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    WandaVision is important to Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




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