Cork GAA Discussion Thread

D'Agger · 30-06-2014 2:06pm

Juniors playing Kerry in Tralee Wednesday night. Would imagine Kerry are firm favourites given they're at home and Cork are weakened this year, having won the All-Ireland last year

willietherock · 30-06-2014 2:17pm

malascoile wrote: »

Its on tonight atr 7:30 I think

how sure are you?

willietherock · 30-06-2014 10:42pm

malascoile wrote: »

Its on tonight atr 7:30 I think

beat what looked like a full strength Tipp side in Fermoy. 1-21 0-18
Missing Cadogan and the 5 Blackrock players.
Team was something alongthe lines of
Collins ( minor keeper)
Spillane/Killian O Connor/ Keith Buckley
???/ Cormac Murphy/????
Darragh Brosnan/ Rick Cahalane
Mickey Browne/Dylan ???/ Killian McIntyre
Anthony Spillane/ Mark O'Connor( maybe)/ Rob O SHea

Pretty sure Pa Callaghan came on as a sub
Cormac Murphy was head and shoulders over everyone on the field. Seemed decent enough. Well coached, good tactically ect

Orizio · 01-07-2014 4:49am

Surely Dillon Cahill at 11.

North Cork Star · 01-07-2014 1:29pm

I met people at the game and they told me that Pa Herlihy (Mallow) came on as a sub. Mikey Browne (Ballyhea) was in goals. Cormac Murphy and Rob O'Shea were suppose to be Cork's best players. Still with Alan Cadogan and a few others not togged out, it was a good outing for the Cork Under 21s beating Tipp by 4 points.

Orizio · 01-07-2014 3:14pm

What happened to some of the Rockies recent Cork Minors, like Dylan Stokes, John Fitzgerald etc?

Figsy32 · 01-07-2014 3:19pm

Orizio wrote: »

What happened to some of the Rockies recent Cork Minors, like Dylan Stokes, John Fitzgerald etc?

Blackrock had 21 championship last night so weren't involved with Cork.

Stokes is in America, will play at half back for Blackrock Seniors when back. Fitzgerald playing rugby with Munster.

Blackrock supposedly have 5 on the Cork 21 panel so the recent minor titles look like they're producing players of good quality.

Orizio · 01-07-2014 3:38pm

Murphy, the two O'Keeffes, Smith and Cormack...?

Figsy32 · 01-07-2014 3:41pm

Orizio wrote: »

Murphy, the two O'Keeffes, Smith and Cormack...?

Cormack is just back after doing the Leaving so he's not. Andrew Murphy's there and not sure if it's Smith or David O'Farrell who is the fifth. Whether the 5 of them make the actual match day 24 is a different matter but they've all been with them through the Summer.

zetecescort · 02-07-2014 10:37pm

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. James Loughrey (Mallow)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Damian Cahalane (Castlehaven)
8. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
10. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
11. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
12. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
13. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
Brian Cuthbert and his selectors have made three changes in personnel and a number of positional switches ahead of the Munster Final. Eoin Cadogan comes in at full back, with Thomas Clancy moving to centre back. Damien Cahalane starts at wing back, with John O’Rourke moving to wing forward. Aidan Walsh replaces Andrew O’Sullivan at mid-field and Patrick Kelly moves from centre back to wing-forward. Barry O’Driscoll moves to corner forward, with John Hayes and Mark Collins named in the subs.
Injury update: Kevin Crowley and Brian O'Driscoll are still on the injury list, with Brian returning to training this week. Donncha O'Connor returned to full training at the weekend but was not considered for this game.

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
18. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
19. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
20. Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere)
21. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
22. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
23. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
24. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
25. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donal Og Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

Figsy32 · 02-07-2014 10:56pm

zetecescort wrote: »

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s – Captain)
3. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
5. James Loughrey (Mallow)
6. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty)
7. Damian Cahalane (Castlehaven)
8. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
10. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig)
11. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
12. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
13. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
Brian Cuthbert and his selectors have made three changes in personnel and a number of positional switches ahead of the Munster Final. Eoin Cadogan comes in at full back, with Thomas Clancy moving to centre back. Damien Cahalane starts at wing back, with John O’Rourke moving to wing forward. Aidan Walsh replaces Andrew O’Sullivan at mid-field and Patrick Kelly moves from centre back to wing-forward. Barry O’Driscoll moves to corner forward, with John Hayes and Mark Collins named in the subs.
Injury update: Kevin Crowley and Brian O'Driscoll are still on the injury list, with Brian returning to training this week. Donncha O'Connor returned to full training at the weekend but was not considered for this game.

Subs
16. David Hanrahan (Douglas)
17. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
18. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
19. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
20. Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere)
21. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
22. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh)
23. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
24. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
25. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
26. Donal Og Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)

Much nicer balance to this team than played against Tipperary.

Presume it means there'll be a 2 man full forward line as Barry O'Driscoll will go roaming. He was one of the few to come out with credit from the Tipp performance so glad he was retained.

No surprise seeing Butcher and Hayes gone but Collins can count himself a little unlucky I feel. He'll be a good man to bring on when the game is stretched though.

sean mac · 02-07-2014 11:03pm

Figsy32 wrote: »

Much nicer balance to this team than played against Tipperary.

Presume it means there'll be a 2 man full forward line as Barry O'Driscoll will go roaming. He was one of the few to come out with credit from the Tipp performance so glad he was retained.

No surprise seeing Butcher and Hayes gone but Collins can count himself a little unlucky I feel. He'll be a good man to bring on when the game is stretched though.

Daniel goudling as part of a 2 man inside line is insane stuff - he doesn't work, he doesn't tackle, he doesn't make runs, he has lost pace. It will suit Kerry down to the ground but sounds like the type of plan this crowd would come up with alright

Figsy32 · 02-07-2014 11:08pm

sean mac wrote: »

Daniel goudling as part of a 2 man inside line is insane stuff - he doesn't work, he doesn't tackle, he doesn't make runs, he has lost pace. It will suit Kerry down to the ground but sounds like the type of plan this crowd would come up with alright

Usually I'd agree but if it creates space to isolate O'Mahony and O'Se in the full back line I think himself and Hurley could have a field day, much like in the league game where Hurley put up a huge score. Two outstanding footballers but perhaps gone past the peak of their powers?

zetecescort · 02-07-2014 11:11pm

Has Colm ONeill had a setback or are they being extra cautious given his history?

Juniors had a heavy defeat against Kerry tonight

ShamoBuc · 02-07-2014 11:39pm

zetecescort wrote: »

Has Colm ONeill had a setback or are they being extra cautious given his history?

Juniors had a heavy defeat against Kerry tonight

Was always going to happen to the juniors this year I think.

Interesting team selection. As mentioned, Goulding and a 2 man full toward line won't work due to his work rate. But t
he running capability of the others might make it work. O'Neill and Hurley would be an awesome twosome. Free taking could be an issue though. Really looking forward to this one and I do think we have the beating of Kerry, would be a nice way to finish off football down the Páirc.

Archer3083 · 03-07-2014 12:56pm

zetecescort wrote: »

Has Colm ONeill had a setback or are they being extra cautious given his history?

Juniors had a heavy defeat against Kerry tonight

I'm wondering the same thing about Colm O'Neill. I'm surprised he's not a starter unless he's had a setback in training. I doubt this is a dummy team. I'd also have liked to have seen Dónal Óg Hodnett start. I think he's going to be a star in the future, maybe it's a year or two too early for him.

stuba · 04-07-2014 12:02am

Anyone know is it assigned seating or is a free for all in the uncovered stand?

menace404 · 04-07-2014 8:41am

stuba wrote: »

Anyone know is it assigned seating or is a free for all in the uncovered stand?

It is assigned seating. I have my tickets with uncovered stand, section d, and my row and seat number.

ShamoBuc · 06-07-2014 3:34pm

That was abysmal. Totally shocking lack of belief, a plan, intensity. Brutal display. Yes Kerry were very good but they were allowed to play due to the insipidness of the Cork players. As bad a performance as I have seen.

roshje · 06-07-2014 3:38pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

That was abysmal. Totally shocking lack of belief, a plan, intensity. Brutal display. Yes Kerry were very good but they were allowed to play due to the insipidness of the Cork players. As bad a performance as I have seen.

Yes Cork made Kerry look good:mad:

Axel Lamp · 06-07-2014 4:04pm

Bring back Counihan, all is forgiven.

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 4:07pm

Colm O'Rourke described the Cork performance today as 'spineless' and it's very hard to argue against that description. I don't think there is any point in discussing the Kerry performance, because they were simply allowed to play. Cork completely lacked intensity and fight. Unlike the Munster final last year Cork gave up completely in the second half, with 20 mins to go, Cork stopped trying. That is the most troubling aspect of today's game, because it looks like the team aren't trying for the manager or simply do not trust or believe in Cuthbert. They certainly didn't try for him today. That is not going to be rectified in the next few weeks, and Cork will win nothing this year.

Problems in midfield and in the full back line might be rectified but how do you get a team to trust or believe in their manager now? I think Cuthbert will have to go once Cork are out of this year's campaign. I'm not being sensationalist, but I just cannot see how Cuthbert will get that Cork team to believe!

ShamoBuc · 06-07-2014 4:18pm

Buddy from Douglas told me he heard things were very poor in the camp and a lot of the players have no time for Cuthbert.
I didn't mention it in here but it certainly was Painfully obvious today how ****ed up things are in the camp.

One thing is for sure now, JBM will not have that problem, I'm expecting them to rip into Limerick next weekend and put the natural pride back into the Cork jersey!

roshje · 06-07-2014 4:31pm

A complete whitewash this week by Kerry, minor,junior and senior.Back to the drawing board

The White Feather · 06-07-2014 4:42pm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Buddy from Douglas told me he heard things were very poor in the camp and a lot of the players have no time for Cuthbert.
I didn't mention it in here but it certainly was Painfully obvious today how ****ed up things are in the camp.

One thing is for sure now, JBM will not have that problem, I'm expecting them to rip into Limerick next weekend and put the natural pride back into the Cork jersey!

Its funny but when Cork didn't score for around 30 mins in the first half I thought that there must be something badly wrong in the camp. I have no knowledge of anything but when a team goes that long without scoring then either they are set up badly or the team doesnt want to put in the effort for the manager.

They looked uninterested and vitally there seemed to be no switches from the sideline when Kerry began to pull away.The managers and selectors have to react when things begin to slide away.

Thats true about JBM as his stature alone can get that bit of extra out of every player.

No one minds losing but this game was over at half time.

For Cork, this just simply is not good enough

Hotfail.com · 06-07-2014 4:43pm

Lads.... Why do we bother? :pac:

Also, what happened with the security? I heard them talking about it on the radio on the way home, I didn't see anything too strange up there today tbh

keep going · 06-07-2014 6:23pm

Have to admit I gave cuthbert and his crew some support earlier on here but 3 very poor performances, dublin, tipp and today's total disaster have dissapated it and its not happening and I dont think they can turn it around.my opinion before the match was the backdoor mightnt do any harm to this bunch but that was only in the case of a narrow loss but there is no hope now.so many people were in big trouble in their positions and it was sickening to see the way kerry were giving the subs a run so early in the second half.that said about the management im not sure there are a heap of higher quality players available in the country I suppose but I wil have to qualify all opions by saying these opinions are expressed in the immediate after math with the jibs of the kerry supporters still ringing in my ears

sean mac · 06-07-2014 6:32pm

Lads the man is out of his depth, he has no record at this level or even club level at senior. He brought in a bunch of novices who cant game manage. The dual players are poisoning the camp, selecting cahalane today over others after he not kicking a ball since may finished Cuthbert for some, this season is a write off and if the bishopstown man isn't careful he wont have a panel for next year. TODAY WAS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE

SeaFields · 06-07-2014 7:59pm

No heart, no fight, no pride. Just home after being put through that. Disappointed is an understatement.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-07-2014 8:17pm

I see so much being said about other sports like soccer and how teams can be gutless compared to GAA, but that performance today was a uttter disgrace.

Cork football is a joke. I have never been once embarrassed to say im from Cork up to today.

Kerry have every right to laugh at us.

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 8:20pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I see so much being said about other sports like soccer and how teams can be gutless compared to GAA, but that performance today was a uttter disgrace.

Cork football is a joke. I have never been once embarrassed to say im from Cork up to today.

Kerry have every right to laugh at us.

I don't think the players are that bad. I really do think that management were responsible for the failures today, and against Tipperary. And I can't for the life understand why Kerry are so optimistic after this victory today. Kerry are no great shakes. When you play against a team that was as poor as Cork were today, you learn absolutely nothing.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-07-2014 8:23pm

Archer3083 wrote: »

I don't think the players are that bad. I really do think that management were responsible for the failures today, and against Tipperary. And I can't for the life understand why Kerry are so optimistic after this victory today. Kerry are no great shakes. When you play against a team that was as poor as Cork were today, you learn absolutely nothing.

The players should still go out and try to win and play with some pride.

I love my county, but I have lost so much pride for that team today.

disgrace not to give 100%.

I'd rather give jersey to lads that would die for the jersey first.

Gary Neville · 06-07-2014 8:24pm

sean mac wrote: »

Lads the man is out of his depth, he has no record at this level or even club level at senior. He brought in a bunch of novices who cant game manage. The dual players are poisoning the camp, selecting cahalane today over others after he not kicking a ball since may finished Cuthbert for some, this season is a write off and if the bishopstown man isn't careful he wont have a panel for next year. TODAY WAS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE

Whatever went on last year, Cubby wasn't wanted by the players who wanted Cleary AFAIK.

It looked as if the league had sorted things but obviously the performances v Dublin and Tipp have eroded confidence.

Players are aware that Frank wanted Cubby and the deal was Frank's support provided Cubby agreed to dual players. Cubby has become a Groucho Marx figure in the dressing room ''These are my principles but if you don't like 'em, well, I have others''

People can trot out the 'pride in the jersey' mantra but the reality is that once you've lost the dressing room then you're a dead man walking. Cubby is good at powerpoint presentations and sound bytes so he'll trot out the familiar lines of ''we've got an opportunity to put this right'' etc etc.

The reality is that this shambles is going to get worse and we won't see in improvement until s.Cubby's term is up - but with Frank, he'll probably get another 2 year

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 8:28pm

Gary Neville wrote: »

Whatever went on last year, Cubby wasn't wanted by the players who wanted Cleary AFAIK.

It looked as if the league had sorted things but obviously the performances v Dublin and Tipp have eroded confidence.

Players are aware that Frank wanted Cubby and the deal was Frank's support provided Cubby agreed to dual players. Cubby has become a Groucho Marx figure in the dressing room ''These are my principles but if you don't like 'em, well, I have others''

People can trot out the 'pride in the jersey' mantra but the reality is that once you've lost the dressing room then you're a dead man walking. Cubby is good at powerpoint presentations and sound bytes so he'll trot out the familiar lines of ''we've got an opportunity to put this right'' etc etc.

The reality is that this shambles is going to get worse and we won't see in improvement until s.Cubby's term is up - but with Frank, he'll probably get another 2 year

I agree. You can't expect players to have pride in the jersey if they have no faith or confidence in the manager. I think it's obvious now that the players are unhappy with Cuthbert. Cuthbert is certainly a CCB man, that was very clear from the beginning. I would expect Cork to stumble over the line in a qualifier, but I can't see Cork doing any good at quarter final stage. I can't see Cuthbert haning on for a 2nd year if it's that obvious that he's lost the dressing room. He can't be that stubborn or fool hardy!

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 8:31pm

I also thought that it was very strange today that the substitutes that came on contributed nothing to the game. I was expecting Colm O'Neill to make a big impact when he came on at half time, but nothing from him either. And it also seems strange that Colm O'Neill didn't start the game. For all we know, maybe Cuthbert has fallen out with some of the players.

It was also a bit silly of Cuthbert to leave Walsh, Cadogan and Cahalane on the bench for the start of the Tipp game. He was obviously trying to make a political point but it backfired when he had to bring them on as subs to beat Tipp, and of course he had no choice but to start them today.

The_Kew_Tour · 06-07-2014 8:38pm

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Lads.... Why do we bother? :pac:

Also, what happened with the security? I heard them talking about it on the radio on the way home, I didn't see anything too strange up there today tbh

zetecescort · 06-07-2014 8:47pm

Archer3083 wrote: »

I also thought that it was very strange today that the substitutes that came on contributed nothing to the game. I was expecting Colm O'Neill to make a big impact when he came on at half time, but nothing from him either. And it also seems strange that Colm O'Neill didn't start the game. For all we know, maybe Cuthbert has fallen out with some of the players.

It was also a bit silly of Cuthbert to leave Walsh, Cadogan and Cahalane on the bench for the start of the Tipp game. He was obviously trying to make a political point but it backfired when he had to bring them on as subs to beat Tipp, and of course he had no choice but to start them today.

Colm ONeill can't do much if no ball being won at midfield. Not one Corkman with the attitude of " I'm winning the next ball even if I have to go through 3 kerryman to get it"

Think we are due to play Mayo in 1/4 final if we get through the qualifier but I fear they will do to us what they did to Donegal last year and possibly worse.

Figsy32 · 06-07-2014 9:01pm

Where do you start in picking the bones out of that performance?

I never like to slate players who put in so much time and work in an amateur setting but that was a truly horrific performance.

Tactically we were naive and incredibly slow to react when things were so clearly not working. Firstly, to let Declan O'Sullivan have so much time and space to pull strings in the 'quarterback role' was crazy. It shouldn't come as a shock that this was a possibility but Cork weren't ready for it.

More importantly though, to allow so much space in front of the full back line was simply inept management. Cadogan and Shields are good defenders but leaving them so exposed against the likes of O'Donoghue leaves the with no chance.

Notwithstanding that though there just seemed to be a general lack of hunger, which is inexcusable. The greatest indicator of this is the breaking ball where Kerry out fought Cork today.

There was a marked absence of leadership. It's a young team admittedly, but lads who've been around a while, the likes of Shields, Gould and Kelly were non-existent. It's not good enough.

O'Halloran's kick outs hold everything back. Besides the lack of distance, he seems to have no ability to judge the flight or pace of his kicks. If Hanrahan is anyway viable he has to start the next day.

No slight on Clancy as a player but he can't play centre back at senior inter county level. Not good enough on the ball. You need to be able to pick a pass playing there. Has to be half back if starting IMO. I'm not sure Cahalane is up to it at this level yet.

In an ideal world Gould would be moved out of midfield and into half forward but is there a viable alternative next to Walsh?

We desperately need a link man to bridge defence and attack. So many times there isn't an outlet in the half line for the defence to find the pass and this slows everything down to crawling pace, leaving the opposition time to funnel back. Kerrigan is a good player but not a centre forward IMO. Collins fits the bill but he hasn't done it yet at this level. Ideally Paddy Kelly would get back to previous form but that seems a long way off atm.

Some people were making a lot of the dual players but I don't think they were any worse than anybody else. To judge the dual issue on this performance is madness, especially after the effect Cads and Walsh had on the Tipp game.

There was a general flatness. I heard during the week that there was a last minute shift from a sweeper system on the Monday before the game, and there was a general feeling of bemusement in the camp regarding Cuthbert. The performance here would seem to vindicate that but it's only one report.

Thankfully our side of the qualifiers looks kind enough so there's time and a game to reassess. It's hard to see that a big enough improvement is going to be made to get passed the quarter finals.

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 9:04pm

zetecescort wrote: »

Colm ONeill can't do much if no ball being won at midfield. Not one Corkman with the attitude of " I'm winning the next ball even if I have to go through 3 kerryman to get it"

Think we are due to play Mayo in 1/4 final if we get through the qualifier but I fear they will do to us what they did to Donegal last year and possibly worse.

I accept that Colm O'Neill didn't get proper supply but the point I was making is that the subs were just as bad as the players that started the game. Not even the subs could introduce any intensity. Sure Mark Collins, Colm O'Driscoll, Jamie O'Sullivan, Tomás Clancy or John Hayes made no impact. And they're not all forwards! In fact, Hayes best contribution was to elbow Declan O'Sullivan in the jaw and get sent off rather than putting the head down and trying to do something constructive. Compare the impact of today's subs with last year's Munster Final. Alan O'Connor and Pearse O'Neill had an immediate impact last year. At least Counihan was able to inspire those players last year to mount a comeback. Cuthbert simply couldn't inspire or motivate any of the players that started today or that came on as subs.

DD Mikasa · 06-07-2014 9:51pm

Dual players should pack in the football after that. Nothing to be gained by playing football, that's for sure.

keep going · 06-07-2014 9:56pm

This problem of cork teams being slow to react to a change of tacticd has always been there long before the current set up, it seems the way we train players or approachgames makes players unable to adjust themselves without the mmanagement drag them in at half time when usually the opposition is out of sight

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 10:04pm

DD Mikasa wrote: »

Dual players should pack in the football after that. Nothing to be gained by playing football, that's for sure.

It's ridiculous situation that all of the dual players started today even though they've missed a substantial amount of training. I'm not saying that these players are not worth their positions, but from a morale point of view, it must be very disruptive that dual players are able to miss training and still get their place on the team ahead of lads that are attending every training session.

magentis · 06-07-2014 10:07pm

Archer3083 wrote: »

It's ridiculous situation that all of the dual players started today even though they've missed a substantial amount of training. I'm not saying that these players are not worth their positions, but from a morale point of view, it must be very disruptive that dual players are able to miss training and still get their place on the team ahead of lads that are attending every training session.

Im sorry but the dual players looked to be the only ones that gave anything today.

Archer3083 · 06-07-2014 10:14pm

magentis wrote: »

Im sorry but the dual players looked to be the only ones that gave anything today.

Ah come on, Aidan Walsh was abysmal in the centre of the park. He couldn't fetch one ball, his touch was terrible from start to finishe. Cadogan was badly exposed for touch and pace. To be fair, you couldn't fault Cahalane's commitment, but he was poor today

ShamoBuc · 06-07-2014 10:22pm

Cadogan was well and truly burned, Walsh looked jaded and young Cahalane looked as if he hasn't seen a football in weeks. You simply cannot play both hurling and football at the level Cork play in the modern era. Today was proof positive of that. To think otherwise would be foolish in the extreme.
Cuthbert had no game plan whatsoever. He gave the freedom of Páirc Ui Chaoimh to every Kerry player. He clearly does not have the players behind him. We will probably struggle away in the next match or two, if lucky, and possibly meet up with a Top team in the semi, maybe even Kerry, and we will get spanked again.

With a management that understand tactics and the players believce in, Cork would be close to getting Sam. At the moment, they couldn't even pull Samantha!

sean mac · 06-07-2014 10:31pm

magentis wrote: »

Im sorry but the dual players looked to be the only ones that gave anything today.

Im sorry too because you must have been watching a different game - damien cahalane was destroyed all day, never once got to a ball or won abreak, has never shown he has it for this level.
Walsh - one great point and that was it, couldnt catch a ball into his chest in the 2nd half, failed miserably to have any effect at midfield.
Cadogan - worst player in red for me, blown out of it by buckley at one stage - no way is that the sign of a fella giving everything, way behind his man, couldnt kick the ball.
While every player was poor, these 3 were very poor, little training done, no game splayed, no challenge games played and to think these fellas and the manager thought they could simply rock up and do a number on kerry??

Figsy32 · 06-07-2014 10:58pm

It's way too simplistic to judge the dual players on today.

Cadogan and the whole full back line were left with no chance all day. There was acres of space for the Kerry forwards and a mountain of ball into them. No full back line would have held them.

Walsh took a knock early and it looked to have shook him. He was good early on. Added to this he was swamped in midfield and the kick outs were brutal. Don't forget that in just the last match he saved Cork.

Cahalane is a different story altogether. In my opinion he's not good enough yet. That's regardless of hurling or otherwise.

People are far too quick to judgement. It was a terrible performance, but it was a terrible performance by all of the players, not just the dual players. Singling them out is too simplistic an excuse.

keep going · 06-07-2014 11:42pm

Walsh while hecaught nothing got something on alot of kickouts but it was mopped up by kerry men.dualism wasnt the issue with the other 17 players and even though I was at the game the lack of appetite was even more obvious on telly with the whole lot of them

willietherock · 06-07-2014 11:52pm

Singling out the dual players for abuse is utterly pathetic. Every single Cork player was rubbish today. Not one single Cork player showed anything.
I think a lot of the younger players are massively overrated. Winning Munster U21 football titles is virtually meaningless given how poor the competition are. This yr being a classic example. Roscommon were humiliated in the final and yet a Cork were being talked up big time couldn't beat them. There was a massive hole left with the retirements and its going to take a few yrs to get back up the standard of competing for All Irelands.

sean mac · 06-07-2014 11:59pm

willietherock wrote: »

Singling out the dual players for abuse is utterly pathetic. Every single Cork player was rubbish today. Not one single Cork player showed anything.
I think a lot of the younger players are massively overrated. Winning Munster U21 football titles is virtually meaningless given how poor the competition are. This yr being a classic example. Roscommon were humiliated in the final and yet a Cork were being talked up big time couldn't beat them. There was a massive hole left with the retirements and its going to take a few yrs to get back up the standard of competing for All Irelands.

Thats all grand etc but the least a cork team should be able to do is compete with what kerry people themselves would admit is an average kerry team? all irelands are beyond this group not getting humiliated in their own ground is not

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