Albert Quay - New Development

Red Nissan · 04-04-2014 12:39pm

evilivor wrote: »

We're already what now?

Should be reaping the rewards.

vince · 04-04-2014 1:02pm

You would be supprised by the amount of upper class people using aldi the stores look fine too maybe a bit posher looking tjan lidl

the beer revolu · 04-04-2014 1:22pm

Red Nissan wrote: »

The Elysian Tower, with the exception of the English Core builders, was built by Polish workers, we are already reaping their legacy in many estates around the county.

What exactly are you saying here?

zetalambda · 04-04-2014 2:45pm

Seems Michael O' Flynn has really got his knickers in a twist. He's just been granted a judicial review by high court of the original decision by Cork city council to grant planning permission. ABP's review of the case has now been put on hold until after the high court hearing which is scheduled for the 3rd of June.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0404/ireland/office-block-plans-to-undergo-judicial-review-264274.html

who_me · 04-04-2014 4:06pm

Height issues? It's a bit odd that he's complaining about height issues.

kub · 04-04-2014 5:48pm

who_me wrote: »

Height issues? It's a bit odd that he's complaining about height issues.

The term throwing stones in glass houses comes to mind.

Michael.. · 04-04-2014 8:24pm

who_me wrote: »

Height issues? It's a bit odd that he's complaining about height issues.

My exact thoughts.

If this development gets shot down over height it'll be a joke. As it is the Elysian stands out like a sore thumb. Another couple of relatively high buildings in close proximity are needed.

Going Strong · 07-04-2014 10:48am

who_me wrote: »

Height issues? It's a bit odd that he's complaining about height issues.

It's really about sour grapes. The developer, Cleary, has already got tenants for every unit in the building. Which has put Flynn's nose out of joint what with the Elysian still having lots of empty space. Cleary already did the same with his development in Mahon and was accused of hoovering up what little business there was in the property market.

Pitcairn · 07-04-2014 2:42pm

RDJ, probably the biggest solicitor firm in Munster, moved out of the South Mall last year, from a building they were renting from O'Flynn and into Cleary's new building in Mahon so I'd say there's no love lost between the two of them.

Michael.. · 07-04-2014 5:09pm

Pitcairn wrote: »

RDJ, probably the biggest solicitor firm in Munster, moved out of the South Mall last year, from a building they were renting from O'Flynn and into Cleary's new building in Mahon so I'd say there's no love lost between the two of them.

Well, that explains that so.

zetalambda · 16-04-2014 1:34am

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0416/ireland/developer-withdraws-office-block-plan-265518.html

D'Agger · 16-04-2014 9:03am

That's a real shame imo - I'd like to know what the traffic plans were if they were objected to, I would have thought that to be key, given the location and large amounts of traffic around that area.

Michael.. · 16-04-2014 9:12am

That's a pity.

I'd imagine the main problem with the development is the access from Port Lane.

Elysian management said they wouldn't allow people to access the office block from their land. The way the building is currently designed I reckon BAM had no option but to withdraw the application.

Hopefully they do a redesign that allows access from Albert Quay as oppose to the Elysian owned Port Lane.

D'Agger · 16-04-2014 11:05am

Michael.. wrote: »

That's a pity.

I'd imagine the main problem with the development is the access from Port Lane.

Elysian management said they wouldn't allow people to access the office block from their land. The way the building is currently designed I reckon BAM had no option but to withdraw the application.

Hopefully they do a redesign that allows access from Albert Quay as oppose to the Elysian owned Port Lane.

Even if they manage a redesign - it's back to square one for them which is very disappointing

Hopefully we'll see some development of this area coming down the pipeline in the coming weeks/months

CHealy · 16-04-2014 11:37am

Its such a shame that people cant work towards a better looking city for Cork, and its people, instead of for personal agendas. Such is life I suppose.

Rhys Essien · 16-04-2014 11:48am

Michael.. wrote: »

That's a pity.

I'd imagine the main problem with the development is the access from Port Lane.

Elysian management said they wouldn't allow people to access the office block from their land. The way the building is currently designed I reckon BAM had no option but to withdraw the application.

Hopefully they do a redesign that allows access from Albert Quay as oppose to the Elysian owned Port Lane.

So the city's laneways and streets now are becoming private property.What a fcukin joke?.How did this come about?

Its a wonder that they are letting people walk down Port lane.

Oafley Jones · 16-04-2014 11:57am

zetalambda wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0416/ireland/developer-withdraws-office-block-plan-265518.html

An ugly design, inappropriate to its surroundings, with a dodgy business case gone. Good news.

D'Agger · 16-04-2014 12:08pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

An ugly design, inappropriate to its surroundings, with a dodgy business case gone. Good news.

I'm sure there were buildings in London, NYC, Dublin etc. that were at one stage deemed 'inappropriate to its surroundings' so I don't really see that as a valid argument tbh

What would be better for the development of the Albert Quay in your view? That area has alot of potential in fairness

Michael.. · 16-04-2014 12:17pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

An ugly design, inappropriate to its surroundings, with a dodgy business case gone. Good news.

It's next to the Elysian. Hardly out of place.

As for the business case: the same developer has filled Mahon with some excellent companies - EMC and Dell spring to mind. Wouldn't the city be a much better place if them jobs were located on Albert Quay ?

Oafley Jones · 16-04-2014 12:45pm

Michael.. wrote: »

It's next to the Elysian. Hardly out of place.

As for the business case: the same developer has filled Mahon with some excellent companies - EMC and Dell spring to mind. Wouldn't the city be a much better place if them jobs were located on Albert Quay ?

It's on the quay. Just because there's an eyesore further in is no excuse.

No. Moving companies from one empty block to another isn't going to revitalise the city.

Oafley Jones · 16-04-2014 12:47pm

D'Agger wrote: »

I'm sure there were buildings in London, NYC, Dublin etc. that were at one stage deemed 'inappropriate to its surroundings' so I don't really see that as a valid argument tbh

This kind of argument is so vague and wishy washy that it hurts my head.

D'Agger · 16-04-2014 12:57pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's on the quay. Just because there's an eyesore further in is no excuse.

No. Moving companies from one empty block to another isn't going to revitalise the city.

So do you think the quays should be left as they are or have some other type of development looked at?

Your comment regarding moving companies from an empty block to another doesn't quite fit in with Tyco creating up to 2,000 new jobs. It's a well known fact that Tyco are expanding largely at the moment and require a move.

BUNK1982 · 16-04-2014 1:02pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

It's on the quay. Just because there's an eyesore further in is no excuse.

No. Moving companies from one empty block to another isn't going to revitalise the city.

Moving more companies to the City Centre creates a critical mass so that the services to that area are improved.

2000 new jobs in the city centre means that public transport is improved, footfall for retail/ eating out in the city centre is improved, more people will live in the city centre which drives down the crime rate - there's a long list of benefits to having a vibrant city centre rather everyone driving to work on the outskirts of the city.

D'Agger · 16-04-2014 1:07pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

This kind of argument is so vague and wishy washy that it hurts my head.

Take a neurofen for the sore head and point out the weakpoints in what I've said when you have a chance please - for my own education and to show you're capable of offering an argument that isn't simply a vague swipe, if anything else.

Going Strong · 16-04-2014 2:27pm

It also implies that the recent economic downturn and consequent loss of jobs within the city centre, retail, banking, insurance, etc is a good thing overall for the city.

kub · 16-04-2014 10:51pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

So the city's laneways and streets now are becoming private property.What a fcukin joke?.How did this come about?

Its a wonder that they are letting people walk down Port lane.

Was Port Lane not developed when the Elysian complex was being built? Is that the pedestrian walk way between El Vino and (is it Rabo Bank??).

Just i do not remember it there when the An Post sorting office was on that site before that AFAIK it was a railway goods yard.

Either way the site might not have been handed over to the council yet, most new developments take years before the public areas, greens etc, are handed over.

Pro Hoc Vice · 17-04-2014 7:53am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

So the city's laneways and streets now are becoming private property.What a fcukin joke?.How did this come about?

Its a wonder that they are letting people walk down Port lane.

Port lane is part of the development of the Elysian it did not exist before the Elysian was built. It is the access route to the residents car park. So it is very much the property of the developer.

Rhys Essien · 17-04-2014 9:40am

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Port lane is part of the development of the Elysian it did not exist before the Elysian was built. It is the access route to the residents car park. So it is very much the property of the developer.

Im aware that the lane way/street was'nt there before the development but for the developers to deny access to the people who would have been working on Albert Quay is fairly pathetic.

What they are saying here is 'We decide who walks down our street'.At this rate Opera lane is 'owned' by Owen O'Callaghan.Can he throw his toys out of the pram some time in the future and decide who walks down that street?

No street/lane way should be private property and the City Council should have made sure that this crap would never happen.

dwiseman · 17-04-2014 11:33am

The plans were withdrawn by the developer according to yesterdays examiner.

lostinsuperfunk · 17-04-2014 11:46am

At this rate Opera lane is 'owned' by Owen O'Callaghan.Can he throw his toys out of the pram some time in the future and decide who walks down that street?

Yes, the Council voted to extinguish the public right of way at the former Faulkner's Lane:
http://oldphotosofcork.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/not-opera-lane/

Nukem · 19-04-2014 12:09am

Oafley Jones wrote: »

An ugly design, inappropriate to its surroundings, with a dodgy business case gone. Good news.

Compared to what's there? It detracts from the whole side of the quay at the moment.

Cannot believe this was stopped tbh, as this was shaping up to be a great position for larger companies in the city center and breath much needed life into that side of the city - pity

zetalambda · 03-05-2014 1:14pm

"Meanwhile, a revised planning application for a €45m office block on Albert Quay was lodged with Cork City Council. The original plans were withdrawn last month after objections.

A spokesman for John Cleary Developments said, having regard for the level of enquiries and in the interests of moving matters forward, they have addressed the issues raised in the previous application and look forward to starting on site once planning is granted.

The alterations include a reduction by one floor and it is expected that building work, which will create some 300 jobs, will be completed in early 2016"

Excerpt taken from the following article about VoxPro:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0503/ireland/voxpro-chief-office-shortage-lsquocould-damage-recoveryrsquo-267428.html

I have a feeling they will receive objections to the revised plan as well.

moyners · 05-05-2014 7:43pm

New application here: http://planning.corkcity.ie/InternetEnquiry/rpt_ViewApplicDetails.asp?validFileNum=1&app_num_file=1436015

Interesting part:

Doors are also provided to the southern elevation at ground floor level for emergency egress parallel to Port Lane for pedestrians to be directed east and west within the applicants domain to Albert Street and Albert Quay ; no access onto Port Lane or works to it, are proposed.

That removes the Elysian developments main objection. Given the very quick re-submission with new plans maybe they were even expecting the objection or expected to have to remove a floor?

vince · 05-05-2014 9:15pm

Any pictures of this yet.

Michael.. · 06-05-2014 2:22pm

There was a picture of a the new proposal in yesterday's Examiner.

It looks pretty similar to the original design. As far as I can see they removed a floor, removed the 2 rectangular white frames from the outside of the building(looks far better without them) and removed the entrance from Port Lane.

All in all I think the redesign looks much better.

Hopefully they get permission as soon as possible.

moyners · 30-06-2014 10:55am

The resubmitted design got planning last week subject to some conditions - the main one being they need to remove a floor from the highest corner and use a slanted profile on the roof edge facing the elysian to minimise blocking daylight.

zetalambda · 24-07-2014 8:22pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XDOxjUkNcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITPCHq1NpY

http://www.onealbertquay.com

Red Nissan · 25-07-2014 12:10am

So what's CORK about it?

Sorry but we might as well be in bleedin DUUUUblin.

WHAT'S CORK ABOUT IT?

They've destroyed Dublin so we are the next soft touch?

who_me · 25-07-2014 2:28pm

Looks quite good, thanks for posting those zetalambda.

I'm usually not a fan of modern architecture - as it tends to consist of bland, featureless, oversized cuboids with bland, featureless facades built with bland, featureless materials. In particular, they tend to have horrible roofscapes - big, boxy lines usually visible from halfway across the city. At least in this case they've broken up the 'boxiness' quite a bit, and I do like the roof garden.

Our company might well be a potential occupant, though it would depend a lot on the availability of parking.

54kroc · 25-07-2014 4:20pm

Red Nissan wrote: »

So what's CORK about it?

Sorry but we might as well be in bleedin DUUUUblin.

WHAT'S CORK ABOUT IT?

They've destroyed Dublin so we are the next soft touch?

Tbh I think it's outstanding, if that's destroying Cork I'd be quite happy to see them destroy the rest of the city.

kub · 25-07-2014 9:00pm

Well it is a lot better than what is currently on that site.

shnaek · 26-07-2014 9:51am

There's a new boardwalk in front of the building in the vid too - I wonder is that part of the build?

Outkast_IRE · 26-07-2014 9:54am

shnaek wrote: »

There's a new boardwalk in front of the building in the vid too - I wonder is that part of the build?

Generally you would find in alot of these promotional materials and even plans that they show landscaping etc in the surrounding area but its not part of their plans or including in the permission so they wont carry it out but it looks good on the plans.

Pablo Escobar · 26-07-2014 10:09am

kub wrote: »

Well it is a lot better than what is currently on that site.

This is the thing. Ignoring the fact that it's much needed high quality office space, what's there at the monent is a disgrace. There's a lot if people that moan for the sake of moaning.

zetalambda · 26-07-2014 8:49pm

kub wrote: »

Well it is a lot better than what is currently on that site.

The only thing that would be worse than what's currently there is a rubbish tip.

shnaek wrote: »

There's a new boardwalk in front of the building in the vid too - I wonder is that part of the build?

I believe it's a condition of the build. That wharf on Albert quay is in a serious state of disrepair to the extent that's it dangerous.

calnand · 26-07-2014 9:04pm

I think the council also has plans to make a much bigger boardwalk in the city, can't remember where I read/heard it, might have been the next development plan. The one outside sugarcube/electric is brilliant. Got much during the week from the market and sat there on the benches. was great this week in the sun.

kub · 27-07-2014 10:24am

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

This is the thing. Ignoring the fact that it's much needed high quality office space, what's there at the monent is a disgrace. There's a lot if people that moan for the sake of moaning.

'This is the thing', is it really? I simply mention that a new building there is better than the eyesore that is there currently and I am moaning......

D'Agger · 27-07-2014 11:33am

kub wrote: »

'This is the thing', is it really? I simply mention that a new building there is better than the eyesore that is there currently and I am moaning......

I think you've picked up his point the wrong way round, Pablo is for the building over the eyesore that's currently there

zetalambda · 30-07-2014 9:10pm

Looks like MO'F could be off JCD's back now.

Nukem · 30-07-2014 10:57pm

I thought this was the revised plan?

http://www.bamcontractors.ie/public/userfiles/Files/AlbertQuayBrochure.pdf

Albert Quay - New Development

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