Red Luas line should be closed

davidfitz22 · 17-10-2013 6:22pm

I find ironically tallaght is the more quiet end of that line, it's once it hits areas like fatima and james's is where the real scum get on/off

L.A.D · 17-10-2013 6:27pm

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cgcsb · 18-10-2013 12:54pm

pappe wrote: »

Once I was in Belgard with my girlfriend waiting for the Luas until a gang of teenagers started intimidating us and they somehow invited my girlfriend to follow them. That was on a Sunday at around 6pm. We ignored them since the very beginning but they were still intimidating us (and expecting a reaction somehow) and when I started keeping my girlfriend closer to me because of the possible danger I had the feeling that a couple of them could have been aggressive towards us. Luckily they jumped all into the next Luas after 5 minutes that lasted like an eternity for us. There is no need to add that probably those kids were not paying the fare for taking the luas.
I reported the event to Luas customer care and they told me that I should have used the disposal at the Belgard station for emergency and ask for help. I believe that if those kids would have seen me doing that I would have been beaten or my girlfriend could have been raped perhaps (this happens nearly every day in Dublin, I don’t think I am exaggerating here).
I notified Veolia authorities that those dangerous people (easy to identify) are usually not paying for luas tickets, as they jump out when they see orange vests. Veolia told me that they are working hard to make controls stricter but all I can see is decent people being fined and no change in regards of the dangerous troublemaker not paying the fare. Seriously...when luas ticket inspectors need to deal with any of them they let them go without making any effort, even if the security guards are around, I witnessed that several times.
As a luas customer I am paying around 70 euro per month for commuting and I am experiencing nasty and dangerous situation very often where also my personal safety is involved...is it fair? The big stickers in the driver cabin luas explained that while Luas authorities have the right to ask passengers for a ticket but also they commit to provide passengers with a pleasant and safe journey at the top of the list!

drama lama

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AlekSmart · 18-10-2013 1:52pm

cgcsb wrote: »

drama lama

No Drama at all,just a normal sounding account of an ordinary having a first experience with the savages.....happens all the time...nothing to see...move along...everything is grand

pappe · 19-10-2013 9:16am

KungPao wrote: »

Im sure he means in general. You never know what scum are capable of and you should never underestimate it.

Front page of todays Echo newspaper:

Teenager Raped and Beaten in Public Park</headline>

She was walking in Fettercairn (quite possibly from the LUAS near there) at 8 in the evening, not far from Belgard at all, and raped by someone "not known to her". She was under 16 apparently.

I meant in the city + suburbs! Thanks for claryfing it. Exactly. Isn't it true that this is happening pretty much every day? I read The Journal and I see such news on a daily basis

Heikki · 20-10-2013 12:03am

KungPao wrote: »

I live in Tallaght and go to the city centre every weekday and at least once on weekends. I get the bus. Much quicker, safer, and more comfortable than a cold tram going 20KPH and stopping every 2 seconds to allow more rats on board who haven't paid for a ticket.

I find a LUAS trip to be very frustrating overall - Green line included which I used regulary last year. Too slow, too many stops, freezing in the winter with doors opening all the time, ticket checks all the time (but usually only for normal fare paying users like myself, the dirtbags don't need to pay), uncomfortable seats with a bad very layout etc.

On trips from the Square to Abbey St. and vice versa, Iv'e seen pretty everything that has been mentioned on this thread including:

A delightful couple of sub humans smoking heroin.
Charming teens running and shouting while being intimidating.
Travellers and Roma etc. hiding and looking out for tickets inspectors etc and just strolling off and getting the next tram to avoid getting their collars felt. The inspectors see them but don't follow them.
Oulfellas plastered with bags of cans at 9am.
Dirtbags barely concious.
Smoking and drinking in general by absolute wastes of space.

Argh.

My bus is like a haven compared to the Red LUAS.

Seeing as you are a princess, godly modal of society a royal parade should grace your each and every fantastic voyage from 'the square to abbey st.'.. It's such a shame

Heikki · 20-10-2013 12:06am

ceekay74 wrote: »

Complete idiot?

Haha.. As opossed to an idiot who has suffered amputations I'm sure

Grandeeod · 20-10-2013 12:15am

Heikki wrote: »

Seeing as you are a princess, godly modal of society a royal parade should grace your each and every fantastic voyage from 'the square to abbey st.'.. It's such a shame

So you prefer the "absolutely no problem on the Red Line" viewpoint?

Heikki · 20-10-2013 12:19am

Grandeeod wrote: »

So you prefer the "absolutely no problem on the Red Line" viewpoint?

I never said that.. I have been through drama many times always between the canal and James'.. Exactly the same occurs on certain bus routes

dowlingm · 21-10-2013 1:58pm

Given that LUAS, as a 40m vehicle, carries or has the capacity to carry far more people than a bus, it makes sense to target resources at reducing antisocial activity on it and against subsidiary infrastructure such as shelters and TVMs. That enforcement pattern could then be used as a template for further action on DB services. However, corporate boundaries between RPA and DB will make this concerted action more bureaucratic than it should be.

Banjoxed · 21-10-2013 3:36pm

Gosh. There must be a hell of a lot of drama that I'm missing. Travelled on the Luas from Saggart to Heuston and back on a Tuesday evening in late September and was shocked not to experience any dodgyness whatsoever.

Trouble can happen. I've been on a tram that was stoned at Bluebell once but for Luas to get the brunt of kickings when anti social behaviour happens elsewhere on the transport system as well is disingenuous. The bigger story is that the reasons for anti social behaviour must be tackled but won't be as long as Official Ireland views trouble as something that happens to the Indians on the reservations.

In the meantime free travel should be targeted where nuisance occurs, the Guards should go wading in when necessary and the transport security should be constituted as a Transport Police with all necessary powers. Those who make a nuisance of themselves must be permanently banned from public transport and relocate the meth clinics.

listermint · 22-10-2013 9:14am

Grandeeod wrote: »

So you prefer the "absolutely no problem on the Red Line" viewpoint?

Your dealing in absolutes, its not how reality is. Just because someone disagrees with the original poster doesnt mean they said their is absolutely no problem. Thats absurd.

Victor · 22-10-2013 1:47pm

Stop the snide comments and snideness

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Aimee80 · 25-03-2015 5:25pm

I totally agree with Darkman2. I went to Dublin this past week and am from the U.S. and due to being 7 hours behind thought it would be nice (10 PM) after dinner to take a trip on the Luas Red Line to see some sights. We had "scumbags" get on and spit at my husband and started saying he was going to "punch him out." Unfortunately, our 8 year old son was with us. We eventually made it to the front of the tram and he got off on George's Dock exit. I know there are areas of the U.S. that are worse, but we paid for this tram and I know they did not. The city needs to look at either increasing security or give ample warnings to tourists of the dangers.

Banjoxed · 26-03-2015 12:59am

Aimee80 wrote: »

I totally agree with Darkman2. I went to Dublin this past week and am from the U.S. and due to being 7 hours behind thought it would be nice (10 PM) after dinner to take a trip on the Luas Red Line to see some sights. We had "scumbags" get on and spit at my husband and started saying he was going to "punch him out." Unfortunately, our 8 year old son was with us. We eventually made it to the front of the tram and he got off on George's Dock exit. I know there are areas of the U.S. that are worse, but we paid for this tram and I know they did not. The city needs to look at either increasing security or give ample warnings to tourists of the dangers.

Policing, yes; but dismantling? Christ no.

Arc_Light · 27-03-2015 9:02pm

It's been painfully obvious for years that Ireland needs a transit police, and lets do it like the UK instead of an Irish Water type monster, or have it be a specialist branch of the Guards that officers get rotated through.

Security do not have enough powers, and you never see a beat cop on the Luas because it crosses police district boundaries, so the only answer is transit police with powers of arrest and the power (without a court order) to permanently ban someone from the network.

thickhead · 27-03-2015 9:35pm

darkman2 wrote:

I think I am in a majority that calls for the line to be dismantled. Anti social behaviour and far worse is the norm on this tram line. Dubliners are intimidated and what of tourists? It goes through the city centre - it is embarrassing and disgraceful. Of course it ferries scum (for free) from Tallaght to the Children's court (great planning that eh?) and no matter what security is on it it will not make any difference. The scumbags have the run of it. When the judge let's the feral children out after 10 convictions they simply hop on the tram and go home (not paying of course and intimidating passengers). I think the line should be closed because it is a free ride for scum in and out of our capital city and addicts looking for the clinic behind Clearys. Until the council use their heads I don't think this line should remain open. I think the line is dangerous and represents an appalling image of this city to tourists who are also at risk of harm.

Piss off

monument · 28-03-2015 8:16pm

And on that note, good bye thread!

Red Luas line should be closed

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