Red Luas line should be closed

MANUTD99 · 14-07-2012 11:06pm

I'm so sleepy in the morning and always worry about tagging my Leap Card. I n even go out of my way to have it at hand. I get the 7.05 Luas from Heuston to the Point.

Every single morning the inspectors get on and check for tickets. Everybody at this time is going to work and from my experience always have tickets validieted. I seen one bloke last week who I know from the Luas who had some issue and got fined. I know from seeing him on the Luas he always had his Leap Card.He may not of topped it up

Fast forward to when I go home and the Luas is full of scumbags, I never feel safe, it is full of junkies taking drugs(ive seen this first hand) and the inspectors never punish the c&nts who don't have tickets from 3-6pm

miller50841 · 14-07-2012 11:17pm

That is crazy but more need to bring this to the attention of the company and not a phone call a letter is what is needed. See there is another thing to all this scum most have free travel and now at this stage the inspectors may know them or like you would rather have nothing to do with them.
These a holes are unpredictable but saying that I would have no problem as I already deal with them in my job and find it harder each day to look at it from both sides if you get me. They know they can't be touched and sure have nothing to lose

CIE · 15-07-2012 12:32am

miller50841 wrote: »

That is crazy but more need to bring this to the attention of the company and not a phone call a letter is what is needed. See there is another thing to all this scum most have free travel and now at this stage the inspectors may know them or like you would rather have nothing to do with them.
These a holes are unpredictable but saying that I would have no problem as I already deal with them in my job and find it harder each day to look at it from both sides if you get me. They know they can't be touched and sure have nothing to lose

They always have something to lose. If this keeps up though, watch out for vigilante gangs to start going after them.

miller50841 · 15-07-2012 1:01am

They have no brain cells left so think they have lost it all so just give 2 fingers to us all

JustAddWater · 15-07-2012 1:08am

foggy_lad wrote: »

How will the transport police be funded?

You could start by fining those who have no tickets.... Money raised pays towards the policing

foggy_lad · 15-07-2012 2:03am

miller50841 wrote: »

The private security on the luas and Ir/Dart have powers under company bye laws the only problem is many don't want to get involved including the cops as everthing is turning into a case where they leave themselves open to be sued.
If you do nothing you can't be sued.

Really pisssed off with the attitude of people in this country its turning into a bit of a jungle

It is Veolia IR and the other companies who issue instructions to security staff on how to handle situations they encounter. All the bye-laws contain lengthy parts on barring persistent troublemakers and those who are anti social but for some reason the companies refuse to tackle these nasty scumbags through the courts!

miller50841 wrote: »

That is crazy but more need to bring this to the attention of the company and not a phone call a letter is what is needed. See there is another thing to all this scum most have free travel and now at this stage the inspectors may know them or like you would rather have nothing to do with them.
These a holes are unpredictable but saying that I would have no problem as I already deal with them in my job and find it harder each day to look at it from both sides if you get me. They know they can't be touched and sure have nothing to lose

Free travel should not protect anyone engaged in illegal or anti-social behaviour but when the companies refuse to prosecute and get barring orders why would they bother even throwing these people off the trams and trains!

AlekSmart · 15-07-2012 8:08am

listermint wrote: »

I do also have to agree, that having used the entire line since its inception there are users here blowing it totally out of proportion and clearly havent used these types of systems globally. You must all write for the daily mail.

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MANUTD99: Fast forward to when I go home and the Luas is full of scumbags, I never feel safe, it is full of junkies taking drugs(ive seen this first hand) and the inspectors never punish the c&nts who don't have tickets from 3-6pm

Aha !!...Another Daily Mail columnist uncovered...Where do I claim my reward ? :eek:

Problem..?....What problem...???

Irish and Proud · 21-08-2012 7:31pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I think I am in a majority that calls for the line to be dismantled. Anti social behaviour and far worse is the norm on this tram line. Dubliners are intimidated and what of tourists? It goes through the city centre - it is embarrassing and disgraceful. Of course it ferries scum (for free) from Tallaght to the Children's court (great planning that eh?) and no matter what security is on it it will not make any difference. The scumbags have the run of it. When the judge let's the feral children out after 10 convictions they simply hop on the tram and go home (not paying of course and intimidating passengers). I think the line should be closed because it is a free ride for scum in and out of our capital city and addicts looking for the clinic behind Clearys. Until the council use their heads I don't think this line should remain open. I think the line is dangerous and represents an appalling image of this city to tourists who are also at risk of harm.

Only a matter of time before someone is killed within a tram on that line. Mark my words that will happen. Anyone that cannot see the security implications with this line is a complete idiot and clearly has never used the tram.

Before I even read any more into this thread, I've this to say: It's the same nonsense of blaming cars for everything - the problem is society, not the trams. I don't want to be controversial, but I think the only solution that remains for anti social behavior is the introduction of boot camps for unruly teenagers etc - this would IMO eventually get rid of the "what will you do if I don't?" mentality. It would IMO dissolve the impunity factor among our teens and would eventually restore a sense of respect - this measure would take time to make a big impact, but I think it would work. Why should we have to forgo the LUAS because of a few unruly teenagers etc. Parents should also be tackled for not rearing their children properly. I would also gradually abolish child allowance and would instead tackle the cost of education for families as well as introducing a nationwide school meals programme to ensure the children are getting proper food at least five times a week - nutrition, I guess, is one of the problems with children these days. The abolition of child allowance would also stop the practice of having children for financial benefit which obviously causes problems.

Just had to get that off my chest - the LUAS cost a lot of money to build and is an excellent way to get around - corrective measures are what's needed, not scrapping it!

kieran4003 · 21-08-2012 10:03pm

While living in Cork, I visit Dublin reguarly and I always use the Red line Luas. I have never once seen any trouble of any form on it or felt uncomfortable on it. I was only on it last Friday, several times and again no problem. Just Commuters, Shoppers and tourists. I did notice security boarding the tram in Jervis in the evening, but there was certainly no trouble on it. It is a fantastic service but I think stories are exagerated a bit on here sometimes. Of course there is occasional problems, but a good security and staff presence is a deterrant.

ShaneScouse · 21-08-2012 10:12pm

God this and that daft thread about crime rates in Tallaght, people really are just ignorant at times are they not. Im worried Ill damage my eyes If I roll them any more reading this tripe.

The red luas is used by a crazy amount of people the ratio of people that use it in all of its areas(shock horror its not just full of 99.5% of people from tallaght bar yourself and that posh lad with the Ipad over there) compared to the Bus lines they could use to commute aswell says it all. Its the most used transport system in the city, so ofc theres gona be scangers and scumbags and antisocial behaviour. The more population there is on something or in somewhere then ofc the higher the % of gits.

And Ill repeat whats been said several times already in here, I got it for years for college and work from Tallaght-Town and never a bother, at all hours. Only get it once a week now prob as I drive, but it gets you from A-B and I cant think of a family member or friend who doesnt get it at least once as week, and never a problem for them. Using joe duffy or talk shows on the whole as a basis for your assesment of something is so flawed Im embarresed for you.

Also I see people get caught and tickets given for never having tickets, kids pensioners you name it, Not sure what time or what luas people are getting to be seeing it full of junkies and chancers without tickets everytime they go home from work, all I can say is work an extra 20mins from now on, and get a diff one.

Judgement Day · 21-08-2012 10:21pm

That's great so, everything is perfect on the Red Luas line and we all listen to the Joe Duffy Show too much. :rolleyes:

kieran4003 · 21-08-2012 11:23pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

That's great so, everything is perfect on the Red Luas line and we all listen to the Joe Duffy Show too much. :rolleyes:

Have it in one.

n97 mini · 22-08-2012 12:05am

Three times as many "incidents" of anti social behaviour etc on Red Line as on Green Line according to Veolia

http://www.thejournal.ie/three-quarters-of-luas-public-disorder-offences-occur-on-red-line-324411-Jan2012/

ShaneScouse · 22-08-2012 1:04am

n97 mini wrote: »

Three times as many "incidents" of anti social behaviour etc on Red Line as on Green Line according to Veolia

http://www.thejournal.ie/three-quarters-of-luas-public-disorder-offences-occur-on-red-line-324411-Jan2012/

Comparing a service that takes thousands less a day(and diff ratio of age groups, aka more old people :P ) that passes through some of the more upperclass areas of the city, against a far more busy service that goes a longer distance through a more varied route inc many working class areas of the city, and crying in horror as one has a few more probs and social issues then the other??

I do believe you may have the answers to human kinds social problems

pawrick · 22-08-2012 1:15am

Better enforcement of rules is all that's needed.

I use the red line a a few times a week and generally I see no trouble apart from hearing loud conversations about someone wanting to break someones face for grassing on them etc. maybe I'm immune to it at this point.
Once getting on at st. james I did see a couple of skangers try to have sex at the platform which was weird but mostly because they couldn't seem to figure out how to do it with their tracksuits still on which lead to a lot of shouting and swearing.

ordinary_girl · 22-08-2012 1:51am

pawrick wrote: »

Once getting on at st. james I did see a couple of skangers try to have sex at the platform which was weird but mostly because they couldn't seem to figure out how to do it with their tracksuits still on which lead to a lot of shouting and swearing.

That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

The red line definitely shouldn't be closed, the then 77/now 27 has become bearable since the LUAS started!

AlekSmart · 22-08-2012 6:42am

ShaneScouse wrote: »

The Red Luas is used by a crazy amount of people the ratio of people that use it in all of its areas(shock horror its not just full of 99.5% of people from tallaght bar yourself and that posh lad with the Ipad over there) compared to the Bus lines they could use to commute as well says it all. Its the most used transport system in the city, so ofc theres gona be scangers and scumbags and antisocial behaviour. The more population there is on something or in somewhere then ofc the higher the % of gits.....

.... Using Joe Duffy or talk shows on the whole as a basis for your assesment of something is so flawed Im embarresed for you.

I would suggest that the "Crazy Amount" of people using the Red Line is nowhere near as Crazy as it could or should be.

One of (not the entire) reasons for the significant drop in usership within the Tallaght area is the documented incidences of ASB in and around it.

There are a LOT of spare seats on Luas Red Line services serving Tallaght,which I see as being marketable to NEW Public Transport users,particularly as Motor Fuel heads for €2.00 per litre.

I would disagree with Shane Scouse about this being a media-driven exercise,as many posters here merely recount their own unsavoury experiences on the Line itself and more particularly the City West extension.

I am glad to hear that at least one person is satisfied with the situation but I believe the entire system requires some significant attention if it is to prosper as it should.

n97 mini · 22-08-2012 11:59am

ShaneScouse wrote: »

Comparing a service that takes thousands less a day(and diff ratio of age groups, aka more old people :P )

Red Line doesn't take 3 time more passengers, it carries 28% more. Age groups, socio economic backgrounds etc are irrelevant to the statistics. For any given numbers of passengers, there will be more trouble makers per head on the Red Line than on the Green.

As I've said it before, proper transport police which are an arm of the Gardaí, is the only solution.

KD345 · 22-08-2012 12:22pm

ShaneScouse wrote: »

Comparing a service that takes thousands less a day(and diff ratio of age groups, aka more old people :P ) that passes through some of the more upperclass areas of the city, against a far more busy service that goes a longer distance through a more varied route inc many working class areas of the city, and crying in horror as one has a few more probs and social issues then the other??

I do believe you may have the answers to human kinds social problems

Where are you getting those statistics from, such as the age profile of the Luas passengers you quote?

I have always found the age profile of a green line passenger to be younger than that of the red line. That's just from my observations, but would be very interested to see your statistics.

The red luas is used by a crazy amount of people the ratio of people that use it in all of its areas(shock horror its not just full of 99.5% of people from tallaght bar yourself and that posh lad with the Ipad over there) compared to the Bus lines they could use to commute aswell says it all. Its the most used transport system in the city, so ofc theres gona be scangers and scumbags and antisocial behaviour. The more population there is on something or in somewhere then ofc the higher the % of gits.

It's not. The bus is used most in Dublin.

Using joe duffy or talk shows on the whole as a basis for your assesment of something is so flawed Im embarresed for you.

There have been many reports and news stories written about this problem over the last few years with Veolia releasing figures to support the claims, so there's really nothing too flawed about it at all. I think the most recent figures show there are about three reported incidents a day on the service, with the vast majority of these occurring on the red line.

http://www.thejournal.ie/three-quarters-of-luas-public-disorder-offences-occur-on-red-line-324411-Jan2012/

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/luas.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/increase-in-antisocial-behaviour-and-racism-on-the-luas-2982866.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/td-calls-for-more-security-on-the-luas-red-line-393112-Mar2012/

ShaneScouse · 22-08-2012 1:16pm

n97 mini wrote: »

Red Line doesn't take 3 time more passengers, it carries 28% more.

I didn't say it did take 3 times more, I said thousands more, which is true something like 10k a day more then green iirc?

KD345 wrote: »

It's not. The bus is used most in Dublin.

Well ye that is true, I meant more a constant route of travel V train routes dart routes etc. Bus Is just such a wide scope hard to compare it to anything, but you aint wrong

Now you mention buses Im just waiting for some smart fellow to create a thread about how theres more problems on the buses used in some west and northside suburbs that take 20k a day compared to one in dalkey that takes 475 daily and goes past less schools.

KD345 · 22-08-2012 1:38pm

ShaneScouse wrote: »

Now you mention buses Im just waiting for some smart fellow to create a thread about how theres more problems on the buses used in some west and northside suburbs that take 20k a day compared to one in dalkey that takes 475 daily and goes past less schools.

Not trying to be that smart fellow

, but what you've posted above is true. For example, buses on routes like the 13 and 40 suffer greater vandalism than those on the 16 or 145. All of which have a similar frequency and carry similar passenger numbers.

To be fair, nobody is really pinpointing any particular area as being the problem here. I'd like to think I'm a decent person living in one of the places mentioned in this thread, but I accept that there are serious anti social issues affecting passengers. When you read that three quarters of the incidents reported occur on the red line, the figures speak for themselves.

n97 mini · 22-08-2012 1:48pm

ShaneScouse wrote: »

I didn't say it did take 3 times more, I said thousands more, which is true something like 10k a day more then green iirc?

10k, which is 28%, with 300% more anti social behaviour.

foggy_lad · 22-08-2012 2:00pm

n97 mini wrote: »

As I've said it before, proper transport police which are an arm of the Gardaí, is the only solution.

The normal police although can't handle these troublemakers on the streets and the courts are not dealing with the issue(which is of course political) so what makes people think that pouring money the counry does not have into a dedicated transport police will be any use at all when all signs are pointing to them being about as ineffective against anti-social behaviour as the current force?

The only way to stop this is to bar the troublemakers from using or even entering buses trams and trains, The bye-laws are in place for this but all the operators seem to be ignoring this option. Why is that?

When a barred person gets on a tram/bus/train everything must stop and an announcement made identifying the troublemaker and stating that the vehicle WILL NOT MOVE while this person is on board and let the other passengers make life very uncomfortable for the scumbags!

n97 mini · 22-08-2012 3:28pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

When a barred person gets on a tram/bus/train everything must stop and an announcement made identifying the troublemaker and stating that the vehicle WILL NOT MOVE while this person is on board and let the other passengers make life very uncomfortable for the scumbags![/B]

Yeah, and you can imagine all the fun they've have with holding up trams just for giggles. Not gonna work.

ShaneScouse · 22-08-2012 5:01pm

Rub a dub dub, cat in my tub

n97 mini · 22-08-2012 7:11pm

300% more, as it has 3 times more. Your maths aint great!

22-08-2012 7:31pm

n97 mini wrote: »

300% more, as it has 3 times more. Your maths aint great!

3 times as many = 200% more. Just to be clear.

ShaneScouse · 22-08-2012 11:15pm

Well now, it would appear i half arsed read your post and was thinking whats this lad on about 300%, 75% of the problems were on the red line.
Ill just slink away slowly now..

(and ye its 200%, if john has kicked 2 kittens, but bill has kicked 6 kittens. he has kicked 3 times as many as john, 4 more, 2 being the original so 200% as its 2x100%)

Delancey · 23-08-2012 12:12am

Had to reluctantly travel on the Red Line last week - junkies all over it selling drugs , thats right the LUAS is now the equivalent of the boardwalk. Shame the way a handful of scumbags are allowed destroy it.

dermo88 · 23-08-2012 1:30am

Aside from transport, I think its been a long time since I had one of my nice neo-nazi right wing rants. If its offensive, I'll edit it. But this is how I see it, agree to disagree.

OBSERVATION:

The problem starts from childhood. All too often their parents placated their litle ba$tard with a concoction of Yop Yoghurt, Tayto and Coke, while they proceeded to watch Man United and get pissed in the pub while their 'high spirited' 'free spirited' little ba$tard surrounded by Wayne and Waynetta's other little ba$tards proceeded to be 'free spirited' and annoy everyone in the process. I'm pretty sure we are on Generation 3 of social welfare dependent ba$tards, if we consider the first one who created it were thrown on the economic scrapheap by the 1974 oil crisis, when their kids were around 10 or so, and the current batch of breeders have been thoroughly shafted by economic circumstances since 2008. We all know one thing. The devil makes work for idle hands.

Now we have a whole industry of Lawyers and clinical psychologists dedicated to creating excuses for them. Of course, you know I can be quite rude and vindictive, to give an example, it was my last day working as a barman in 1995. Finally, after 3 years, someone was going to get told a few home truths. And I was going to enjoy every minute for being described as 'posh boy' and 'fag%ot'

EXPERIENCE; Sept 1995, Dublin.

Overhearing a conversation complaining about Thatcher.....as I dropped off their order of copious amounts of 'Bud", Volka...Red Bull and Ritz"....Classy huh.

"Its okay Jacinteh. What would you know about the working class, beyond spreading your legs to drop another useless ba$tard from your fanny who'll end up with a needle stuck in his arm. But thats fine, because de 'real working class' like my mates and I will be paying for it. Which is more than you know how to do. As for calling me ******, West Brit, snob, as soon as I get my degree, Ill be out of this effing dump, and I will go somewhere else. Somewhere where I will never ever have to put up with dirt like you. I may as well say it now Jacinteh, you love living in ignorance, and take pride in it. You love your little ba$tards by three different men who rode you, but they are always right, they got all they wanted, and now where are they. The Joy.....one. Wheatfield...two. Three....I had to chuck out because he was underage, and you did'nt listen.....13 and hes tried to come into a pub for a drink.....where is that money coming from? Another coke deal? A burglary? The other three.....are'nt they lovely.....free spirited. Give em Yop, coke and crisps. It will be fine. We'll pay you, you pay Ladbrokes, then you pay the Bar, which pays me. Good..... Jesus Christ, in a sane world you'd be sterlised after Conor (the eldest). 6 kids......6 effing kids.....you scare me". Don't even think I don't know what goes on, I've watched, and you've insulted me. I'd make it my aim, I'd swear on my Grandmothers grave to destroy you, but I pity you more than I hate you, because you are not intelligent, you're just a stupid waste of space. A vacuum fanny. Nothing else"

In front of all her mates. She starts bawling crying. All her mates started laughing. The wagon deserved it, because brat number three was in 'hostipal' after not paying his dealer (I did'nt know that, but talk about an oddly sadistic holding in laughter moment when I did find out and had to be diplomatic about the violent thug). "OOh......How sad.....". Pity he did'nt finish the job. She complained to the pub manager. The pub manager (Jesus Dermo, I still have to live with these people, their money is the only thing that keeps me sane) came down to me. I went to apologise.

Which I did.....before explaining my rationale. And yes.....its my last day. Freedom. I'll never ever ever have to deal with such horrible, backward, knuckle dragging mongs again in my life. Apart from the odd Saudi who I'll accidentally deliberately over-invoice for obnoxious-4uckerism, and pocket the difference for the sheer displeasure of ever dealing with them. The good thing is they have so much they don't notice.

A few weeks later I was met by some of her decent acquaintances who were there. The ones who don't sound like an Angry Bird flying towards pigs.

"Jeez D, that was classic, the night of the Man U game. You said what we all wanted to say for years, but were afraid to tell the silly wagon"

My revenge on here was better than that. Vacuum fanny became her nickname. I am proud to say I coined it.....
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SOLUTION:

A few belts of hurleys and baseball bats from vigilantes is the only thing these people understand. They are animals, nothing less, and the only place they have on rails is in a cattle truck (Those who know me long enough know which defunct European Railway company I recommend for the job).

These people are the reason why Dubliners were denied decent public transport for decades. It was all about respect. If the people don't have respect, then they won't have it. But until Dubliners realise that these scummers caused it, and need to be eliminated, by fair means or foul, the problem will remain. The sad thing is, only 2% of the population ruined it for the decent honest ones out there. That 2% created a pack herd mentality and influenced another 15%, and in the no-hope ghettoes of West Tallaght, Clondalkin, Blanchardstown, Coolock, Ballymun. I nearly became one of those 15%, and 3 hours in a jail cell at 15 soon stopped that nonsense. I dread to even think, how many more lived in fear of them. The Gardai, sadly know who they are, but cannot do anything about it, being....after all....bound by legal procedure and human rights considerations.

God, I am such a right wing fascist.......and its my experience thats caused it. My friends turned out decent, as for myself.....being a racist keyboard right wing fascist is not brave or anything to be proud of. But don't worry, one day I'll stand, hold hands with de Jacinteh's of de wurld, sing Kumbayah, and say love, peace and equality. But thats also the same day that Jacinteh's little Waynetta's actually conduct themselves in a dignified manner (Hang on its 2012, 1995 is 17 years ago), so Jacinteh should be.....

62

Probably a Great Grandmother.....

(VOMITS)

Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya......Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya....................

ShaneScouse · 23-08-2012 5:21pm

Delancey wrote: »

Had to reluctantly travel on the Red Line last week - junkies all over it selling drugs

Oh come now, I don't doubt you maybe have had a unpleasent ride or saw 'scumbagy' stuff. But that type of talk is whats wrong in this thread :P

gugleguy · 23-08-2012 5:25pm

Dublinbus - wise route 56A roughly follows the Red Line in many places?

ShaneScouse · 23-08-2012 8:32pm

gugleguy wrote: »

Dublinbus - wise route 56A roughly follows the Red Line in many places?

It kinda does I guess, iirc it goes past 1 or 2 same places In tallaght, crumlin and town the luas does but it aint exactly the same, and ofc they cut it down massive amounts due to the luas and I think like 90% of them are 56s not 56As now and come very rarely, and ofc daftly late. It heads into the stephens green end of town and through ballymount industrial aswell, which ofc luas goes nowhere near

Irish and Proud · 24-08-2012 1:25pm

dermo88 wrote: »

Aside from transport, I think its been a long time since I had one of my nice neo-nazi right wing rants. If its offensive, I'll edit it. But this is how I see it, agree to disagree.<snip>

I'd certainly agree to point in what you're saying, even if it is a bit extreme. There's no doubt that something needs to be done with unruly teenagers, parenting and the social welfare system. I will reiterate that I would have good confidence in a boot camp system that is properly run. Teenagers need to be held to account and the defiant "What will you do if I don't?" mentality would gradually dissolve as the word gets around about the experience of friends being incarcerated in such institutions (possibly run by the army).

Parents who repeatedly bring children into the world in an irresponsible manner should possibly be sterilized IMO (male and female that is - although I'm male, the man needn't think he'd escape my wrath!) - who has the right to create a life and then abuse and/or neglect it - and as a result, also create social problems for other people and especially other children. Parenting laws need a lot of tightening IMO.

Children Allowance should be phased out and replaced with benefits in kind such as a comprehensive school meals programme, significant measures to reduce costs in education (uniforms, books etc) as well as maintaining/improving the health system for children - the new children's hospital would be a start. We also need to make Ireland a bit more family friendly rather than the current 'every man for himself' mentality. Then there's the issue of bad urban planning (with lack of proper roads and transport being frequently the case) but also importantly the lack of community.

We really need to rethink how this country is run IMO.

PS. Sorry Mods for going a bit OT...

popebenny16 · 28-08-2012 9:51am

dermo88 wrote: »

rant

yes, nothing anti-social there whatsoever. you are exactly the same as the ones causing the trouble on the luas, you just dont have the balls to do it.

Del2005 · 28-08-2012 4:32pm

ShaneScouse wrote: »

Oh come now, I don't doubt you maybe have had a unpleasent ride or saw 'scumbagy' stuff. But that type of talk is whats wrong in this thread :P

I know someone who drives the Luas and the stuff on this thread isn't even the tip of the iceberg on what's happening on the red line.

Do you not think it's a bit strange that loads of people are posting about major issues and you are one of the few lucky ones who doesn't see major antisocial issues on the Luas so you think everyone else is exaggerating.

frag420 · 28-08-2012 5:07pm

Del2005 wrote: »

I know someone who drives the Luas and the stuff on this thread isn't even the tip of the iceberg on what's happening on the red line.

Do you not think it's a bit strange that loads of people are posting about major issues and you are one of the few lucky ones who doesn't see major antisocial issues on the Luas so you think everyone else is exaggerating.

Care to share some of his stories with us or are you just a tease??:D

Del2005 · 29-08-2012 7:54am

frag420 wrote: »

Care to share some of his stories with us or are you just a tease??:D

It's more the back round to the stories on here and company policy stuff, can't really post online.

AlekSmart · 29-08-2012 12:33pm

Del2005 wrote: »

It's more the back round to the stories on here and company policy stuff, can't really post online.

I suspect that much of the reluctance may be connected with legal issues in relation to both ongoing cases and liability going forward.

Suffice to say there are several different agencies interacting here,each one keen to limit THEIR own exposure to liability (OR Bad Press :eek: )

Loafing Oaf · 09-09-2013 5:30pm

I use the red line a fair bit and generally don't find it too bad. However, the begging/harassment at the Heuston Station stop is pretty aggravating. Apologies if this has been addressed upthread, but do the Luas operators have the same responsibility for stuff going on at the stops as they do on the carriages?

dfx- · 09-09-2013 5:42pm

ShaneScouse wrote: »

It kinda does I guess, iirc it goes past 1 or 2 same places In tallaght, crumlin and town the luas does but it aint exactly the same, and ofc they cut it down massive amounts due to the luas and I think like 90% of them are 56s not 56As now and come very rarely, and ofc daftly late. It heads into the stephens green end of town and through ballymount industrial aswell, which ofc luas goes nowhere near

Cookstown, Belgard, Fettercairn/Springfield, Square, Kingswood, 5 minutes to the Red Cow, 2 minutes to Kylemore. They're all 56As now, every 75 minutes and generally quiet and peaceful. Brand new GTs as well lately.

The Red Line is covered almost all stops by some bus route, be it the 123, 69, 27, 56A, 13, 40

Onthe3rdDay · 09-09-2013 6:22pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I use the red line a fair bit and generally don't find it too bad. However, the begging/harassment at the Heuston Station stop is pretty aggravating. Apologies if this has been addressed upthread, but do the Luas operators have the same responsibility for stuff going on at the stops as they do on the carriages?

I get the bus to Cork from Dublin Airport now rather than go into the city centre for the Train. It adds about half an hour to the trip but I don't have to go near Heuston, Busaras and the Luas Red line. I don't think there's any real danger for me in any of these areas but they're highly unpleasant and there's always a sense of something just about to kick of on the Luas. Don't need the stress. I'm regularly in various cities here and the UK and Dublin is the only one were there's this level of hassle around public transport.

Loafing Oaf · 09-09-2013 6:45pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

I get the bus to Cork from Dublin Airport now rather than go into the city centre for the Train. It adds about half an hour to the trip but I don't have to go near Heuston, Busaras and the Luas Red line. I don't think there's any real danger for me in any of these areas but they're highly unpleasant and there's always a sense of something just about to kick of on the Luas. Don't need the stress. I'm regularly in various cities here and the UK and Dublin is the only one were there's this level of hassle around public transport.

Wow that's a pretty extreme reaction: I couldn't bear taking that length of a bus journey on a regular basis.:eek: I'm a non-driver who was thinking about buying an apartment in Kilmainham/Islandbridge area but I may have to reconsider now...

What prompted my post was witnessing two beggars having a stand-up row for about five minutes at Heuston Luas one Sunday night recently. Didn't feel like it was gonna get violent or anything, but there was no sign of anyone in authority coming to sort it out. Is there noone monitoring these stops by CCTV or anything?

kerry4sam · 09-09-2013 7:41pm

darkman2 wrote: »

I think I am in a majority that calls for the line to be dismantled. Anti social behaviour and far worse is the norm on this tram line. Dubliners are intimidated and what of tourists? It goes through the city centre - it is embarrassing and disgraceful. Of course it ferries scum (for free) from Tallaght to the Children's court (great planning that eh?) and no matter what security is on it it will not make any difference. The scumbags have the run of it. When the judge let's the feral children out after 10 convictions they simply hop on the tram and go home (not paying of course and intimidating passengers). I think the line should be closed because it is a free ride for scum in and out of our capital city and addicts looking for the clinic behind Clearys. Until the council use their heads I don't think this line should remain open. I think the line is dangerous and represents an appalling image of this city to tourists who are also at risk of harm.

Only a matter of time before someone is killed within a tram on that line. Mark my words that will happen. Anyone that cannot see the security implications with this line is a complete idiot and clearly has never used the tram.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

... I'm a non-driver who was thinking about buying an apartment in Kilmainham/Islandbridge area but I may have to reconsider now...

What prompted my post was witnessing two beggars having a stand-up row for about five minutes at Heuston Luas one Sunday night recently. Didn't feel like it was gonna get violent or anything, but there was no sign of anyone in authority coming to sort it out. Is there noone monitoring these stops by CCTV or anything?

I've never felt intimidated in Dublin any time I am up there. Maybe I must spend a week or so there to try and see what people are referring to in the Dublin City forum and on this thread also even.

~ The worse I've seen was a professional photo-shoot on the Luas line outside Heustson; area was being monitored as security made 4announcements for them to cease; luas pulled up ding-a-ling-a-ling; photo-shoot wraps up before Luas departs again

~ Seen people begging but no-one has ever bothered me.
~ Seen a few scuffles, but nothing to be clasping at my handbag in fright about
~ Took Luas out to Tallaght not too long ago and never seen an ounce of bother or hassle. Saw some un-savoury sorts I would not care to have follow me on a night out, but no-one affected me in any ways
~ Overheard some family stories on the red luas-line from people in person and in conversations over the phone that just make my shoulders drop particularly on court-days
however,
~ I only ever seem to get asked for directions or restaurant tips by tourists wandering around the City.

I cannot relate to the opening post in this thread at all in any way & I always get bus from airport to Heuston for train to Kerry and never once encountered any grief.

I just don't know what to make of negative threads like this about our Capital,

Must admit to always see the Bright Side of Life; and try my Best to see some Good in Everyone,
Maybe that has something to do with it,
I don't know,
kerry4sam

Infini · 09-09-2013 8:03pm

No need to close the line just bring in new transport laws against scummers. Bring in transport police NOT just security and lock them up for 5 years or so in some island prison if they carry on for any reason. Also none of this carryon with kids and that if they act up they get locked up no BS no excuses no mercy etc

conorhal · 09-09-2013 8:50pm

Well this thread has been going for a while, and the most depressing thing about it is the fact that the same gripes still keep repeating. The sad truth is that nobody in this country ever seems to have the drive or determination to fix a problem that might require tough choices.

The busses started to go downhill almost as soon as the conductor dissapeared. My grandad was a CIE bus conductor, 6ft 3in and a former boxer, unsurprisingy there wasn't any pissing aobut on his route, and this was the 60's, so if there was there was any messing there a good chance you'd leave the bus ...while it was still moving. Bring them back

If you don't enfore the rules, you can't be surprised if nobody obeys them. There needs to be a dedicated transport police, and forget court dates, on the spot fines should be the order of the day.

Transport police need to be able to effectively enforce the rules, if you're done for antisocial behaviour you loose your free social welfare pass. Gone. That would be an effective deterrent.

The childrens court and drugs clinics need to go, out of the city center. In their wisdom Focus Ireland opened a soup kitchen in the heart of Temple Bar, the epi-center of tourism in Dublin attracting dozens of homeless into the area, it may seem heartless to those hearts that bleed, but close it, it makes absolutely no sense.

Begging needs to be banned in tourist areas, tourism contributes hundreds of millions to the economy of the city, beggers at every luas stop do not.

And finally, you, yes you!

Stand the feck up for Gods sake. A while back I had to challenge a group of four or five kids throwing stuff and threatening an elderly couple on the Luas. The abuse I took from them left me only marginally more angry then the fact that there must have been 20-30 grown men on that Luas that suddenly found something facinating to stare at out the window. It's your Luas, if you can't take it back from a 12yr old it serves you right if your journey is miserable.

alphabeat · 09-09-2013 10:27pm

its not the red line ,

its the ' COMEEEAAHHHHHHRRRR ' LINE

Aard · 09-09-2013 11:30pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Wow that's a pretty extreme reaction: I couldn't bear taking that length of a bus journey on a regular basis.:eek: I'm a non-driver who was thinking about buying an apartment in Kilmainham/Islandbridge area but I may have to reconsider now...

I get the Luas at Heuston a lot and honestly there is very little trouble. Yes, there is usually at least one dodgy-looking person around, but there are also Luas staff in high-vis, Luas security, and Houston security. Not to mention consistent streams of commuters on and off the train. I've never found the Heuston area to be rough, which is unusual as train stations go. It's not particularly useful to junkies/troublemakers as nobody really lives in the immediate area.

The red line in from Heuston is grand 9/10 times, and when there is an incident it's between the junkies/drunks. The most irritating thing about the red line is groups of knackery 14 year old girls shouting their heads off, singing in your ear, or slagging people off. And they know nobody can do anything about it.

ezra_pound · 09-09-2013 11:50pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

That public money is already ensuring the survival of Irish Rail and Bus Eireann and Dublin Bus. Remove the Free travel and you would also have to remove Subvention and none of the CIE companies would survive losing so many customers overnight! lose all the free pass people and they would have to get rid of half their staff as well as about half their vehicles and services would have to be seriously curtailed.

Absolute rubbish. do you mean the subvention based on 1974 prices? what customers are you suggesting they'd lose? The one's who don't pay. This post makes no sense.

Onthe3rdDay · 10-09-2013 2:21am

Aard wrote: »

I get the Luas at Heuston a lot and honestly there is very little trouble. Yes, there is usually at least one dodgy-looking person around, but there are also Luas staff in high-vis, Luas security, and Houston security. Not to mention consistent streams of commuters on and off the train. I've never found the Heuston area to be rough, which is unusual as train stations go. It's not particularly useful to junkies/troublemakers as nobody really lives in the immediate area.

The red line in from Heuston is grand 9/10 times, and when there is an incident it's between the junkies/drunks. The most irritating thing about the red line is groups of knackery 14 year old girls shouting their heads off, singing in your ear, or slagging people off. And they know nobody can do anything about it.

The Heuston stop wouldn't be the biggest problem as such but I was on the red line about once a week and there was always some kind of minor hassle. You couldn't relax you have be on your guard. Now in all cities that's the case but it's only in Dublin that there seems to be no clamp down, As you say it's grand 9/10 times, but it's that one in ten that a pain. Plus as you say there's always one dodgy person around. I've gotten used to not dealing with it elsewhere. So taking the Bus from the Airport rather than the train from the city centre I can avoid the hassle.

Red Luas line should be closed

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