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country beat wrote: »Would Trinity accept a year in Pharmacy as Pre-med, seeing as they only do a 5 year Med course and don't have a Pre-med year
Not sure for TCD but my friend did pharm in TCD for a year then skipped premed in NUIGalway so Im sure you could. He also got top of his year in 1st year xmas exams and he said it was because of doing pharmacy
So yea, Im sure they would let you (and by the way, they don't offer you the choice, I think they put you in the 5 or 6 year course and you can't switch. Not fully sure tho).
So if you're setting yourself up for a 5 year course, be sure thats what you want 0 -
Also, the idea that girls do better in section 2 was proposed because girls tend to be better able to convey their feelings and emotions. At our age this is definitely true (eg. guys don't share feelings caus were hard :P). But thats not to say guys can't share/convey/understand emotions as well as their double x chromosome bearing counterparts Any guy who's going for a good english result will whiz through S2.
The idea thats boys are better at section 3 is supported by two ideas;
-people who do higher maths are better at S3/logical questions,
-more boys do HL maths
Now both of these are kinda true so on the bigger scale, boys will do better in S3 and girls will do better in S2 (despite re-standardising gender biased questions).
But the 'bigger scale' usually has little significance when it comes to individual candidates. If you are a girl doing HL maths, or a guy who likes analyzing other people, these generalisations mean absolutely nothing
I have one friend who's a guy and got 65 on S2 this year (which is pretty good, not amazing) and a girl who got 85-90 (can't remember exactly) on S3 which is sick :P0 -
tweetybird4848 wrote: »Hi I am a repeat hpat candidate and am now sitting on an overall score of 748. I am literally diving myself insane going over the possibilities of how the points will increase! I would be delighted with Galway but is there any way that there could be a 20 point jump this year for Galway?
All the people that I have been talking to have done exceptionally well in the hpat With most being in the 90+ percentile, are the percentiles accurate or is there any way that more people are in the upper percentiles then it seems?
Finally I was wondering how many people going for medicine have honours Maths/ have done well enough in honours Maths to be eligible to count the 25 extra points!
Thanks!
I find it impossible to imagine a 20 point jump, but then I'm an optimist. If points jumped that high, you'd need to about 90th percentile to have any chance, regardless of LC score and everyone else would be the same. Which would mean only about 10% of students would get in. About 3000 sit the hpat I think, which would mean 300 students. Which isn't enough to fill all of the places (which were in the 300s I think, plus UCC which is about 75 give-or-take). So I'm going to be bold and say NO, Galway will not reach 748, or even 740.
However, my argument is watery to say the least :P
In relation to you wondering about the percentiles... Well, similar to my excellent example above, 10% of students are 90th percentile or above. I dunno, maybe you're in a HPAT nerd cluster, I dunno :pac:
And as for the HL maths bonusy people, that was before my day... How old and withered I feel...
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~33,000 leaving cert students Each year
Probability of getting an A1 in HL maths: ~ 6.9 %
Probability of getting a B2 or higher in HL maths: ~36%
Probability of getting over 500 points in the leaving: ~8%
Probability of getting 80th percentile: ~ 20%
P(over 500 & 80th percentile): (0.08 x 0.2) = 0.016
=> 528 students
P(B2 or higher in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.36x0.2x0.08) = 0.00576
=> 190 students
P(A1 in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.08 x0.2x0.069) = 0.001104
=> 36 students
Numbers don't look to bad actually, the gross over/under simplifications might be cancelling each other out on both sides making these figures highly accurate!!
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Also, the idea that girls do better in section 2 was proposed because girls tend to be better able to convey their feelings and emotions. At our age this is definitely true (eg. guys don't share feelings caus were hard :P). But thats not to say guys can't share/convey/understand emotions as well as their double x chromosome bearing counterparts Any guy who's going for a good english result will whiz through S2.
The idea thats boys are better at section 3 is supported by two ideas;
-people who do higher maths are better at S3/logical questions,
-more boys do HL maths
Now both of these are kinda true so on the bigger scale, boys will do better in S3 and girls will do better in S2 (despite re-standardising gender biased questions).
But the 'bigger scale' usually has little significance when it comes to individual candidates. If you are a girl doing HL maths, or a guy who likes analyzing other people, these generalisations mean absolutely nothing
I have one friend who's a guy and got 65 on S2 this year (which is pretty good, not amazing) and a girl who got 85-90 (can't remember exactly) on S3 which is sick :P
I don't know that doing well in section 3 has any link to doing well in honours maths. I mean, I think honours maths is a walk in the park, but I only scored 53 in section 3. Maybe I'm an exception, I don't know, but I wouldn't make that assumption anyway.
I would be inclined to agree with girls generally doing better in section 2 and boys better in section 3 though, but I wouldn't say there's a huge difference based on gender.0 -
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~33,000 leaving cert students Each year
Probability of getting an A1 in HL maths: ~ 6.9 %
Probability of getting a B2 or higher in HL maths: ~36%
Probability of getting over 500 points in the leaving: ~8%
Probability of getting 80th percentile: ~ 20%
P(over 500 & 80th percentile): (0.08 x 0.2) = 0.016
=> 528 students
P(B2 or higher in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.36x0.2x0.08) = 0.00576
=> 190 students
P(A1 in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.08 x0.2x0.069) = 0.001104
=> 36 students
Numbers don't look to bad actually, the gross over/under simplifications might be cancelling each other out on both sides making these figures highly accurate!!
Hollingr makes maths fun :pac:0 -
8% of all LC students get over 500 points, but I think that figure would be higher for medicine applicants as generally people who apply for medicine are going to be higher achievers? I think that's a fair assumption to make, maybe 30% or more med applicants get over 500.~33,000 leaving cert students Each year
Probability of getting an A1 in HL maths: ~ 6.9 %
Probability of getting a B2 or higher in HL maths: ~36%
Probability of getting over 500 points in the leaving: ~8%
Probability of getting 80th percentile: ~ 20%
P(over 500 & 80th percentile): (0.08 x 0.2) = 0.016
=> 528 students
P(B2 or higher in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.36x0.2x0.08) = 0.00576
=> 190 students
P(A1 in maths, over 500pts, 80th percentile): (0.08 x0.2x0.069) = 0.001104
=> 36 students
Numbers don't look to bad actually, the gross over/under simplifications might be cancelling each other out on both sides making these figures highly accurate!!
Do you not also think that maybe there's some correlation between doing well in honours maths and doing well in the hpat? I'm not saying there definitely is, but it's a possibility. There could also be a correlation between doing well in the LC and in the hpat.
I don't think we'll ever know for sure if such correlations exist, but I wouldn't say they're unlikely.0 -
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As I said, plenty of gross over simplifications in there!
Also remember that 3000 people take hpat, but that figure is calculated based on 33,000, a huge difference.
Also the maths figure I calculated is based on all l.c students, in reality far less actually even do honours maths.
I'm just guessing that the overestimations will roughly cancel out the underestimations! 0 -
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Eurovisionmad wrote: »I suppose the better question is when did everyone start preparing for the HPAT?
I repeated the hpat this year and went from 167 to 204. I signed up to a particular prep course at the start of September and tried to do 3-4 hours a week until December, then 7 hours a week with a practice exam at the weekend and gradually built it up and decreased my hours nearer the time so i wouldn't be sick of it on the day!! :P It's probably different for everyone but i thought consistency is definitely the key! And starting as early as September i felt in control (especially for a worrier like me! :P ) and didn't panic when things weren't going my way at the start! There's no harm in signing up early anyway and having an ole read through the guides would even get you more focused! Btw, best of luck! 
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doctorbecs wrote: »i agree completely here... just to give u a rough idea... the people in my course we all got in and around the 530-540 range in lc last year... that made us work extra hard on HPAT and not one of us are below 93rd percentile entering cao last year. as an example i only got 530 points and am sitting on 765 this year as are most of my course. you simply cannot rule out people who dont achieve the 550+s
Again.. I never said they should be ruled out. I am one of them!
How many of those in the 530 range in your class also had A1's in maths?0 -
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tweetybird4848 wrote: »765 is a huge amount of points but logically how many can be on 765. Also are you in medicine or what course are you in and how many people are getting these huge points? This is really freaking me out, do you therefore think that there could be a huge jump in points this year?
I think you've just been unlucky with all the people you've been talking to having high scores! Look at the graph, you can see how many people are on each score, and obviously for all those in the >90's you have thousands on less than that.
I can pretty much guarantee you that the points won't go to 765 anyway :P But no one can predict the points, its been a guessing game every year. They will probably go up by a few points, but in my opinion* they won't sky rocket like they did last year.
*I really hope my opinion is right, but don't hold me to it, k? :P0 -
QueenOfLeon wrote: »tweetybird4848 wrote: »765 is a huge amount of points but logically how many can be on 765. Also are you in medicine or what course are you in and how many people are getting these huge points? This is really freaking me out, do you therefore think that there could be a huge jump in points this year?
I think you've just been unlucky with all the people you've been talking to having high scores! Look at the graph, you can see how many people are on each score, and obviously for all those in the >90's you have thousands on less than that.
I can pretty much guarantee you that the points won't go to 765 anyway :P But no one can predict the points, its been a guessing game every year. They will probably go up by a few points, but in my opinion* they won't sky rocket like they did last year.
*I really hope my opinion is right, but don't hold me to it, k? :P
Thank you that was very encouraging! I am trying to study for college exams and this is driving me crazy! I want to do medicine so badly and I have myself convinced that points will rise by 20 and I'll miss out! Hopefully only a small rise will be seen!0 -
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