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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

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    #2012
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    The CEO said at the end of 2013 the the cost base at the airport is a concern and needs to be addressed.

    Yeah they may not need some staff, if there is a duplication of job roles, or staff wages are too high. Staff who have been there for years are on huge money and hourly rates and these staff need to be let go and filled by lower paid staff or else there wages reduced. Again a profitable company that was not when under the DAA. I'm sure there has been numerous changes to DAA staff contracts.

    Ryanairs deal has nothing to do it so get over that one yeah.


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    #2013
    Jamie2k9
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    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Yeah they may not need some staff, if there is a duplication of job roles, or staff wages are too high. Staff who have been there for years are on huge money and hourly rates and these staff need to be let go and filled by lower paid staff or else there wages reduced. Again a profitable company that was not when under the DAA. I'm sure there has been numerous changes to DAA staff contracts.

    With unions involved it's not as easy and could go really badly wrong.
    Ryanairs deal has nothing to do it so get over that one yeah.

    Of course they are, Ryanair and all airlines pay the airport and that revenue should cover staffing costs of providing the facilities and enough to make profit.


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    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Of course they are, Ryanair and all airlines pay the airport and that revenue should cover staffing costs of providing the facilities and enough to make profit.

    There you go! Right on the ball! Shannon is now getting more than €200,000 that it didn't get before the RYR deal!

    And those 200,000 passengers, do they not spend money in the facilities? In the shops, restaurants etc?


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    #2015
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    With unions involved it's not as easy and could go really badly wrong.



    Of course they are, Ryanair and all airlines pay the airport and that revenue should cover staffing costs of providing the facilities and enough to make profit.

    Wrong. That may be the case in Dublin. But I'm sure through all your in depth research you'll find that Shannon Group consists not only of the airport but of four different business. So maybe the reduncies aren't (or are) part of the airport business but instead from Shannon Hertiage, IASC of Shannon Properties. The airport maybe performing perfectly well but IASC or properties for example not to expectations. Could be wrong but don't jump to irrational conclusions. Look at the bigger picture and stop being so fixated on the Ryanair deal. Ryanair have a deal in Dublin, Shannon, STN, IAWK, Kerry, Oslo, Barelona, the list goes on. SNN is no different


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    #2016
    Jamie2k9
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    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Wrong. That may be the case in Dublin. But I'm sure through all your in depth research you'll find that Shannon Group consists not only of the airport but of four different business. So maybe the reduncies aren't (or are) part of the airport business but instead from Shannon Hertiage, IASC of Shannon Properties. The airport maybe performing perfectly well but IASC or properties for example not to expectations. Could be wrong but don't jump to irrational conclusions. Look at the bigger picture and stop being so fixated on the Ryanair deal. Ryanair have a deal in Dublin, Shannon, STN, IAWK, Kerry, Oslo, Barelona, the list goes on. SNN is no different

    Yes they are a group but each part of the group needs to preform that means the airport needs to be profitable by who uses it and so on.

    Ryanair have a deal at Dublin however Dublin Airport is making a profit dispite this deal.


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    #2017
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Yes they are a group but each part of the group needs to preform that means the airport needs to be profitable by who uses it and so on.

    Ryanair have a deal at Dublin however Dublin Airport is making a profit dispite this deal.

    Brings me back the point that you again choose not to address. It's a profitable company!!!!! which was NOT profitable under the DAA!!! So evidently its performing. You obviously haven't been there recently? Seen the busy holiday flights (busy Ryanair flights), packed American flights? Packed restaurant landslide and airside, significant duty free renevations?

    And Shannon are making a profit 'despite' this deal. Where are you going with this? United, Aer Lingus, Turkish Airlines, Delta, American Airlines, FedEx, BA etc all fly though SNN (in case you had forgeotten) and you think this "deal" that Ryanair have is apparently making SNN not "perform"? :rolleyes:


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    #2018
    Jamie2k9
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    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Brings me back the point that you again choose not to address. It's a profitable company!!!!! which was NOT profitable under the DAA!!! So evidently its performing. You obviously haven't been there recently? Seen the busy holiday flights (busy Ryanair flights), packed American flights? Packed restaurant landslide and airside, significant duty free renevations?

    And Shannon are making a profit 'despite' this deal. Where are you going with this? United, Aer Lingus, Turkish Airlines, Delta, American Airlines, FedEx, BA etc all fly though SNN (in case you had forgeotten) and you think this "deal" that Ryanair have is apparently making SNN not "perform"? :rolleyes:

    I fully understand it's a profitable company but the 600,000 it made last year is gong to be wiped out overnight with the runway works required soon.

    I am well aware of the numbers Ryanair are carrying at the airport...


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    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I fully understand it's a profitable company but the 600,000 it made last year is gong to be wiped out overnight with the runway works required soon.

    I am well aware of the numbers Ryanair are carrying at the airport...

    So what's your point exactly?
    Also do you have a figure for the cost of the runway repairs and estimated profit for this year?


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    #2020
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I fully understand it's a profitable company but the 600,000 it made last year is gong to be wiped out overnight with the runway works required soon.

    I am well aware of the numbers Ryanair are carrying at the airport...

    Yeah, what is your point? And don't try get around what you said about the Ryanair deal. How is this (with proper evidence) affecting the entire airport (and Shannon Group) and having an apparent negative impact on the airports operation? :D


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    #2021
    Jamie2k9
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    So what's your point exactly?
    Also do you have a figure for the cost of the runway repairs and estimated profit for this year?

    DUB have a cost of 22.5 million for an overlay, now SNN has a longer runway so could be higher.

    Not cheap by any stretch. It will take SNN a long time to recover the costs.

    Just to be clear SNN have said an overlay is required soon.


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    #2022
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,675 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Yeah, what is your point? And don't try get around what you said about the Ryanair deal. How is this (with proper evidence) affecting the entire airport (and Shannon Group) and having an apparent negative impact on the airports operation? :D

    All I said is each part of the group needs to stand on it's own feet and shouldn't be dependent on one area.


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    #2023
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    All I said is each part of the group needs to stand on it's own feet and shouldn't be dependent on one area.

    That's common sense. Each of the groups business already stands on its "own feet" and is not dependent on one area. Each of the business' is profitable.

    The obsession with the Ryanair deal is brought into everything, plucked out of thin air with absolutely no evidence or reasoning for it. Beginning to see a pattern here me thinks :cool:


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    #2024
    elastico
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    that means the airport needs to be profitable by who uses it and so on.

    No you are wrong. The airport does not need to be profitable, stop being so childish.

    Irish rail and all its stations lose money. Let's close irish rail. Let's close the health service. Let's close the west of Ireland and move everybody to dublin, adding to the overcrowding, high prices and lack of services already there.

    If shannon airport loses money but supports the wider economy attracting foreign companies and lots of tourists adding positively to the bottom line of the region then that's a good thing, as modest loses will be recouped many times downstream.

    Get over it.


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    #2025
    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Job losses at Shannon under fire (Independent)

    Shannon Group yesterday confirmed that it is exploring the prospect of a voluntary redundancy scheme to make its various business units, including Shannon airport, more competitive.

    It is understood that the group is seeking around 40 redundancies though a spokesman for the group wouldn't be drawn on any particular number.

    The current job levels of 280 are for traffic levels for around four million passengers per annum and last year, Shannon's passenger numbers totalled 1.7m.

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    Discussion with Shannon Airport Authority January 2013 (Oireachtas)

    Ms Rose Hynes: There are circa 230 people working in Shannon Airport.

    There is no intention to reduce the number of jobs; rather, the intention is to grow the pie and increase passenger numbers.

    The airport caters for just 1.4 million passengers, but it has the capacity to cater for 4.5 million.

    The target is to achieve a figure of 2.5 million.

    What will be required in this regard is significant cost efficiency.

    We need to grow revenues and passenger numbers and have effective work practices.

    We will work with our staff to this end.

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    I suppose the difference in job levels for the airport (280 and 230 jobs) quoted above must be seasonal.


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    #2026
    highlydebased
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    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/planning/shannon-airport-seeks-to-upgrade-airside-facilities-1-6793247
    MANAGEMENT at Shannon Airport are looking to make a number of alterations to its passenger facilities.

    According to plans submitted to An Bord Pleanala, the Shannon Airport Authority is planning to carry out a major refurbishment to its transit lounge, arrivals hall and departure gates.

    The departure lounge will be refurbished, and will see a new retail unit and children’s play area.

    Meanwhile, the ageing departure gate area on the ground floor of the facility will also be upgraded.

    It is this area which is primarily used by budget airline Ryanair on flights bound for Britain and continental Europe.

    The proposals will see this area refurbished, with the replacement of what is described as 1970s external curtain walling, and cladding.

    The toilets will also be refurbished.

    Meanwhile, the arrivals hall is also set for a face-lift, which will see refurbishments to the flooring, ceiling, toilets and ancillary areas.

    Included in this will be a new ground-level customer entrance for passengers arriving from Europe, as well as the relocation of the Customs, Immigration and Department of Agriculture offices elsewhere in arrivals.

    The plans will also see an internal reconfiguration of the customer immigration queuing system, while the existing passport check desks will be moved.

    Speaking to the Leader at a Chamber event held to provide an update on the Limerick 2030 project, airport chief executive Neil Pakey said the plans will “enhance the whole customer experience”.

    “At the moment, we are demolishing an old part of the airport. It is not affecting our operation, or the passenger experience at all,” he said.

    Asked about job prospects if these works get the go-ahead, he said: “I think with our ongoing development projects, clearly construction workers will come and go, and we would hope this will sustain employment and create some new jobs. But there is nothing major in the short term.”

    But, he promised job opportunities are coming down the line at the airport, “and there will be announcements in due course.”

    “We are investing a lot, we are playing catch-up somewhat. We are a new company, which has inherited old assets, and there are brilliant opportunities there,” he added. The Shannon Airport Authority had applied to An Bord Pleanala to have this project considered Strategic Infrastructure Development, a move which would have sped up the process by removing the local planning authority from the equation.

    This planning designation is reserved for big public projects like roads and seaports.

    However, An Bord Pleanala said the airport would have to apply to Clare County Council in the first instance, as they feel the proposal “does not constitute strategic infrastructure development”.

    One of the reasons, they said, is “no new critical infrastructure is proposed”.


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    #2027
    Jamie2k9
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    elastico wrote: »
    No you are wrong. The airport does not need to be profitable, stop being so childish.

    Irish rail and all its stations lose money. Let's close irish rail. Let's close the health service. Let's close the west of Ireland and move everybody to dublin, adding to the overcrowding, high prices and lack of services already there.

    If shannon airport loses money but supports the wider economy attracting foreign companies and lots of tourists adding positively to the bottom line of the region then that's a good thing, as modest loses will be recouped many times downstream.

    Get over it.

    What rubbish comparing Irish Rail. What you should be doing is comparing CIE Group to Shannon Group.

    It does need to be profitable any business wants individual parts to meet costs believing otherwise is madness.


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    Cookiemunster
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    DUB have a cost of 22.5 million for an overlay, now SNN has a longer runway so could be higher.

    Not cheap by any stretch. It will take SNN a long time to recover the costs.

    Just to be clear SNN have said an overlay is required soon.

    10/28 in Dublin had a overlay done in 2011 at a cost of €4.5m. What it needs now is a complete rebuild.


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    #2029
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    What rubbish comparing Irish Rail. What you should be doing is comparing CIE Group to Shannon Group.

    It does need to be profitable any business wants individual parts to meet costs believing otherwise is madness.

    IT IS PROFITABLE!!!!


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    Brennans Row
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    A transatlantic has diverted to Shannon Airport with a seriously ill passenger. (Clare Herald)

    Air Canada flight AC-873 was en route from Frankfurt in Germany to Toronto, Canada, when the crew declared a medical emergency at around 10.40am today.

    There were 347 passengers and crew on board the Boeing 777-300 jet.

    The flight landed at 11.19am and was met by airport emergency services who had been standing by.


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    #2031
    Cosmo Kramer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Airbus330 wrote: »
    IT IS PROFITABLE!!!!

    What, Shannon?! Are you kidding?! Sure, if it's profitable then they should start paying the €300 million back to the government, there's a health service that needs to be funded.


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    #2032
    JCX BXC
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    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    What, Shannon?! Are you kidding?! Sure, if it's profitable then they should start paying the €300 million back to the government, there's a health service that needs to be funded.

    Sorry €300million?
    My god you cannot create a credible argument on figures like that which you pull out of yer arses.

    Remind me when the government gave Shannon a check of whatever sum. It didn't happen like that. The DAA caused the debt therefore were liable to it.


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    #2033
    Davys Fits
    Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Cosmo Kramer wrote: »
    What, Shannon?! Are you kidding?! Sure, if it's profitable then they should start paying the €300 million back to the government, there's a health service that needs to be funded.


    Best thing to do is ignore these kind of comments. SNN doesnt owe anything except whatever loans are on their balance sheet and they are profitable.


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    #2034
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,675 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Best thing to do is ignore these kind of comments. SNN doesnt owe anything except whatever loans are on their balance sheet and they are profitable.

    LOL just like the daa don't own SNN ARI as it's not on their balance sheet :rolleyes:


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    #2035
    Davys Fits
    Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    LOL just like the daa don't own SNN ARI as it's not on their balance sheet :rolleyes:

    Exactly! Glad you find it funny


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    #2036
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Davys Fits wrote: »
    Best thing to do is ignore these kind of comments. SNN doesnt owe anything except whatever loans are on their balance sheet and they are profitable.

    Yeah. Least it provides a bit of entertainment. Just log on see the comments by them plonkers and laugh at the misinformed and silly arguments that they put forward as they attempt but fail miserably to respond logically to any counterstatement.


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    #2037
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,675 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Airbus330 wrote: »
    Yeah. Least it provides a bit of entertainment. Just log on see the comments by them plonkers and laugh at the misinformed and silly arguments that they put forward as they attempt but fail miserably to respond logically to any counterstatement.

    Oooohhh that big black pot calling the kettles black!


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    #2038
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Oooohhh that big black pot calling the kettles black!

    I'm here to discuss Shannon Airport and everything related to it. Your here to troll the thread and disagreed with everything people say, but it's obvious you have absolutely no clue what your talking about, and it's evident in every single one of yours posts :-) But keep it up, it's entertaining.

    Have a great day.

    Now back to the real topic Shannon Airport.


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    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


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    Hamilton Sundstrand (World Aviation Park) have made a planning application (15387) to construct four 4.7m high liquid nitrogen vessels and extend existing carpark.

    It is to facilitate a new production process within the factory.

    It is an essential component for the expansion of the business and the employment of additional staff.

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    Nice to see some more green shoots at Shannon.


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    Brennans Row
    Registered Users Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Airport showcase for Clare craftspeople (Clare Herald)

    glenaran_shannon.jpg

    GlenAran Irish Market, the company behind GlenAran stores in Shannon Airport, Kenmare and Kinsale have given 5 local Clare craftspeople the opportunity to sell their products directly to the public at their Shannon Airport store within the Duty Free area.

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    Maybe be small in scale, but for five local craftspeople another outlet to make a living out of tourism generated by the airport. :)


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    #2041
    Airbus330
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Airbus330


    Brennans Row wrote: »
    Shannon Airport showcase for Clare craftspeople (Clare Herald)

    glenaran_shannon.jpg

    GlenAran Irish Market, the company behind GlenAran stores in Shannon Airport, Kenmare and Kinsale have given 5 local Clare craftspeople the opportunity to sell their products directly to the public at their Shannon Airport store within the Duty Free area.


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    Maybe be small in scale, but for five local craftspeople another outlet to make a living out of tourism generated by the airport. :)

    Interesting. If anyone has flown through the airport recently you'll see that they have put in a big new window at the entrance to the duty free after security which blocks off a direct entrance to that Glenaran shop, instead diverting people straight into the duty free and then into the Glenaran. Wonder will they felel the pinch of that!


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