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    #182
    weisses
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    thiarfearr wrote: »
    Good rehearsal? More like an advertisement to any would be terrorists of any persuasion the mayhem you can cause with little expertise


    Yeah if it was me masterminding such bombings i would make sure more bombs would go off when they thought it was all over


    They (the authorities) got a good rehearsal though ... frighten people so much that the could close down a city while looking for a single individual


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    #183
    zonEEE
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    Besides, what police say on a scanner is never going to be 100% correct. Events are still unfolding, which leads to a lot of confusion, people are panicking, even police officers, I'm sure their interpretation of what's going on around them can be mistaken.

    Also, wasn't the library thing an unrelated fire? I'm open to correction on that.

    It wasn't unrelated until it hit the main stream media. On the scanner there was talk about a controlled explosion. Even in the press conference they said it was related and later back tracked.


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    #184
    weisses
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    double post


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    #185
    Jonny7
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    weisses wrote: »
    They (the authorities) got a good rehearsal though ... frighten people so much that the could close down a city while looking for a single individual

    Suspects blew up 3 people, injured 183 other people

    They then killed a cop, critical injured another, injured 15 more

    Were armed and dangerous, the surviving suspect fled and was on the loose in the city. In fact, there was another firefight before they managed to nab him

    Boston police perform brilliantly, keep everyone safe, catch the guy alive and receive nothing but praise...



    ... it's a "rehearsal".


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    #186
    PhilMcGee
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    I see a life on the waterboard ahead for him.


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    #187
    Jonny7
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    zonEEE wrote: »
    It wasn't unrelated until it hit the main stream media. On the scanner there was talk about a controlled explosion. Even in the press conference they said it was related and later back tracked.

    And there was apparently an explosion at the JFK library.

    Which turned out to be an unrelated fire.

    This is normal for any fluid breaking story.


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    #188
    stuar
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    I still stand by my first assertion that these 2 were patsies, firstly the fbi were in contact with the elder brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev for a number of years, he was an admitted Muslim, never hid the fact, yet wanted American citizenship.

    FBI interviewed dead Boston bombing suspect years ago.
    The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.

    This is an issue they've had in the past. They interviewed Carlos Bledsoe in Little Rock, Ark., before he shot up an Army recruiting station in 2009. They were also looking into Major Hasan Nadal before the Fort Hood shootings.


    However, the FBI has maintained in those incidents that they took all the steps they were asked to and were allowed to under the law.


    Although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers' mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.

    She insisted the FBI "knew what he was doing on Skype" and that they counseled him "every step of the way."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/

    That only shows that the fbi were in contact, yet first denied it, the fbi have a history of recruiting people through bribery or/and threats to carry out their dirty work and make the fbi look like the saviours......
    Florida Center for Investigative Reporting Associate Director Trevor Aaronson was a guest Jan. 11 on CBS This Morning. In a conversation with Charlie Rose, Gayle King and John Miller, Aaronson discussed the findings of his new book, The Terror Factory: Inside the FBI’s Manufactured War on Terrorism, which questions the efficacy of FBI terrorism sting operations. Miller, a CBS News senior correspondent who was formerly assistant director of the FBI, called Aaronson’s book “an amazing piece of reporting.”

    Few Americans, Aaronson says, realize that since 9/11 the FBI has been responsible for hatching and financing more terrorist plots in the United States than any other group.

    Of these defendants caught up in FBI terrorism sting operations, an FBI informant was the person who led one of every three terrorist plots, and the FBI also provided all of the necessary weapons, money, and transportation.

    Other informants are coerced into cooperating with the FBI for fear of deportation or criminal prosecution, records show.

    http://fcir.org/2013/01/14/fcirs-trevor-aaronson-talks-about-the-terror-factory-on-cbs-this-morning/

    Here's another article from the Guardian about fbi fake terror plots.
    Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned

    Critics say bureau is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plots.

    Even more shocking was that the organisation, money, weapons and motivation for this plot did not come from real Islamic terrorists. It came from the FBI, and an informant paid to pose as a terrorist mastermind paying big bucks for help in carrying out an attack. For McWilliams, her own government had actually cajoled and paid her beloved nephew into being a terrorist, created a fake plot and then jailed him for it. "I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone," she told the Guardian.

    "The target, the motive, the ideology and the plot were all led by the FBI," said Karen Greenberg, a law professor at Fordham University in New York, who specialises in studying the new FBI tactics.

    Critics say the FBI is running a sting operation across America, targeting – to a large extent – the Muslim community by luring people into fake terror plots.

    Another "entrapment" case is on the radar too. The Fort Dix Five – accused of plotting to attack a New Jersey army base – have also appealed against their convictions. That case too involved dubious use of paid informants, an apparent over-reach of evidence and a plot that seemed suggested by the government.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

    And there's more, which also includes the fbi supplying a car, explosives and the plot.
    Lawyers Say Teenage Terror Suspect Was Entrapped By FBI

    What makes this trial different is that the car bombing plot - the purchase of the car, the gathering of explosives, the plan itself - was orchestrated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
    http://www.npr.org/2013/01/10/169077527/lawyers-say-teenage-terror-suspect-was-entrapped-by-fbi

    Then there's the fbi supplying real explosives instead of dummy explosives in the 1993 WTC bombing, the bomb supplied by the fbi went off in the underground car park of the WTC and might have actually took it down if the fbi informant had have parked the van closer to the supporting pillar, and it might never have come out had he not secretly taped his conversations with his fbi handlers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXBmmf9F4rw
    Here's Ted Gunderson former head of the Los Angeles fbi stating the fbi were behind the 1993 WTC bombing.
    You can check his credentials in the link below.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr_HplJmT34
    So for the above reasons, the fact that the fbi were "interested" and in contact with the Boston Bomb patsies, have a long history of setting up and carrying out false flag operations, framing people, the fact there were "bomb drills" going on in Boston the day of the bombings, as there were on 7/7 in london in the exact locations and 9/11 there were "live fly" exercises using real planes.

    All this adds to my belief these 2 were patsies, and before anybody asks a question thats already addressed in this post, read it first, I put a bit of effort into it and if somebody wants to question anything please make sure it not already answered in the post.


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    #189
    Doctor Strange
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    I'm going to pull you up on one thing; The FBI do *not* have a substantiated history of false flag attacks. There is no solid evidence from unbiased sources for it.


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    #190
    Jonny7
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    All this adds to my belief these 2 were patsies,

    You call them patsies but that's as far as you go.

    Can you flesh it out a bit, patsies for who? for how long? and for what purpose?


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    #191
    studiorat
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    PhilMcGee wrote: »
    I see a life on the waterboard ahead for him.

    They're hardly going to take the guy surfing. He's a terrorist :rolleyes:


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    #192
    Jonny7
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    Also I'm not aware of any drill on the day except for one guy saying he heard one policeman saying "it's just a drill" just before the explosions.

    Not that a security drill is out of the ordinary for a capital city but anyway.

    Also the FBI interview lots of people, especially Chechens coming through Russian airports into the US.

    It's the way that some sort of massive cover-up secret plot to kill Americans is plausible.. yet fitting a pressure cooker into a backpack appears is less plausible.. leaving a bag over or under railings at a marathon is less plausible.. and so on.

    Collecting them together in some sort of list doesn't lend further credibility to them, it's just a list of weak or downright false assumptions.


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    #193
    zonEEE
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Also I'm not aware of any drill on the day except for one guy saying he heard one policeman saying "it's just a drill" just before the explosions.

    Not that a security drill is out of the ordinary for a capital city but anyway.

    There was it was on the Boston twitter page, also the first in 30 years......


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    #194
    Jonny7
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    zonEEE wrote: »
    There was it was on the Boston twitter page, also the first in 30 years......

    Where are you getting this information from?


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    #195
    briany
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    mada999 wrote: »
    they had some guy on from an auto shop saying that one of them had his car already in his shop and was looking to get it out of the shop asap.

    I think that ties into the hunch that there wasn't much planning. If you were an obsessive Jihadist, well, first of all you'd probably go down with the bomb to make damn sure you took out as many people as you could. If you were planning on living and continuing on with this campaign of violence, you'd be ready to go - you'd have plans for transport and contingency plans on top of that. Carefully constructed terrorist plans don't tend to rest on the state of your jammer, a serious variable. Sounds like a Four Lions subplot.


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    #196
    PhilMcGee
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    briany wrote: »
    I think that ties into the hunch that there wasn't much planning. If you were an obsessive Jihadist, well, first of all you'd probably go down with the bomb to make damn sure you took out as many people as you could. If you were planning on living and continuing on with this campaign of violence, you'd be ready to go - you'd have plans for transport and contingency plans on top of that. Carefully constructed terrorist plans don't tend to rest on the state of your jammer, a serious variable. Sounds like a Four Lions subplot.

    Maybe, like so many criminals, they thought they would never get caught.


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    #197
    Standman
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    stuar wrote: »
    Ohh here we go AGAIN, let's get this clear for you, there were 2 bombs, 1 exploded behind people, the other exploded in front of the barrier.....

    Take a look at the photographic proof, now are you saying this bomb went off behind the people.....

    Before the blast.....AGAIN!




    After the blast....AGAIN..

    bostonbombingafter101.jpg
    Notice the barriers blown back towrds the pavement, not out on the street which would be the case had it gone off behind the barrier.

    Something I noticed about that picture is that someone seems to have blurred out a key piece of information that sheds serious doubt on the idea that this particular bag was the bomb bag.

    secondbostonbomb1836530.jpg

    Now as you can clearly see in the bottom picture, the railing is bent around the post box from the back to the front which suggests the force came from behind the railing. In fact it seems to me that it is impossible for that railing to be bent the way it is if the bomb was in that bag.

    The next question is why would someone unnecessarily blur out that part of the picture? Because leaving it in would make their wild speculation look even more ridiculous perhaps?


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    #198
    briany
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    PhilMcGee wrote: »
    Maybe, like so many criminals, they thought they would never get caught.

    Maybe but when you're witnessing the reaction, the talk of scouring CCTV, the anger of the American public and the ensuing outcry then you'd have to be all kinds of arrogant to think you'd just get away with it and you could just continue about your lives right in the midst of what you'd done. Maybe they took pleasure in that, maybe their contempt for America extended to a fairly unfounded dismissal of U.S. police's abilities. Maybe they thought that Allah had endowed them with a powers of stealth and invisibility, who knows? The point I'm making is that before any media tries to paint them as a some sophisticated terror cell for the purposes of fear mongering and good copy, consider first that they were two insane individuals acting out a bewildering ambition with amateurish abandon.


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    #199
    Anynama141
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    I love the notion of the bomb-proof post box. A bomb right beside it and it doesn't move an inch.


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    #200
    Eoin
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    Anynama141 wrote: »
    I love the notion of the bomb-proof post box. A bomb right beside it and it doesn't move an inch.

    Total guess, but as it's so close, perhaps it directed the blast away. Maybe it'd have been damaged more if it was further away if you know what I mean. Like I said, total guess so I could be well off the mark.


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    #201
    Anynama141
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    Eoin wrote: »
    Total guess, but as it's so close, perhaps it directed the blast away. Maybe it'd have been damaged more if it was further away if you know what I mean. Like I said, total guess so I could be well off the mark.
    Every action has an equal but opposite reaction - I'm not sure how it would 'deflect' the explosion but not be moved by it. One way or another, an good picture of the bin will show pretty conclusively whether the bomb was right beside it.


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    #202
    Daithi 1
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    Guy was arested naked and handcuffed ??


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Te9mMuhag




    Then ends up like this. Graphic image warning..

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3v6vsyhweZg/UXHLoKUIZZI/AAAAAAAANKw/jENN9DgS3Ts/s1600/BomberDeathPhoto.jpg :confused::confused:


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    #203
    Anynama141
    Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Anynama141


    It's a different guy, Daithi.


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    #204
    Daithi 1
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    was thinking that, just makin sure.


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    #205
    seannash
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    Can I ask the people who believe that these fellas were setup why the two guys didnt go peacefully or even call the cops and state that they didnt do it,come and question us?

    surely if you are wrongly accused of this you would walk into a police station and turn yourself in because you wouldn't be aware your being setup
    You could show them the backpack you had that day.


    Instead they managed to get explosives and grenades and guns(I guess they had them lying around) and decided to run.


    So the government had to make sure that these two guys were at the marathon that day(I know I never attended any of the New york marathons or parades in all my time in New york(Well the halloween ones I did).

    Had to make sure they carried backpacks even though they werent running.
    Make sure that the were in the right areas where the bombs were.

    Hope that no police who weren't aware of the false flag plan didn't find the bomb before it went off.

    Hope that no witness/camera captures the government agent planting the bomb.

    Hope that the suspect calmly walks away from the scene and doesn't hang about or help victims.

    That's just a small snippet of stuff that they would have outside there control


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    #206
    Ash.J.Williams
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    seannash wrote: »
    Can I ask the people who believe that these fellas were setup why the two guys didnt go peacefully or even call the cops and state that they didnt do it,come and question us?

    surely if you are wrongly accused of this you would walk into a police station and turn yourself in because you wouldn't be aware your being setup
    You could show them the backpack you had that day.


    Instead they managed to get explosives and grenades and guns(I guess they had them lying around) and decided to run.


    So the government had to make sure that these two guys were at the marathon that day(I know I never attended any of the New york marathons or parades in all my time in New york(Well the halloween ones I did).

    Had to make sure they carried backpacks even though they werent running.
    Make sure that the were in the right areas where the bombs were.

    Hope that no police who weren't aware of the false flag plan didn't find the bomb before it went off.

    Hope that no witness/camera captures the government agent planting the bomb.

    Hope that the suspect calmly walks away from the scene and doesn't hang about or help victims.

    That's just a small snippet of stuff that they would have outside there control
    Few things seem odd, the older brother was far from innocent. The Russians reported him as suspicious and the FBI checked him out and gave him the all clear, yet his mother claims the fbi were tailing him for years. Has there been a bomb factory found yet? They were effective bombs, probably perfected when he went on his 6 month trip. They must have had a test site. I'm also wondering how alone they were.
    Then again we had a few bright college graduates picked up in London before they firebombed Herods back in the 90's, if they had succeeded they could have killed many people, were they any different?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/349554.stm


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    #207
    BorneTobyWilde
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    They never thought they would be caught, they went back to campus life in days after bombing, went about their daily tasks without a care in the world, it was only when their photo was released that they kicked off ? Shot guy at campus? tried to get cash by robbing store?

    They really believed they had nothing to worry about, how ****ing stupid were they, place was full of cameras when they placed bombs


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    Ghost Train
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    They never thought they would be caught, they went back to campus life in days after bombing, went about their daily tasks without a care in the world, it was only when their photo was released that they kicked off ? Shot guy at campus? tried to get cash by robbing store?

    They really believed they had nothing to worry about, how ****ing stupid were they, place was full of cameras when they placed bombs

    Maybe they didn't think the bag would survive and be recognisable after the blast or think about it being used to to pick them out, place was full of people to hid among

    I do find it hard to understand the contract security at the marathon, when you see the amount of manpower they had for the search why the need to hire a few outside people for the marathon, was there a specific threat they were brought in for or some other rason


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    #209
    wonderfullife
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    Ghost Train wrote: »
    Maybe they didn't think the bag would survive and be recognisable after the blast or think about it being used to to pick them out, place was full of people to hid among

    I do find it hard to understand the contract security at the marathon, when you see the amount of manpower they had for the search why the need to hire a few outside people for the marathon, was there a specific threat they were brought in for or some other rason

    This is the interesting bit. I presume from their test runs of the devices they could see how it affected the bag. Or perhaps they made the mistake of testing the Pressure Cooker device outside of the bag. I.e. just focus on making it work. It would be an easy assumption to make that the bag would be blown to bits, was actually very surprised by how in tact it remained.

    There were reports of explosions in non-built up areas in Boston last month. People hearing loud bangs. But, like McVeigh in the desert, people tend to ignore loud bangs if they have no reason to notice them.

    All things being equal, i imagine their initial mistake was testing the devices outside of a bag. Second mistake was having no alibi at the bomb blast. They could, with better planning, have had a 3rd accomplice run the marathon to give themselves a reason to be at the finish line. (obviously there is nothing to prevent people watching it as a sporting event, but a friend running the marathon would sure help explain their presence).

    This could have been a potentially interesting conspiracy theory if it were not for the sequence of events that led to their downfall. In isolation, pictures at the bomb site proved little. But the murder of the cop, the chase, the shootout and the younger guy on the run, are not the actions of innocent men.


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    #210
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Other anomaly is the guy was shot on the throat and can't talk..If he dies I declare shenanigans


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    #211
    Jonny7
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    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Other anomaly is the guy was shot on the throat and can't talk..If he dies I declare shenanigans

    He was injured in the leg and neck, lost a ****load of blood. If they were trying to "silence" him they would have just killed him. Just like us, they want to know exactly what his motives were and every detail of this.


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