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Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    marcsignal wrote: »
    There were gas chambers in Auschwitz, called bunker 1 and bunker 2, (also called 'The little red house' and 'The little white house'). .

    Thank you very much for this post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    As it seems the presented buildings expressed as ''Gas Chambers'' by Stalin can not be used for such, an alternative suggestion has been made. Namely that those 4 million victims killed by the Jewish Sonderkommando at Auschwitz were killed at the Olympic Swimming Pool behind Block 6. You have to go up the road from the Main Gate and the huge kitchen, the largest building inside the Camp, and the brothel at the left, to see it.

    Today it no longer has the trampolines from which it is said the Jewish Sonderkommando pushed down their victims into the deep water and super huge Olympic Swimming Pool. It could be the diving boards were taken away to hide that the killings were done here.

    Looking at the matter, could it not be possible that it was here it all happened and this may be reason for all the confusion?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,138 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    gbee wrote: »
    Sorry for being silly, but I don't get the thread.

    Was there a gas chamber there and it was destroyed by the Russians and then ordered to be rebuilt?

    Or are we saying that there never was any gassing?

    Yes there was a large gas chamber in Auschwitz II (Birkenau) - it is where the people were marched following selection at the side of the rail tracks. It is about 1km walk from the selection area, up by the main memorial. The ruins of this can be seen clearly (and visited) and a model of what it would have looked like (mostly underground) is on view in the general exhibition area.

    There is also a small building in Auschwitz I which it is explained (to those who go on the tour, or who read the signs in three languages outside it) was not used as a gas chamber in the war, but was used as a storage area. The guides (and signs) clearly explain that this was not the 'regular' gas chamber.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Namely that those 4 million victims killed by the Jewish Sonderkommando at Auschwitz ..........

    the only half relevant piece of your information is 21 years old (older than you probably)

    The rest of your post is not funny, and doesn't merit a serious reply..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    As students we were forced to go through the Stalin gas chamber at Auschwitz. The more we saw of it the more we got suspicious. But it is evident 4 million victims died there by the hands of the Genocide Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando. Jewish Filip Muller was one of them. He wrote a whole book about his killing activities and may be the largest Serial Killer the world has ever produced.

    Seeing this building couldn't even cremate a little mouse and seeing Director Kazimierz Smolen of the Auschwitz Museum lived there for 5 years and survived in full health and saw nothing of such gassings, and for other reasons, many students have adopted the version that the Jewish Sonderkommando murdered all their 4 million victims at the Olympic Swimming Pool at Auschwitz.

    The trampolines, or diving boards can no longer be seen at the Olympic Swimming pool, and Stalin may just have taken them away in order to hide the place as it was too close to the Maternity Ward at Block 10 where some 3 thousand kids were born.

    We are going back to Auschwitz soon and the matter will be discussed over with the Auschwitz Museum For War authorities in order to clear this up.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Hang on a mo, Are you Blaming the Genocides on the SonderKommando ( Unarmed Jewish Prisoners ) and not teh SS ( Armed Nazi Supremacists )

    NOw I've no doubt that the SonderKommandos killed a fair few people, but I dont think they were the ones behind the Main drive to Exterminate the undesirables.

    Also People tend to forget that it wasnt Just the Jews who were Killed it was all Untermenschen ( Undesirables ) as designated by the state, this included Homosexuals, Gypsies, The mentally retarded, Communists or anyone who didnt fit the NDSAP Ideal of Aryan.

    These people get overlooked or Co-opted into the Jewish Myth.


    As for the Swimming pool, Like I said about the DeathVans and Diesel fumes, The Nazis were willing to try anything once just to see what the results would be, I cant see mass drownings as beeing one of the ones that could have taken off, now if the sides and bottom of the pool are riddled with Bulletholes then I'd give it more credence as to somewhere that Regular acts of Genocidetook place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    1. One only needs to read Jewish Sonderkommando, Filip Muller's book to see that it was the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando who were the REAL actors and the smoking gun. The Jewish Sonderkommando did of course have the help of the Jewish Kapos, but they were the actors. The matter of killing was so secret that extremely few SS men knew about it. But the Sonderkommando knew. ALL OF THEM!

    2. As for weapons, all sorts were used, whips, pokes, shovels, etc., including dogs. The 4 million killed at Auschwitz were secretly taken to the Olympic Swimming Pool by the Jewish Serial Killing Sonderkommando and then pushed into the huge Swimming Pool from the trampolines which were later taken away by Stalin to hide these criminal acts. Of course, as you say, the Jewish Sonderkommando didn't just kill Jews, but also others which you mention. And don't forget such as the Jehovah's Witnesses who are often forgotten. They were Pacifists and the Jewish Sonderkommando hated them.

    3. No one should be surprised over the murderings by the Jewish Sonderkommando. The Holy Bible is filled with examples of Jews killing Jews. Killing their own people. A tiny example: The wars between the Jerusalem Judaeans and the North. The Bible tells of gruesome stories. Even of cutting people to pieces and mailing off body parts to various tribes. At one instance 32,000 virgins were Gang Raped by the Jews, most were babies. It's all in the Bible, and this one is the largest Gang Rape recorded in history. 32,000 babies! Think of it!

    4. But if you don't want to go to the Holy Bible, there is such as the Jewish historian Josephus. Page after page he tells of Jews killing Jews. So why should this be so surprising? It was the ordinary stuff going on. And still is. The only difference between the Goyim and Gentiles, is, that in this case, the Bible Jews can say: God made us do it!

    5. If all the killings were left out of our Holy Bible all you will be left with is the cover and book bugs.

    6. In Russia the Establishment Jews massacred thousands of Karaite Jews. These killings went constantly on. The Karaites had a different opinion on what was holy of the Bible. They were also critical of the Talmud. For this Jews had them to die.

    7. In older history there were the Zealots and Sicarii, all Jews and all killing each other. You can read of them in our Holy Bible, in Josephus, and elsewhere.

    8. Jesus Christ himself was killed by the Jews. He was a Jew. The Jews forced Pilate to kill him. It's all in there in the Holy Bible. There is not one word of condemnation by Jesus, or anyone else in the Bible for Jews killing Jews. When Jesus arrives he will kill millions, including Jews. So be ready at his arrival. Hallelujah here he comes, and he is coming soon! The preacher told me so.

    9. One can even read of some kind of ''gassing'' by Jehovah of his own Chosen Race because they don't comply to his will and act ''wickedly'' and ''murderously.'' I wouldn't be surprised if this phalange of cut-throat Jews: the Jewish Serial Killing Sonderkommando, used this Bible text as excuse for their mass slaughter. They simply felt they acted as God's executioners on earth. His Avenging Angel who were to appease the Wrath of Jehovah God. This would neatly explain the Shoah Cult and how it has become: There is no business like the Shoah business!

    10. So why should that be such a strange thing that it was the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando who stood behind the murders? For their murdering they could use the Auschwitz Brothel, its huge Kitchen, its Cinema, its Library, its Theatre, its Synagogue, its Church, its Art Schools, its Post Office, its Sport Schools, its Photography School, Horse Riding School, Fencing School, Boxing School, Singing Lesson School, Wrestling School, its Canteens, etc. Directors Kazimierz Smolen and Tadeusz Szymanski; the father of Danuta Czech; Olga Lengyel; Hermann Langbein; the father of Anne Frank, Otto Frank; Szlama Dragon, Jack Eisner, Henry Friedlander, Israel Guttman, Stanislaw Jankowski, Salmen Lewenthal, Bernard Mark, Petro Mirchuk, Miklos Nyiszli; Henryk Mandelbaum; Maximilian Kolbe; and so many others attended such entertainment shows and applauded.

    11. Because many do not know, Auschwitz is a town located in Poland. Auschwitz is thus just not a Camp. It is an old living city. For a long time it was one of the best places to study bird life. The most beautiful owls frequented there. The croaking music of the frogs at Birkenau nearby, is a music to hear on its own. The best place to live in Auschwitz, was right in the Camp. Tadeusz Szymanski, Kazimierz Smolen, and others lived there, just a bit from the faked ''gas chamber'' and Commandant Hoess' former house.

    12. It is important here to take note of another manipulation by Stalin. When the Soviets entered the Camp they saw the Olympic Swimming Pool. Stalin then removed the trampolines, or diving boards. But there is a lot more to it than that for Stalin had the whole huge Kitchen at Auschwitz, the largest building INSIDE the camp painted over from white to black in order to obscure it. Something similar to the paint brush operations of pig Napoleon in George Orwell's ANIMAL FARM. First it was important never to mention about it. If someone insisted to question about it, he was told the Germans used the building for putting garbage into. Guides who mentioned it and who were found out, were likely to land in a Soviet Gulag. People who got to curious, likewise landed there. The same thing happened to the huge Theatre joined to the camp and where the struggles went on with the Roman Catholic nuns. Nor could you talk openly about the Post office, Cinema, huge Library - yes, anything! Everything was no, no, no. Hush, hush, hush. It was vital for Stalin to do s to cover up his own murder.

    13. The Jewish Sonderkommando got free condoms, liquor, cigarettes, shoes, women's underwear, etc. It's all in there in Filip Muller and others. They even got their free dances. Some of the dancing went on at the huge Theatre. Also at the huge Sauna building near at Birkenau. Inside Auschwitz Camp, the Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando listened to the Jewish Orchestra playing, all along while they were pushing off victims from the trampolines to their death at the Olympic Swimming Pool.

    14. There are a lot of stories circulating how Jews tried to sneak into the Auschwitz Brothel, located just by the huge Kitchen and the Main Gate. But as for the Jews who volunteered to work for the Jewish Serial Killing Sonderkommando, they got in there as easy as a dance on roses. They had the first choice and first try. Whenever there was a new prostitute coming, everyone knew it and the talk went wild of whom would take her first. And made bets whom would be the first. That might also explain why so many wanted to join the Jewish Sonderkommando. The school kids visiting Auschwitz always have a lot of fun talk about this when they are near the Brothel.

    15. It is at the Main Gate that the sign, ARBEIT MACHT FREI, was recently stolen. How such a large sign could be stolen is interesting in itself. You just can't put it inside your pocket, bag, or car. If not cut up, how are you going to transport it except you have a horse wagon or a truck?

    16. Just by the Main Gate, as you enter; on your right you will see the largest building INSIDE the camp. The huge Auschwitz Kitchen where hundreds of Jews volunteered for work. This is the building which Stalin painted over from white to black. Because UNESCO, in giving money, demanded ''authenticity,'' the Auschwitz Museum For War authorities had the building put back to white. This may be the only Kitchen in the world which has evolved through paint jobs for political, dogmatic, and propagandistic reasons. I know of none else. For the same reasons of obscuring, Stalin removed the trampolines at the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool. Where he put them and what has happened to these Auschwitz Olympic trampolines is still a secret.

    17. On the left side, you will see the famous, and so much beloved Whorehouse by the Jewish Sonderkommando: the Auschwitz Brothel, where volunteer Jewish prostitutes and others worked. Once Stalin took over the place, Stalin moved the Brothel to the hotel at the entrance, which is today near the parking lot. It was used by a variety of people in need of those services. If you was a visitor, a good place to go to organize services of a prostitute, was, the shop where flowers were sold. Auschwitz has always been a great sex place, and still is. Some want to make the whole Auschwitz, including Birkenau, over into Poland's best and most thriving Nudist Camp. Many of the kids are in favor of such a move.

    18. The so called ''Liberation of Auschwitz'' is a real joke, for Auschwitz was NEVER liberated. When kids hear it they always get a hefty good laugh. Why? Because when Stalin entered the Camp he took out the ''Communist Criminals,'' thieves, muggers, murderers, embezzlers, money speculators, extortioners, blackmailers, burglars, robbers, arsonists still under legal investigation, vivisectors (those doing cruelties to animals), rapists, and a few honest people, and put inside there instead his ''Capitalist Criminals.'' Thus one in, the other out. So the Camp continued on to be a Concentration Camp, only that now ''Capitalist Criminals'' were put in. But Stalin made a mess of that one too, because in his eager to ''liberate and salvage'' the Communists, out also came Trotskyites, Mensheviks, and others. He now had the trouble to put them back in again as he considered them dangerous and his arch enemies. How many he killed is still open discussion. No less embarrassing was, he now had to use the German records to find out why the persons were in there as crime got rampant. These criminals he then put back in again.

    19. Many innocent Poles were carted off on horse wagons to Concentration Camps inside Soviet Union. Whole families in fact, and of course with many dying there. This was never mentioned, and anyone who openly went about to do, landed himself in the same place.

    20. The ones who invented the ''Auschwitz Liberation,'' by continued use of covert enforcement, were the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando, the Zionist Jews, former collaborators of the Nazis, and of course Stalin himself. Auschwitz was never LIBERATED. Poland became nothing but a huge Stalin-Soviet Concentration Camp where Culture, except for worshipping Stalin went dead while Stalin put in power all over Poland Jews who took position in the police, courts, media, hospitals, cinemas, etc. Stalin feared the Roman Catholic Church and the Jews helped him out to silence their voice. All was just a shift from a Nazi to a Communist one.

    21. Nor is Auschwitz liberated today. Today it is totally in the hands of Israel and of the Wall Street and Madison Avenue bankers, the money speculators, those whom Obama bailed out in his famous Bankers' Bailout. Goebbels War Commandant, Piotr Cywinski, knows this, but as he says, without money it can't be run and he and his compatriot Martyrologist Cult workers, those of the Commercial Holocaust Cult adepts would be out of a job. As the kids say: No licking of boots, no job! It is as simple as that. Money talks and makes the lies turn round. Poland has become one vast second Jerusalem. Very similar as Toledo became after Christianity entered Spain.

    22. The Jews in the Camp also created their own Waltz there called the AUSCHWITZ WALTZ, which was constantly played to drown out any sounds and quieten their 4 million victims down so everything would run smooth and tidy for their mass killing work conducted at a ruthless speed by the Jewish Sonderkommando.

    23. The Jewish killing Sonderkommando consisted all of circumcised Jews. If you waren't circumcised you were not allowed into the team. Circumcision was the most important sign to belong to that privileged group which stood behind the murders of the 4 millions at Auschwitz. It was Jewish Masonry and Kabbalism taking over the whole of the Auschwitz Camp.

    24. No Ludendorfian, Jehovah's Witness, Mennonite, Quaker, Orthodox, Evangelical, Roman Catholic, Homosexual (unless of course a circumcised Jew), Gypsy, etc., belonged to that team. Only circumcised Jews. All sought to belong to that team just as eager as all sought to belong to the Bernard Madoff team to hove in the huge money. Bernard Madoff who is a Jew, is today in jail. He ripped of endless of Gentiles, Goyims, but also endless of Jews. The prestigious Jewish high tale writer, Elie Wiesel; yet another receiver of the Nobel Peace Prize like Obama; also got ripped off by Jew Madoff. Again proving Jews do nasty things to their own, just not to their Goyim, the cattle ready for slavery and slaughter.

    25. The Pentecostals, Christadelphians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scofieldites, Dispensationalists, Left Behinders, and others, have a teaching that Armageddon is coming in a great war. Millions will die, including Jews. Before that happening people are tossed on the ground, some shaking, and/or, crawling like snakes. Some ''talk in tongues'' similar to the old Ranters. ''Stricken by the Lord,'' also, ''Slaughtered By God,'' as they call it. Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn, R W Schambach, Jack van Impe, Jimmy Lee Swaggart, Franklin Graham, Rod Parsley, Pat Robertson, Pablo Vasques, and others, belong to this Holy Roller happy crowd; raking in the money from those Faithful crawling on the ground, or wishing to crawl there. They should have taken up trampoline jumping instead and move ahead instead of getting dust in their nose, ears, eyes, and mouths. Some handle snakes, not those elastic ones found inside the Auschwitz Brothel, but real, poisonous snakes. Some die from the bites. Faith was lacking they are told. Would it not have been better for those men to have gone to a prostitute and let them handle their snake, then play around with death and funeral parlors?

    26. It isn't much different than the New World Order Doctrines of the two Bush and their Utopia. But here the Utopia bliss gets expanded. This sacred Doctrine combine Utopia and Damnation into one. Some argue that the Holy Bible prophecies that the Jews will get their land from River Euphrates to Nile, and so Jesus will have to wait in his coming. Jehovah God, in the Bible, promises the whole land as a gift provided they kill off all settlers. When extirpation is fulfilled, at that time things have expanded to that Jehovah God will kill endless of Jews. His very own Chosen People! If God can do so why can't man? And don't forget the Noah Flood. Endless of Jews were killed by Jehovah. Even animals. The Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando fit perfectly into this picture of barbarism.

    27. As to bullet holes inside the Auschwitz Swimming pool, I can't answer that for the moment. The victims were pushed off the trampolines which Stalin later removed. I am not an expert in guns. Most of us kids have never used one, but I understand that bullets of certain calibers have difficulties in the water. Perhaps you, or someone else can help us out here. If you live in USA, the Americans are great in gun collection and using guns; killing off at schools now and then. They should be a lot better experts here. Their experience in killing in Hawaii, Cuba, Philippines, South Pacifics, Bikini, Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., should also help out in clearing this question. They are also the only ones ever dropping Atom bombs---and that on civilians!

    28. Also, if guns were used at the Olympic Swimming Pool the shots would be heard. It was a lot easier to just push them off the diving boards and into the huge Olympic Swimming Pool below.

    29. We will be heading for the Auschwitz Is War Museum in Poland and talk these things over with Goebbels War Commandant, Piotr Cywinski, and others. Piotr Cywinski was recently at Yad Vashem in Israel and while there may have discussed the Olympic Swiming Pool, the trampolines, the Jewish Sonderkommando, and related matters over with that important enlightenment assistant team.

    30. For the moment our students main question is: What would happen to the bullets as they struck the water of the Olympic Swimming Pool? Surely there must be ballistic tests made on this by our many war industries.

    NOTA BENE: In order to facilitate this Post I have numbered each paragraph. This makes it also easier for those wanting more information on each section, or those wanting to criticize the facts delivered. Also, those wanting us to ask special questions to the Auschwitz authorities are now helped by the itemizing of each paragraph. We obtained much help in our research by such people as Raul Hilberg, who may have been the greatest Martyrologist, Exterminationist, or Commercial Holocaust Cult adept.

    Our cheerful, youthful team of investigators, working hard to become even better experts on Auschwitz Martyrologism, Exterminationism, also called the Commercial Holocaust Cult, stand fit and ready to tackle any questions from our vast world-wide community; thirsting for forceful relevant facts on this profound money involved Cult, while bringing attention to the immense crimes of slaughter the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando has brought mankind. Not only to Jews, but also the universal citizen of our globe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭francois


    "The matter of killing was so secret that extremely few SS men knew about it. But the Sonderkommando knew"

    Complete and utter bull****


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I think this is an attempted thread de-railment in progress !


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    well to be Devils advocate for a sec, All the Sonderkomando were fully aware of what the third reich was about, it can be argued that Some of the SS may not have been Fully aware of the Extent of the Genocide, but Seriously like :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    well to be Devils advocate for a sec, All the Sonderkomando were fully aware of what the third reich was about, it can be argued that Some of the SS may not have been Fully aware of the Extent of the Genocide, but Seriously like :rolleyes:

    I was referring to the 'death by swimming pool' parts to be honest. The fact that there even was an olympic sized pool there is surprising enough and noteworthy considering most people's impression of the place, also that there was a camp theatre and musical groups etc this is also neglected in most film/literature based around them.

    The pool being used as a device for execution however is a new one on me and doesn't seem remotely plausible. If that's based on survivor testimony I'd put that at the outlandish & fantasy nightmare end of the scale of which there are other examples.

    At different points the SS were composed of different elements (including Reichsarbeitsdienst or essentially non military labour force), generally the KZ guards were not frontline combat experienced.

    So what exactly any given SS TK or KZ guard would know about anything they had no personal direct involvement in is debatable. Some may well have been transferred back from the front for one reason or another or transferred from a series of units and finally ended up there by short straw - likewise some may well have been straight there from the labour force.

    It's always interesting looking at wehrpass/soldbuch of wehrmacht how some men literally hit every continent and theatre of war and seemingly every concievable unit. Career progression did not always follow a distinct logical path - men often went from unrelated unit to unrelated unit based on fluke of geography and as the need arose or to fill gaps elsewhere on a fairly frequent basis.

    I'd imagine a person being transferred from say, being a guard at one camp to being a guard at another would know what they had seen at the previous place and whispers about what the new place might be like.

    If they were transferred in from elsewhere they would know next to nothing. Likewise if you went from being a KZ guard to being in a pioneer company or werksattzug or luftschutzpolizei you'd know pretty much nothing.

    The thoughts of a single guard having the full visibility to anything beyond the scope of what they personally saw seems unlikely to me.

    So if an inmate was based in one place for the entirety of their stay and assuming their life depended on their observation of their environment then they would have a more intimate knowledge of their area and procedures than a newly transferred guard.

    Or of a guard whose responsibility extended to an area beyond that of any given single inmate. imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Morlar wrote: »
    I think this is an attempted thread de-railment in progress !

    yeah possibly, there is sure something very odd about George Orwells posts....

    Tramploines ???? :confused::confused: ....that's a first for me too, I actually took offence to his first post because I thought he was just taking the piss to be honest.

    maybe something has been lost in translation ?

    some info on Filip Müller


    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    WERE THE TRAMPOLINES AT THE OLYMPIC AUSCHWITZ SWIMMING POOL THE SMOKING GUNS?

    The prestigious Establishment Historian of our great truth-informers, BBC and FOX News, Laurence Rees, testifies to the clarity of the trampoline smoking guns.


    Has the Exterminationist Rooster come to his Frying Pan?

    In translating various languages, errors are bound to come up and I regret such. Usually I try to attend to these along with spelling errors as soon as possible but there are time limits for such corrections on most Boards. Also, before being able to post pictures in support of the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool being used, via its trampolines, as a killing center for the 4 million murdered at Auschwitz by Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando; one has to post several Posts.

    I have therefore in the meantime moved the Info over to :
    joy-thought.blogspot.com which handles a variety of controversial subjects.

    The full corrected article with supporting picture can be seen there. Those still in doubt, or unconvinced, can either challenge it there or on this board. As always, I shall attend with an answer in a shortest moment.

    The recent assault on this presentation with the claim that the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool was indeed a Swimming Pool and nothing else but that, I like to refer to Laurence Rees and his book, AUSCHWITZ, A NEW HISTORY, 2005. He supports our view and says that the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool was a water reservoir for firemen.

    Survivor Witness accounts claim that such firemen operated there in the progress of the mass killings and it is evident some had disguised themselves as such in helping to ease the killing activities at the trampolines.

    Killing 4 million people on trampolines is not an easy task, and one would only expect that the perpetrators of these massacres, the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando, dressed up in life-saving uniforms to ease their victims to cooperation and tranquility before hurling them down into their certain doom.

    Laurence Rees thus supports our claim that the trampolines at the Olympic Auschwitz Swimming Pool were used as killing tools, and it is well to take note of that he is an Establishment figure for BBC who carries full respect from our prestigious politicians who all try their best to present an honest, truthful picture of Auschwitz as it really happened. It was thanks to such dedication for truth that it finally came out about the hoax of Iraq's Mass Destructive Weapons.

    Thank you Laurence Rees in helping us out at a crucial moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I'd be interested to see which country mr orwell's IP address range originates from. This is nothing but a bs attempt to de-rail a semi interesting thread in progress here by adding this trampoline nonsense into the mix to undermine and de-legitimise any other information contained on this thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    its the most bizzare auschwitz claim yet, I'll give him that

    though he didn't get much of a response in the U.S. ;)

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/education-and-history/112491-was-it-from-the-trampolines-of-auschwitz-olympic-swimming-pool-the-4-million-died.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Bigdeadlydave


    What the fudge?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,967 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Are there any mods on this forum?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭Dr Strange


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Are there any mods on this forum?

    Did anyone report the post/posts? If not, the mods of WWII may not be aware of it. If there is an issue with posts the best way to bring it to the moderators' attention is to use the report button (warning triangle with exclamation mark inside) below the posters details on the left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    marcsignal wrote: »
    If the claim being put forward was that 'No gassings took place during the Holocaust' or indeed that 'The Holocaust did not happen' then yes, that would constitute a conspiracy theory. However what is being examined here is whether the building in Auschwitz 1, shown to tourists every day, was in fact ever used as a gas chamber, thats all.

    Thanks for the clarification and picture evidence, it does seem like a very inefficient and illogical layout. Presumably the russians didn't care too much about accuracy when they were rebuilding it.

    You made an interesting point about how the doors should open outwards, which is logical of course. I did check some pictures of Mauthausen where the doors did indeed open outwards http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Mauthausen/Gas%20Chamber/GasChamberEntrance.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    As the Holocaust Deniers are regrouping their chairs on deck on their sinking ship, calling for police and gag actions according to the procedure of Moses and Stalin which ended up with killing all those in opposition, for even voicing a slight different opinion, the clarion call is visible to all.

    Old cherished indoctrinated Dogmas don't hold water. As Abraham Lincoln stated: One can fool all the world some of the time, but you can't fool all of them all of the time.

    It is indeed interesting that in our so called enlightened age, people call for censorship, while the same people travel the world over attacking others for denying free speech. History is repeated over and over again. Let's not forget, and let us not forgive those who in the past have carried on their reprisals, be that against Spinoza, who was kicked out of the Synagogue, and then killed, or the endless of Witch Trials, with women and men burned at the stake, all in the name of ''civilization,'' and Love for God.

    Through censorship, Exterminationists, those who today take the lead in persecuting and committing violence against detractors, they seek to silence those of a different opinion. But their voices are gorging from hidden crevices where they hope no one can see them or reach them. From there they spew out their Infallible Ex Cathedra and hate, well protected under the arms of corrupt politicians and law makers who are all in there to line their own pockets and feather their own nests.

    Here now are more voices. Milton said, let all sides be heard. It is in this spirit they are made. Those who don't like it---aren't forced to read them. Let them continue reading that which they been spoon fed to read. Let others progress and grow in wisdom for nothing comes the easy way once value has been placed on it.




    COMMENTS, WITNESSES AND TESTIMONIES OF ATROCITIES IN CONNECTION WITH THE OLYMPIC SWIMMING POOL AT AUSCHWITZ AND ATTESTATION OF THE TRAMPOLINES BEING THE SMOKING GUNS

    FREDERIC......Possible Laurence Rees got his hard-hitting facts about the Jewish Sonderkommando and the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool from a Jewish woman Survivor who testified in Ohio Cleveland about the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool. She certainly wasn't the first one, but a very important one as it went out all over Cleveland on the radio. She testified that Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool was used by the Jewish Sonderkommando and that there was some evil white stuff there.

    JUDITH......Holocaust Deniers are showing up their ugly faces again by denying Laurence Rees expert findings. It just goes to show for us Jews never to forget and that we got to work day and night to show the world what really happened.

    MARX......When I first heard about the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando I got so sick my Jewish mother had to call for the doctor and mohel to cure me. I then started to read the Bible from beginning to end. I was in constant battle with the teachers at the Synagogue and when they supported all the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in the Bible I left the Synagogue, never to come back. The Bible clearly shows what the Jewish Sonderkommando could be up to. The guilty aren't the Jewish Sonderkommando but the Bible they are indoctrinated with.

    BOAZ......The Holocaust Deniers are at it again scoffing at clear facts. How can they deny it when the Olympic Swimming Pool is right before their noses? It's time for us Jews to start working harder to tell the world what happened.

    DONNA......As our girl class went through the so called ''gas chamber'' at the Auschwitz Museum For War, one of the girls noticed the glass door inside it. We then started to debate about it until one girl said she knew why there was a glass door there: ''It's so the Jewish Sonderkommando could take a peak at all those naked girls before gassing them!'' We all roared and laughed our heads off because all of us felt it was so funny. We laughed so loud and hard it must have been heard all over the camp because one female guide/guard rushed in, wondering what was going on. We then told her and showed her the glass door and about the Jewish Sonderkommando peaking at all the nude girls inside. She started to laugh her head off too. We continued roaring with laughter inside the fake gas chamber, when in came a man the guide told us was Tadeusz Szymanski, the Director of the Museum. When the Polish guide told him why we laughed he started to laugh too. The guide told us after, that the Director was quite a girl watcher himself and used to tickle girls of the Aktion Suhnezeichen who came there at sensitive places and that most of the Aktion Suhnezichen girls in fact enjoyed it and felt it a privilege. That's before the hopla of the Pope and his Pedophilia members became known. Now, years after, all of us call the faked Auschwitz gas chamber as the ''sensitive spot''. We all wonder how many orgies have gone on inside there. It's the perfect place for good sex.

    JOHN......Laurence Rees's claim of the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool makes total sense to me because it explains why none of the SS knew about it. The SS who had given all the administration over to the Jews in the Camp, truly believed it was a Swimming Pool, not knowing what really was going on. But for such a long time? Really it wasn't long at all. Jew Bernard Madoff got Gentiles and Jews ripped off already in the l970's. They were the smartest and brightest people around. Yet no one knew what he was up to. And all got fooled. Think of it----all those years, yet no one knew. So why should the German SS know what the Jewish Sonderkommando were up to?

    BERNDT......Don't forget Laurence Rees interviewed tens of thousands of Jewish Survivors, including SS men. Not one of them denied that the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool was used for such sinister purposes. Those who attack Laurence Rees---what proof do they have come up with?

    LINDA....I got shocked when I was told from a student in an world exchange of students what actually goes on inside the Auschwitz gas chamber today.
    She told me it is a favorite place for girls to disrobe and then take photos inside. Each girl would take their turn at the doors watching no one came. The new place for taking nude photos is at the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool. I have watched pictures from both places and envy the girls. Next time I go there, I and my girlfriends will do the same. After we done so we send you our photos so you can use them in your work of informing the public.

    JACOB.....The hard hitting work of Laurence Rees in interviewing his tens of thousands of Survivor Witnesses and SS men are a real eye opener to all those seeing the evils of the Holocaust Deniers. His scholastic achievement and superb erudition is literally stunning. Indeed, as he brought out in all its clarity: The Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool was not a Swimming Pool at all but only disguised as such. Disguised so that the Jewish Sonderkommando could freely carry out their gruesome evil tasks of mass killing. Laurence Rees should be given a Nobel Prize in literature for his poignant exposure of the evils that went on at the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,984 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    JOHN......Laurence Rees's claim of the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool makes total sense to me because it explains why none of the SS knew about it. The SS who had given all the administration over to the Jews in the Camp, truly believed it was a Swimming Pool, not knowing what really was going on. But for such a long time? Really it wasn't long at all. Jew Bernard Madoff got Gentiles and Jews ripped off already in the l970's. They were the smartest and brightest people around. Yet no one knew what he was up to. And all got fooled. Think of it----all those years, yet no one knew. So why should the German SS know what the Jewish Sonderkommando were up to?

    Laughable comparison, couldn't be bothered with the rest - bad for the eyes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,967 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BLAH BLAH BLAH

    Please, go away. You're making a fool of yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,984 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Please, go away. You're making a fool of yourself.

    Being dead for 60 years hasn't improved his literary prowess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    You will be glad to know I have by-passed the 'block' and gone straight to the 'butcher' to get to the bottom of this one.

    http://www.laurencerees.com/

    and an article he wrote for The Mail below, with not a mention of Trampolines, but some stuff about the Russians making political capital out of the concentration camps.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247157/How-survivors-Auschwitz-escaped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html

    I have it on good authority from "Laurence" himself that this 'Trampoline' story is a crock of shit, most likely to have originated in 'Little Britain' or 'The Onion'

    Frankly George, if this was an attempt at an April fools joke, it's in bad taste.

    Unless you can provide some link to an acedemic source (NOT SOMEONES BLOG) you really shouldn't be posting on this thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Hey George, its rather sneaky to keep re editing your posts, if you have new information to add create a new post, that way the rest of us can more clearly follow your 'Argument'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,967 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There is no argument. It's just an attempt to derail the thread with nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 George Orwell


    THANK YOU FOR YOUR CRITICISM.

    WHY THE SCHOOL OF ''TRAMPOLINE DOCTRINE'' HAS ERUPTED IS NONE OTHER THAN THE FAULT OF THE EXTERMINATIONISTS, THE COMMERCIAL HOLOCAUST CULT ADHERENTS. HERE IS WHY IN BRIEF

    THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRAMPOLINE DOCTRINE IS NONE OTHER THAN LAURENCE REES HIMSELF WHILE OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVING MONOPOLY OF THAT HONOR

    LAURENCE REES HAS BECOME A DISTINGUISHED FIGURE WITHIN THE TRAMPOLINE DOCTRINE CULT BECAUSE OF BEING POSSIBLE THE FIRST ESTABLISHMENT STAR COMING OUT THAT THERE EVEN EXISTED SUCH A WATER RESERVOIR. THUS FROM BURNING SAHARA DRYNESS, IN HAS COME DE PROFUNDIS NOAHCAN FLOOD OF WATER CONSISTING IN HUGE WATER DEPOSIT

    ANOTHER DEVOTED WORK BY EXTERMINATIONISTS AND HIGH UP ON THEIR AGENDA, IS, TO HELP THE IMPRISONMENT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS. LITTLE WONDER WHY FREE SPEECH IS SUCH AN EVIL THING AMONGS THEM AND THAT THE LAW OF DE MORTUIS REIGNS SUPREME. LAURENCE REES, NOR ANYONE ELSE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT ACADEMICS, HAVE EVER LIFTED THEIR FINGER TO PROTEST PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR THEIR DOUBTS, BELIEF, POLITIC, OR IDEOLOGY. EACH HAVE THEIR PREFERENTIAL ENEMY THEY WANT JAILED, BE THAT COMMUNIST, STALINIST, NAZIST, ISLAMIST, CAPITALIST, SOCIALIST, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND ESPECIALLY REVISIONISTS

    1. For some 60 years visitors, books, and films, inform that the victims to be gassed entered from the Gallows Door and thus begun the Gallows Door Doctrine and the Secret Doctrine as the prevailing doctrines of the Auschwitz Holy Shrine with its Relics of proof for corpus dead. This Doctrine, faithfully followed by its little cortege of devout worshippers, was taught as Gospel Truth for some 60 years. After some 60 years being hammered into our heads about this ''absolute truth,'' and ''Gospel Truth,'' a new absolute truth begins. The victims did NOT in fact enter through the Gallows Door, as there was no such door there when the victims were allegedly gassed, and now in marches the Corpse Door Doctrine; to replace the Gallows Door Doctrine.

    When Gordon Brown and his wife visited Auschwitz the newfangled Corpse Door Doctrine had begun. But not only that, before he and his wife's visit, the Corpse Door is secretly changed by an Owellian pig Napoleon in the night operation. The Corpse Door, solemnly declared ''authentic'' and ex cathedra for some 60 years, is now secretly removed, and in comes a new door. People had been lied and fooled to for some 60 years about the authenticity of this door. Were you openly challenging it in Poland and outside, you were jailed, as was Ditlieb Felderer and others. This, all the while the Auschwitz Museum For War obtains huge grants from UNESCO and elsewhere for its self-proclaimed ''authenticity.'' Responsible for the new Corpse Door Doctrine, replacing the Gallows Door Doctrine, is, Piotr Cywinski and his Israeli bosses for without them he would never move his derriere in fear of his fastidious Israeli bosses who put him there; so well fed and protected against any criticism, daring debunking that Holy Judaeic Temple hoax.

    2. After vigorously denying, and people being put in jail, at times tortured, for stating that there was an Olympic Swimming Pool at Auschwitz; people are now told there is indeed such a pool there, but only disguised as such. If you feel it looks like a Swimming Pool, you are only imagining it, as it only looks like such. It was made to look like such. All the while people were told the victims were thirsting to death. And here now they are told, and can see it, as the forbidden signs are gone, that there is a super huge water reservoir there---call what you like it. Why deny it for so many years, and put people in jail for saying so, and now admit it? Little wonder why people adopt the Trampoline Doctrine in explanation of the 4 million killed victims by the Genocide, Serial Killing Jewish Sonderkommando, rather than the old Corpse Door Doctrine. What is more credible----walking through earth and cement, or, pushed from Trampolines?

    3. Laurence Rees seems to be the first Establishment Exterminationist admitting that such a basin of water exists. This confession came first AFTER 2000. Prior to that the Gospel teaching was it did not exist. In the meantime people have been jailed for stating this.

    4. As for the matter of Laurence Rees and the material presented about him, I am looking through it with the help of our youthful group. I shall return once the investigation has been done.


    THE COMMENTS ARE TRANSLATED FROM VARIOUS LANGUAGES
    TRANSLATION CAN AT TIMES BE A TRICKY THING. WHILE WE CERTAINLY AREN'T PERFECT OUR TRANSLATIONS ARE STILL MILES AHEAD OF THOSE DONE AND PAYED BY HUGE COMPANIES. ANY CORRECTION WILL IN THE FUTURE BE FOUND AT http://www/joy-thought.blogspot.com

    NICK.....I was driving my car in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, where I at that time lived. I got a real shock as an Auschwitz Survivor testified on the radio about the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool. In spite of me being a history teacher I had never read or heard of such an Olympic Swimming Pool existed in Auschwitz. The radio station was heard all over the Cleveland, Ohio, USA area. If I remember right the women testified that people were killed there, inside the Olympic Swimming Pool. She also stated something about ''white stuff.'' My guess is, seeing I had got my third car when I heard it, it was in the fall of l982. I don't know if this was the first time such a Swimming Pool was mentioned publicly. It seems to have been kept quiet and secret. By coincidence I later read in an article in New York Times that such a Swimming Pool did not exist and was all an invention by Revisionists who had attended a censorship trial in Canada. Evidently it does exist in spite of mass media denial. Possibly Laurence Rees was the first, or one of the first amongst the Establishment Martyrologists, to bring attention to it. I also wonder why they have kept it secret for so many years and getting away with it.

    IGNATZ......I don't have Lurence Rees's quote but only the fact of admitting there was a water reservoir is a bold step in the draught Commercial Holocaust Cult morass. Remember, we were solemnly told for years inmates, especially Jews, got there starving and THIRSTING even BEFORE getting to Auschwitz. They were then quickly SELECTED in a LEFT AND RIGHT move by Dr. Mengele, and then gassed. The water reservoir puts a whole new twist to Exterminationism which equates hurling oneself into Dante's Inferno. Evidently the Exterminationists, after denying it for so long, now tell us there was indeed a huger Olympic Swimming Pool disguised as such, but in fact being a water reservoir. Thus we can now be at rest with the assurance that the Jewish Sonderkommando did in fact not go thirsty in their grisly religious task of murdering 4 million, but had so much water for their corporal survival which equalled a whole Olympic Swimming Pool! I put it, that for the Trampoline Doctrine one of the most responsible is Laurence Rees. To me this method of mass killing of the four million at Auschwitz makes much more sense than the Gallows Door Doctrine whereby the victims first walked through a wall of mud and earth, then a thick concrete wall---and so they were inside the gas chamber. What's easiest and most logical? Walk through a thick wall of earth and mud. Then to be faced with a thick concrete wall, from which there is not the slightest evidence of physical evidence, or the physical evidence of Trampolines, an Olympic Swimming Pool, or water reservoir if you wish to call it? Little wonder why the kids choose the Trampolines.

    ANNA......Something similar happened to our class in visiting the Auschwitz Meusum For War that others have mentioned about. We saw this strange glass door inside the Auschwitz gas chamber and we all wondered what it was doing there. The question was finally resolved when one girl suggested the glass door, was, so that the Jewish Sonderkommando could have a good peak at the naked girls. Thus they didn't need a peephole. They had a whole glass window at their disposal. Everyone was laughing and the tourists coming from various countries wondered why we were laughing. In telling them, and taking a good look at the glass door, the entire room erupted into a thunderous laughter. We all agreed this was the funniest house around and baptized the place as the ''Auschwitz Funny House.'' The huge chimney outside just by the ''gas chamber'' we baptized the ''Auschwitz Erect Penis.'' Later we found out this was also a fake chimney, so there isn't much a woman could do with that one were they to dream about it. Who wants a substitute, when you can get the real stuff?

    BILL......Could it not be that the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool diving boards, or, trampolines, ended up in one of the swimming pools Germany built all over Poland? When Germany entered Poland they started to construct all sorts of things, such as building roads, including swimming pools. Swimming pools did not exist in Poland before Germany invaded it and Germany was the foremost country in Europe at the time getting them built all over the country. The Germans were also the first to build proper roads in Poland. I wouldn't be surprised if the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool diving boards, or trampolines did end up there. Hence Stalin may not have taken them to Russia as he did with many things.

    ALI......I want to remind you that Islam built bath pools all over Spain, one specially known is in Granada. Thus Islam was the first one to make them common since the time of the Romans. Christians frowned them and considered them develish, immoral, sexy, and as vain luxury. In fact, there was a general belief in Christendom the dirtier, the closer to God. Nietzsche was one of the first to show the contradictions here with Christendom and Islam. As for trampolines, I don't know. It has to be investigated.

    BERTIL......Trampolines, or diving boards were not just plain boards made of wood in those days. There was always a cork mat covering the top in order to avoid sliding. Some diving boards had cork covering the while board. Cork may have been a valuable material in those days of war and just after. Perhaps Stalin wasn't so much interested in the wood, but in the cork. Does anyone know?

    JOSEF......I think Stalin makes complete sense if he removed the trampolines from the Auschwitz Olympic Swimming Pool. When the decision was finally made to make the Camp over into a museum against Capitalism----showing the crimes of Capitalism, Stalin wouldn't be so foolish to let the witnesses stare at diving boards as that would make the visitors ask questions. Regardless if the Jewish Sonderkommando kept their killing actions there or were just using the pool to enjoy a swim. So Stalin did four things: 1. Had the trampolines removed. 2. Had the place cordoned off so people didn't get to the Swimming Pool. 3. Guards, probably in civil clothing, would be told to keep it under surveillance. 4. Threatened that those who would mention about it would be put in jail or shipped off to the Soviet Gulags.

    ELLENOR......Has anyone tested the glass door found inside the Auschwitz gas chamber? In knocking only slightly on the glass I got afraid I break it.

    BERTIL......As a young boy I used to help my father in installing glass in windows, doors, furniture, even cars. Our class went to visit Auschwitz and while inside the gas chamber I noticed a glass door. The glass door caught my eyes because it is right inside the gas chamber. My first thought was that this was some special, bulletproof glass if such existed in those days. Our whole class assembled at the glass door and I begun to check it and I found it was of worst quality than the glass I helped installing in the cheapest flimsy kitchen doors. Our whole class concluded this was a fake place, rigged up by some people to make an easy buck. When telling our history teacher, who escorted us on the trip, about it, he got angry. He refused to come with us, giving his reason the place was so shocking he could not bear seeing it. He then told us to be quiet about it. When some kids protested he threatened with that they would get a lower mark and that he was in good contact with the school authorities. Realizing the consequences of informing people what we had seen, we kept our mouths shut. Passing school examen was too important for us. He claimed to be a Holocaust Survivor and used to give all kinds of stories in schools and other places. Of course, all of us kids wondered how he could continue to get away with it.

    ESMERALDA......How strange all this is. First they told our classes Auschwitz was the most terrible, horrible Extermination Camp in the world. Then they tell us kids that there was a water reservoir disguised as an Olympic Swimming Pool used by firemen. I thought people were sent there to die as quickly as possible; indeed some 4 million. Now they tell us there were firemen there, evidently Jews, to fight fires and to save life. Or, were these Jewish Sonderkommando of firemen only shutting fires to save their whisky, condoms and their prostitutes?

    EVA.....While at school so called Holocaust Survivors came to ''testify'' about their experiences. We then could ask questions about the Holocaust. I noticed that when we asked the question on how we would be sure they were ''Holocaust Survivors,'' each time we ended up with getting evasive answers. They even get angry for such questions. We never could get a straight answer for authentication that they were there. I think that most of these ''survivors'' never were at the places they claim and they are making it all up so that us kids feel sorry for them. It's all show business for money.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    OK, F*ck it I'll Bite

    George Can you please explain the logistics of killing 'Four Million' People with an Olympic Swimming Pool?

    How many people can you process in a day?
    Does the pool have water in it?
    Who takes the bodies out again?
    Why specifically use Diving boards, why not just push them off the edge?
    Whats the turnaround time on a wagon load of Untermenschen, From Gate to Grave?
    What part did the SS Guards play in all this??
    what if the person can swim??

    also thats not an 'Olympic Sized' Swimming pool in that photo, Granted its a big pool, but its not 'Olympic'.

    If this is true, or even if there happens to be any form of truth behind these allegations, why has no one ever mentioned it before now??


    Also why do I feel that this thread is gonna finally depart from sanity into a trolling match between StormFront & GIYUS


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    ok this is a matter for the mods. I have drawn attention, and assume serious posters have done the same.

    George is obviously on a mission (ADL Attack Dog), or hard drugs (his own personal business...poor sad soul), the rest is up to the mods, and their credibility is now on the table....

    politics.ie is becoming more inviting the longer this clown is allowed to continue with this crap.

    enough said...

    .


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