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  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭IrelandSpirit


    6th wrote: »
    Lads I've read a few comments in the last few posts that make me want to ban people. Grow up.


    Interesting... then why don't you ban them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Diogenes wrote: »
    You made the claim the onus is on you to support it. Thats the way grown ups behave. You shouldn't go around making wild claims and then say "Well prove me wrong so". I cannot for example; accuse you of being a paedophile, and then insist that you give me proof that you're not a paedophile.

    Ok well if you think thats an acceptable post to make then we can do without you for a couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    Baxter scientists patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus * Austrian Baxter scientist involved in H1N1 vaccine patent also advises WHO

    By birdflu666

    Otfried Kistner, the head of virology at Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary in Orth an der Donau, which contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus and sent it to 16 labs this February, was part of the Austrian-based Baxter team that applied for a provisional patent for the “swine flu” H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, almost two years before the first “swine flu” outbreak in Mexico City in April2009 in a location about 50 kilometers from a Baxter facility.

    Baxter’s Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 gives “Kistner et al” as the applicant for the patent for the H1N1 vaccine that was provisionally filed on August 28, 2007.

    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf

    Also Kistner is an advisor to WHO and took part in the WHO meeting in Geneva 2005 on the Evaluation and Development of Influenza Pandemic Vaccines.

    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:VwWbwsW7dc4J:www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/influenza/Kistner.pdf+ottfried+kistner&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

    It was WHO which supplied Baxter with the live bird flu virus that Baxter used to contaminate 72 kilos of vaccine material, sending it to 16 labs in four countries, neary sparking a pandemic in Febuary.

    Source for story: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-team-patents-the-swine-flu-vaccine-two-years-before-swine-flu-outbreak-austrian-baxter-scientist-involved-in-h1n1-vaccine-patent-also-advises-who/


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    Baxter to evaluate safety of its own H1N1 vaccines in New Zealand

    New Zealand’s Angus Jowitt interviewed NZ Ministry of Health Deputy Director for Public Health Fran McGrath, and it emerged that Baxter is to conduct safety trials on its own H1N1 vaccines. There will be no indepenent testing.

    http://www.95bfm.com/assets/sm/191865/3/FranMcGrath.mp3

    Source: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-to-conduct-safety-tests-of-own-h1n1-vaccines-in-new-zealand-no-independent-testing/


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    Baxter scientists who patented the H1N1 “swine flu” vaccine in August 2007 have shares in Baxter and so stand to profit directly from “recommending” H1N1 flu jab to WHO in conflict of interest


    Baxter, the vaccine company found to have contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with live bird flu virus supplied by WHO in Austria in February 2009, so nearly triggering a pandemic, has announced an increase of 7.9 per cent in second quarter profits and is looking forward to a boost in earnings from the H1N1 flu jab, which has been mandated by WHO in response to the “swine flu” pandemic, reports WSJ and CLG.
    It was Baxter executives, along with their counterparts in Novartis, GSK and Sanofi, who participated in the vaccine advisory group meeting of WHO on July 7th that recommended H1N1 vaccines for the world’s population.

    These H1N1 vaccines were developed by Baxter scientists based in Austria who also have shares in Baxter, and so stand to make a direct profit from the demand created by WHO’s instructions to governments to vaccinate all their populations against the H1N1.

    Also, Baxter’s Austrian-based science team led by Otfried Kistner filed the provisional application for the H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, reports CLG, almost two years before the HIN1 virus appeared in April and which the Paris based World Organization for Animal Health reported had never been seen before.

    The fact that the virus had never been seen before in animal or human strongly suggests the notion that Baxter was instrumental in biosprospecting for and bioengineering the virus in the first place.
    That would explain why Baxter was in a position to file a patent in August 2007. The existence of this patent also reinforces the notion that it was Baxter that released the “swine flu” virus in April. After all, where did it this previously unseen virus come from if not from the lab of the company that patented it 2 years earlier? A Baxter facility is close to the location where the “swine flu” first mysteriously appeared in Mexico City.
    The Baxter H1N1 application is filed by a team of Austrian, German staff including Otfried Kistner, Ph.D., and P. Noel Barrett, Ph.D., for the Baxter H5N1 Pandemic Influenza Vaccine Clinical Study Team, who also report they have shares in Baxter in a clincial study on that same H1N1 vaccine published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    CLG reports: “Baxter Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 –’In particular preferred embodiments the composition or vaccine comprises more than one antigen…..such as influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2, H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7, H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3, H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2, H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes.’

    Also, Ehrlich, Kistner and Barret published a clinical trial in the New England Journal of Medicine ((Previous Volume 358:2573-2584 June 12, 2008 Number 24) on the safety of an H5N1 whole-virus vaccine produced on Vero cell cultures and its ability to induce antibodies capable of neutralizing various H5N1 strains, in which they concluded that the use of adjuvants did not improve the antibody response.

    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/358/24/2573

    And yet Baxter and WHO recommended oil-in-water adjuvants for the H1N1 “vaccines”.
    These adjuvants have been associated with many diseases.
    “SAGE recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines was important,” says the WHO pandemic briefing note of July 13th.

    http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_vaccine_20090713/en/index.html

    In addtion, WHO announced on July 16th that countries with “swine flu” cases no longer need to report them.

    Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 3
    Changes in reporting requirements for pandemic (H1N1) 2009 virus infection
    16 JULY 2009 | GENEVA — As the 2009 pandemic evolves, the data needed for risk assessment, both within affected countries and at the global level, are also changing.
    At this point, further spread of the pandemic, within affected countries and to new countries, is considered inevitable.
    This assumption is fully backed by experience. The 2009 influenza pandemic has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. In past pandemics, influenza viruses have needed more than six months to spread as widely as the new H1N1 virus has spread in less than six weeks.
    The increasing number of cases in many countries with sustained community transmission is making it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for countries to try and confirm them through laboratory testing.

    Moreover, the counting of individual cases is now no longer essential in such countries for monitoring either the level or nature of the risk posed by the pandemic virus or to guide implementation of the most appropriate response measures.

    And yet the same WHO calims that the “swine flu” has spread internationally with unprecedented speed. How can WHO know this if it drops the requirement for countries to suppply data on the speed and spread of that same virus? How can it track how the virus is mutating without data from countries?

    In the July 13th briefing note, WHO places emphasise on collecting data for a “post-marketing surveillance” and so it is justifiable to ask why WHO does not want data for a pre marketing surveillance?

    “Since new technologies are involved in the production of some pandemic vaccines, which have not yet been extensively evaluated for their safety in certain population groups, it is very important to implement post-marketing surveillance of the highest possible quality. In addition, rapid sharing of the results of immunogenicity and post-marketing safety and effectiveness studies among the international community will be essential for allowing countries to make necessary adjustments to their vaccination policies.”

    Source: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-scientists-who-patented-baxters-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-in-august-2008-have-shares-in-baxter-and-stand-to-profit-directly-from-recommending-baxter-h1n1-flu-jab-to-who/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Willis78 wrote: »
    Someone for anti semitism
    Only joking they obviously don't do that around here.
    Willis78 wrote: »
    Finally

    Willis78 = Returning banner user DTrotter. Perma Banned.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭derry


    tallaght01 wrote: »
    Sorry man. Don't even think about that. The bio+med forum is for science.

    Interesting a science and med lurking in conspiarcy section

    so lets just pretend that you not a med and your in the med section a spoofer doctor.That means that in this forum you can say crazy things like your just as worried about taking the jab .Or how about you know the hospitals are ramped up for forced vacciens

    lets see whats the plan a sleeping agent in the water supply
    Then as the dippos sleep the vaccines teams move and vaccine the plebs in thier sleep

    There is planty science stuff to show the oil used in the vaccine production is bad real bad.it is used in larger ampounts as it revs up the immune response>then they can use less of the virus agent and save money.However the oil causes the reved up immune system to keep going and it starts to attck part of the victims bodies like nerve cells that look similar to the oil from the vaccine and all sorts of nasty things happen to the victims

    Anyway My pitch fork is sharpened and I got 6 months supply of food and lots of water in the house and ready for the seige . I garentee I can easily take out ten medical staff who dare to try to rush me breaking into my house to try vacinate me forceably.

    Every day reports come to me of others in the ROI who are doing similar as we figure the ROI regime has already been replaced by the UN and WHO comminsar who dictates to the gombeen men in leinster house what to make the army and garda do

    Check my new thread for the USA story where a doctor Khan says the UN power is level 6
    DrKhan wrote:
    Level 6 gives world governments including the UK and USA rights unprecedented and the power to override the Constitution and much more. It ultimately gives the United Nation a World Leadership (IN FACT) role if it so chooses.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61194397&posted=1#post61194397



    Derry


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    derry wrote: »
    Interesting a science and med lurking in conspiarcy section

    so lets just pretend that you not a med and your in the med section a spoofer doctor.That means that in this forum you can say crazy things like your just as worried about taking the jab .Or how about you know the hospitals are ramped up for forced vacciens

    Lets not pretend. Lets show respect to fellow posters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    Law can force Norwegians to take H1N1 vaccine from GSK


    Norwegains could be forced to take the H1N1 vaccine under a law that allows mandatory vaccination to be enforced. §3-8

    http://www.lovdata.no/all/tl-19940805-055-003.html

    The Norwegian government has contracted Glaxo Smith Kline to supply 9.4 million doses or two doses for each person in the country. GSK is rushing the H1N1 vaccine through trials, sparking concerns over safety.

    http://www.vg.no/helse/artikkel.php?artid=568596

    Some of the facts about the situation in Norway reveal the close financial and personal links between the head of the privatised Norwegian authority responsible for vaccinations, the vaccine industry and its promoters, fuelling fears of a conflict of interest:

    1) The supreme vaccination agency in Norway is Folkehelseinstiuttet (FHI):
    http://www.fhi.no/eway/

    2) Camilla Stoltenberg, Director of Division of Epidemiology since 2002, is the sister of our prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg.

    3) Jens Stoltenberg is travelling hand in hand with Bill Gates on vaccination campaigns, marketing vaccination.

    4) FHI’s accounts are exempted from public scrutiny due to their being a private player in the vaccination market.

    5) FHI has ordered 9,4 million doses of pandemic vaccine for the Norwegian people, two doses per head, from Glaxo. The price: 650 million NKR.

    6) The vaccine is supposed to be ready for use in Nov/Dec 2009.

    7) There has been no mandatory vaccination programme for many years so the authorities will be very nervous if they have to enforce vaccination on the Norwegian people. But if pressed hard enough by WHO and CDC, I guess they will feel that they have no choice but to follow up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    Novartis recalled “H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new “H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

    Novartis recalled its “swine flu” HIN1 vaccine in February of this year, two months before the outbreak of the allegedly new and unseeen “swine flu” H1N1 outbreak in Mexico City occurred in April.

    The timing of the recall of the H1N1 vaccine raises questions concerning how Novartis could have had a vaccine for the “swine flu” H1N1 virus on the market months before this allegedly new and dangerous “swine flu” virus appeared in Mexico in April. The appearance of the H1N1 virus was allegedly so new and so dangerous that WHO felt obliged to declare a pandemic emergency level 6 even though there’ve been hardly any deaths around the globe officially attributed to the so-called “swine flu”.

    As a result of this declaration of a pandemic level 6 emergency, WHO’s vaccine advisory group packed with executives from Baxter and Novartis recommended worldwide vaccination, a recommendation WHO translated into a guideline with legal force.

    Now, billions of people around the world face the prospect of a mandatory vaccination with unproven, toxic substances for a harmless virus that has been bioengineered to be lethal.

    Novartis is also planning to have MF 59 or squalene in its vaccine, a toxic adjuvant.

    Novartis “bird flu” vaccine, which killed at least 20 people in Poland last summer, has “adverse events reactions” listed as its “primary outcome measure” on the database of clinical trials.

    Novartis’ CEO Daniel Vassella was at the Bilderberg meeting in Athens this May together with Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann. Were they discussing plans to coordinate the activities of the Austrian government, Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary and other vaccine companies such as Novartis to implement forced vaccination in the autumn in response to the media frenzy whipped up by the appearance of a virus in Mexico that Novartis had a vaccine for anyway months before?

    It was Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary that contaminated 72 pounds of vaccine material with live bird flu virus this February and sent it out to 16 labs in four countries, thereby nearly triggering a pandemic.
    —-
    MANUFACTURER:
    Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited
    Liverpool United Kingdom

    REASON:
    Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Inc. has requested their customers to immediately discontinue use of and return any remaining doses they may have from five lots of FLUVIRIN® Influenza vaccine Luer-Lok pre-filled syringes.

    Routine stability testing of FLUVIRIN in prefilled Luer-Lok syringes revealed a minor deviation in the potency of the A/Brisbane (H1N1) component of the vaccine. The vaccine met all required specifications at the time of release and has been monitored in monthly time intervals during its shelf life; it has consistently met specification until the most recent test point in early January 2009 that identified a minimal decrease in H1N1 antigen content.

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and Novartis Vaccines have agreed that no public health impact is expected because 1) all of the affected vaccine was shipped when the vaccine met potency requirements, 2) most influenza vaccine in the US is administered during October and November, months when the vaccine met potency requirements, and 3) the decrease in antigen content is small and would have a negligible if any effect on immune response to vaccination. Revaccination of patients that have been vaccinated with the affected lots is not necessary.
    —–

    Source:

    http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/novartis-recalls-h1n1-vaccine-two-months-before-h1n1-outbreak-in-mexico/


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    samson09 wrote: »
    Baxter scientists patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus * Austrian Baxter scientist involved in H1N1 vaccine patent also advises WHO

    By birdflu666

    Otfried Kistner, the head of virology at Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary in Orth an der Donau, which contaminated 72 kilos of vaccine material with the live bird flu virus and sent it to 16 labs this February, was part of the Austrian-based Baxter team that applied for a provisional patent for the “swine flu” H1N1 vaccine in August 2007, almost two years before the first “swine flu” outbreak in Mexico City in April2009 in a location about 50 kilometers from a Baxter facility.

    Baxter’s Vaccine Patent Application US 2009/0060950 A1 gives “Kistner et al” as the applicant for the patent for the H1N1 vaccine that was provisionally filed on August 28, 2007.

    http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/vaccines/Baxter%20Vaccine%20Patent%20Application.pdf

    Also Kistner is an advisor to WHO and took part in the WHO meeting in Geneva 2005 on the Evaluation and Development of Influenza Pandemic Vaccines.

    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:VwWbwsW7dc4J:www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/influenza/Kistner.pdf+ottfried+kistner&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

    It was WHO which supplied Baxter with the live bird flu virus that Baxter used to contaminate 72 kilos of vaccine material, sending it to 16 labs in four countries, neary sparking a pandemic in Febuary.

    Source for story: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/baxter-team-patents-the-swine-flu-vaccine-two-years-before-swine-flu-outbreak-austrian-baxter-scientist-involved-in-h1n1-vaccine-patent-also-advises-who/

    Nice hyberbole however the reality is a little disappointing when you read the document. I appears to be a method of general viral vaccine production, this is not the same thing as 'patenting h1n1 vaccine' which is interestingly not mentioned in the document at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Nice hyberbole however the reality is a little disappointing when you read the document. I appears to be a method of general viral vaccine production, this is not the same thing as 'patenting h1n1 vaccine' which is interestingly not mentioned in the document at all.

    Yes it does. Read it again.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    samson09 wrote: »
    Yes it does. Read it again.

    Ok I see it now in a list of all known flu subtypes. Still it is not a patent of a swine flu vaccine, just a patent on a refined viral vaccine production process. So the decription accompanying the document link is a flat out lie. Not suprising given the find the average Conspiracy theorist is about as honest as a creationist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Ok I see it now in a list of all known flu subtypes. Still it is not a patent of a swine flu vaccine, just a patent on a refined viral vaccine production process. So the decription accompanying the document link is a flat out lie. Not suprising given the find the average Conspiracy theorist is about as honest as a creationist.

    You need to read it again. It's an application for a patent. No need to be nasty marco.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    samson09 wrote: »
    You need to read it again. It's an application for a patent. No need to be nasty marco.


    Headline = "Baxter scientists patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus". :eek:

    Actual document = bog standard, run of the mill, viral vaccine production process patent application.

    Have I have missed something?


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Headline = "Baxter scientists patented the “swine flu” vaccine two years before outbreak of “novel swine flu” virus". :eek:

    Actual document = bog standard, run of the mill, viral vaccine production process patent application.

    Have I have missed something?


    Maybe we should ask an independent observer (such as a mod?) to chip in here, no point going around in circles, we're only creating needless conflict.

    Anywho, lets see where we stand at the moment. The latest news is that Germany is preparing itself for a mass vaccination programme to commence in September,while over in Belgium new legislation has been passed that allows the health minister to use the police in the event of forced vaccinations. Brilliant.

    Following WHO’s “swine flu” instructions, Germany prepares for mass vaccination in September * WHO assumes control of Belgium police force

    Germany’s Health Minister Ulla Schmidt has said that a mass campaign for vaccination against the “swine” flu is to begin in September with “chronically ill patients, health care workers, police officers, fire fighters, public workers and pregnant women” to receive the injections first in response to WHO’s instructions to its 194 member countries to vaccinate their entire populations.

    Baxter — one of the very companies that are set to profit from this order — sits on WHO’s advisory vaccine board as an “observer”.
    Baxter’s Austrian subsidiary also sent out 72 kilos of live bird flu supplied by WHO this February in an act that can only be explained by assuming criminal intent given the high security standards surrounding biosafety level 3 facilities in which live bird flu virus must be supplied.

    Is the German Health Minister — as the Austrian Health Minister appears to be — misusing her office to further the agenda of the pharma companies and in reckless disregard for the lives and health of the German population? Are there financial or other links between Ulla Schmidt and pharma industry?

    Although the German government maintains the injection will be voluntary, the laws that are in place to make it mandatory can be activated any time.

    Belgium recently announced that it had passed a law allowing the health minister to make use of the police for forced vaccinations. See report on

    http://www.rtlinfo.be/rtl/news/article/258062/grippe-ah1n1-loi-d-exception-et-campagne-de-vaccination/

    The health ministers of all countries will answer to WHO in the event of a pandemic emergency under pandemic plans passed in each country in 2005 and under the International Health Regulations of 2005. That means that WHO has obtained the ultimate authority over the Belgium police.
    —–
    Deutsche Welle
    July 19, 2009
    The German health ministry announced on Friday that an estimated quarter of Germany’s population will be eligible to receive the flu shots. This confirms reports earlier this week that the government had plans to order 50 million vaccine units against swine flu. The vaccines will be available from September, to coincide with an expected surge in flu cases.
    Health state ministers late on Thursday agreed that chronically ill patients, health care workers, police officers, fire fighters, public workers and pregnant women can receive the injections first. Two shots are needed for the vaccination to be effective against the (A)H1N1 virus.
    “The vaccinations are a precautionary measure,” said health ministry spokesman, Klaus Vater. “No one can tell how the new virus will develop in the coming weeks.”
    Despite the priority immunization list, Federal Health Minister Ulla Schmidt insists that everyone who wants to be vaccinated against swine flu, will be able to do so. Protecting the entire population is expected to cost health insurers an estimated two billion euros"

    http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/following-whos-instructions-germany-prepares-for-mass-vaccination-in-september-who-assumes-control-of-belgium-police-force/

    For anyone that doubts that an agreement between 194 countries and the WHO exists, which may lead to a "take-over" of the WHO in the event of a pandemic emergency, take a look at this.

    http://www.who.int/ihr/9789241596664/en/index.html

    The possibilty of mandatory vaccinations is very real folks, whether you believe the vaccine is safe or not. **This does not mean you will be forcibly injected against your will (although this isnt out of the question either), but if you dont have the vaccine you may find life becoming very difficult (you may end up being summoned to court, you might not be allowed to board an aircraft to another country, etc)**- Note, just my opinion here.

    Oh yeah, I have ditched the idea of filing criminal charges, now it seems that the best thing to do is to file an injunction in the circuit court. If there are any solicitors/lawyers/barristers who want to help, please pm me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    APPENDIX 1
    STATES PARTIES TO THE INTERNATIONAL HEALTH
    REGULATIONS (2005)
    1
    Except as otherwise indicated, the International Health Regulations (2005) entered into force on 15 June 2007 for the following States:

    Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia,
    Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize,
    Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria,
    Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad,
    Chile, China2, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba,
    Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of the Congo,
    Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea,
    Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece
    2,
    Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland,
    India (8 August 2007)
    2, Indonesia, Iran (Islamic Republic of)2, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica,
    Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic,
    Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar,
    Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico,
    Micronesia (Federated States of), Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro (5 February 2008),
    Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua,
    Niger, Nigeria, Niue, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru,
    Philippines, Poland, Portugal
    2, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint
    Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and
    Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia,
    Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden,
    Switzerland, Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Thailand, The former Yugoslav Republic of
    Macedonia, Timor-Leste, Togo, Tonga
    2, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey2, Turkmenistan,
    Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
    Ireland, United Republic of Tanzania, United States of America (18 July 2007)
    2, Uruguay,
    Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of), Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

    There we are, along with the other 193 countries who may soon find themselves answering to the WHO. :(


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    May I ask the circumstances under which 194 countries would willingly hand over Sovereignty to the WHO en bloc? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    This will happen in the event of a "pandemic emergency", this will probably be announced sometime in Autumn as we have been told to expect a surge in the number of cases at this time. Countries around the world are already getting ready for this. Most countries have either bought or ordered enough vaccines to vaccinate every single citizen at least twice, and an increasing number of governments are passing legislation that will allow the police to be used in the event of a mandatory vaccination.

    Here's the latest news:

    CLG UPDATES – China puts in place efficient flu monitoring system while WHO abandons all monitoring requirements * UK government looks set to keep schools open against expert advice and to force vaccinate children in autumn * “Swine flu pandemic” will “tip” UK economy over the brink in worst decline in 90 years

    http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/china-puts-in-place-efficient-monitoring-system-to-check-spread-of-swine-flu-uk-government-looks-set-to-insist-on-keeping-schools-open-against-expert-advice-swine-flu-pandemic-will-ti/


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    samson09 wrote: »
    and an increasing number of governments are passing legislation that will allow the police to be used in the event of a mandatory vaccination.

    Can you provide a single example of this?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Maybe you shouldn't rely on an anonymous blog for all your information?


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    humanji wrote: »
    Maybe you shouldn't rely on an anonymous blog for all your information?

    The blog is written by Jane Burgermeister, the journalist who has filed charges in Austria. She has an MA Honours degree from Edinburgh University, Scotland, she has written for Nature, the British Medical Journal, The Scientist, Reuters Health, and The Guardian among other publications. She was also European Correspondent for the website of Renewable Energy World. If you take the time to read it, you will find she references most of what she reports. It is a convenient place to source information as she just tells it like it is and is a great deal less sensationalistic than many others who are covering the "story".

    Humanji, I suggest that next time you make a comment on this thread you put a little bit more effort into any questions you send my way. Do you have anything to say about the content of my posts, do you actually have an opinion on this? Or are you just another person who refuses to look at the big picture and is happy to focus on irrelevant trivialities that do not matter. This will affect you, your family, your friends and your children. At the very minimum, these vaccines contain an adjuvant that will cause auto immune disorders in a unknown percentage of people. The WHO itself acknowledged that these adjuvants have relatively no effect on the effectiveness of vaccines.

    King Mob: Just in case you are responding to me, you are still on my ignore list. This is all I ever see:

    This user is on your Ignore List.

    or

    This message is hidden because King Mob is on your ignore list.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    samson09 wrote: »
    King Mob: Just in case you are responding to me, you are still on my ignore list. This is all I ever see:

    This user is on your Ignore List.

    or

    This message is hidden because King Mob is on your ignore list.

    Nothing worse than people who ask difficult questions, ones that might not fit with a preconceived world view.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Yes but I am not understanding is WHY they would accept WHO control?

    Also why would anyone need 72 Kgs of a virus, when viruses are such efficient replicators, a couple of grams would be more than enough to generate all the viral matter they would need. What is her source for this claim?


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    meglome wrote: »
    Nothing worse than people who ask difficult questions, ones that might not fit with a preconceived world view.

    If you feel the question is important ask it yourself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Yes but I am not understanding is WHY they would accept WHO control?

    Also why would anyone need 72 Kgs of a virus, when viruses are such efficient replicators, a couple of grams would be more than enough to generate all the viral matter they would need. What is her source for this claim?


    They would accept it because they are legally obliged to and also because we have been led to believe that such an action would be in our own best interests.

    The 72 kgs was 72 kgs of vaccine material (not just virus) contaminated with live bird flu virus.

    "Baxter AG, headquartered in Vienna, and the Austrian subsidiary of the pharmaceutical company Baxter International, headquartered in Deerfield, IL, USA, sent vaccine material contaminated with deadly live H5N1 bird flu virus to 16 laboratories in four countries in winter 2009 before a technician caught the mistake.
    The deadly mixture of live bird flu virus and human flu virus were mixed in a biosecurity level 3 facility, where basic protocol and procedures would make it impossible to ever mix a live virus bioweapon with vaccine material by accident"

    If you click on the following link and go to pages 31-36 you will find more information (with accompanying sources) under the heading "VII. Evidence as to the role of Baxter and WHO in producing and releasing pandemic virus material in Austria":

    http://wakenews.net/Evidence_of_the_use_of_pandemic_flu_to_depopulate_USA.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭samson09


    For anyone who's interested there's a show on tonight at 1 pm – 3 pm CST (which I think is 7 o clock GMT, it may be 6) where Jane Burgermeister, JoAnne Cremer, Elizabeth Book, Rebecca Campbell and either Dr Carley or Patrick Jordan will be discussing the vaccine story with Bill Ryan.

    Follow link on homepage here:

    http://www.projectcamelot.org/


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    samson09 wrote: »
    They would accept it because they are legally obliged to and also because we have been led to believe that such an action would be in our own best interests.

    The 72 kgs was 72 kgs of vaccine material (not just virus) contaminated with live bird flu virus.

    "Baxter AG, headquartered in Vienna, and the Austrian subsidiary of the pharmaceutical company Baxter International, headquartered in Deerfield, IL, USA, sent vaccine material contaminated with deadly live H5N1 bird flu virus to 16 laboratories in four countries in winter 2009 before a technician caught the mistake.
    The deadly mixture of live bird flu virus and human flu virus were mixed in a biosecurity level 3 facility, where basic protocol and procedures would make it impossible to ever mix a live virus bioweapon with vaccine material by accident"

    If you click on the following link and go to pages 31-36 you will find more information (with accompanying sources) under the heading "VII. Evidence as to the role of Baxter and WHO in producing and releasing pandemic virus material in Austria":

    http://wakenews.net/Evidence_of_the_use_of_pandemic_flu_to_depopulate_USA.pdf

    Apologies I indeed rember the incident in question now. :) I assure you I am no lover of large pharmacuticals, and I hope that they get severly punished for it if found guilty, but to suggest that they deliberately set out to kill people is a big of a stretch to put it mildly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    samson09 wrote: »
    Maybe we should ask an independent observer (such as a mod?) to chip in here, no point going around in circles, we're only creating needless conflict.
    You've provided a link to a pdf copy of the patent application. I assume you've looked through this application yourself. Can you point out where you see something which leads you to believe that it is what the headline claimed it to be?

    I've had a look through it, but not read it all in detail. From my brief perusal, it is exactly what it claims to be on the very front page - a patent application for a "Method for Producing viral vaccines" (numbered item 54).
    samson09 wrote:
    Novartis recalled its “swine flu” HIN1 vaccine in February of this year, two months before the outbreak of the allegedly new and unseeen “swine flu” H1N1 outbreak in Mexico City occurred in April.

    The current outbreak caused by a strain of H1N1.
    H1N1 itself isn't a new subtype.
    You seem to be suggesting that the current pandemic-causing strain isn't new because its a strain of a previously-known subtype.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The WHO calls it a Novel H1N1. i.e. a new strain.


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