Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

its an interesting point. I wonder what the time difference is going Swords to Sandyford via m50 vs. taking the Swords Express through the port tunnel and then Luas to Sandyford during rush hour. I'd imagine driving would probably be quicker but with the m50 getting more and more packed the time difference is likely getting smaller

with schools off etc, Id say if you have a car it makes sense to stay with m50. I had to use the M50 the other day as a one off and the reality is, it is so unpredictable, it is being effectively shut down left right and centre, at least with the bus or train and then luas, you would expect the journey time to far more consistent...

L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

Here's what Tram X City looked like c. 100 years ago, at least ten routes crossing the Liffy.





More of the map here

How depressing.

There was definitely no "Talbort" or "Busy Park" !

L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

Really ?http://two.archiseek.com/2010/1880-oconnell-bridge-dublin/

touché

My mistake.
Its just there was no O'Connell st then.

Ren2k7 wrote: »

How depressing.

But they all ran along the same track - like the Luas cross city is going to. If they build nine spurs off that it'll be the same thing.

L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

Here's what Tram X City looked like c. 100 years ago, at least ten routes crossing the Liffy.





More of the map here

christ look at that red line, whitehall to rathfarnham, that would be a handy aul line these days

salmocab wrote: »

christ look at that red line, whitehall to rathfarnham, that would be a handy aul line these days

Would be great but at that time the trams shared road space with Cars, that might be ok when there's only 1000 motor vehicles registered in the Free State of Ireland, but in 2015 it wouldn't really be an option.

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It wouldn't work with a Luas-type system, but many US cities have trams which share the road and it works perfectly fine.

Have seen it in Toronto, you have an old timey tram, that is perfectly useless for commuting because you get stuck in traffic with all the cars. You might as well just drive yourself.

The odd think is in North America they have plenty of road space for tram and bus only lanes, while still having 4 lanes of regular traffic, they just don't do it for some reason.

cgcsb wrote: »

Have seen it in Toronto, you have an old timey tram, that is perfectly useless for commuting because you get stuck in traffic with all the cars. You might as well just drive yourself.

The odd think is in North America they have plenty of road space for tram and bus only lanes, while still having 4 lanes of regular traffic, they just don't do it for some reason.

I was thinking of some of the more modern systems with preferential traffic lights, etc. which take people around a certain area...

From recollection when they built the lines originally, yes, red ones are shorter (I've a feeling it's to do with that bitch of bend at the top of Dr. Steeven's lane with James Street)

MJohnston wrote: »

How does that work - I only usually ride the red line where the trams and platforms are the same length - are the green line ones longer?

Dardania wrote: »

From recollection when they built the lines originally, yes, red ones are shorter (I've a feeling it's to do with that bitch of bend at the top of Dr. Steeven's lane with James Street)

The Green and Red line trams are currently 43m and 40m long respectively. Not that much of a difference.

One would assume that the rest of the Green Line trams will be lengthened to match these new trams as part of the project.

lxflyer wrote: »

The Green and Red line trams are currently all the same length.


One would assume that the rest of the Green Line trams will be lengthened to match these new trams as part of the project.

Yeah but I was asking about the platforms, not the trams - maybe there's enough space taken up by the two driver cabs at either end to allow an extra carriage?

lxflyer wrote: »

The platforms will be extended where necessary on the Green line to facilitate the longer trams.

South of Sandyford, they are all long enough already.

There will not be trams extending beyond the platform length.

That's interesting, never even noticed that BXD (or indeed Sandyford to Bride's Glen) was being built for longer trams, but just looking at the structure drawings for BXD they do indeed show nine segment trams at each stop. 54m is quite a beast of a tram.