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    #2762
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Did you get a flat price?

    Very hard to get a flat price off local factory got 4.1 of a base the big nearly 4 year old was 4+ so 30c off the base was hard to see 4+ on him rest of them were 3's and 4-


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    #2763
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    onyerbikepat wrote: »
    I hope it's a sign of things to come but you'd have to wonder is it down to backlash from the low prices all along, what with guys not finishing young bulls and all that. There's simple a shortage of finished animals.
    You'd like to think it is a sign of things to come in the longterm. Fingers crossed.

    There's lads who got roasted finishing cattle last year, any of them that are still feeding cattle this winter are holding on to cattle.

    First reason is replacements are expensive.
    Secondly the boot is on the other foot this year.
    Thirdly they are forcing the factories to clear out their own feedlots.
    And fourthly, some ppl still have merchant bills from last year still to clear so this year's cattle will have to pay 2 lots of bills.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #2764
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Very hard to get a flat price off local factory got 4.1 of a base the big nearly 4 year old was 4+ so 30c off the base was hard to see 4+ on him rest of them were 3's and 4-

    Ah he must of been in good order. He come into 1700? How long did you have him and what he cost?


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    #2765
    mf240
    Registered Users Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭mf240


    Will lads outbid the exporters for calves this year, now that beef is rising.

    If they do we could have a waiting list to get cattle killed in 2017 again.

    Thoughts??


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    #2766
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    mf240 wrote: »
    Will lads outbid the exporters for calves this year, now that beef is rising.

    If they do we could have a waiting list to get cattle killed in 2017 again.

    Thoughts??

    I think the brain boxes will out bid the exporters agen and think they are grate lads with all the cheep calves agen.
    Shoot or export a certen % imo


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    #2767
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Shoot or export a certen % imo

    The brain boxes or the calves? :pac:


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    #2768
    larrymiller
    Registered Users Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭larrymiller


    mf240 wrote: »
    Will lads outbid the exporters for calves this year, now that beef is rising.

    If they do we could have a waiting list to get cattle killed in 2017 again.

    Thoughts??
    That's what I was thinking.
    Would like to see some some sort of contract between dairy lads and exporters. Flat price agreed and then collected straight out of yard.
    But then again to many problems would occur


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    #2769
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    mf240 wrote: »
    Will lads outbid the exporters for calves this year, now that beef is rising.

    If they do we could have a waiting list to get cattle killed in 2017 again.

    Thoughts??

    Well they are saying a lot of dairy lads keeping calves to use up some milk, and they should be coming out in April. If they are too strong then for exporters we will have same problem again in two years I'd say. Please god the exporters will take them. Don't lads have very short memories.


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    #2770
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Think the beef men should do their bit for the dairy men this year (seeing that milk price is heading south) and pay well for sucks. They would do the same :)


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    #2771
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Willfarman wrote: »
    Ah he must of been in good order. He come into 1700? How long did you have him and what he cost?


    Came in with a bunch of bullocks two years ago. He was a June calf and about 17 months at the time around 300kgs. His companions all got slaughtered the following summer they were a mixed bag at two JeX crosses( they were 430ishkgs) and two other good FR9380kgs). They cost less than 500 each dropped in the yard. The jex's were slaughtered the following June and the Fr at the end of the year.

    Would have slaughtered him in June but price was brutal reckon at the time he have struggled to get muckh with3/kg after all penelty and lower bases. He came into 1678 euro. Would have valued him at less than 400 euro at the time I bought him. Did he pay me he was around a long time but some lump of money for him. I find with them sort of cattle you get penalised too much when you rush them out. Luck the weight issue is at bay for a while.


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    #2772
    Nettleman
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    the heifer kill for last year was 56,000 (15%) up on 2013, is this whats driving hot trade in heifers, theres also big prices for incalf heifers. Replacements are going to be expensive for grass only men like AP2014!!!! Have we killed off too many future beef cows??, making replacements expensive-short term gain, long term loss??


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    #2773
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    Nettleman wrote: »
    the heifer kill for last year was 56,000 (15%) up on 2013, is this whats driving hot trade in heifers, theres also big prices for incalf heifers. Replacements are going to be expensive for grass only men like AP2014!!!!

    They were ridiculous expensive last spring relative to what the factories were at so twont be any harder find a margin.


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    #2774
    primary 2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    was talking to an agent from dawn last night 4 10 steers 4 20 heifers, age not a factor,he said no reason why they wont stay rising for the few weeks


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    #2775
    AP2014
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    Nettleman wrote: »
    the heifer kill for last year was 56,000 (15%) up on 2013, is this whats driving hot trade in heifers, theres also big prices for incalf heifers. Replacements are going to be expensive for grass only men like AP2014!!!! Have we killed off too many future beef cows??, making replacements expensive-short term gain, long term loss??

    I might have to buy in earlier than usual to avoid the inevitable bubble. Have a feeling with the mild winter we had it could be a dodgy Feb/Mar. Could be a disaster for pneumonia which I don't vaccinate for. May pay to buy early and vaccinate for it this year though.

    If I have to pay over the odds I will cut back on numbers and sell some more bales. Lads looking for silage already, increased prices seems to be creating abit of a buzz. Although stores were a great trade last year and with reduced numbers hopefully they will hold up this year as well.


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    #2776
    ellewood
    Registered Users Posts: 950 ✭✭✭ellewood


    AP2014 wrote: »
    I might have to buy in earlier than usual to avoid the inevitable bubble. Have a feeling with the mild winter we had it could be a dodgy Feb/Mar. Could be a disaster for pneumonia which I don't vaccinate for. May pay to buy early and vaccinate for it this year though.

    If I have to pay over the odds I will cut back on numbers and sell some more bales. Lads looking for silage already, increased prices seems to be creating abit of a buzz. Although stores were a great trade last year and with reduced numbers hopefully they will hold up this year as well.

    What part of the country are u in ?

    Silage very hard to sell around here at the moment!

    Also local Dawn agent was telling neighbour yesterday that cattle will be sub 3.80 base next Autum:rolleyes:


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    #2777
    AP2014
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭AP2014


    ellewood wrote: »
    What part of the country are u in ?

    Silage very hard to sell around here at the moment!

    Also local Dawn agent was telling neighbour yesterday that cattle will be sub 3.80 base next Autum:rolleyes:

    Out west, he wasn't looking for it now but to take it in the summer time. Regular customer may not be taken it this year as he has his place sorted out, reseeding etc. So good to have a new guy, he took some last year signed a cheque that week.

    They were 3.80 last November and stores where a great trade. :rolleyes: So hard to tell.


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    #2778
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    primary 2 wrote: »
    what base price are slaney giving for steers could you find out and do they penalise overage cattle?have some hex to go myself

    was talking to him earlier , he didn't know says he always sells flat,

    he hasn't the kill sheets yet, but got some weights, he had a couple of bullocks that made over €1800, expects the double to average over 1500,

    they paid him well by not finishing off grass last November


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    #2779
    primary 2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    orm0nd wrote: »
    was talking to him earlier , he didn't know says he always sells flat,

    he hasn't the kill sheets yet, but got some weights, he had a couple of bullocks that made over €1800, expects the double to average over 1500,

    they paid him well by not finishing off grass last November

    he did very well by holding on to them so


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    #2780
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    orm0nd wrote: »
    was talking to him earlier , he didn't know says he always sells flat,

    he hasn't the kill sheets yet, but got some weights, he had a couple of bullocks that made over €1800, expects the double to average over 1500,

    they paid him well by not finishing off grass last November

    In general lads that held forward cattle and selling finished now are doing well. The base is up 50c/kg and more for over 30 month cattle. Most of these type of cattle would be killing well over 350kgs so on weight along it would be 175 euro. If you gained a unit on the grid it is 6/kg or over 20 euro. Some may have lost QA at 12c/kg however weight gain would cover most of your even with Friesians.

    The real losers are the lads that threw in young cattle last November under finished. Heard of lads that got 7-900 euro for storish cattle that if fed might be making 1300 now.


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    #2781
    simx
    Registered Users Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭simx


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    In general lads that held forward cattle and selling finished now are doing well. The base is up 50c/kg and more for over 30 month cattle. Most of these type of cattle would be killing well over 350kgs so on weight along it would be 175 euro. If you gained a unit on the grid it is 6/kg or over 20 euro. Some may have lost QA at 12c/kg however weight gain would cover most of your even with Friesians.

    The real losers are the lads that threw in young cattle last November under finished. Heard of lads that got 7-900 euro for storish cattle that if fed might be making 1300 now.

    700-900? That's sick money for store bullocks etc. I had a cow on load in December only come into 760 and I was disgusted, I reckon she may have been in calf as she wasn't a small cow


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    #2782
    Duke92
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Duke92


    Anyone hear anything about cattle for next week
    The €4:25 seems to have dried up and talks of a pull for next week.


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    #2783
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    simx wrote: »
    700-900? That's sick money for store bullocks etc. I had a cow on load in December only come into 760 and I was disgusted, I reckon she may have been in calf as she wasn't a small cow

    If you kill under finished cattle off grass that have not been fed they can slip into FS2- processors really hit these cattle hard. They will also fail to grade maybe back 2 points on grid off normal grading. Heard of a lad that killed a very storish friesian and only got the lower number ans similar with a lad with a poorly fleshed heifer.


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    #2784
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    The factories wouldn't be long schooling a lad on grading that's for sure:)


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    #2785
    primary 2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    i was just looking at the factory prices on the ifa website,would these be the common prices or would they be more on the dear side of things?


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    #2786
    royaler83
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭royaler83


    primary 2 wrote: »
    i was just looking at the factory prices on the ifa website,would these be the common prices or would they be more on the dear side of things?

    They're always on the higher end of the scale imo


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    #2787
    DMAXMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭DMAXMAN


    Duke92 wrote: »
    Anyone hear anything about cattle for next week
    The €4:25 seems to have dried up and talks of a pull for next week.
    that was always a great stunt by factories when cattle seemed to be drying up. pull price a little and everyone gets scared that the turn has come and they wont stop going down


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    #2788
    primary 2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    got a quote of 4 15 for overage steers,a neighbour sent heifers yesterday got 4 30, they were in spec though


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    #2789
    Duke92
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Duke92


    Where was the €4.30 for the heifers.


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    #2790
    primary 2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 247 ✭✭primary 2


    Duke92 wrote: »
    Where was the €4.30 for the heifers.

    not sure,the agent he dealt with buys for a few places,he sent steers and heifers and best he could get was 4 15 for the steers but he done well with the heifers he said he got 4 30,if i meet him in the next few days i will ask him and let you know,i think they went to the midlands though


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    #2791
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    primary 2 wrote: »
    not sure,the agent he dealt with buys for a few places,he sent steers and heifers and best he could get was 4 15 for the steers but he done well with the heifers he said he got 4 30,if i meet him in the next few days i will ask him and let you know,i think they went to the midlands though

    What were you getting locally? How far did they travel and how far would it be locally. What was transport cost and how much love locally


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