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More Crap on Adams, Mod Warning in OP.

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  • 17-10-2014 10:01am
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    gunny558
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    Ok I live under a rock. I know. Ive only just read this morning about Maíria Cahill and how she was raped. And for anyone else living under that rock, basically Mairia says there was an IRA investigation into the rape during which Adams told her that abusers can be so manipulative that sometimes the victims enjoy it. Of course, Adams denies this whole thing happened.

    Im not rubbishing her particular case or any other particular allegations from other people. But I sometimes wonder, Gerry Adams seems to be plagued by so much crap (even his own brother was accused of rape :rolleyes: )........ was he really that bad?

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    BoJack Horseman
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    Great set of gnashers though.


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    Sunnyisland
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Great set of gnashers though.

    There shergars...


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    Winty
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    Do you trust Mr Adams?
    He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
    The man is a lier pure and simple


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    Creative Juices
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    I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same! ;)


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    VinLieger
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    Creative Juices wrote: »
    I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same! ;)

    Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote


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    Skid X
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    But I sometimes wonder, Gerry Adams seems to be plagued by so much crap (even his own brother was accused of rape :rolleyes: )........ was he really that bad?

    His Brother was convicted of Rape. Of his own Daughter.

    Are you insinuating that the conviction was part of a conspiracy to blacken the flawless reputation of Saint Gerry :rolleyes:


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    gunny558
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    Winty wrote: »
    Do you trust Mr Adams?
    He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
    The man is a lier pure and simple

    Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    they were psychopathic murderers why are people surprised that they were raping kids as well?


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    gunny558
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    Skid X wrote: »
    His Brother was convicted of Rape. Of his own Daughter.

    Are you insinuating that the conviction was part of a conspiracy to blacken the flawless reputation of Saint Gerry :rolleyes:

    No that rape was fair enough... But I remember back in the early 90's there was rumours going around about a second rape..... but I never saw anyone come forward with proof thats what I was getting at.


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    Creative Juices
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote

    I never said that was my only reason but I will not vote for FG/Lab/FF for several other reasons. The question is would SF put their money where their mouth is.


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    Jawgap
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.

    Indeed, given his 'experience' and our penchant for combining Justice and Defence - he could serve as a minister who covers both portfolios.

    It seems he has experience with administering courts ;)

    ......and Óglaigh na hÉireann :D


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    take everything
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    Adams has been a liability for SF for the past while. He has no credibility


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    [Deleted User]
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    Moved from AH. Please read the Politics forum charter before posting.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056544373


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    Barely There
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    No that rape was fair enough...

    WTF!?


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    Winty
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    Well he cant hardly admit to that now can he. He could end up losing his position to be replaced by someone else. How many people in SF would have the experience that he does.


    Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin


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    gunny558
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    Barely There wrote: »
    WTF!?


    Dont start. Ya know what I meant.


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    gunny558
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    Winty wrote: »
    Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin

    And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?


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    diomed
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    Ok I live under a rock. I know. Ive only just read this morning about Maíria Cahill and how she was raped by her grandfather who was a top IRA man.
    Her grand-uncle, Provisional IRA founder Joe Cahill, was not the man who allegedly raped her.


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    Banjo String
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    Winty wrote: »
    Martin McGuinness has told the world the truth and he has the top job in N. Ireland so why can Mr Adams the man who put the nail in Jean's coffin

    Didn't I read somewhere that he was arrested, questioned, and released without charge on that very issue.

    It was round abut the time that the local elections were upon us too.


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    Winty
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    Didn't I read somewhere that he was arrested, questioned, and released without charge on that very issue.

    Correct, its hard for the PSNI to make a case 30 years old without the help of members of the public who have not forgot what Adams can do if you cross him.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?

    Do you actually think he will be the next Taoiseach?


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    Winty
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    gunny558 wrote: »
    And do you honestly think if Adams came out tonight on televsision and admitted he was in the IRA/army councel that he'd be the next Taoiseach?

    Worked for Martin why not Gerry


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    realweirdo
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    Creative Juices wrote: »
    I actually would strongly consider voting SF #1 in 2016 for the first time ever. I would be very curious whether how they would handle power. However I will not vote for SF while Adams is leader. I like Mary Lou and Doherty but Adams is completely and utterly trustworthy. Most men with beards are the same! ;)

    You're joking here right? Can never tell with you.

    Sinn Fein are Sinn Fein. Many of them have murky pasts one way or another...while the newer generation still support Adams to the hilt. He aint going anywhere soon. They see politics as the continuation of a struggle by other means. Their populism might fool some.


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    Banjo String
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    Winty wrote: »
    Correct, its hard for the PSNI to make a case 30 years old without the help of members of the public who have not forgot what Adams can do if you cross him.

    So it was a complete waste of time even arresting him?

    (in the mouth of local elections)


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    walshb
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    diomed wrote: »
    Her grand-uncle, Provisional IRA founder Joe Cahill, was not the man who allegedly raped her.

    I was thinking this. That initial post needs to be edited or removed pronto!


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    FTA69
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Voting them in out due to pure curiosity is a ridiculous attitude to take with your vote

    It's no more ridiculous than many of the reasons given by people who vote in Irish elections i.e. 'I'm voting Fine Gael because my family always voted for them'.

    To be honest about it Adams has told so many lies over the past few years I'm waiting for the moment when he categorically denies even being Gerry Adams. Luckily for him, all scandal dissipates eventually. The stuff about his niece was actually cringe-worthy such was the implausibility of his statements; like denying he knew that his paedophile brother was in Sinn Féin despite the fact he was running for the party officer board in Louth, one of the most important constituencies for SF and the place he is now TD for. Similarly he also denied that he knew Liam Adams was working in a youth centre in Beechmount in West Belfast; as if Gerry Adams' brother would go unnoticed ten minutes from SF's head office in an area where the Provos know everybody and everything.


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    walshb
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    It's no more ridiculous than many of the reasons given by people who vote in Irish elections i.e. 'I'm voting Fine Gael because my family always voted for them'.

    To be honest about it Adams has told so many lies over the past few years I'm waiting for the moment when he categorically denies even being Gerry Adams. Luckily for him, all scandal dissipates eventually. The stuff about his niece was actually cringe-worthy such was the implausibility of his statements; like denying he knew that his paedophile brother was in Sinn Féin despite the fact he was running for the party officer board in Louth, one of the most important constituencies for SF and the place he is now TD for. Similarly he also denied that he knew Liam Adams was working in a youth centre in Beechmount in West Belfast; as if Gerry Adams' brother would go unnoticed ten minutes from SF's head office in an area where the Provos know everybody and everything.

    This is why I would believe this lady in this particular instance. I see no reason for her to target him with a lie.


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    Henlars67
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    Winty wrote: »
    Do you trust Mr Adams?
    He is the only person on the planet who thinks he was not in the IRA.
    The man is a lier pure and simple

    The Gardaí, RUC, British Army MI5 etc were all trying like crazy to prove he was a member of the IRA, and not one could produce any evidence which would stand up in court.

    Everyone on the planet thinking he was in the IRA doesn't prove him a liar.


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    FTA69
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    Henlars67 wrote: »
    The Gardaí, RUC, British Army MI5 etc were all trying like crazy to prove he was a member of the IRA, and not one could produce any evidence which would stand up in court.

    Everyone on the planet thinking he was in the IRA doesn't prove him a liar.

    Spot on. It was never publically proven he was in the IRA, but you'd be a fool to believe that he wasn't.


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    Henlars67
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Spot on. It was never publically proven he was in the IRA, but you'd be a fool to believe that he wasn't.


    I really couldn't care less whether he was or wasn't, and consider it to be irrelevant.

    However, a lot of people seem to think that all republicans of a certain age were all members of the IRA, however several stayed entirely on the political side of the struggle; Current TD's O' Caoláin and Colreavy being examples.


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