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I assume you're trying to say there is some disconnect between what you're eating and what you think it actually is. Irish meat is probably among the most traceable in the world. Buy Irish and no such disconnect exists. Obviously, if you're going to take junk options then the bit of horse will probably be the most wholesome part of your meal.
No I mean the disconnect between an animal and a package of meat from a supermarket or butcher. A lot of people balk at things like feet or eyes left on the meat or fish, or really dislike seeing pig's heads in a butcher because it's gross, or would never eat something with a more obviously biological name like kidneys or heart, but a package of meat is fine. That's the disconnect I mean.Of course. Thankfully they are massively outnumbered by the majority who care about animals and like eating meat. One does not exclude the other.
One doesn't exclude the other at all, but you care about certain animals or certain things relating to those animals less than you like eating meat.Eating meat is no more selfish than wearing shoes or sleeping indoors.
Except if you wear shoes or sleep outdoors it'll negatively impact your health, not eating meat won't. I'd say a more accurate comparison is that not eating meat is no more selfish than not donating some of your disposable income to charity - I don't like the thought of people suffering in poverty, but I prioritize
my own pleasure over that. It doesn't mean that I call people who do donate money to charity hypocrites because they're not living in shanty towns in Calcutta, nor does it mean I take their personal decision to donate money to charity as some kind of criticism of my own choices
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Amani Nice Hatchet wrote: »No I mean the disconnect between an animal and a package of meat from a supermarket or butcher. A lot of people balk at things like feet or eyes left on the meat or fish, or really dislike seeing pig's heads in a butcher because it's gross, or would never eat something with a more obviously biological name like kidneys or heart, but a package of meat is fine. That's the disconnect I mean.
True. That disconnect exists almost exclusively among urbanites and gives rise to some fairly ignorant, self-righteous attitudes towards the treatment of animals.but you care about certain animals or certain things relating to those animals less than you like eating meat
That isn't true in my case, I doubt it's true in the majority of cases and it's a fairly sweeping judgement to make. For instance, I know dozens of country vets. Not one is a vegetarian. But any one of them, or I, would be sickened by any form of cruelty inflicted on a food animal and would do everything in our power to prevent it, stop it and/or bring those responsible to book. But we all happily eat meat. Not because we lack something (ie. care) but because we possess something (ie. understanding).
We care about food animals at least as much as you or anyone else we just realise and understand what they are for and what exactly goes into their rearing and slaughterExcept if you wear shoes or sleep outdoors it'll negatively impact your health, not eating meat won't. I'd say a more accurate comparison is that not eating meat is no more selfish than not donating some of your disposable income to charity - I don't like the thought of people suffering in poverty, but I prioritize
my own pleasure over that. It doesn't mean that I call people who do donate money to charity hypocrites because they're not living in shanty towns in Calcutta, nor does it mean I take their personal decision to donate money to charity as some kind of criticism of my own choices
Ok then, I'll give two other examples. Cosmetics and soap. Forgoing either will not negatively impact your health. Everyone who uses lipstick or likes to wash well is inherently selfish by choosing to do so?
Don't compare altruism to vegetarianism. I know you like to think that your vegetarianism puts you on a type of moral high ground that the correct form of altruism might, but it simply doesn't.
I don't take your vegetarianism as a criticism of my own choices, I take the criticism by you of meat eaters in this thread as a criticism of my choices. You've judged meat eaters as selfish and judged that we all care about animals less than we do about eating meat (and, therefore, we care about animals less than you do).
You've been judgmental. Which is ironic, because earlier in the thread you loftily declared that one of the things vegetarianism taught you was to be non-judgmental. A statement as nonsensical as me claiming that a gluten free diet cured my racism.0 -
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