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Malaysia Airlines plane shot down in Ukraine near Russian border[Mod warning post#193

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    #122
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭cml387


    Russia Today, (in a rather hysterical on the ground report) are saying that Ukraine closed the airspace around Donetsk and that the aircraft should not have been there.

    I find this impossible to believe?


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    #123
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Terrible incident, even without the possibility of it being shot down.

    R.I.P. to all those who have perished.

    Maybe the Malaysian livery having the Russian colours might have been a factor. Just hearing it is a rebel controlled area and crash investigators might not get full access.


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    #124
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    cml387 wrote: »
    Russia Today, (in a rather hysterical on the ground report) are saying that Ukraine closed the airspace around Donetsk and that the aircraft should not have been there.

    I find this impossible to believe?

    Media reports saying the US told it's airlines not to fly over the area.

    Saw the pictures on twitter. While it hasn't directly impacted me, I can't help but feel sick in my stomach and upset at the people who lost their lives today. Caught completely unaware mid-air. Heartbeaking.

    May they Rest in Peace. God rest their soul and look after their families.


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    #125
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Mod note: The twitter link below contains extremely graphic pictures, do not click on the link if you're expecting pics of broken fuselage etc. https://twitter.com/MatevzNovak

    Many pictures on that twitter account

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    #126
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    RT is not to be believed at the best of times.

    RIP to those on board and condolences to families and friends. I guess that this will be the end for MH, the corporate raiders on the stock exchange will bury them.


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    #127
    popepaisley1
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭popepaisley1


    no i was not aware of this. were they going to take over the school and shoot all the kids? is that what you are saying? is this a fact or are you just jumping to some crazy conclusion?

    the only thing i am aware of is that 4 palestinian kids were murdered on a beach yesterday
    thebannerboy wrote: »
    Are you aware that 14 armed members of Hamas were arrested in Israel this morning one mile from a kids school? They had tunnelled under the border overnight.


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    #128
    Lapin
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    fr336 wrote: »
    I'm worried about what Obama might say if there were US citizens on board! If it was Bush they'd have Russia surrounded already. Bad times...

    No they wouldn't.

    The Jim Corrisms that emerge within an hour of something like this happening really are astonishing.

    Obviously what happened today a huge incident of international signifigance, but it's never going to result in a US assault on Russia regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

    Keep some perspective here.


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    #129
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Dublin Red Devil wrote: »
    Why shoot it down though? It was going from Amsterdam to Malaysia. What has that got to do with Russia/Ukraine. And why was it flying low enough to even make a shoot down possible.

    Why? Fog of war or a screw up.

    33k is a normal altitude and well within the Buk's range/altitude capabilities.


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    #130
    _Puma_
    Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    Had something come up on my twitter feed that I don't want to see again, it has actually made me sick to my stomach just sitting here...RIP


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    #131
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Lapin wrote: »
    No they wouldn't.

    The Jim Corrisms that emerge within an hour of something like this happening really are astonishing.

    USA good...Russia evil...with you now! :)


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    #132
    Stinicker
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    I'm just cold now looking at the images. At Amsterdam on Wednesday I observed the crew getting heavily security checked but they were in good spirits and had positive body language, their was an aura of despair in KL when I arrived there This morning however.

    Rip to MH370 and MH17 and all those lost souls


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    #133
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    I dunno if I like these pictures of parts of the plane being posted online, it's a damn graveyard FFS.

    Some sicko people, maybe its just me that doesn't like it but I think if anyone has a brain they might realise that it's innappropriate


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    #134
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    All the aviation experts are out on Sky News I see, apparently we'll never know what happened - Just 3 hrs 40 minutes after the accident. Who are these morons.


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    #135
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    popepaisley1 wrote: »
    no i was not aware of this. were they going to take over the school and shoot all the kids? is that what you are saying? is this a fact or are you just jumping to some crazy conclusion?

    the only thing i am aware of is that 4 palestinian kids were murdered on a beach yesterday

    :confused:


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    #136
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm just cold now looking at the images. At Amsterdam on Wednesday I observed the crew getting heavily security checked but they were in good spirits and had positive body language, their was an aura of despair in KL when I arrived there This morning however.

    Rip to MH370 and MH17 and all those lost souls

    Jesus christ just seen your post. Thank god you are ok, did you miss the flight?


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    #137
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm just cold now looking at the images. At Amsterdam on Wednesday I observed the crew getting heavily security checked but they were in good spirits and had positive body language, their was an aura of despair in KL when I arrived there This morning however.

    Rip to MH370 and MH17 and all those lost souls

    You side stepped a big one there man, good to have you with us


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    #138
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Does anyone have a live tracker site that covers this area?


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    #139
    Penny Tration
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    Stinicker, upset as you are, take comfort that following your gut saved your life. Never forget to trust your gut at all times. Take care of yourself, mate.


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    #140
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Lufthansa confirms it will be avoiding the region


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    #141
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Jesus christ just seen your post. Thank god you are ok, did you miss the flight?

    As he said in his post he paid extra quids to go a day earlier. He is now in the Phillippines if I'm not mistaken


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    #142
    Andy-Pandy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    If it was flying at 33000 it must take some serious weaponry to take it out. RIP


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    #143
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Jesus christ just seen your post. Thank god you are ok, did you miss the flight?

    He was supposed to on today's flight but changed it to Wednesday(yesterday). He's in the Phillipines now.


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    #144
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    green_screen wrote: »
    Stinicker, upset as you are, take comfort that following your gut saved your life. Never forget to trust your gut at all times. Take care of yourself, mate.

    Ain't this the truth. Never ever "Ah it'll be ok" or influenced by others.


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    #145
    Wibbs
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm devastated, this was me except something made me pay a few more euros to go for Wednesdays flight instead of Thursdays. I never had such a close call with death, I was trembling at AMS before boarding and the gate agent even asked me if I was ok.
    Your story has hit home for me. You really never know. I'm so glad you're OK. No doubt you're very shaken but I hope you get some peace from talking to relatives and friends.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #146
    FHB
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭FHB


    Although I haven't seen them myself, I've heard about some of the pictures online now. This type of stuff really annoys me. Do some people just not have any respect for the dead or their families?

    Just thinking about how these people just this morning were going about their lives like anyone else here. Now there are these types of photos of them on the internet. It sickens me.


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    #147
    TheQueen
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I'm devastated, this was me except something made me pay a few more euros to go for Wednesdays flight instead of Thursdays. I never had such a close call with death, I was trembling at AMS before boarding and the gate agent even asked me if I was ok.

    Have you spoken to your family? You must be very shook up.


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    #148
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    FHB wrote: »
    Although I haven't seen them myself, I've heard about some of the pictures online now. This type of stuff really annoys me. Do some people just not have any respect for the dead or their families?

    Just thinking about how these people just this morning were going about their lives like anyone else here. Now there are these types of photos of them on the internet. It sickens me.

    Too many people lead nothing lives and think we're all part of one big society together...individuals don't matter in a media obsessed world.


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    #149
    GottaGetGatt
    Registered Users Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭GottaGetGatt


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Doubt they'll say / do much - everyone will be 'happy' to embrace the separatist story.......


    From the Voice of Russia (29 June)

    Donetsk militia takes control of Ukrainian anti-air installation

    The self-defense forces of Donetsk People’s Republic seized control of a Ukrainian anti-air military installation, RIA Novosti reports.

    Proof that it was Militia so


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    #150
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Ok after seeing crash site pictures I see why they aren't showing footage in the news .


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    #151
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Air France have confirmed they will be avoiding the airspace


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