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Speed camera mega-thread ***Read first post before posting***

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    #2972
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    jerryqu wrote: »
    I was driving a HGV east on the N73 out of Mitchelstown when i passed a gosafe van which was cleverly masked until the last minute by an overhanging tree.
    Because of the long down slope I had inadvertently coasted up to 90Kph - 10 Kph over the HGVs ordinary speed limit of 80kph.
    My question is can the gosafe equipment automatically tell the difference between cars and lorries or does the MK I eyeball inside need to manually snap HGVs as they pass by the van?
    - I can hardly sleep wondering..

    The system inside the van can auto recognize hgv's by their length.

    If a vehicle passes over the speed limit and the system determines that it is over x metres in lenght, it is classed as a hgv or car with trailer, both which have lower speed limits.


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    #2973
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    pa990 wrote: »
    The system inside the van can auto recognize hgv's by their length.

    If a vehicle passes over the speed limit and the system determines that it is over x metres in lenght, it is classed as a hgv or car with trailer, both which have lower speed limits.

    Are you for real???

    What about limousines?


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    #2974
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    pa990 wrote: »
    The system inside the van can auto recognize hgv's by their length.

    If a vehicle passes over the speed limit and the system determines that it is over x metres in lenght, it is classed as a hgv or car with trailer, both which have lower speed limits.
    Usual rubbish from the pro camera mob.


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    #2975
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Or the pro-rubbish mob, perhaps.

    I presume a limousine is easily recognisable, because of the Hen Party/Junior Cert/Holy Communion gang shrieking out of its windows...


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    #2976
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Or the pro-rubbish mob, perhaps.

    I presume a limousine is easily recognisable, because of the Hen Party/Junior Cert/Holy Communion gang shrieking out of its windows...

    What about busses then?
    On some roads they have different limits than trucks.

    Also minibuses might be exactly the same size as vans, but different speed limits apply.


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    #2977
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    Truck we have at work is a HGV and is slightly shorter than a large LWB van, how does that work ?


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    #2978
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The operator makes the decision to enforce. It is then up to you to fight city hall.


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    #2979
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Supergurrier wrote: »
    Truck we have at work is a HGV and is slightly shorter than a large LWB van, how does that work ?

    Simple.. It doesn't work on vehicle length.

    Number plate database has vehicle type in it, I assume.


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    #2980
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    CiniO wrote: »
    Simple.. It doesn't work on vehicle length.

    Number plate database has vehicle type in it, I assume.

    Ofc and i know it works on mass not length hence the question :p


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    #2981
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Supergurrier wrote: »
    Ofc and i know it works on mass not length hence the question :p

    What works on mass?


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    #2982
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    I see the Gardai have a new purpose built lay by on the N1,just before Whitehall Church.

    Road goes from 60kph to 50kph.


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    #2983
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    pa990 wrote: »
    really.

    Here's what the MultaNova C user manual says, its the same for the AGD340



    @Our Man In Havana.. maybe you should find out how these operate before you bash someone who knows the facts, and not bits of info gleamed from various websites.
    Length has nowt to do with speed limits. It is weight.

    Also your post is borderline abusive. First and only warning.


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    #2984
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Does anyone know where you can get a speed camera calibration cert for the garda speed camera vans???


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    #2985
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Does anyone know where you can get a speed camera calibration cert for the garda speed camera vans???

    you can make a garry doyle order in court, but there is no legal requirement for them to be calibrated or for them to be proved accurate


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    #2986
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    pa990 wrote: »
    you can make a garry doyle order in court, but there is no legal requirement for them to be calibrated or for them to be proved accurate


    Why??

    Surely they have to be tested and calibrated on a regular basis??


    The garda fines office in tipperary advize you on the phone to ask for a copy of the speed camera calibration cert when in court.


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    #2987
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    This is Ireland and the Gardaí are never wrong.


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    #2988
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Why??

    Surely they have to be tested and calibrated on a regular basis??


    The garda fines office in tipperary advize you on the phone to ask for a copy of the speed camera calibration cert when in court.

    they are all kept calibrated, and reminders are sent from teletraffic when a device is due a calibration.

    There is a Statuary Instrument that states that the state does not have to prove the accuracy of the device (i cant find it right now)


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    #2989
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The defendant can call the accuracy into question and get the certs thru a Gary Doyle order.


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    #2990
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    pa990 wrote: »
    they are all kept calibrated, and reminders are sent from teletraffic when a device is due a calibration.

    There is a Statuary Instrument that states that the state does not have to prove the accuracy of the device (i cant find it right now)


    So a person has no right to ask for the calibration cert in court,and the gardai/judge can basicly say Fcuk off aswell???

    Surely if a machine needs to be calibrated then there is a legal obligation to provide proof of calibration,if the person caught speeding requests it in court??


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    #2991
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The state don't have to show it as proof in their case. Something the superior courts have not ruled on yet.

    There is nothing stopping a defendant from asking for a Gary Doyle on the cert. A judge is highly unlikely to refuse it.
    http://www.dppireland.ie/filestore/documents/Chapter_9_Disclosure.htm


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    #2992
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    Here's the legal bit

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0105.html


    (b) the onus of establishing that speed prima facie may be discharged by tendering evidence of indications from which that speed can be inferred which were given by a watch or electronic or other apparatus, and it shall not be necessary to prove that the watch or electronic or other apparatus was accurate or in good working order.


    unfair .. but true


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    #2993
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Can I ask about the Legal placement of a garda speed detection camera van and it being parked "up and in on a grass verge" by a dual carriageway??

    Red arrow where theres a grass verge and a solid yellow line.

    Would that be classed as illegal parking??


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    #2994
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    It don't matter as the agents of the state are exempt from parking laws whilst executing their duties.


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    #2995
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    It don't matter as the agents of the state are exempt from parking laws whilst executing their duties.


    Even if it means hiding behind a wall too,I suppose?:rolleyes:

    Saving lives me hole...entrapment more like.


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    #2996
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Even if it means hiding behind a wall too,I suppose?:rolleyes:

    Saving lives me hole...entrapment more like.

    entrap |enˈtrap|
    verb ( -trapped , -trapping ) [ trans. ]
    catch (someone or something) in or as in a trap : she was entrapped by family expectations.
    • trick or deceive (someone), esp. by inducing them to commit a crime in order to secure their prosecution.
    DERIVATIVES
    entrapment noun
    entrapper noun
    ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from Old French entraper, from en- ‘in’ + trappe ‘a trap.’


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    #2997
    mb1725
    Registered Users Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭mb1725


    Looks like removable magnetic signs on that van.

    svan.jpg


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    #2998
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Yep. They have a few vans like that. Most of the time they operate totally unmarked.


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    #2999
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    paddy147 wrote: »
    I see the Gardai have a new purpose built lay by on the N1,just before Whitehall Church.

    Road goes from 60kph to 50kph.



    50 km/h is an appropriate speed limit, as far as I can see. Apart from the entrance to the church itself, there's also a bus lane, a pedestrian crossing in the vicinity, and a busy junction further on.

    There may also have been a fatal crash in that area a while back, but I can't find any record of it.


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    #3000
    pa990
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭pa990


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    50 km/h is an appropriate speed limit, as far as I can see. Apart from the entrance to the church itself, there's also a bus lane, a pedestrian crossing in the vicinity, and a busy junction further on.

    There may also have been a fatal crash in that area a while back, but I can't find any record of it.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/legal/truck-accidents/two-people-die-in-road-accident/
    Wednesday, October 3, 2012


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    #3001
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    pa990 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/legal/truck-accidents/two-people-die-in-road-accident/
    Wednesday, October 3, 2012


    That new garda speed van lay by has been there for around 1 month now (beginning of September).

    There was a technical issue with where they were hiding further up the road behind the wall,where the 80kph zone suddenly drops to 60kph in a matter of yards.

    So they decided to move on down the road and built that lay by instead.


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