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Households must pay for water meters.

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    #332
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »
    As far as I know the government were in talks with Siemens to provide the meters and the system for metering.

    For anyone that's not up to speed on Siemens, they have a history of bribery and corruption...ah sure I suppose that would fit nicely with the Irish Government.

    "Birds of a feather, tend to stick together."


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    #333
    washman3
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    Just listened to the "great" Jim Power on the Pat Kenny morning show.
    The "chief economist with Friends First" is totally in favour or this charge and slammed all those people,especially those in office,who are encouraging others not to pay. :mad:
    Its absolutely stomach churning to hear this guy lecture Irish people on what they should or should'nt do. This is the same guy who coined the phrase "soft landing" during the farce that was the "Celtic Tiger".
    As one of the leading government cheerleaders of the boom,hardly a week went by without the "informed" Jim appeared on SixOne news on RTE1, firstly encouraging people to "get on the ladder" and later when the slowdown began,assuring people that there was no need to panic as what we were seeing was an "adjustment" and a "soft landing" would ensue.!
    How this charleten can still command airtime on our national broadcasting station beggers belief.:mad:
    Of course Pat agreed totally with him, reminding us of how things are done in "other countries". Wonder if Pat's equivalent in these "other countries" are paid €700,000 a year??


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    #334
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    we should hold the gov by the balls... tell them they get a no vote for the referendum on the fiscal treaty if we have to pay for water meters.


    As far as I know, if we need any more bailout packages from the EU, and we give a no to the referendrum we won't be allowed any bailout package.

    Fine by me. I hope Enda and Co will be looking forward to the massive hole developing in their pockets. A no vote will force the fcukers into cutting wastage and living within our means. Will certainly put an end to their bulging pockets.


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    #335
    spanner101
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    Can understand the thinking behind the water metering, but have been looking on line and the meters (Sappel - proposed by Gov) are anywhere from £60 - £237(industrial app) to buy....................so where is the €300+ cost coming from?

    And a good place to start (with the house hold charge) would be to sort oout the old/outdated and leaking existing Mains pipework.


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    #336
    donegal_road
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    washman3 wrote: »
    Just listened to the "great" Jim Power on the Pat Kenny morning show.
    The "chief economist with Friends First" is totally in favour or this charge and slammed all those people,especially those in office,who are encouraging others not to pay. :mad:
    Its absolutely stomach churning to hear this guy lecture Irish people on what they should or should'nt do. This is the same guy who coined the phrase "soft landing" during the farce that was the "Celtic Tiger".
    As one of the leading government cheerleaders of the boom,hardly a week went by without the "informed" Jim appeared on SixOne news on RTE1, firstly encouraging people to "get on the ladder" and later when the slowdown began,assuring people that there was no need to panic as what we were seeing was an "adjustment" and a "soft landing" would ensue.!
    How this charleten can still command airtime on our national broadcasting station beggers belief.:mad:
    Of course Pat agreed totally with him, reminding us of how things are done in "other countries". Wonder if Pat's equivalent in these "other countries" are paid €700,000 a year??

    they are on the payrole of people at the top who are bribed to sell off our country bit by bit, and shame and curses be on him and his ilk.. we could generate free electricity from the 1916 martyrs as they spin in their graves at this stage


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    #337
    Freddie59
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    nacimroc wrote: »
    22 pages of ****e! It will be the same charge for water for everyone. You can install a water meter if you choose at your expense same as the way every other country will do it. If you think you use less, pay for a meter and you get your water cheaper. Simple! Jesus! People are getting obsessed with anything service related these days!

    22 pages of protest - at a Government which has conned the populace - particularly the "Labour" party. This is not like "every other country", where our Public Sector are paid salaries way above the norm. And which the rest of us are asked to pay for, along with the debts of failed, bankrupt business entities which are, inexplicably, still trading.


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    #338
    Freddie59
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    ilovesleep wrote: »
    As far as I know, if we need any more bailout packages from the EU, and we give a no to the referendrum we won't be allowed any bailout package.

    Fine by me. I hope Enda and Co will be looking forward to the massive hole developing in their pockets. A no vote will force the fcukers into cutting wastage and living within our means. Will certainly put an end to their bulging pockets.

    We NEED a No vote. But I fear the Yes mob will win.


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    #339
    joolsveer
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    AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »
    The government were in talks with Siemens to provide the meters and the system for metering.

    For anyone that's not up to speed on Siemens, they have a history of bribery and corruption...ah sure I suppose that would fit nicely with the Irish Government.
    Slave Labor
    The major private firm that used slave labor at Ravensbrück was the Siemens Electric Company, today the second largest electric company in the world. In a separate camp adjoining the main one, Siemens “employed” the women to make electrical components for V-1 and V-2 rockets.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ravensbruck.html


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    #340
    davet82
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    i'm sick not just will they be charging for water but charging €350 euro so they can do it :(

    will they stop peoples water if they dont pay it?

    will people be forced to cutting back on hygiene to save money...

    i think enough is enough now


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    #341
    The Tyre Dude
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭The Tyre Dude


    If I wanted a water a meter I could buy a good one online for €100, why can't the Govt. when buying XXX,000 of them not do better than €350 per unit. Is it because they are not spending their money so value is not a concern? Some things never change.


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    #342
    cocoshovel
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    What are people going to do to try stop this?


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    #343
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    Can someone please explain this to me?

    Are we paying for the meter, or are we paying for the installation only?
    It's like a mobile phone contract. There is no such thing as a free phone, it's paid for in higher charges.

    You would have to pay for the meter, the installation and the water and probably an ever increasing margin if/when it's privatised.


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    #344
    Capt'n Midnight
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    kincsem wrote: »
    I'm a single person living alone. I expect after the water meter is installed, and they find out I don't use as much water as a "normal" household I will be charged a minimum water charge i.e. a charge greater than my actual usage.
    Don't worry about it
    you will be subsidising the foreign meter maker, perhaps it will even be an European company

    and those in the higher tax band who will presumably be able to claim back much of the charges against tax



    Is it true that up to 20% of water leakage happens from the house side of meters ?


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    Capt'n Midnight
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    Min wrote: »
    Water charges makes sense. Making people pay for the meters though is very questionable though.
    water charges sorta make sense until you realise that €300 for a meter represents the cost of supplying several years of water, and that it diverts funds from improving the network.
    Paying for water and hopefully through a dedicated water company will lead to more money being available to replace old pipes and reduce water wastage through leakage.
    Only after the guts of a billion euros are spent installing the meters will you see the up to 15% reduction in demand. - and that's in the UK not here - you can reduce losses by twice this by refurbishing pipes, like was done in Dublin from 1990's onwards.

    Using meters to reduce water usage is a case of diminishing returns. most people won't use much less water so in effect it will be an inelastic tax like fuel / motor tax.

    As I've said earlier education and chasing down the water wasters from the street meters would save hundreds of millions of euros for the rest of us.


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    #346
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Weathercheck wrote: »
    Poor old FG+LAB

    They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.
    Just because it happened all the other times doesn't mean it will happen again, actually it will.

    FF will try to sell the country to buy the next election, and idiots will listen to then :(

    compare Republican / Democrat spending models.


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    #347
    ThinkAboutIt
    Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭ThinkAboutIt


    Another thread full of tax dodgers.
    I'm looking forward to people having to pay for water. There'll be no waste now lads that's for sure.


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    #348
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread already....isn't it the case that any house built in the last 3/4/5 years will already have a water meter?


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    #349
    JohnMarston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭JohnMarston


    So households have to pay for meters just to be able to be charged more money?

    Genius!


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    #350
    Ghost Buster
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    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    Another thread full of tax dodgers.
    I'm looking forward to people having to pay for water. There'll be no waste now lads that's for sure.
    Paying for a metre is not a form of tax. We already pay for water and having metres will not make the councills fix leaks so of course there will still be enormous waste.
    3 mistakes in 3 sentences.


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    #351
    Wurly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Wurly


    A question to the people who paid the household charge... Now that you realise that the household charge is NOT going towards local services, do you now regret paying?


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    #352
    Silverado
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Silverado


    If I have to pay for my water meter that means I own it. That also means that I can take it off and on as I wish. Then that means that if I can take it off they won't a true reading. In fact if they use the usual method of cut off for the non payers the meter gets removed - but they can't do this because then they are then stealing my meter.

    From the Govt. point of view the suggestion is ludicrous. We, the users, cannot own the metres because the system would be unworkable.


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    #353
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    The Tyre Dude wrote: »
    If I wanted a water a meter I could buy a good one online for €100, why can't the Govt. when buying XXX,000 of them not do better than €350 per unit. Is it because they are not spending their money so value is not a concern? Some things never change.
    I suspect they are playing an old trick. You put out a rumour that the cost is something excessive. Then you publish the actual cost which is much less than the initial rumoured amount and lots of people think the're getting a bargin. :pac:


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    ToddyDoody
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    Will have to get the toilet fixed.. It flushes spontaneously


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    #355
    Cantona's Collars
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    I've installed water pipes and it's gas what waste is involved when you look at private companies vs local authorities.If we had a leak or connection problem it'd be fixed as a matter of urgency in the fastest possible time.The local authority guys took all day to fix a leak,the same job would have taken us roughly an hour from start to finish.
    When millions of litres of water is being wasted every day through leaks it's hard to swallow the pill of paying for a device that's sole purpose is to cost us even more money.


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    #356
    sh1tstirrer
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    Wurly wrote: »
    A question to the people who paid the household charge... Now that you realise that the household charge is NOT going towards local services, do you now regret paying?
    Will you regret not paying on time when you will have to pay extra through penalties, interest and fines?


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    #357
    tfitzgerald
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    lugha wrote: »
    I suspect they are playing an old trick. You put out a rumour that the cost is something excessive. Then you publish the actual cost which is much less than the initial rumoured amount and lots of people think the're getting a bargin. :pac:

    This is spot on . When people get a bill for €200 euro they will think it could have being a lot worse .


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    #358
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    Another thread full of tax dodgers.
    I'm looking forward to people having to pay for water. There'll be no waste now lads that's for sure.

    You're obviously a WUM. The only way to stop waste is to:

    * Fix the leaks in the pipes.

    * Reduce PS numbers and salaries to European norms.

    That would be a good start.


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    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    zerks wrote: »
    I've installed water pipes and it's gas what waste is involved when you look at private companies vs local authorities.If we had a leak or connection problem it'd be fixed as a matter of urgency in the fastest possible time.The local authority guys took all day to fix a leak,the same job would have taken us roughly an hour from start to finish.
    When millions of litres of water is being wasted every day through leaks it's hard to swallow the pill of paying for a device that's sole purpose is to cost us even more money.

    PS efficiencies at their best Zerks.;)


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    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Just because it happened all the other times doesn't mean it will happen again, actually it will.

    FF will try to sell the country to buy the next election, and idiots will listen to then :(

    compare Republican / Democrat spending models.

    FF MIGHT be voted in with the Shinners. But they will be the smaller of the two. People will not forgive or forget. And that goes for the "socialist" "Labour" Party as well.

    Happy was tied up in knots on RTE last night. Have a look at 18:42 on this link:

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1145149


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    #361
    Dr.Silly
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    Wurly wrote: »
    A question to the people who paid the household charge... Now that you realise that the household charge is NOT going towards local services, do you now regret paying?

    I don't regret paying it.

    You will regret it however, when you pay the penalties/charges.


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