The Avengers (2012) spoilers from post 1181

Trippie · 15-02-2012 11:21pm

With the second and third films confirmed is it a possibility that they go down the "civil war" route. can set it up at the end of this one with the invasion then play out the registration in the upcoming individual films and have the epic battles between heroes in the next avengers

norrie rugger · 16-02-2012 1:16am

Trippie wrote: »

With the second and third films confirmed is it a possibility that they go down the "civil war" route. can set it up at the end of this one with the invasion then play out the registration in the upcoming individual films and have the epic battles between heroes in the next avengers

Spiderman played a pivotal role in civil war though.

Trippie · 16-02-2012 1:31am

norrie rugger wrote: »

Spiderman played a pivotal role in civil war though.

ye but with relaunching him and having a cameo in this film it doesn't rule it out

Mickeroo · 16-02-2012 3:14am

Trippie wrote: »

ye but with relaunching him and having a cameo in this film it doesn't rule it out

He's owned by a different film studio, not a chance in hell he'll be in this or any other marvel film. Can't see them doing civil war on film, would be a very hard one to adapt anyway and besides the films are set in a world where most of the supes are fairly recently discovered/created(apart from Cap), civil war needs the supes to be a part of everyday life by the time it happens rather than something extraordinary within the unviverse.

shadowcomplex · 16-02-2012 10:14pm

One thing the thor movie didnt show was how strong thor actually is, all his power moments were with his hammer. I mean how powerful is supposed to be? superman powerful? would a bullet pirece his skin?

Bullseye1 · 16-02-2012 10:16pm

They might tackle "Infinity Gauntlet". That would be an epic Avengers movie.

Mickeroo · 16-02-2012 10:33pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

One thing the thor movie didnt show was how strong thor actually is, all his power moments were with his hammer. I mean how powerful is supposed to be? superman powerful? would a bullet pirece his skin?

He's one of the only marvel heroes who can take Hulk in a straight fight, so I would say not far off Superman power (although arguably neither are as powerful as superman considering some of the stuff hes done in the comics/animated series). I doubt we'll ever see him at his full power in the movies though, Superman always seems much weaker in the films too, I guess they want them to seem a little more human in the movies so they make them a bit more vulnerable.

Galvasean · 16-02-2012 11:15pm

Even the Hulk is nowhere near as strong in the movie as he has been portrayed in various comics.

shadowcomplex · 16-02-2012 11:29pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

He's one of the only marvel heroes who can take Hulk in a straight fight, so I would say not far off Superman power (although arguably neither are as powerful as superman considering some of the stuff hes done in the comics/animated series). I doubt we'll ever see him at his full power in the movies though, Superman always seems much weaker in the films too, I guess they want them to seem a little more human in the movies so they make them a bit more vulnerable.

I actually thought Superman has been protrayed at his most powerful in the movies

1.Flying into and lifting up the san andreas fault
2.Pushing the moon
3.Flying with the staue of liberty in his hands
4.hurdling every nuclar bomb into the sun
5.Lifting up that massive island
6.Bullet in the eye ball

Galvasean · 16-02-2012 11:33pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I actually thought Superman has been protrayed at his most powerful in the movies

1.Flying into and lifting up the san andreas fault
2.Pushing the moon
3.Flying with the staue of liberty in his hands
4.hurdling every nuclar bomb into the sun
5.Lifting up that massive island
6.Bullet in the eye ball

7.

spinning the entire world backwards through time

Nervous Wreck · 16-02-2012 11:44pm

I think Mickeroo probably means when it comes to a fight, they haven't shown Superman's true potential. In Superman Returns, he doesn't swing a single punch, for instance. I wanna see him knock the shit out of someone tbh.

Mickeroo · 16-02-2012 11:50pm

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I actually thought Superman has been protrayed at his most powerful in the movies

1.Flying into and lifting up the san andreas fault
2.Pushing the moon
3.Flying with the staue of liberty in his hands
4.hurdling every nuclar bomb into the sun
5.Lifting up that massive island
6.Bullet in the eye ball

Galvasean wrote: »

7.
spinning the entire world backwards through time

All fair points

But yeah as Nervous Wreck said I meant more in terms of ass kicking! THey never have him let rip in the movies, I'm hoping they'll remedy that with the new one!

Galvasean · 16-02-2012 11:51pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I think Mickeroo probably means when it comes to a fight, they haven't shown Superman's true potential. In Superman Returns, he doesn't swing a single punch, for instance. I wanna see him knock the shit out of someone tbh.

Oh right. Yeah, he needs a super powered foe to fight. Earthlings are too puny to fight him properly. I recall an episode of the Justice League cartoon where Earth was being invaded by aliens and Superman got to 'cut loose' on their leader. said it was one of the few times he's ever fought at close to his full potential as every time he did it before "Someone got hurt". It was a badass side of Superman that you rarely see.

Baggly · 16-02-2012 11:52pm

That was Darkseid btw.

Mickeroo · 16-02-2012 11:54pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Oh right. Yeah, he needs a super powered foe to fight. Earthlings are too puny to fight him properly. I recall an episode of the Justice League cartoon where Earth was being invaded by aliens and Superman got to 'cut loose' on their leader. said it was one of the few times he's ever fought at close to his full potential as every time he did it before "Someone got hurt". It was a badass side of Superman that you rarely see.

Thats exactly the part I had in mind!

Here it is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zFsxSH8fUA

Apologies, I would embed but I think this is the third time I've posted this clip on here in various threads :P

Baggly · 16-02-2012 11:56pm

Should have thrown a batarang.

Snigger.

dreamers75 · 16-02-2012 11:58pm

But Iron Man not accepted into Avengers in I2

Baggly · 17-02-2012 12:01am

He was as a consultant. Dont know what that means - but they seem to have found a use for him.

brianregan09 · 17-02-2012 11:25pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAMeryU-qYY

And here is what its like when Superman meets his match

constitutionus · 17-02-2012 11:45pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

But Iron Man not accepted into Avengers in I2

that was a headfeck.

they knew the only way to get someone with his ego on the team, was to present him with the vista of someone else- someone he didnt get to pick - in the suit pretending to be him.

and it worked.

on the sequels things i think the infinity gauntlet would be fantastic. with aliens already looking to be part of this universe already (and hell its what loki and thor already really are) thanos shouldnt be that hard a stretch.

just retcon him abit so ya dont have to do all that stuff about titan and his family (unless they wanna bring in starfox, but TBH captain marvel would be more appropriate)

it'd also give them the chance to stick in obscures characters that wont support a film as cannon fodder

Galvasean · 18-02-2012 3:52pm

Pter wrote: »

Should have thrown a batarang.

Snigger.

More than one way to skin a cat my friend

pljudge321 · 18-02-2012 4:22pm

brianregan09 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAMeryU-qYY

And here is what its like when Superman meets his match

They should make a new superman movie with doomsday as the villain. Would require a pretty spectacular budget to pull off right though.

Galvasean · 18-02-2012 4:27pm

constitutionus wrote: »

it'd also give them the chance to stick in obscures characters that wont support a film as cannon fodder

The Transformer had a very successful Marvel comic run in the 80s. Throw em in too (along with Dr. Who)! :pac:

Baggly · 18-02-2012 4:29pm

Galvasean wrote: »

More than one way to skin a cat my friend

We were talking about raw power and how that should be translated onto the silver screen. That video you posted is all part of the 'batman has a plan' thing, but it is not a cool fight. If you want more of that stuff, you can watch Oceans Eleven or some such.

What i want is Hulk VS. Superman on the silver screen.

Or Superman VS. Darkseid/Doomsday.

As great as it is to see Batman outwit villains, its nice to see a decent tussle too.

I just hope the avengers movie can supply this.

Galvasean · 18-02-2012 4:34pm

I'm holding out for Thor and Hulk to have a smack down. The world needs more DBZ style hyper powerful beings knocking lumps out of each other.

Thwip! · 19-02-2012 12:10am

pljudge321 wrote: »

They should make a new superman movie with doomsday as the villain. Would require a pretty spectacular budget to pull off right though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM

Baggly · 23-02-2012 11:48am

Was thinking about the Avengers movie last night on the drive home.

Does anyone know how long it is? I dont see how JW is going to be able to fit in a decent enough story combined with enough action to make it work......

Can anyone see this film stacking up to the likes of the new Batman movies or to....i dont know....LOTR etc....i.e. the successful and (IMO) awesome action films of recent times.

Ill still go and probably enjoy the movie - i just wonder if the film is going to stack up.

Mickeroo · 23-02-2012 11:55am

Pter wrote: »

Was thinking about the Avengers movie last night on the drive home.

Does anyone know how long it is? I dont see how JW is going to be able to fit in a decent enough story combined with enough action to make it work......

Can anyone see this film stacking up to the likes of the new Batman movies or to....i dont know....LOTR etc....i.e. the successful and (IMO) awesome action films of recent times.

Ill still go and probably enjoy the movie - i just wonder if the film is going to stack up.

I don't think it could ever have a better chance of being a good film than it does now, considering the talent involved and how well Marvel have built up the back stories for it.

I'm not going to compare it to LOTR or Batman either, its its own thing and is entirely different in tone to those movies.

Baggly · 23-02-2012 12:09pm

Well i guess my question then is what are we expecting it to be as good as/better than?

IronMan? CA? Spiderman 1/2?

I agree it will never have a better chance - i guess im just wary of ensemble casts/multi character superhero films. We all remember the unpleasantness of Spiderman 3.

Mickeroo · 23-02-2012 2:34pm

Pter wrote: »

Well i guess my question then is what are we expecting it to be as good as/better than?

IronMan? CA? Spiderman 1/2?

I agree it will never have a better chance - i guess im just wary of ensemble casts/multi character superhero films. We all remember the unpleasantness of Spiderman 3.

If its as good as either Spider-Man 2, CA, Iron Man or Thor I would be overjoyed to tell the truth. Since its Whedon at the helm, I reckon at best we could get something on par with Serenity in terms of quality, which would probably mean an instant classic, but I acknowledge thats a long shot. He's proven himself as someone who knows how to make a proper ensemble movie though so fingers crossed.

I don't think there's too much danger of a spider-man 3 scenario, Marvel weren't involved in that production and I don't think they would put pressure on Whedon the way Sony did with Raimi.

Otacon · 23-02-2012 2:40pm

While this is still only Whedon's second major movie, the first was a modern sci-fi classic, better than the majority of the Star Wars movie IMO [ANH and ESB still better than Serenity]. If he can come close to that, the fanboys will be happy.

Nervous Wreck · 23-02-2012 4:07pm

One thing to remember about that, though, is that with Serenity, Whedon was working with characters he created. He'll be a little more restricted with The Avengers. I do think he's defo the right man for the job though!

I reckon this will be better than Captain America anyway. My fave of the lead up movies was Thor. I think they all slightly suffered from being origin stories that then needed to tack on a final battle in the end to bring them to a crescendo and, for me, Thor was the only one that kept up the quality.

Iron Man was crap in the last 30 mins.
The Incredible Hulk final battle was cool but just a little boring.
Iron Man 2 final battle sucked balls.
Captain America just kinda suddenly ended out of nowhere.

With Thor, the character's identity was already defined; there was no "how do I get used to my powers" crap either. His arc was centred around getting comfortable with not being a superhero, in a way. The final battle was just kind of a return to form but him

defeating the big metal dude

wasn't really the crescendo of the story; his

sacrificing his life and thus becoming worthy of the hammer again

was the peak.

Kinda rambled off-topic there.... Basically, if Whedon can make me enjoy The Avengers as much as I enjoyed Thor, I'll be chuffed!

oh_nos · 23-02-2012 8:23pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Thats exactly the part I had in mind!

Here it is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zFsxSH8fUA

Apologies, I would embed but I think this is the third time I've posted this clip on here in various threads :P

Got a name for this episode/movie? My little bro would be delighted to see the whole thing (and so would I lol)

Mark Hamill · 23-02-2012 10:58pm

oh_nos wrote: »

Got a name for this episode/movie? My little bro would be delighted to see the whole thing (and so would I lol)

Its the very last episode of the Justice League Unlimited cartoon (itself a sequel to the Justice League cartoon, itself a sequel to the Superman cartoon). Well worth watching all whole series, its got a lot of great fight scenes and the plot line that leads up to that final fight actually started in the superman cartoon.

constitutionus · 24-02-2012 5:01pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

One thing to remember about that, though, is that with Serenity, Whedon was working with characters he created. He'll be a little more restricted with The Avengers. I do think he's defo the right man for the job though!

I reckon this will be better than Captain America anyway. My fave of the lead up movies was Thor. I think they all slightly suffered from being origin stories that then needed to tack on a final battle in the end to bring them to a crescendo and, for me, Thor was the only one that kept up the quality.

Iron Man was crap in the last 30 mins.
The Incredible Hulk final battle was cool but just a little boring.
Iron Man 2 final battle sucked balls.
Captain America just kinda suddenly ended out of nowhere.

With Thor, the character's identity was already defined; there was no "how do I get used to my powers" crap either. His arc was centred around getting comfortable with not being a superhero, in a way. The final battle was just kind of a return to form but him
defeating the big metal dude
wasn't really the crescendo of the story; his
sacrificing his life and thus becoming worthy of the hammer again
was the peak.

Kinda rambled off-topic there.... Basically, if Whedon can make me enjoy The Avengers as much as I enjoyed Thor, I'll be chuffed!

the great thing about whedon is he loves the characters so its not like he had to do extensive research on em.

a couple of years ago he did a few arcs on an X men book created soley for him (astonishing xmen) and it showed a great appreciation of the marvel universe. fox even nicked some of the ideas and characters from that to make X3 - though needless to say buggered that up.

if whedon can do with avengers what he did with serenity i.e reintroduce characters and their relationships in a film that'd appeal to fans of the firefly show and general cinema going public ill be happy.

hell i didnt SEE any of firefly before serenity and slid right into their universe and got their relationships right of the batt. it was fun to watch the series and learn more, but i got the core of them up in that film.

the bloke has to juggle giving us a good adventure like that, and not relying on everyone having seen ironman/cap/thor/hulk. then he's gotta universe build a bit too boot to properly set shield , nick fury and co in stone, along with the villains.

no mean feat but i think he can pull it off.

more than that the last trailer for the film genuinely does look like were getting a threat that could only be beaten by all the lads together as opposed to "iron man 3 : meet me mates ".

this is an ensemble piece where hopefully theyll all get to shine and with , like youve said, many of the origins already in place im starting to get a really good feeling that this will kick arse.

hell its something i think whedon himself would HATE to **** up as its basically a fanboy dream to do and he's got the gig.

Sasquatch76 · 27-02-2012 2:57pm

Supposedly a new trailer out in 3 days??

aidan_walsh · 28-02-2012 8:11pm

April 26th for the UK release... but with a new name if the new poster is anything to go by.

For contrast, the US poster released today as well.

Sad Professor · 28-02-2012 8:18pm

Avengers Assemble? WTF?

aidan_walsh · 28-02-2012 8:20pm

It is rather awful as a title. A tagline is historically bearable, but a title?

pixelburp · 28-02-2012 8:20pm

Godawful photoshopping of course; par for the course really, but I still get a pang of disappointment each time it happens

Sad Professor · 28-02-2012 8:24pm

Perhaps they did this to avoid confusion with the '60s TV show?

Mindkiller · 28-02-2012 10:16pm

I shall be calling it 'Avemble' from now on.

Mickeroo · 28-02-2012 10:19pm

Surely its just the tagline?

Jimdagym · 28-02-2012 11:02pm

No, its the new british title, because of Lumley et al.

Anyone see the dates? The UK (and hopefully us) get it a week before the yanks!

Sad Professor · 28-02-2012 11:10pm

If you look at the credits at the bottom of the UK poster it still says "Marvel's The Avengers". So it looks like the title change was a last minute thing. I suspect there's probably copyright issues that are still being dealt with. Or who knows, maybe it's a mistake. I mean, whoever did the poster obviously thinks Captain America is a giant. I thought the X-Men: First Class poster was bad, but this is even worse. Marvel clearly don't want us to go see this film.

Galvasean · 29-02-2012 12:11am

Giant Cap', gotta love it :pac:

Thwip! · 29-02-2012 12:17am

aidan_walsh wrote: »

April 26th for the UK release... but with a new name if the new poster is anything to go by.

For contrast, the US poster released today as well.

is Captain America becoming Ant Man all of a sudden? I mean Chris Evans has already been the Human Torch so what's stopping him? :P

pixelburp · 29-02-2012 12:22am

Well one would think any clash of names would have been dealt with ages ago - I mean this film has been planned for years now, it's not like they haven't had the time to sort out any fiddly naming problems. Maybe they're just afraid people will think this is a re-release of that awful Avengers movie adaptation

aidan_walsh · 29-02-2012 6:04pm

Trailer 2 is now up on Apple's trailer site. Nothing on the official YouTube channel yet.

Some regional trailers but no UK specific one to verify the possible new name.

Nervous Wreck · 29-02-2012 6:15pm

Marvel UK&Ireland youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MarvelUK?feature=watch

Trailer looks really bad. Starting to look like a Michael Bay movie.... Hopefully it's just the way it's edited...

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