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    #4112
    A2000
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭A2000


    45 minute gaps on southbound 40 tonight. Its a bad time to announce a price hike when services have deteriorated so much in the past while.

    Been waiting since 19.45. Display said bus at 20.25 then moved to 20.33 and now 20.45 leaving a gap of over an hour and around 80 people complaining at the stop.


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    #4113
    BenShermin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭BenShermin


    A2000 wrote: »
    45 minute gaps on southbound 40 tonight. Its a bad time to announce a price hike when services have deteriorated so much in the past while.

    Been waiting since 19.45. Display said bus at 20.25 then moved to 20.33 and now 20.45 leaving a gap of over an hour and around 80 people complaining at the stop.
    This might explain the delay:

    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Central-Control-21/

    Once again proof that these super cross city routes don't work, the slightest incident en-route and the whole service is destroyed. An incident in Finglas should not affect people who use the bus from the City Centre to Ballyfermot:mad:.


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    #4114
    KD345
    Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭KD345


    A2000 wrote: »
    45 minute gaps on southbound 40 tonight. Its a bad time to announce a price hike when services have deteriorated so much in the past while.

    Been waiting since 19.45. Display said bus at 20.25 then moved to 20.33 and now 20.45 leaving a gap of over an hour and around 80 people complaining at the stop.

    There seems to be trouble in Finglas tonight with buses curtailed since 19:00. Perhaps some buses had windows smashed and were pulled out of service.

    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Central-Control-21/


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    #4115
    A2000
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭A2000


    There seems to be trouble in Finglas tonight with buses curtailed since 19:00. Perhaps some buses had windows smashed and were pulled out of service.

    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Central-Control-21/[/Quote

    this may be the case but should the services that did operate not be quicker as they didnt have to serve finglas south? Checked real time on db site all night and there were long gaps.


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    #4116
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    BenShermin wrote: »
    This might explain the delay:

    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Central-Control-21/

    Once again proof that these super cross city routes don't work, the slightest incident en-route and the whole service is destroyed. An incident in Finglas should not affect people who use the bus from the City Centre to Ballyfermot:mad:.

    Well the other week the 40 was curtailed one evening at both ends, in Finglas and in Neilstown due to stone throwing at either end which presumably meant two buses taken out of service and having to be replaced thus leading to at least two half-journeys (i.e. one terminus to the other) lost. So both communities lost out.

    I'm not quite sure that you can necessarily suggest that this problem is a factor in the new cross city routes not working. Stone throwing could happen anywhere in the city unfortunately, although it happens in Finglas every week from the frequency of reports on the DB website. In this regard the new super routes are no different to any of the other "established" cross city routes (9, 11, 16, 122 etc.). The main problem for the new routes has been unrealistic running times which have then taken forever to fix.
    A2000 wrote: »
    There seems to be trouble in Finglas tonight with buses curtailed since 19:00. Perhaps some buses had windows smashed and were pulled out of service.

    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Central-Control-21/

    this may be the case but should the services that did operate not be quicker as they didnt have to serve finglas south? Checked real time on db site all night and there were long gaps.

    Well there would probably have been at least one half-journey if not one full round journey lost while the bus went back to the depot and was replaced.

    Given that there have been several reports here of "missing" buses (i.e. buses appearing on-street but not on the system due to (and I'm guessing here) issues with the on-board GPS), it could be possible that at least one bus was going around but not showing up.


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    #4117
    123balltv
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    Rabbitt wrote: »
    Bit of a massacre on the 65b. Think it's a tad harsh as it's a well used service. Taking it away from Tallaght Village is also strange.

    Oh no thanks for letting us know, always packed those buses why ? :mad:


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    #4118
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Rabbitt wrote: »
    Bit of a massacre on the 65b. Think it's a tad harsh as it's a well used service. Taking it away from Tallaght Village is also strange.

    It's busy at peak times, but not so much off peak from my observations.

    The re-routing from Tallaght Village was as a result of reaction to the cancellation of the 74 and to retain a service from Rathmines etc to Ballycullen.


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    #4119
    BenShermin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭BenShermin


    I know stone throwing incidents could occur anywhere but to be fair creating a bus route that goes through both Neilstown and South/West Finglas is just foolish in my opinion. It effectively means that the route has double the chance of having it's windows put in by "scum bag*" behaviour. Last night buses were taken out of service because of "Finglas" problems, tonight who knows it could be "Neilstown" problems, whatever the cause two large communities suffer instead of just one before the 40/78a merger!

    I don't believe running times would be a problem after 1900hrs anyway as the traffic is so light.

    *I despise the term "anti-social" being used to discribe a scum bag throwing a stone at a bus. Anti social behaviour imo is answering a mobile phone in an intimate restuarant not the attempted murder of a bus driver and up to 94 passengers!!


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    #4120
    Luckycharm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    The maps aren't working anyone have a link to a map for the 15b and 15 new routes?


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    #4121
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Luckycharm wrote: »
    The maps aren't working anyone have a link to a map for the 15b and 15 new routes?

    I haven't seen any as yet. The only differences are reasonably straightforward:

    Route 15:
    Will start at Clongriffen, then operate via N32 and Malahide Road to North Strand, Amiens Street, Georges Quay, Hawkins Street, College Street and then as per existing route 15 to Scholarstown Road (first roundabout) where it will turn right and cross over the M50 along St Colmcille's Way, before turning left at the Ballycullen roundabout onto Ballycullen Road and will follow the existing route 74 to Stocking Avenue from there.

    It will no longer serve the stretch of Scholarstown Road between the community school and the current terminus.

    Route 15b:
    Will start at Benson Street (existing 74a terminus) and will follow the existing route 74a as far as Rathfarnham Village. It will then turn right onto Butterfield Avenue, left onto Marian Road, left onto Ballyroan Road, and right onto Ballyboden Road. From there it will follow the existing route 74a route to Stocking Avenue.

    This means the stops on Ballyboden Road between Rathfarnham Church and Ballyroan Road will only be served by route 61, and the stops on Butterfield Avenue between Marian Road and the Blue Haven pub will only be served by route 75.

    The 15b will no longer serve Templeogue or Terenure villages.


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    #4122
    A2000
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭A2000


    theres been a lot of instances of 40's going out of service at liffey valley leaving people behind and goin back into service while going out the back way to coldcut rd. People are not happy being left behind as they wouldnt mind the shorter journey. Also creates bigger gaps around neilstown.


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    #4123
    BenShermin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 701 ✭✭✭BenShermin


    A2000 wrote: »
    theres been a lot of instances of 40's going out of service at liffey valley leaving people behind and goin back into service while going out the back way to coldcut rd. People are not happy being left behind as they wouldnt mind the shorter journey. Also creates bigger gaps around neilstown.
    I've personally witnessed this several times, it used to happen in 78a days aswell albeit not as frequently.

    It's a dreadful route, prone to awful traffic congestion in Kilmainham and Ballyfermot which offer no bus prioritisation whatsoever. This leads to bus bunching and buses having to skip the Neilstown loop to get back on schedule, the merger with the 40 has made this problem even worse lately!


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    #4124
    Rabbitt
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Rabbitt


    123balltv wrote: »
    Rabbitt wrote: »
    Bit of a massacre on the 65b. Think it's a tad harsh as it's a well used service. Taking it away from Tallaght Village is also strange.

    Oh no thanks for letting us know, always packed those buses why ? :mad:
    That sarcasim?


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    #4125
    Rabbitt
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Rabbitt


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Rabbitt wrote: »
    Bit of a massacre on the 65b. Think it's a tad harsh as it's a well used service. Taking it away from Tallaght Village is also strange.

    It's busy at peak times, but not so much off peak from my observations.

    The re-routing from Tallaght Village was as a result of reaction to the cancellation of the 74 and to retain a service from Rathmines etc to Ballycullen.
    Think the 65b is worthy of a few more buses on the weekday, especially about 8.30 amd 9.00am


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    #4126
    Aard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Rabbitt wrote: »
    That sarcasim?
    Don't think s/he's being sarcastic. It is a bit odd to take a route away from a centre of employment. I wonder if there are alternatives...


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    #4127
    starviewadams
    Registered Users Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    I'd love to have a bus route that services my estate,these little toerags in Neilstown and Finglas have one in the 40 and yet they smash the buses windows!

    Infuriating!


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    #4128
    Rabbitt
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Rabbitt


    starviewadams wrote: »
    I'd love to have a bus route that services my estate,these little toerags in Neilstown and Finglas have one in the 40 and yet they smash the buses windows!

    Infuriating!
    They've nothing better to do so think they will act the hard man and smash a bus window. Little weasles, pity a bus wouldn't run over their feet


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    #4129
    Luckycharm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    lxflyer wrote: »
    I haven't seen any as yet. The only differences are reasonably straightforward:

    Route 15:
    Will start at Clongriffen, then operate via N32 and Malahide Road to North Strand, Amiens Street, Georges Quay, Hawkins Street, College Street and then as per existing route 15 to Scholarstown Road (first roundabout) where it will turn right and cross over the M50 along St Colmcille's Way, before turning left at the Ballycullen roundabout onto Ballycullen Road and will follow the existing route 74 to Stocking Avenue from there.

    It will no longer serve the stretch of Scholarstown Road between the community school and the current terminus.

    Route 15b:
    Will start at Benson Street (existing 74a terminus) and will follow the existing route 74a as far as Rathfarnham Village. It will then turn right onto Butterfield Avenue, left onto Marian Road, left onto Ballyroan Road, and right onto Ballyboden Road. From there it will follow the existing route 74a route to Stocking Avenue.

    This means the stops on Ballyboden Road between Rathfarnham Church and Ballyroan Road will only be served by route 61, and the stops on Butterfield Avenue between Marian Road and the Blue Haven pub will only be served by route 75.
    The 15b will no longer serve Templeogue or Terenure villages.

    Yep my folks are not happy with that - I am liking the new routes with more buses :)


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    #4130
    beglee
    Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭beglee


    It may have been mentioned in this thread before, but the 38a has been ruined since the update to the network.

    The 38 serves blanchardstown village & castleknock whilst the 38a used to skip all that and stay on the N3. So it was much much faster, by as much as 20-30 minutes.

    So with network direct they reduce the frequency of both buses, and also make the 38a route LESS direct. It now nips into blanchardstown village. It wouldnt seem like a big deal, an extra 3 or 4 minutes in distance to travel if you are looking at a map. BUT, the traffic & junction at the N3 flyover just before the turn for Blanch (if you are going towards town) is horrendous. Bus ends up sitting at the lights for 5 minutes before it goes green, and usually doesnt get through on the first attempt. So the 38a now usually takes about an extra 15 minutes than it used to. Its still a bit faster than the 38, but there seems to be little to no benefit of going through blanch village as so few people get on/off there. Most people are going from Ballycoolin/Blanch college/Damastown to/from town.

    Very, very annoying, especially on days Im trying to get across the city to UCD for 5-a-side :mad:


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    #4131
    Bazzer2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Bazzer2


    Rabbitt wrote: »
    They've nothing better to do so think they will act the hard man and smash a bus window. Little weasles, pity a bus wouldn't run over their feet

    Probably the same sort of scumbags who are given free bus passes like confetti and would be the first to complain if their bus didn't turn up.


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    #4132
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    beglee wrote: »
    It may have been mentioned in this thread before, but the 38a has been ruined since the update to the network.

    The 38 serves blanchardstown village & castleknock whilst the 38a used to skip all that and stay on the N3. So it was much much faster, by as much as 20-30 minutes.

    So with network direct they reduce the frequency of both buses, and also make the 38a route LESS direct. It now nips into blanchardstown village. It wouldnt seem like a big deal, an extra 3 or 4 minutes in distance to travel if you are looking at a map. BUT, the traffic & junction at the N3 flyover just before the turn for Blanch (if you are going towards town) is horrendous. Bus ends up sitting at the lights for 5 minutes before it goes green, and usually doesnt get through on the first attempt. So the 38a now usually takes about an extra 15 minutes than it used to. Its still a bit faster than the 38, but there seems to be little to no benefit of going through blanch village as so few people get on/off there. Most people are going from Ballycoolin/Blanch college/Damastown to/from town.

    Very, very annoying, especially on days Im trying to get across the city to UCD for 5-a-side :mad:

    The problem is that the people around Blanchardstown Village asked for more buses to compensate for the reduction in the 39 - that's why the 38a was re-routed.


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    #4133
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    lxflyer wrote: »
    The problem is that the people around Blanchardstown Village asked for more buses to compensate for the reduction in the 39 - that's why the 38a was re-routed.

    I would suggest that the (current) problem is more the inability of the Network Direct office to stick to it's original plans,which IMO,had quite some validity.

    Unlike other Network Direct scenarios,where the original plans were quite obviously unfit for service,the 38A/39 division was well founded and really should have been adhered to....oh well at least it shows the benefit of a good public representative :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #4134
    A2000
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭A2000


    Waited 25 mins for southbound 40 in oconnell st today around 1pm. 3 came within 4 mins and 3 13's within 5 mins. All 6 buses were at inchicore library in a nice orderly line as people seemed to want to get off each bus. Would hate to have been at the wrong end of that particular bunching of services.


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    #4135
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,296 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    beglee wrote: »
    It may have been mentioned in this thread before, but the 38a has been ruined since the update to the network.

    The 38 serves blanchardstown village & castleknock whilst the 38a used to skip all that and stay on the N3. So it was much much faster, by as much as 20-30 minutes.

    So with network direct they reduce the frequency of both buses, and also make the 38a route LESS direct. It now nips into blanchardstown village. It wouldnt seem like a big deal, an extra 3 or 4 minutes in distance to travel if you are looking at a map. BUT, the traffic & junction at the N3 flyover just before the turn for Blanch (if you are going towards town) is horrendous. Bus ends up sitting at the lights for 5 minutes before it goes green, and usually doesnt get through on the first attempt. So the 38a now usually takes about an extra 15 minutes than it used to. Its still a bit faster than the 38, but there seems to be little to no benefit of going through blanch village as so few people get on/off there. Most people are going from Ballycoolin/Blanch college/Damastown to/from town.

    Very, very annoying, especially on days Im trying to get across the city to UCD for 5-a-side :mad:

    Yes it really is a disaster isn't it. The city Centre to Damastown trip doesn't seem to suffer so much timewise from the Blanch diversion, but the inward route is a killer.

    The traffic light setup doesn't seem to give a good chance to traffic turning left from that bridge into Blanch village, and even when you do the turn it's quite normal to then get caught at all of the four, yes FOUR, sets of traffic lights along Blanch Main Street, (which even without the traffic lights is a jamspot anyway). Before the eventual right turn onto the N3 which again is a low priority light.

    And the lovely multi million new road through the N3/M50 junction, 2 years in the building, got used by the 38A for about 3 months before the public transport gurus decided going through Blanch village was in some way more desirable.

    Theres further discussion from post 86 onwards in this thread if you are interested.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056176731

    I particularly like my expletive filled drunked rant in post #88.


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    #4136
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Route-6565b/
    Route 65/65b
    Thursday, December 15, 2011

    Dublin Bus would like to inform customers that, due to operational issues, the proposed revisions to routes 65 & 65b will not be introduced this weekend, They will continue to operate as per the current routing and timetables. Dublin Bus would like to apologise for any inconvenience caused in this regard. We anticipate that the revisions will be introduced in January 2012. Prior to their implementation, customers will be notified via the Dublin Bus website (www.dublinbus.ie), newspaper advertisement and Dublin Bus’ Facebook and Twitter pages.


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    #4137
    Stevek101
    Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101


    I wonder has that got anything to do with the drivers bills not being voted on before the public announcement...


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    #4138
    KD345
    Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭KD345


    That's pretty confusing for passengers, why publish timetables without sorting out internal workings first? Surely the 15F should be remaining until the revised 65B is introduced?


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    #4139
    richard2010
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭richard2010


    lxflyer wrote: »
    http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/Travel-News/Route-6565b/

    Uh-oh looks like Dublin Bus made whoopsie!!! I'd say drivers but their foot down in terms of rosters/cars.


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    #4140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I see some directional signage has gone up in Fairview now, around Marino Mart and the Malahide Road. Any idea what route is up next?


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    #4141
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Karsini wrote: »
    I see some directional signage has gone up in Fairview now, around Marino Mart and the Malahide Road. Any idea what route is up next?

    15 and 128 Merger on Sunday,le cunadh Dé......;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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