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Becoming a Real Runner

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  • #1402
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Great report. Captures the magic of the event. Made me wish I'd been there yesterday.

    Told yee it was a really special race. :cool:

    Yes, last year I did the great ireland run. I can't think which one is better :rolleyes:


  • #1403
    donothoponpop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    One of the best race reports I've read, nice one!


  • #1404
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    donothoponpop wrote: »
    One of the best race reports I've read, nice one!

    Thanks bud. Imagine what I could do if I was sober. :pac:


  • #1405
    Mr Slow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Thanks bud. Imagine what I could do if I was sober. :pac:

    How much drink had been taken when you decided to do it?


  • #1406
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Brilliant, well done meno


  • #1407
    tHE vAGGABOND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    brilliant work, well done


  • #1408
    chinguetti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Meno, bloody hell, lying in the middle of the road with cramp as people go by you. Can you imagine how many people were telling someone about the guy lying on the road screaming 'my bet, my bet' (my imagination here) as they ran by you. And then they find out that he finished. Great report and laughing out loud at it.

    Fair play to you brother, savage performance and great job. I'm sure you were doing your cramp dance on the floor somewhere in the West last night. I'm thinking Saturday Night Fever with the medal and a white suit:D Sure tis no worries Claralara's friend was after you.

    Altogether now, 'Cramp fever, Cramp fever, you know how to run it'


  • #1409
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Well done Meno on a great race. It sounds amazing so may give it a go next year.


  • #1410
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Reports about Conn ultra make it sound so tempting, but there are certain people on here who would do me some serious damage if I so much as let the thought of doing it next year cross my mind :pac:

    Well done Menopause, bet won :D


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  • #1411
    Woddle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    Congrats menoscreamo absolutely super although it sounds like you were having a stroke rather than cramp from your description. Time to change the log title me thinks.


  • #1412
    gerard65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭gerard65


    Woddle wrote: »
    Congrats menoscreamo absolutely super although it sounds like you were having a stroke rather than cramp from your description. Time to change the log title me thinks.
    LOL, thats what I thought when I read it:pac:
    Well done menopause.


  • #1413
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    chinguetti wrote: »
    M I'm thinking Saturday Night Fever with the medal and a white suit:D Sure tis Teno worries Claralara's friend was after you.
    the shirt and the medal were brilliant but it was the salsa dancing classes that went down a treat :pac:


  • #1414
    aficionado
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭aficionado


    Well done Meno and to your buddy Frank,
    Good chatting to ya's on the train and the pub :)
    Seen you hit 92% HR on the report, Any idea where that would have been?


  • #1415
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Woddle wrote: »
    Congrats menoscreamo absolutely super although it sounds like you were having a stroke rather than cramp from your description. Time to change the log title me thinks.

    I was having a cramp for sure, but I am note sure if Oisin was havind a stroke or a cramp later on. either way the stroke/cramp was close to the groin area.:pac:


  • #1416
    DigiJem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭DigiJem


    Congrats meno, brilliant running.


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  • #1417
    brownian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭brownian


    Well done Meno. That's a serious tale of triumph over adversity, not to mention determination to get the job done.

    It's not my place to suggest you're a real runner now...but I don't think many would deny you the title.

    Nice going!


  • #1418
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    aficionado wrote: »
    Well done Meno and to your buddy Frank,
    Good chatting to ya's on the train and the pub :)
    Seen you hit 92% HR on the report, Any idea where that would have been?

    Yep, I am pretty sure I hit 92% in ryans :pac:


  • #1419
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Yep, I am pretty sure I hit 92% in ryans :pac:

    He thought someone was about to spill his pint, and in an epic dive to save said pint...


  • #1420
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Davis Big Limo wrote: »
    Well done Meno on a great race. It sounds amazing so may give it a go next year.

    Here bud, you would cruise though it!!! see you at the irsish open super sattelite?


  • #1421
    misty floyd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Well done Meno, delighted for ya. Great report too!


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  • #1422
    Macanri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭Macanri


    Class stuff Meno, Well done. No easy feat.
    I reckon you're due a couple of days rest after that!
    Any singing done in the pub?


  • #1423
    digger2d2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭digger2d2


    Woddle wrote: »
    Congrats menoscreamo absolutely super although it sounds like you were having a stroke rather than cramp from your description. Time to change the log title me thinks.

    He was excited about receiving his medal!;)


  • #1424
    ElectraX
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭ElectraX


    Well done! Fantastic time, especially considering the circumstances you had to contend with. Great to read an ultra race report!


  • #1425
    jcsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Amazing stuff! Well done, great report too!


  • #1426
    Aimman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭Aimman


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I don't know what the 'special' is but I can't see myself not doing this race again next year. 5:30 here we come. I want to get into the elusive negative split club :pac:


    Spoken like a true ultra runner. You have the bug now. Anyway,
    Great running! . Although Dingle is cancelled (major disappointed in that) you can smash the time in a very flat Longford 39.3M Ultra at the end of August.

    I'm waiting for the Post Race Party report. I think I need a few blank moments filled in, haha. Mind you. I definitely remember all the bits worth remembering. ;)

    Only nine people between us at the finish, I'll have to work on narrowing that gap now.:)


  • #1427
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Here bud, you would cruise though it!!! see you at the irsish open super sattelite?

    Yeah will probably head down and give the open sattelite a bash. I have already pencilled in Conn 2012 as it is early enough in the season and from all the reports i am reading it sounds like an amazing place to run.
    Aimman wrote: »
    Although Dingle is cancelled (major disappointed in that) you can smash the time in a very flat Longford 39.3M Ultra at the end of August.

    That is a shame on Dingle as i was contemplating on giving it a go. Longford would probably be to soon after IM.


  • #1428
    W.B. Yeats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭W.B. Yeats


    Well done Meno- great achievement to add to the others over the past few months!


  • #1429
    Mr Slow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    W.B. Yeats wrote: »
    Well done Meno- great achievement to add to the others over the past few months!

    Maybe time to retire now, a man of his age you know ;)


  • #1430
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Just a little short lap of Tymon to test the legs.
    2.7 miles @9:30 pace. I can still feel the knot in my left hamstring that took the worst of the cramp on Sunday. I'll have to go easy for a few days as the physio is on holidays for the next week. Hopefully plenty of rolling will loosen it out.

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|8/13|82.4
    Total|83/103|797.7

    The Euphoria of Connemara has been absolutely devastated by the sad news of SarsfieldRock's accident on sunday night. He is the self same man who roped me into Conn with that crazy bet and is now fighting for his life in the ICU in Galway. For anyone hearing about this for the first time, you can leave a message of support over on his log that will get to him in hospital.

    Eddie, after 47 marathons and multiple ultras, I'm sure you can pull through this one too.


  • #1431
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Took on the 'long' loop of Tymon this evening and the legs felt much better:
    3.4 miles @ 8:37 pace. almost a minute per mile afster than yesterday with the same effort. Still a few twinges though and the legs are stiff in various places.

    WTD 2 runs 6.1 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|9/14|85.8
    Total|84/104|801.1

    Through the 800 barrier woohooo


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  • #1432
    racheljev
    Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭racheljev


    Just catching up, congrats on the ultra, you played a blinder. And well done on breaking 800 for the year, I'm jealous!;)


  • #1433
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Everyhting felt a bit better agin today so I decided to stretch the legs a bit more today. I am planning on starting a 5k training plan next week so I figured If I couldn't sting a few sub 8 minute miles together today I wouldn't be ready for all the fast intervals and tempos next week...


    so 5.3 miles @ 7.50 pace. Felt quite easy after the first mile. Still a few bits of tightness in various parts of either leg but I should be grand by Monday so it's all systems go.

    WTD 3 runs 11.4 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|10/15|91.1
    Total|85/105|806.4


  • #1434
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Throwing a bit of speed in yesterday seems to be just what the doctor ordered in terms of throwing off the cobwebs. Woke up this morning and the legs feel back to normal.
    Kept todays run at recovery pace but there was very little of the niggles and stiffness from earlier in the week. I threw about 5 strides into the last mile just for the craic.

    6.3 miles@ 8:50 pace

    WTD 4 runs 17.7 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|11/16|97.4
    Total|86/106|812.7


  • #1435
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Today was to be a rest day as I had to nurse a hangover and play some golf this afternoon. However in my drunken stupor, I somehow managed to stub my little toe going to bed last night and it has swollen up quite a bit and from feeling it, appears to be broken :o

    Obviously this had me worried as I am planning to begin a 5k programme tomorrow and wasn't sure If I could run on it so I went out for a sneaky 2 miler after golf to check it was ok. Luckily there doesn't seem to be any pain from running so it's all systems go :D

    2 miles @ 7:55 pace

    WTD 5 runs 19.7 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|12/17|99.4
    Total|87/107|814.7


  • #1436
    chinguetti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Put some ice on your toe and also into some of your drinks:D


  • #1437
    Mr Slow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    A runner's answer to every ailment, I was feeling fluey so I decided to run in the heat to sweat it out, Meno breaks his toe and rather than use conventional medicine ie an X ray, he goes for a run.:rolleyes:


  • #1438
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    mrslow wrote: »
    A runner's answer to every ailment, I was feeling fluey so I decided to run in the heat to sweat it out, Meno breaks his toe and rather than use conventional medicine ie an X ray, he goes for a run.:rolleyes:

    HaHa, I knew I would get this comment. I just didn't want to go out to UCD for intervals tomorrow only to find out I can't run.


  • #1439
    outforarun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭outforarun


    Catching up. Well done on last weekend's run out West, great running.


  • #1440
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    HH Advanced 5k programme.
    wk 1 day 1 Intervals:
    6x 400m @mile pace. What is mile pace? well a 19 min 5k equates to a 5:30 mile according to Mc Millan so pace for these should be 82 or 83 seconds. No Problem I thought. A few months on the track with Brianderunner to chase ago I Did 10 of these straight with an 83 average, so 6 would be no bother.

    Tonight however I either have not recovered from Conn or Have lost all speed or a little of both but I could not hold the required pace after the first interval. The HR maxed out at pretty much it's limit for all reps so it seems that I was giving it full juice 9and it certainly felt that way- nearly puked a few times).

    Anyway splits (max HR) were: 83 (178) 84 (181), 86 (180), 87 (180) 88 (180) 88 (180).

    Hopefully I'll get a bit more speed in these as time goes on. Next weeks session is 10 x 200 at 800m pace :eek:.

    I have another longer interval session to do on wednesday and a 'fast' 4 mile tempo later int he week so it's certainly going to be interesting after all that ultra training.

    Total for the day:
    5.1 miles

    WTD: 1 Run 5.1 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|13/18|104.5
    Total|88/108|819.8


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  • #1441
    mithril
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭mithril


    menoscemo wrote: »
    HH Advanced 5k programme.
    Tonight however I either have not recovered from Conn or Have lost all speed

    I know which of the two it is :)


  • #1442
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    6.3 miles around Tymon @8:43 pace with Aimman. Av HR 143. While the HR is about 5 BPM more than normal it is about 10BPM lower than on a similar distanced (slightly slower and less hilly) run on saturday, so My recovery is obviously coming along nicely. I'll try to get back to using the HRM more again as it is a good guide for speed training and a good monitor of how much I have recovered from the Ultra. I don't expect to hit all my goal paces staright away but it is nice to know I am working hard/easy enough.

    Tomorrow is 6 x half a mile at 5k Pace :eek:

    WTD: 2 Run 11.4 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|14/19|110.8
    Total|89/109|826.2


  • #1443
    Oisin11178
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭Oisin11178


    Mate i think your garmin is broke. It doesnt seem to be able to go over 6.3 miles:p


  • #1444
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Oisin11178 wrote: »
    Mate i think your garmin is broke. It doesnt seem to be able to go over 6.3 miles:p

    Don't worry, it will on saturday ;)
    Anyways I'm a 5k runner now


  • #1445
    shels4ever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Don't worry, it will on saturday ;)
    Anyways I'm a 5k runner now
    ah yes but are you a real 5k runner ;)


  • #1446
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    For his second speed session of the week, HH calls for a 'Tempo' run, however his definaition of @tempo' is quite ambiguous and for me quite confusing. Tonight he calls for a 30 minute tempo run, but I am not sure if he wants me to run fast for 30 minutes or not (he talks about only reaching race pace for a few minutes in the middle).

    Reading this thread by Shels during the week, I have decided to make the second speed session in this programe a variation of the Mcmillan 'Best 10k workouts'. Basically covering the race distance in each session at goal pace but increasing the length of the reps as the weeks go on.

    Tonights plan was 6 x 0.5 mile at Goal pace with 2 minute recoveries. I am happy to put goal pace at 6:10/mile at the moment. The idea is to tweak the session each week so that I am running 3 x 1 mile at goal pace the week before the race.

    Tonights session went much better than monday. The length of the 6 reps varied a bit (between 0.46 and 0.51/ mile) so I'll just put up pace(min/mile) and max HR:
    6:03 (178), 5:59 (180), 6:07 (182), 6:07 (182), 6:12 (183), 6:07 (184)

    Wow I'm actually quite surprised at the max HR's looking at that, that's some of the highest I've recorded. They are much higher than on monday but it felt much easier today. The odd numbered reps were slightly uphill and the even numbered ones downhill. I did these reps on tarmac (in Tymon) in the racing flats. the idea is to replicate race conditions.

    Total for the day: 5.1 miles


    WTD: 3 Runs 16.5 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|15/20|115.9
    Total|90/110|831.3


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  • #1447
    brownian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭brownian


    A tempo is a run with a slow warmup, a fast middle and and a slow warmdown. A 10k tempo might be three slow, five fast, two slow. A 30 min tempo might be 10 slow, 15 fast, five slow.

    That's some serious mileage, for the middle of April. If I've half that done, I'd be surprised!


  • #1448
    Mr Slow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    I would have thought after your success with P&D you'd be following their 5/10k plans?


  • #1449
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    brownian wrote: »
    A tempo is a run with a slow warmup, a fast middle and and a slow warmdown. A 10k tempo might be three slow, five fast, two slow. A 30 min tempo might be 10 slow, 15 fast, five slow.

    That's some serious mileage, for the middle of April. If I've half that done, I'd be surprised!

    Yeah, I know what HH Is saying but for me a tempo is X slow, y Fast, X Slow. HH seems to advocate so many differences from fast and slow that I would find it difficult. Besides in his 3rd speed session of the week he prescribes generally 4 or 5 miles 'fast'. He doesn't give a pace but tells you to run at a 'non conversational' pace, for me that is waht I would call a tempo session.

    Anyways I think the session I did tonight will be more benificial to a race specific goal.
    mrslow wrote: »
    I would have thought after your success with P&D you'd be following their 5/10k plans?

    I don't have their 5/10k plans at hand but I did read it on the train to mallow and I think It only prescribes 1 'hard' session per week? I think I have a good enough base at the moment ot do 2 or 3 hard session per week.


  • #1450
    Woddle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    Hey meno
    Keep me in mind if it ever suits but every Thursday I'm going to be in Marlay doing 1k reps around the same loop we did last time. Started last week and will be there this evening but probably late notice for you.


  • #1451
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Woddle wrote: »
    Hey meno
    Keep me in mind if it ever suits but every Thursday I'm going to be in Marlay doing 1k reps around the same loop we did last time. Started last week and will be there this evening but probably late notice for you.

    I was actually going to get in touch with you. Planning on doing 5 x 1k reps @5k pace next thursday and was thinking of the marlay loop. What time would suit you best. Can you make 5:45pm?


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