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Tedious Bickering

  • 19-12-2009 8:29pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭



    MOD NOTE: This thread contains all the pathetically argumentative dross which is moved from other threads by mods on the grounds that it's too stupid, off-topic and/or childish even for the Brooomwagon. It's intended to be a cooling-off zone for silly arguments, but on rare occasions something interesting may happen. If you're offended by a post on this thread, please think twice about reporting it - the fact that it's here at all indicates its supreme lack of worth.
    me@ucd wrote: »
    a few years ago 4 or 5? I was on N11 slip rd, and some absolute loon job, after having a heated 'discussion' on the incident, reversed back up the slip road, stopped, reved the engine like he'd seen too many movies and then dropped the hand brake and sped towards me! I got off the bike and up onto a grass verge and over a concrete railing, he probably wasnt trying to run me over literally, but it scared the shit out of me thats for sure.

    The Lesson: asshats are asshats and confronting them just isnt worth it, most dont think, and comfronting them just isn't worth it. you'll end up takling to the wall anyway and more pissed of with them not listening to them.

    Much better to just use the adrennaline coursing through your legs to get in some high quality training sprints or burning the touch paper efforts, screaming while doing so is optional ;)

    If you run all your doing is encouraging them to keep up their act, I had a similar incident a few years ago (off the bike) when some local tough guys tought they were hard and reversed up a one way street all coked up to attack a friend of mine who had thrown chips at their car after they had jokingly tried to run him over; unaware that I was about 20yards behind after being distracted by a nice dog, well those coked up losers were soundly trounced and had a trip to casualty.

    Recently I took it upon myself to chase down a van which had done the usual trick of trying to push me into the kerb, wel he wasn't so tough at the lights when I was banging on his window as he looked blankly forward with a very pale face.

    The Lesson: people feel very safe in their metal boxes however their balls often shrink once they realise how thin the metal is and how weak the glass is


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    You're certainly living up to your username.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    ScottStorm wrote: »
    If you run all your doing is encouraging them to keep up their act, I had a similar incident a few years ago (off the bike) when some local tough guys tought they were hard and reversed up a one way street all coked up to attack a friend of mine who had thrown chips at their car after they had jokingly tried to run him over; unaware that I was about 20yards behind after being distracted by a nice dog, well those coked up losers were soundly trounced and had a trip to casualty.

    Recently I took it upon myself to chase down a van which had done the usual trick of trying to push me into the kerb, wel he wasn't so tough at the lights when I was banging on his window as he looked blankly forward with a very pale face.

    The Lesson: people feel very safe in their metal boxes however their balls often shrink once they realise how thin the metal is and how weak the glass is
    Another cyclist gloating about criminal behaviour on the crime cycling forum. Wow, this is original - though I much prefer the "ulock through the window" or the"kicking off the car mirror" episodes that usually accompany these posts. C'mon guys, surely there's better stories than this. Hint: you have to describe the motorist as something that Satan would be afraid of. You (the criminal, eh sorry the cyclist) are just an innocent (add orphan or whatever for more empathy) commuter who's just been tipped over the edge (think Michael Douglas - Falling Down) and the next thing there's mirrors, doors and wheels being torn assunder - maybe even some random gunfire. - I'll get the popcorn!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Is it worse than advocating shoving things up people's rectums without their consent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Is it worse than advocating shoving things up people's rectums without their consent?
    who did that?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Wow, this is original
    The words pot and kettle spring to mind


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Close this quick. We've got a violent nutter on one hand, who cycles, and we've got tim who chooses to ignore all the sensible posts and seizes on the aforementioned questionable comments to tar us all with the same brush. Boring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Close this quick. We've got a violent nutter on one hand, who cycles, and we've got tim who chooses to ignore all the sensible posts and seizes on the aforementioned questionable comments to tar us all with the same brush. Boring.
    No, I do not tar you all with the same brush.
    But the vigour with which many on this forum jump to discredit me or request the thread to be closed while all the time the post of the "violent nutter" brought no response, which could be construed as tacit approval - I guess its this hypocricy which motivates me to highlight such posts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭poochiem


    wow time flies


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    poochiem wrote: »
    wow time flies
    wow, more discrediting. I guess I covered this on my previous post - you have nothing to say about the "violent nutter"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ScottStorm I condemn you. Now will you go away Tim?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    TimAllen wrote: »
    wow, more discrediting. I guess I covered this on my previous post - you have nothing to say about the "violent nutter"?

    I do. You quoted me. I called him a nutter. He's probably a motorist too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    coolbeans wrote: »
    I do. You quoted me. I called him a nutter. He's probably a motorist too.
    The violent/criminal behaviour that this guy gloated about is not an uncommon theme among the cyclists on this forum. That it is tolerated is mind boggling:eek:


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The violent/criminal behaviour that this guy gloated about is not an uncommon theme among the cyclists on this forum. That it is tolerated is mind boggling:eek:
    So, Timothy, how common is this theme you speak of? What proportion of cyclists who post in the cycling forum would you estimate have gloated about violent/criminal behaviour?


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭SleepDoc


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The violent/criminal behaviour that this guy gloated about is not an uncommon theme among the cyclists on this forum. That it is tolerated is mind boggling:eek:

    Tim Allen/Joe Malone. You have delighted us enough. Gloating about criminal behaviour is a very uncommon theme on this forum. Do a search.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The violent/criminal behaviour that this guy gloated about is not an uncommon theme among the cyclists on this forum. That it is tolerated is mind boggling:eek:

    I CALLED HIM A NUTTER.:rolleyes: Funny kind of tolerance. Also he's a first time poster on this forum so the application of your broad brush is as inappropriate as it is sadly predictable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Beasty wrote: »
    So, Timothy, how common is this theme you speak of? What proportion of cyclists who post in the cycling forum would you estimate have gloated about violent/criminal behaviour?
    Many. I dont intend to work out the exact proportion though


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭SleepDoc


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Many. I dont intend to work out the exact proportion though

    Yes. Your mission is to irritate rather than enlighten.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Many. I dont intend to work out the exact proportion though

    Dead right too, why let the facts get in the way :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    SleepDoc wrote: »
    Tim Allen/Joe Malone. You have delighted us enough. Gloating about criminal behaviour is a very uncommon theme on this forum. Do a search.
    The name's Tim, whats yours, Joe?
    Its quite a common theme actually - do a search yourself on "mirror kicking", "ulocks as a weapon" "smashy smash" posts as well as the predictable posts of vigilantism a la the "nutter".
    Remember - I dont start or encourage these posts - I merely highlight them and a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to discredit me when I do - instead of genuinely condemning the "nutter" type posts. It seems they can be ignored (tacit approval) or condoned at ease when I am not around!


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Many. I dont intend to work out the exact proportion though
    A rough estimate will do. You clearly had something in your mind when you made the statement in the first place. Surely you can back up your statement (and if you cannot, you should withdraw it)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Dead right too, why let the facts get in the way :rolleyes:
    Discredit the messenger - say nothing of the "nutter" and his ilk. Discredit the messenger I say - maybe he will go away


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Beasty wrote: »
    A rough estimate will do. You clearly had something in your mind when you made the statement in the first place. Surely you can back up your statement (and if you cannot, you should withdraw it)
    Many posters on this forum have posted, condoned or advocated criminal acts. Do you agree with this statement or not?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Many posters on this forum have posted, condoned or advocated criminal acts. Do you agree with this statement or not?
    How many do you consider "many"? Give me a number?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭seanbmc


    Was approaching a roundabout and knowing that the road would split into two lanes I pulled in somewhat to allow cars behind to pass. Sure enough one did, then just as I was almost at the line a van pulled around me and nearly pushed me off the road. I slapped the van to let him know I existed, but he was not happy about this fact. He wound down the window and started yelling at me, so I bet a hasty retreat across the footpath and junction to the left onto the cycle lane (the next junction is to the hospital, its not busy...anyways not the best thing to do but I wanted to get away). While I was doing that he had sped up and pulled in ahead of me, and started yelling at me again. I told him (well shouted back, I wasn't going near the van) that he nearly knocked me off, him shouting back that he didn't, blah blah. When he started to get out I legged it, luckily he didn't follow me further.

    The thing that really annoyed me was that either way I was in a bad situation, I'm sure I would've run into him or been run into if I hadn't hit the van, but either way I still got a run in. The fact that he pulled in up the road to yell at me, getting in the way of other traffic, confirmed to me what a giant asshat he was.

    The other annoying thing is I went closer to the footpath to be polite to other road users and as reward this happened. From now on I'm sticking to the middle of the lane and I don't care how slow I may appear to drivers.

    So that was my friday!

    Similar thing happened to me one morning. Was cycling over a bridge in Santry,pretty steep one. There was a lot of traffic building up so I decided to move on up to the footpath. All the cars were stopped and there was a corner up ahead,in the corner of my eye I see this car go straight up onto the footpath beside me .nearly knocking me off. So I proceeded to bang the window with my elbow,car slams on the breaks and winds down the window,I couldn`t really hear what he said but it had the word fcuking twat in there somewhere. He came up behind and reved at me a bit before turning,I just cycled on :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭SleepDoc


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The name's Tim, whats yours, Joe?
    Its quite a common theme actually - do a search yourself on "mirror kicking", "ulocks as a weapon" "smashy smash" posts as well as the predictable posts of vigilantism a la the "nutter".
    Remember - I dont start or encourage these posts - I merely highlight them and a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to discredit me when I do - instead of genuinely condemning the "nutter" type posts. It seems they can be ignored (tacit approval) or condoned at ease when I am not around!

    I did a search on mirror kicking and found this.

    Unreasonable mods in cycling forum
    I appear to be banned from the cycling forum but have not received any notification of the ban or reason for it. Please help. Ihave had a dispute with a category mederator "uberwolf" regarding his/her non action over posts that gleefully admit to acts of criminal damage by cyclists against cars/drivers.
    The double standards on the forum is breath taking in the extreme. But the lack of courtesy to explain or notify me of my ban is just bad manners. Please explain
    Tim


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The name's Tim, whats yours, Joe?
    Its quite a common theme actually - do a search yourself on "mirror kicking", "ulocks as a weapon" "smashy smash" posts as well as the predictable posts of vigilantism a la the "nutter".
    Mirror kicking
    Only one post in the top ten from cycling (and its you ;))
    ulocks weapon
    One match (quess who
    TimAllen
    )
    smashy smash
    Only 2 in cycling (and one is ..........
    TimAllen
    )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Beasty wrote: »
    How many do you consider "many"? Give me a number?
    I would say that approx once per week there is a post outlining/advocating or condoning criminal behaviour on this forum. Most posters choose to either say nothing of the post and continue posting on the thread or some condone the post in a "you shouldnt really do such criminal behaviour but I understand why you do" kind of way and some others actively agree and support such a criminal post.
    In this context, i.e. a tiny minority explicitly and unreservedly condemn such criminal posts, then I suggest that those who dont explicitly and unreservedly condemn such posts are the "many" to which I refer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Mirror kicking
    Only one post in the top ten from cycling (and its you ;))
    ulocks weapon
    One match (quess who
    TimAllen
    )
    smashy smash
    Only 2 in cycling (and one is ..........
    TimAllen
    )
    I think you need to learn the difference between narrow and broad searches.
    Narrow searches could be considered narrow minded;)


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    The name's Tim, whats yours, Joe?
    Its quite a common theme actually - do a search yourself on "mirror kicking", "ulocks as a weapon" "smashy smash" posts as well as the predictable posts of vigilantism a la the "nutter".
    Remember - I dont start or encourage these posts - I merely highlight them and a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to discredit me when I do - instead of genuinely condemning the "nutter" type posts. It seems they can be ignored (tacit approval) or condoned at ease when I am not around!
    Timothy

    You seem very reluctant to back up any of your statements with data that supports them. So let me provide you with a couple of facts.

    You first registered in December 2008 - almost exactly a year ago. In that time you have "contributed" to less than 30 threads in the Cycling forum, many of which had the type of "theme" you are talking about.

    Over the same period there have been over 5,800 threads started in the Cycling forum. Hence you can only have "highlighted" a maximum of 1 in every 200 threads. This does not suggest to me that this theme is particularly "common".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,180 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    TimAllen wrote: »
    It seems they can be ignored (tacit approval)

    That's not how it works in this forum.

    Strong approval is indicated by use of the "thanks". Disagreement is indicated by either (a) posting a reply quoting the issue in question and putting forward a counter-argument, or (b) ignoring the post.

    The ambiguity is deliberate and by design; there is no "anti-thanks" button. These social conventions allow people with strongly opposing views to co-habit the forum without dragging every thread into a slanging match and forcing the mods to (for instance) abandon a pleasant Saturday evening of bike fettling and casual boards-surfing and wade into another idiotic scrap.

    Be nice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭SleepDoc


    TimAllen wrote: »
    I think you need to learn the difference between narrow and broad searches.
    Narrow searches could be considered narrow minded;)

    I think you need to learn the difference between having an opinion based on actual evidence and data, and having an opinion based on your own personal bias against cyclists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    TimAllen wrote: »
    Many posters on this forum have posted, condoned or advocated criminal acts. Do you agree with this statement or not?

    Using your own standards, the repeated condemnations of cyclists for 'criminal acts' whilst 'ignoring' the criminal acts of motorists described in the same (and other) threads implies approval of these acts, which suggests hypocrisy on your part.

    Do you agree with this statement or not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    droidus wrote: »
    Using your own standards, the repeated condemnations of cyclists for 'criminal acts' whilst 'ignoring' the criminal acts of motorists described in the same (and other) threads implies approval of these acts, which suggests hypocrisy on your part.

    Do you agree with this statement or not?
    I do not actively participate in a debate where criminal behaviour is being boasted/condoned or advocated and remain silent on the matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    TimAllen wrote: »
    I do not actively participate in a debate where criminal behaviour is being boasted/condoned or advocated and remain silent on the matter.
    I suggest that those who dont explicitly and unreservedly condemn such posts are the "many" to which I refer
    By your own logic, your failure to 'explicitly and unreservedly condemn' the criminal acts of motorists described on this thread suggests you approve of these acts.

    Why do you condemn the criminal acts of cyclists but approve the criminal acts of motorists?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    TimAllen wrote: »
    I do not actively participate in a debate where criminal behaviour is being boasted/condoned or advocated and remain silent on the matter.
    Not really living up to the standards you expect of others then ;)


    BTW
    Debate
    • noun 1 a formal discussion in a public meeting or legislature, in which opposing arguments are presented. 2 an argument.

    • verb 1 discuss or argue about. 2 consider; ponder.

    Rant
    • verb speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.

    • noun a spell of ranting.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Lumen wrote: »
    That's not how it works in this forum.

    Strong approval is indicated by use of the "thanks". Disagreement is indicated by either (a) posting a reply quoting the issue in question and putting forward a counter-argument, or (b) ignoring the post.

    The ambiguity is deliberate and by design; there is no "anti-thanks" button. These social conventions allow people with strongly opposing views to co-habit the forum without dragging every thread into a slanging match and forcing the mods to (for instance) abandon a pleasant Saturday evening of bike fettling and casual boards-surfing and wade into another idiotic scrap.

    Be nice.
    Perhaps if this was the way this forum actually worked then the gusto with which many posters choose to discredit or attempt to ridicule my point of view as expressed on this forum would be entirely unnecessary. But this being the cycling forum, users here tend to ignore the convention you outlined and tend to articulate their "anti thanks" to an extent that silence can reasonably, in this forum , be taken as approval.
    The inferrence of your second last sentence is not worthy of you


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    "Tedious bickering" - you confused the hell out of me with that quick switch Lumen!

    NB - post 888 - not quite the number of the Beast, but 3 fat ladies will have to do:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,180 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Beasty wrote: »
    "Tedious bickering" - you confused the hell out of me with that quick switch Lumen!

    For the sake of clarity (and ease of moderation) I moved all this bollix into a new thread and temporarily closed the original one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Lumen wrote: »
    For the sake of clarity (and ease of moderation) I moved all this bollix into a new thread and temporarily closed the original one.

    I feel so dirty being associated with this thread now :P


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    In fairness Tim, you've been asked to justify what you say with figures, you can't therefore I for one just see your posts as amussing rants by a clever comedian. Due to your inability to justify what you've said , I couldn't possibly allow myself to take such nonsense as being serious. A good sense of humour is very good quality and unfortunately some of the posters here don't get your humour and think that your posts are serious.

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    In fairness Tim, you've been asked to justify what you say with figures, you can't therefore I for one just see your posts as amussing rants by a clever comedian. Due to your inability to justify what you've said , I couldn't possibly allow myself to take such nonsense as being serious. A good sense of humour is very good quality and unfortunately some of the posters here don't get your humour and think that your posts are serious.
    Nice try, but the only joke I've seen is your feeble debating skills. I suppose if you cant dazzle them with brillance then baffle 'em with bull$hit:pac::pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Doctor Bob


    Lumen wrote: »
    For the sake of clarity (and ease of moderation) I moved all this bollix into a new thread and temporarily closed the original one.

    So does that mean this thread is sort of a no-holds-barred cage fight? Coooooooool! :D I look forward to catching up over breakfast.

    But seriously...

    Tim- why do you insist on seeing silence as tacit approval? Because it suits your agenda seems too neat an interpretation, but if not that, then what? Might I suggest that you try seeing it as tacit disapproval? I suspect it would put quite a different spin on things.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    Well, at least I've never run out of petrol

    https://ormondelanguagetours.com

    Walking Tours of Kilkenny in English, French or German.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Well, at least I've never run out of petrol
    because thats what this thread is about:rolleyes:


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,351 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    TimAllen wrote: »
    because thats what this thread is about:rolleyes:
    Er ... yea ... Lumen re-branded it ... remember?
    If anything qualifies as tedious bickering, surely this does:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Doctor Bob wrote: »
    So does that mean this thread is sort of a no-holds-barred cage fight? Coooooooool! :D I look forward to catching up over breakfast.

    But seriously...

    Tim- why do you insist on seeing silence as tacit approval? Because it suits your agenda seems too neat an interpretation, but if not that, then what? Might I suggest that you try seeing it as tacit disapproval? I suspect it would put quite a different spin on things.
    In any other forum I would agree but, as I have said already, the posters on this forum make a point of explicitly stating disapproval to anything they dont like.
    Just look at any thread I contribute to. Even when they want to ignore me, they cant do it without actually posting to say so (the irony is brillant). SerialComplaint was the latest to do, on a different thread, this evening - made me chuckle though!
    If the posters spent half the effort discrediting or chastising the posts you infer they disapprove of, as they do actively and pointedly chastising or disapproving of my posts then maybe I wouldnt feel the need to highlight the hypocrisy with as much gusto


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭TimAllen


    Beasty wrote: »
    Er ... yea ... Lumen re-branded it ... remember?
    If anything qualifies as tedious bickering, surely this does:D
    well done on the tedious bit ... your parents are, I'm sure, very proud:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    Seeing as this is 'tedious bickering' I'd like to draw some attention to the post which started this, the one I 'tacitly condone' by the simple act of not reading it til a few minutes ago. You're giving out about the poster claimimg he sent some people to the hospital, yet you ignore the reason for it, ie, the attempted assault with a car. Hypocrisy again Tim.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭c0rk3r


    Nothing says train wreck like mspaint.

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    Van Gets too Close to cyclist

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    Cyclist touches van to warn of his existence

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    Van driver protects his van like his teenager daughters virginity

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    Brought to you by the "line" tool in mspaint.

    Feel free to add your own


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