civdef wrote: »

Have there really been no significant developments on this subject for nearly a week, i.e. consultations?

I find it astonishing that the NGBs on the FCP act so tight lipped, giving absolutely no guidance to their members. Then when things go poorly they have the cheek to turn around and criticise people for acting independently.

Has anyone even got a "We talked and are in ongoing discussion, the ABCD would like its members to refrain from any contact with TDs etc at the moment until we can clarify our position"

Trojan911 wrote: »

Just heard on the local radio (Corks 96FM) news at 10 this evening that the Government has indicated a blanket ban on the issue of all legally held handguns, which could be imminent.

No link as yet but I have just spoken to the newsdesk to confirm I was hearing right.

Is this the beginning of the end?

Not going to happen for legally held pistols especially those used for hunting and finishing off deer. its unrealistic and dangerous to finish off a fallen deer with a rifle it has to be done with a pistol.

End of argument.

Jonty wrote: »

Sorry there, but no pistols are used for hunting in this country.

I agree you dont' hunt with pistols but the law states if you are hunting deer with a Rifle and you dont finish a deer off with one shot you're allowed use a pistol to finish the job off. its law = end of

Quote:
Originally Posted by NOGMaxpower
"I agree you dont' hunt with pistols but the law states if you are hunting deer with a Rifle and you dont finish a deer off with one shot you're allowed use a pistol to finish the job off. its law = end of "

Never heard of that law, could it be the "use whatever means" thing in the wildlife act that refers to an injured animal (and i think that is more directed at road traffic collisions), where you can dispatch it with a firearm not meeting the minimum calibre/power restrictions so as to have the least amount of suffering for the beast? Im very intrested to hear where this comes from

[url]www.independant.co.uk:80/news/world/africa/craft-guns-fuel-west-africa-crime-epidemic-862597.html[/url]

Minister Aherne/Gardai/DOJ please take note.

While this may be somwhat OT.I thought this was well intresting reading on the fact that even poorer countries than ours can make a indusrty of supplying all and sundry with firearms to those who want and need them.
Even if you ban all the legallly held stuff,somhow manage to restrict the criminally held shipments.
Guns will still exist in some shape or form here,and unless you go and liscense every hacksaw,file,hand drill and bit of water pipe,not to mind the Net as well.Those who want a gun will get one by hook or crook,or by their own ingeunity.Granted,they are not up to a factory made custom handgun.But if it is for whatever needs a person needs it for it is enough.

This is just one example in modern times.The Afghans,the Phillipinos,The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto in ww2,The Isrealis[the UZI ,was originally concived in a basement workshop],even our lot the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries built their own.
Make all the laws you want.You cannot legislate human ingenuity or determination away.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

www.independant.co.uk:80/news/world/africa/craft-guns-fuel-west-africa-crime-epidemic-862597.html

Minister Aherne/Gardai/DOJ please take note.

While this may be somwhat OT.I thought this was well intresting reading on the fact that even poorer countries than ours can make a indusrty of supplying all and sundry with firearms to those who want and need them.
Even if you ban all the legallly held stuff,somhow manage to restrict the criminally held shipments.
Guns will still exist in some shape or form here,and unless you go and liscense every hacksaw,file,hand drill and bit of water pipe,not to mind the Net as well.Those who want a gun will get one by hook or crook,or by their own ingeunity.Granted,they are not up to a factory made custom handgun.But if it is for whatever needs a person needs it for it is enough.

This is just one example in modern times.The Afghans,the Phillipinos,The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto in ww2,The Isrealis[the UZI ,was originally concived in a basement workshop],even our lot the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries built their own.
Make all the laws you want.You cannot legislate human ingenuity or determination away.

Point well made Grizzly, I remember inspecting early Viet Cong weapons made with piping for a barrel, door bolts for bolts, nails for firing pins and fired with a hammer (claw or ballpien, choice of user).

Unfortunately for us Ahern is not interested in doing something constructive. He has just been waiting in the long grass to do us.

big between 1,200 guns in the headline and 27 handguns which is what he talking about isn't he, 27...

Be under no illusions - he has his sights set on ALL firearms.

Legally held pistols and revolvers are only the sharp end of the wedge and the banning of them should not be accepted by ANYONE who holds a firearms certificate.


B'Man

Interesting how the comment "fight against the surging gun culture in Ireland" would sound a lot different if it were;

"fighting against the surging gay culture ..."
"fighting against the surging video game culture ..."
"fighting against the surging alternative medicine culture ..."

If the minister is dubbing firearms owners a sub-culture in its own right he is singling them out as a group. Any ban or de-facto ban would have to work its way around the 2000 EU Equality Act (the same one that stop bar tenders from putting up "over 21s only" signs or not letting travellers drink in the pub).

I have emailed several politians and recieved a response from the minister for justice that is the same as was posted earlier here, however this is an email i recieved from Mr C Flanagan, FG spokesperson on justice on the issue.

Dear ......,
Thank you for your recent email.

Fine Gael believes that any proposed changes to legislation should at all times be based on reliable research and best practice.
Fine Gael believes that public safety must be the paramount guiding principle informing policy and legislation in respect of firearms. If the current legislative provisions in respect of firearms are creating a danger to public safety, then appropriate steps must be taken. Accordingly, if the Minister for Justice has evidence that the increased number of firearms licences in the country is posing a threat to public safety, then options such as restricting licences to sporting facilities that meet approved criteria should be considered.
Fine Gael is extremely concerned that the Minister is focusing on legally held firearms to shift attention away from the far more serious problem caused by illegal firearms in the State. It is common knowledge that criminal gangs have easy access to dangerous firearms and there is evidence that they travel overseas to avail to top of the range training facilities. Fine Gael is urging the Minister for Justice to direct his attention in the first instance towards the serious matter of illegal firearms as part of a broader effort to tackle criminality in this country.
Yours sincerely,
Charlie Flanagan TD

Red Renard wrote: »

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This cache involved cross border corporation with the Garda.
Some of this shipment involved southern crimals. This shipment consistent of 150 firearms, machine pistols, night vision, silencers, drugs,others. The
scale of the drug problem in Ireland is out of control.€€€

Seized in Amsterdam ....

months ago: Partial view of more than 150 firearms which were displayed by the Criminal Investigation Department in Amsterdam on September 4, 2008. Dutch authorities have arrested four people after uncovering an arms cache in Amsterdam destined for a Northern Irish trafficking syndicate, the national prosecution service said Thursday. The find was part of a joint investigation by authorities from the Netherlands and Northern Ireland into a syndicate dealing in illegal weapons, drugs and cigarette smuggling.