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Dublin Metrolink (just Metrolink posts here -see post #1 )

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  • #2952
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Right, but they're DART lines that would just upgrade Commuter services, rather than an entirely new line.

    But they won't "just upgrade" commuter services. They will link the north and south and west of the city and increase the population that will have a useful rail service.

    There are parts of Dublin that have no rail services despite railways passing through them. DU opens these parts of the city up. You seem to think it's merely just a link from Inchicore/Heuston to GCDock. It isn't. But if that's how you view it there's little that I can say or have said that will change your mind.

    I have threatened all semester to plug some data into a GIS for the last few months but have been swamped but I would be willing to bet that the results would be fairly conclusive that the population served and the new commutes available with DU would dwarf MN. Final project is due on Friday so once that's in I'll give it a bash.

    I want MN built. But not at the expense of DU.


  • #2953
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I have no disagreement that they should be built simultaneously, but I wouldn't agree that a cost/benefit analysis would necessarily show DU as more vital than MN - particularly not when you factor in the increase in multinationals in the city and the proposed "airport city" as well as increased hotel capacity at the airport.

    What about instead of serving these ethereal developments we start serving the 100s and 1000s of people who actually live in the GDA who have a sh!te transport system and a ****ter life as a result. Citizens are way more important than tourists. And an hour on the 39A etc is unacceptable as a commute for any human in 2017.

    Plus, the increased capacity of hotels is not a reason to build a new railway line if the entire expanse of Lucan and Blanchardstown never warranted anything outside of a couple railway stations (placed in stupid places). Come on man.


  • #2954
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    But they won't "just upgrade" commuter services. They will link the north and south and west of the city and increase the population that will have a useful rail service.

    To me, that's still just an upgrade of the existing services, it doesn't expand any catchment areas very much for commuters. Maynooth line already connects with Connolly, and the Hazelhatch/Newbridge lines now also have connection with the existing DART network via PPT.
    There are parts of Dublin that have no rail services despite railways passing through them. DU opens these parts of the city up. You seem to think it's merely just a link from Inchicore/Heuston to GCDock. It isn't. But if that's how you view it there's little that I can say or have said that will change your mind.

    If that's not all it is, then what else is it? Aside from the few new City centre underground stations, I don't see how DU would open up new parts of Dublin to rail services?
    I have threatened all semester to plug some data into a GIS for the last few months but have been swamped but I would be willing to bet that the results would be fairly conclusive that the population served and the new commutes available with DU would dwarf MN. Final project is due on Friday so once that's in I'll give it a bash.

    I want MN built. But not at the expense of DU.

    I would enjoy seeing this to be honest - what I disagreed with originally was your statement that "Even a cursory glance at many people's lives will be improved by DU over MN is plain to see", as I don't believe that is all that plain to see, but with relevant data I'd be happy to accept that it's true.


  • #2955
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I believe DU is far more important than MN, because it develops a current network that is struggling. It doesn't just improve services for existing customers. It improves the service to allow additional customers and new commutes. When you pit DU against MN (and we shouldn't) MN is the very obvious lower key project. MN is a new build and will indeed (if ever built) embrace a whole load of new journies and no doubt remove cars from the roads. But DU is required fix the existing network that can't possibly take many more bandaids. All that said I was always in favour of both being built together. What a service both would offer to Dublin city and beyond.

    While I agree very much with the rest of your post, these are the assertions that I don't like - while you might be correct that it is lower key, simply stating that it's "very obvious" isn't all that convincing - gimme something to back that up!


  • #2956
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,272 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    MJohnston wrote: »
    While I agree very much with the rest of your post, these are the assertions that I don't like - while you might be correct that it is lower key, simply stating that it's "very obvious" isn't all that convincing - gimme something to back that up!

    I will once I have the chance. Its very important that the benefits of DU and MN are discussed, despite the current Governments complete disregard for them.


  • #2957
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    We need both. MN and DU have completely different remits and bring massive improvements to different parts of the city. Both should be prioritised - there's no choosing. You can't compare them.


  • #2958
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    marno21 wrote: »
    there's no choosing. You can't compare them.

    Unfortunately the government can and will compare and choose between then


  • #2959
    yannakis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭yannakis


    Do we know what's the plan in regards to the vehicles of MN? Are they going to use DART trains, LUAS trams, or something completely new? In the beginning it sounds weird to put trams underground, but in Brussels central station for example there's long distance trains on ground level, Metro on -1 and Trams on -2!!

    Would it be ideal to have one single line eventually all the way from Bride's Glen to Estuary?


  • #2960
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    NougatPlease wrote: »
    Do we know what's the plan in regards to the vehicles of MN? Are they going to use DART trains, LUAS trams, or something completely new? In the beginning it sounds weird to put trams underground, but in Brussels central station for example there's long distance trains on ground level, Metro on -1 and Trams on -2!!

    Would it be ideal to have one single line eventually all the way from Bride's Glen to Estuary?
    It's standard gauge light rail so pretty much Luas.

    I have always been of the opinion that the project should have capitalised off the Luas brand from the beginning rather than a new 'Metro' name.


  • #2961
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Peregrine wrote: »
    It's standard gauge light rail so pretty much Luas.

    I have always been of the opinion that the project should have capitalised off the Luas brand from the beginning rather than a new 'Metro' name.

    H-an Luas? Luas mór?


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  • #2962
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    NougatPlease wrote: »
    Do we know what's the plan in regards to the vehicles of MN? Are they going to use DART trains, LUAS trams, or something completely new? In the beginning it sounds weird to put trams underground, but in Brussels central station for example there's long distance trains on ground level, Metro on -1 and Trams on -2!!

    Would it be ideal to have one single line eventually all the way from Bride's Glen to Estuary?

    Trams go underground in Cologne. Many of their lines do in fact. The LUAS should have gone underground in the city centre.


  • #2963
    yannakis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭yannakis


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Trams go underground in Cologne. Many of their lines do in fact. The LUAS should have gone underground in the city centre.

    True! Every time I see the new tracks laid down between Parnell St and Grafton the only thing I can think of is the crawling speed of the trams :D:D


  • #2964
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    What about instead of serving these ethereal developments we start serving the 100s and 1000s of people who actually live in the GDA who have a sh!te transport system and a ****ter life as a result. Citizens are way more important than tourists. And an hour on the 39A etc is unacceptable as a commute for any human in 2017.

    Plus, the increased capacity of hotels is not a reason to build a new railway line if the entire expanse of Lucan and Blanchardstown never warranted anything outside of a couple railway stations (placed in stupid places). Come on man.
    I don't understand how DU will impact any of the 39 route commute times?


  • #2965
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,038 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    I don't understand how DU will impact any of the 39 route commute times?
    The 39 would not exist in a post DU-Dublin. In Munich (similar size to Dublin but with its interconnector already built) a route like the 39 does not exist. Buses feed the rail network there. They don't "compete" with it.

    If DU was built, there would be a high frequency DART service on the Maynooth line. The 39 buses currently running more or less parallel to the Maynooth line would be redeployed to feed into it. Instead of an awful commute from Ongar to town, you'd take a frequent bus to Clonsilla station (or wherever) and hop on a frequent DART to take you the rest of the way.


  • #2966
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    murphaph wrote: »

    If DU was built, there would be a high frequency DART service on the Maynooth line.

    My understanding of the NTA announcement in 2015 was that, effectively, DU is back to the drawing board but the remainder of the "Expansion" project was going ahead at some unknown stage.

    So DART to Maynooth and EU don't seem to be that related IMO.


  • #2967
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    murphaph wrote: »
    The 39 would not exist in a post DU-Dublin. In Munich (similar size to Dublin but with its interconnector already built) a route like the 39 does not exist. Buses feed the rail network there. They don't "compete" with it.

    If DU was built, there would be a high frequency DART service on the Maynooth line. The 39 buses currently running more or less parallel to the Maynooth line would be redeployed to feed into it. Instead of an awful commute from Ongar to town, you'd take a frequent bus to Clonsilla station (or wherever) and hop on a frequent DART to take you the rest of the way.

    What he said. :)

    ---

    Trams also go underground in Hannover


  • #2968
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    murphaph wrote: »

    If DU was built, there would be a high frequency DART service on the Maynooth line. The 39 buses currently running more or less parallel to the Maynooth line would be redeployed to feed into it. Instead of an awful commute from Ongar to town, you'd take a frequent bus to Clonsilla station (or wherever) and hop on a frequent DART to take you the rest of the way.

    Because Dublin has a long history of successfully running connection services between different transport modes? :confused:


  • #2969
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    So because we did it arseways in the past we shouldn't do it at all?

    Ireland has a long history of making a balls of lots of things. But should we just shrug our shoulders and go "oh bejaysus" about every new potential improvement?

    Better rail connections takes cars off the road which improves bus times which improves rail connectivity which takes cars off the road...


  • #2970
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    So because we did it arseways in the past we shouldn't do it at all?

    Ireland has a long history of making a balls of lots of things. But should we just shrug our shoulders and go "oh bejaysus" about every new potential improvement?

    Better rail connections takes cars off the road which improves bus times which improves rail connectivity which takes cars off the road...

    I'm all for rail connections over everything else, its the way to go.

    But putting forward plans that failed in the past and expecting them to succeed while the causes of failure are all still in place is naive in the extreme


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  • #2971
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Bambi wrote: »
    I'm all for rail connections over everything else, its the way to go.

    But putting forward plans that failed in the past and expecting them to succeed while the causes of failure are all still in place is naive in the extreme

    But that's not at all what's being said.

    The rail feeder idea is that, an idea for when we have proper frequent rail services.

    The hope is that "the causes of failure" will have been banished by then.


  • #2972
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,038 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Bambi wrote: »
    Because Dublin has a long history of successfully running connection services between different transport modes? :confused:
    If we can't get a proper handle on these things then DU is a waste of time.


  • #2973
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    murphaph wrote: »
    If we can't get a proper handle on these things then DU is a waste of time.

    If we can't get a proper handle on these things then everything is a waste of time, tbh.


  • #2974
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    The hope is that "the causes of failure" will have been banished by then.


    Who knows? We might even have an integrated travel card by then, mar dhea


  • #2975
    1huge1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Was/is there to be a midterm capital investment plan review this month? I remember people mentioning it a while back in the hope that the Metro North timeline would be brought forward.

    Has anyone heard anything on this?


  • #2976
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Bambi wrote: »
    Who knows? We might even have an integrated travel card by then, mar dhea

    Is leap not integrated enough yet for ya?

    What do you actually want? We're a sham in this kip at the best of times, but do people actually know what they want? What's wrong with leap?

    There's so many things that could be done differently but you do realise how difficult the logistics and intransigence that the NTA are working with here from all sorts of stakeholders right?
    Leap is one of the success stories. And the fact that it is now integrated with Dublin Bikes and available in the other cities for use shows just what a success it is.

    There's much work to be done to get it to where other similar systems are but Jesus, things take time.


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  • #2977
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Is leap not integrated enough yet for ya?

    What do you actually want? We're a sham in this kip at the best of times, but do people actually know what they want? What's wrong with leap?

    There's so many things that could be done differently but you do realise how difficult the logistics and intransigence that the NTA are working with here from all sorts of stakeholders right?
    Leap is one of the success stories. And the fact that it is now integrated with Dublin Bikes and available in the other cities for use shows just what a success it is.

    There's much work to be done to get it to where other similar systems are but Jesus, things take time.
    If the actual transport infrastructure itself was to the same standard as Leap, there would be a lot less complaining around here. Leap is the least of our worires.


  • #2978
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    marno21 wrote: »
    If the actual transport infrastructure itself was to the same standard as Leap, there would be a lot less complaining around here. Leap is the least of our worires.

    I know it is. And yet people continue to moan about it. It's mental.

    For a country with seemingly epic ability to complain (you'd swear we were Danish or German and spoiled with such high standards throughout our lives) when things (apparently) go wrong (Eircode[the bellyaching that continues about this drives me spare]) or don't work (Eircode [didn't work with Google Maps on day one]/Leap [apparently it's not integrated enough]), we really don't help ourselves when we vote for charlatans and shysters and leftie loons who have no coherent plan about improving society. And when we do have people with plans (no fan of James Reilly but I was all for Universal Health Insurance), it seems to come down to the apparent bottom line and not the societal good.

    We're a sham of a people. An absolute sham.


  • #2979
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Is leap not integrated enough yet for ya?

    You would have thought that being 10 years late and double its budget it would be integrated out the yazoo, but nope. People are still using LEAP like virtual coins on dublin bus :confused:.

    Literally half the job for twice the price once more

    Which is why the idea of integrated anything in this country makes me chuckle


  • #2980
    MICKEYG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Bambi wrote: »
    You would have thought that being 10 years late and double its budget it would be integrated out the yazoo, but nope. People are still using LEAP like virtual coins on dublin bus :confused:.

    Literally half the job for twice the price once more

    Which is why the idea of integrated anything in this country makes me chuckle

    I am as big a critic of the delays in infrastructure delivery and the lack of ambition as anyone but I use LEAP and it works very well for me. Where do you feel it is lacking?


  • #2981
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    MICKEYG wrote: »
    I am as big a critic of the delays in infrastructure delivery and the lack of ambition as anyone but I use LEAP and it works very well for me. Where do you feel it is lacking?

    Just in case you're quoting posts without reading them :D:

    People are still using LEAP like virtual coins on dublin bus

    that and the previosuly mentioned 20 odd million that got thrown onto its budget to push it live

    I'm northsider so I don't get to use fabbalus new contraptions like the luas and dart. How is the integration going there? Swipe your leap card on the bus then hop onto a luas/dart and its all counted as one journey when you hop off? :confused:


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  • #2982
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    MICKEYG wrote: »
    I am as big a critic of the delays in infrastructure delivery and the lack of ambition as anyone but I use LEAP and it works very well for me. Where do you feel it is lacking?

    Having to pay for a second mode of transport (albeit discounted). That is not how integrated ticketing works.


  • #2983
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Bambi wrote: »
    Just in case you're quoting posts without reading them :D:

    People are still using LEAP like virtual coins on dublin bus

    that and the previosuly mentioned 20 odd million that got thrown onto its budget to push it live

    I'm northsider so I don't get to use fabbalus new contraptions like the luas and dart. How is the integration going there? Swipe your leap card on the bus then hop onto a luas/dart and its all counted as one journey when you hop off? :confused:

    In fairness, the bolded is not the fault of Leap itself really, it's a problem for Dublin Bus to sort out.

    Integrated transfers is the one big failing of Leap right now I agree with that, but again, arguably that's down to the inability of the multiple service providers to get their **** together and allow for transfers between them.


  • #2984
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    MJohnston wrote: »
    In fairness, the bolded is not the fault of Leap itself really, it's a problem for Dublin Bus to sort out.

    Integrated transfers is the one big failing of Leap right now I agree with that, but again, arguably that's down to the inability of the multiple service providers to get their **** together and allow for transfers between them.

    Which goes back to my original point that:
    putting forward plans that failed in the past and expecting them to succeed while the causes of failure are all still in place is naive in the extreme


  • #2985
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mod: Can we keep to Metro North, and discussions of ticketing/leap should be kept to a thread like this.


  • #2986
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    "Metro North construction may be brought forward"

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/metro-north-construction-may-be-brought-forward-1.2957390

    Great news if true.


  • #2987
    MJohnston
    Registered Users Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    It would be massive pressure relief on 3 counts - Dublin Airport connection, general Dublin area transport, and the housing shortage. For me, this and DU are absolute no-brainers for expenditure.

    If ministers want to attract people here due to Brexit, we absolutely need these infrastructure improvements in the Dublin area.


  • #2988
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,899 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Great news. But the currently proposed dates are a farce. There is mention of the many benefits in article that mn will bring. Why not just go with the original scheme and show some vision for a change?! What will metro inferior actually "save" that's what I'd like to know...


    05.10.11
    "An Bord Pleanála said today that the Metro North application process cost €69,461. The permission is in place for the next ten years and also covers the acquisition of lands currently owned by Fingal County Council and the Dublin Airport Authority, as well as land occupied by Whitehall Rangers FC and Na Fianna GAA."

    https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/metro-north-planning-permission-approved-246137-Oct2011/%3Famp%3D1


  • #2989
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Agreed. As I said on SSC, bringing it up to 2019 isn't much of an indication of anything in reality. It's political positioning at best.


  • #2990
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,570 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Department of Public Expenditure Reform are due to issue a statement at 3pm on the mid-term review of the capital plan so we should know more soon enough.


  • #2991
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,899 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    planning irish style, in 2015 announce MN is off, suggest a metro north cheap version immediately for completion in 2027, a year later. the new scheme proposal on the never never, suggest bringing metro north inferior date forward :rolleyes:


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  • #2992
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,570 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    They allocated an additional €5bn to the capital expenditure plan last summer, they've basically announced a review to determine how it will be spent. No specific mention of Metro North in the plan. It's pretty scant on detail.

    Ministers Donohoe and Noonan set out approach to mid-term review of the Capital Plan
    ... “This Government is strongly committed to meeting priority public capital needs. This commitment is clearly evidenced by the additional €5 billion allocated to capital spending in last year’s Summer Economic Statement ...


  • #2993
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,899 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Submissions for the first phase of the review will be sought from Departments and key stakeholders and a public consultation will also be undertaken to inform the review (details to be announced over the coming period).
    I look forward to this, snowballs chance in hell, but I will be asking for MN original to be put back on the cards, DU is done at this stage in terms of its going to be longer plan, planning has lapsed. there is no way MN should go through everything again for the changes proposed , some of which might not even get approval, like the surface running in ballymun, why if it wasnt acceptable the first time round, will it be now? EXCEPT that they had to throw enough mickey mouse money savers in, to justify not going with or delaying the original scheme in the first place :mad::rolleyes:

    I cant wait for these public consultations!


  • #2994
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,487 ✭✭✭plodder


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I look forward to this, snowballs chance in hell, but I will be asking for MN original to be put back on the cards, DU is done at this stage in terms of its going to be longer plan, planning has lapsed. there is no way MN should go through everything again for the changes proposed , some of which might not even get approval, like the surface running in ballymun, why if it wasnt acceptable the first time round, will it be now? EXCEPT that they had to throw enough mickey mouse money savers in, to justify not going with or delaying the original scheme in the first place :mad::rolleyes:

    I cant wait for these public consultations!
    Couldn't agree more. The cost cutting was completely bogus and economically unjustified. Just read in the Irish Times today that DART underground is becoming more unlikely by the day, with a plan in to develop a site needed for a DU station. Shouldn't be allowed to happen, but the longer you keep a plan on ice, the more likely stuff like this is.


  • #2995
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    plodder wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. The cost cutting was completely bogus and economically unjustified. Just read in the Irish Times today that DART underground is becoming more unlikely by the day, with a plan in to develop a site needed for a DU station. Shouldn't be allowed to happen, but the longer you keep a plan on ice, the more likely stuff like this is.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/dart-underground-could-be-derailed-by-plans-for-office-block-1.2958453


  • #2996
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Mod: I have reopened the DU thread. The above post refers to DU and should be replied to there. DU is not on topic for this thread.


  • #2997
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    MJohnston wrote: »
    It would be massive pressure relief on 3 counts - Dublin Airport connection, general Dublin area transport, and the housing shortage. For me, this and DU are absolute no-brainers for expenditure.

    If ministers want to attract people here due to Brexit, we absolutely need these infrastructure improvements in the Dublin area.

    And a bypass somewhere outside Ahascragh so the rural folk can feel like they're equal to the primary city on the island.


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    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    And a bypass somewhere outside Ahascragh so the rural folk can feel like they're equal to the primary city on the island.

    No, Ahascragh has a main road as wide as O'Connell St. It just needs to be resurfaced.

    :)


  • #2999
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,066 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dublin City Gazette says New Metro North hopes derailed by Shane Ross https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/dublincityfeb2?utm_source=2017W5_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email qoutes him as saying little hope of accelerating due to amount of planning work that needs to be done.


  • #3000
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,500 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Time for Ross to be given this treatment to be honest.

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  • #3001
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    expectationlost wrote: »
    Dublin City Gazette says New Metro North hopes derailed by Shane Ross https://issuu.com/robheigh/docs/dublincityfeb2?utm_source=2017W5_subscribers&utm_campaign=Digest&utm_medium=email qoutes him as saying little hope of accelerating due to amount of planning work that needs to be done.
    If only we had a plan already..


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