yortem wrote: » This operation going on in gaza is necessary. answer me one quastion: what would your country do if some terrorist fire rocket on their cities (not on idf bases... on cities! civilians!) every day? what they would do? nothing? rockets on new york or london will be fine by them?
yortem wrote: » you didnt answer my quastion. we didnt "wipe" nobody. we got this land by rights - by the united nations! no country was her before us and we didnt force the people who lived here to go away.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Ok, here we go… 1. Not sure about administrative zones, and I don’t really think it matters. The majority of Palestinians in the west bank are under the Palestinian authority’s control, and the roads that the Palestinians are not allowed on are there because Israeli traffic was constantly attacked on the roads. 2. If you spend money on rockets and war, how will you have money to build infrastructure? The west bank is only now starting to recover from the effects of all the years of fighting Israel. It will take time, but eventually if they stay on a peaceful track their life quality will be much improved. In addition, go and check the average quality of life in the rest of the Arab world. I think you would be surprised by what you find. 3. Settlements expand because it’s a natural process for any town/village/city – over time the population grows (mainly births) and more houses are needed. That’s the only settlement growth out there at the moment. There are no new settlements (unless they are illegal, and Israeli fanatics love those), no land grabs or anything similar. 4. The barrier stopped suicide bombers and that’s the only justification it needs. When peace comes, the barrier will no longer be needed. Until then – it is better that Israeli lives are kept safe by the barrier, than by the muzzles of guns and raids into the west bank. 5. The IDF doesn’t conduct raids because it is bored. They conduct raids to stop terrorism. In short, if all you have and all you do is dedicated to war, don’t be surprised that your life sucks.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » All I see here is a conspiracy theory, and no link that proves anything. I wasn't arguing about the fact that the Palestinians have ****ty infrastructure and ****ty lives, I'm just arguing that it is their fault for investing everything they have in fighting Israel instead of bettering their citizen's lives.
NewCorkLad wrote: » Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants. Bombing of hospitals and kids on a beach I think come under these headings.
NewCorkLad wrote: » Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. The first 3 parts seem accurate enough.
yortem wrote: » 2 days ago during an incident with terrorists i saw 1 of the terrorists holding gun in 1 hand and a baby in the other hand because he knew we wont hurt innocent civilians and he kept firing
Hamas using children as human shield (an old video but still relevant)
Nodin wrote: » Yes, hundreds of thousands were forced to flee. Secondly, he's referring to the occupied territories of Arab East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Golan etc.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » if the bombings are specifically targeting children and hospitals Where there is no terrorist activity you are correct. Israel does not target civilians they only target terror activity and locations but there is always collateral damage in war. Israel does not fire on hospitals, unless they are used for terrorist activities, and even then it supplies many warnings in advance. I am yet to see a terrorist notifying his potential victims in advance that an attack is coming.
end of the road wrote: » i expect them to obey international law and stop using jewdaeism and the holicost as an excuse for slaughter
yortem wrote: » we got this land by rights - by the united nations!
yortem wrote: » from the moment we got 'israel' the other arab countries around us started to attack us. before we took east jerusalem, west bank and golan. only 10 years after in the 6 days war (when we got attacked by 4 arab countries) we won as 1 army of new country against 4 strong armies from all directions. they tried to take what ours and we captured their land as part of a war to define borders. please read about the 6 days war on wikipedia and i hope you will understand.
yortem wrote: » you didnt answer my quastion. we didnt "wipe" nobody.
yortem wrote: » no country was her before us and we didnt force the people who lived here to go away.
Nodin wrote: » If you'd be as good as to get back to mehttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91386712&postcount=1479
yortem wrote: » from the moment we got 'israel' the other arab countries around us started to attack us.
yortem wrote: » before we took east jerusalem, west bank and golan. only 10 years after in the 6 days war (when we got attacked by 4 arab countries) we won as 1 army of new country against 4 strong armies from all directions. they tried to take what ours and we captured their land as part of a war to define borders.
yortem wrote: » please read about the 6 days war on wikipedia and i hope you will understand.
yortem wrote: » we didnt force the people who lived here to go away.
yortem wrote: » from the moment we got 'israel' the other arab countries around us started to attack us. before we took east jerusalem, west bank and golan. only 10 years after in the 6 days war (when we got attacked by 4 arab countries) we won as 1 army of new country against 4 strong armies from all directions. they tried to take what ours and we captured their land as part of a war to define borders.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Sorry, I thought you meant civil administrative zones. I am against the occupation of the west bank, but I do understand Israel not hurrying to hand it over to the Palestinians after the lesson they learned when they left Gaza. Israel supplies to the Palestinian Arabs in Judea and Samaria 46 million cubic meters (MCM) a year more water than Israel is obligated to under the Oslo Accords. Feel free to check. If you would have bothered reading through the link you provided, you would have been able to see that the new build is in areas which, and I quote “Israel says it intends to keep in any peace deal with the Palestinians”. The last sentence you made is just false. I’ll just comment on the fact that there is no such thing as “international law” – there are international treaties and agreements, signed by sovereign states. I doubt Hamas is a signatory on any of those. That was the case before the wall. Not anymore. People still smuggle themselves to Israel but not in such volumes. I’ve been to Israel many times, I’ve even been to the west bank & Gaza several times (as a child, before the first uprising). I have family members living in Israel and I visit there frequently. I probably know about Israel more than most of the people on this forum, from experience.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Why? you don't bother replying to sources which you deem untrustworthy, so why should I?
end of the road wrote: » the zionist propaganda machine would be prowd of you, hamas exist because of israely aggression, they moved the settlements from gaza to the west bank, the minute they left gaza they implamented the blockade hence the increased rocket fire, you treat people like crap, pen them in an area with nothing, and you can't be surprised if the people react
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Exactly, It is the fault of Hamas. Finally, you are beginning to understand. Hamas have already admitted that they want more Palestinian civilians dead as an effective way to fight the occupation (propaganda) and that's why they instructed the civilians to stay in areas about to be shelled.
davmol wrote: » you have no rights.So if the UN comes to Israel and expels the ISraelis and moves japanese in,then the japs have the right to live there?
Karl Stein wrote: » The ghosts of 100 dead children would disagree. I guess they were playing ring-a-roses around rocket launch sites were they?
Video claiming to show Hamas using children as human shields exposed as Horrible as it is, if it's genuine, the clip was shot in Syria before the latest Israeli attack.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » I'm curious - do you normally justify killing civilians over land disputes?
Nodin wrote: » So those children didn't die? Why are UNRWA unreliable? Did those children mentioned not die either?
yortem wrote: » tell me witch country was here before? no country. it was property of britian and they gave us the land.
Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn; Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) is a geographic region in Western Asia between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. It is sometimes considered to include adjoining territories. The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin.
yortem wrote: » before we bomb a house who fire rocket or has ammunition we fire "little rocket" who doesnt damage the house to warn the cilvilans to get out and run away.
