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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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ExMachina1000

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There has been criminal prosecutions for the transmission of hiv. The same should happen for this virus.

Some kind of international sanction and fine places on China perhaps?

Imagine the military doctor who came forward about the Chinese covering up of the 2003 SARS outbreak is still under house arrest. His claim was verified by the WHO.
The same WHO that uncovered Chinese state sponsored selling of organs from executed prisoners.

Away With The Fairies

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Again, the extremes. Knowingly infecting somebody with HIV when you knowingly have it is somewhat different to transmitting a virus which you are unaware you have.

But people are aware of asymptomatic and presymtomatic at this stage. A virus ripping through the world without a vaccine, the least we can do is wear a mask.

rubadub

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're in a pandemic, masks help. And yes you do have a desire to infect others with your refusal to wear a mask.

I would go further than that, if you are leaving your house for any reason which is not vital to your survival then you definitely must have a desire to infect others.

These pathetic excuses for masks are unacceptable, if you have not invested hundreds or thousands in a proper system you have a desire to infect others.

If you drive above 30km/h you have a desire to kill or cripple children.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There has been criminal prosecutions for the transmission of hiv. The same should happen for this virus.

why single out this virus, surely it should be the same for all diseases?

Away With The Fairies

rubadub wrote: »

I would go further than that, if you are leaving your house for any reason which is not vital to your survival then you definitely must have a desire to infect others.

These pathetic excuses for masks are unacceptable, if you have not invested hundreds or thousands in a proper system you have a desire to infect others.

If you drive above 30km/h you have a desire to kill or cripple children.

why single out this virus, surely it should be the same for all diseases?

We have speed limits for a reason. We don't have daily deaths of drivers mowing down people. So that argument is stupid.

We have vaccines and treatment available for other diseases. We have nothing for this. The least we can do is wear a mask and slow it down as much as possible until they get a vaccine.

rubadub

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So that argument is stupid.

not nearly as stupid as saying "you do have a desire to infect others with your refusal to wear a mask.."

The most twisted and laughable logic I have seen in a long while, totally fcuked in the head.

There are plenty of deaths and injuries due to speed annually, thought this was well known, and that people are asking for tighter limits.

ShyMets

rubadub wrote: »

not nearly as stupid as saying "you do have a desire to infect others with your refusal to wear a mask.."

The most twisted and laughable logic I have seen in a long while, totally fcuked in the head.

There are plenty of deaths and injuries due to speed annually, thought this was well known, and that people are asking for tighter limits.

Trust me. When it comes to a certain poster you haven't seen anything yet:)

Away With The Fairies

ShyMets wrote: »

Trust me. When it comes to a certain poster you haven't seen anything yet:)

You came in here, nothing to add to the discussion and write that about me.

Away With The Fairies

rubadub wrote: »

not nearly as stupid as saying "you do have a desire to infect others with your refusal to wear a mask.."

The most twisted and laughable logic I have seen in a long while, totally fcuked in the head.

There are plenty of deaths and injuries due to speed annually, thought this was well known, and that people are asking for tighter limits.

How is it twisted logic? Hold in your germs, leaving aside children and other breathing health issues, most people should. Ignorance isn't a health issue and not a reason to cover up.

Yes, we have annual deaths and injuries. But we don't have daily deaths because most people drive safe.

ShyMets

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You came in here, nothing to add to the discussion and write that about me.

Here is where I stand on masks. They should be mandatory when on public transport or an enclosed setting. When someone is out for a walk in a public space I dont see a reason to wear one.

I was responding to you comment (all be it in a glib way) that people should be prosecuted for spreading Covid 19. If they do it knowing that they have the virus, then yes I agree. But at the moment if someone infects someone else unknowingly because they are not wearing a mask, no law has been broken.

Anyway, lets not fight, particularly in the light of Covid, life is too short:)

Tork

What a load of silliness over a piece of cloth that most people will only need to wear for a few minutes every now and then

xhomelezz

Tork wrote: »

What a load of silliness over a piece of cloth that most people will only need to wear for a few minutes every now and then

You're right saying that. Make them to do it, or convince them, is different story.

Tork

I was shopping earlier and did a rough head count of how many people were in the supermarket. I counted between 30 and 40, with about 5 mask wearers. No social distancing as such in the store. There was one group of men in their 20s who looked like they were a bunch of friends catching up for a chinwag. One had a mask.

We had 23 new cases of the virus in today's update which is higher than it has been for a while. Hopefully it's a blip but it goes to show that we can't become complacent.

NotMOL

Tork wrote: »

What a load of silliness over a piece of cloth that most people will only need to wear for a few minutes every now and then

and it has been proven to reduce transmission rates which in turn will reduce deaths

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everlast75

Pretty clear I would think?

sheepsh4gger

Deleted User wrote: »

A private business has the right to refuse entry to anyone. They don't need to use that kind of language.

sheepsh4gger

I like the idea of wearing masks just to prevent regular influenza. In fact this is very popular in Japan.
The added benefit if privacy.

is_that_so

Tork wrote: »

I was shopping earlier and did a rough head count of how many people were in the supermarket. I counted between 30 and 40, with about 5 mask wearers. No social distancing as such in the store. There was one group of men in their 20s who looked like they were a bunch of friends catching up for a chinwag. One had a mask.

We had 23 new cases of the virus in today's update which is higher than it has been for a while. Hopefully it's a blip but it goes to show that we can't become complacent.

The HSE have a weekly test programme running, 4000 tests X about 0.5% positivity gives you about 20 cases.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0617/1147922-coronavirus-ireland/

As for people in supermarkets just stay away from them, I do.

is_that_so

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I like the idea of wearing masks just to prevent regular influenza. In fact this is very popular in Japan.
The added benefit if privacy.

Evidence that some people have embraced this pandemic as if they have died and gone to heaven!

jackboy

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

A private business has the right to refuse entry to anyone.

They don’t, they are not allowed to discriminate. They need a good reason to refuse entry.

sheepsh4gger

is_that_so wrote: »

Evidence that some people have embraced this pandemic as if they have died and gone to heaven!

> Universal Basic Income
> Don't need to deal with annoying neighbors
> Can finally work remotely
> Can have privacy in public

And BTW it's making all of my investments grow, I'm making money hand over fist.

Tork

Avoiding supermarkets is not the point and you know it. Covid-19 is highly infectious and can by spread by droplets in the air. The ones expelled from people's mouths even if they're just speaking. They're is more information coming out now to suggest that that is how the virus is largely spread, rather than from surfaces.

Telling people to stay away from the shops and other enclosed areas is a lazy solution to this, just because some folk are too stupid or stubborn to wear a mask. We've been through a lockdown which restricted our movements and continues to impinge on our lives. It'll all have been for nothing of we get a second wave. The numbers were kept down because most of us have been living like battery hens for months. That cannot go on indefinitely and we need to find ways to live with this virus until a vaccine is found. If it means popping on a mask for few minutes while going into the supermarket, so be it. As thing stand, those of us wearing masks are effectively pissing against the wind because most people aren't wearing them.

sheepsh4gger

jackboy wrote: »

They don’t, they are not allowed to discriminate. They need a good reason to refuse entry.

In US they are.

railer201

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I like the idea of wearing masks just to prevent regular influenza. In fact this is very popular in Japan.
The added benefit if privacy.

In the West we've let all these viruses into our lungs before doing anything about it by way of vaccines. There's lots of other deadly stuff about too such the nitrogen dioxides from motor vehicle exhausts, apart from dirt and dust.

Interestingly since donning a mask, a boards cyclist recently posted in another forum that he no longer suffered from hay fever as a result.

Perhaps we're late to the party on this one, or should I say the ghoulish masked ball, as it's turned out to be.

Away With The Fairies

jackboy wrote: »

They don’t, they are not allowed to discriminate. They need a good reason to refuse entry.

So not wearing a mask is now seen as discrimination.

is_that_so

Tork wrote: »

That is not the point and you know it. Covid-19 is highly infectious and can by spread by droplets in the air. The ones expelled from people's mouths even if they're just speaking. They're is more information coming out now to suggest that that is how the virus is largely spread, rather than from surfaces.

Telling people to stay away from the shops and other enclosed areas is a lazy solution to this, just because some folk are too stupid or stubborn to wear a mask. We've been through a lockdown which restricted our movements and continues to impinge on our lives. It'll all have been for nothing of we get a second wave. The numbers were kept down because most of us have been living like battery hens for months. That cannot go on indefinitely and we need to find ways to live with this virus until a vaccine is found. If it means popping on a mask for few minutes while going into the supermarket, so be it. As thing stand, those of us wearing masks are effectively pissing against the wind because most people aren't wearing them.

My view all along is that it is a personal responsibility, i.e. you. It is an advisory and people choose to interpret that as they see fit. We really have no control over what other people will do and we pay them no heed in normal times so why bother now.

Away With The Fairies

Tork wrote: »

Avoiding supermarkets is not the point and you know it. Covid-19 is highly infectious and can by spread by droplets in the air. The ones expelled from people's mouths even if they're just speaking. They're is more information coming out now to suggest that that is how the virus is largely spread, rather than from surfaces.

Telling people to stay away from the shops and other enclosed areas is a lazy solution to this, just because some folk are too stupid or stubborn to wear a mask. We've been through a lockdown which restricted our movements and continues to impinge on our lives. It'll all have been for nothing of we get a second wave. The numbers were kept down because most of us have been living like battery hens for months. That cannot go on indefinitely and we need to find ways to live with this virus until a vaccine is found. If it means popping on a mask for few minutes while going into the supermarket, so be it. As thing stand, those of us wearing masks are effectively pissing against the wind because most people aren't wearing them.

I really don't understand, we get up in the morning, we put on clothes. In winter, we wear extra layers. How is a mask so difficult for some people?

Tork

is_that_so wrote: »

My view all along is that it is a personal responsibility, i.e. you. It is just an advisory and people choose to interpret that as they see fit. We really have no control over what other people will do and we pay them no heed in normal times so why bother now.

My observations any time I go into a shop suggest that very few people are wearing masks and aren't taking that responsibility. Sometimes stronger measures need to be taken. Would people really be going shopping with their bags for life if the shops weren't charging 22c for the single use ones? Would we really have no smoking in pubs?

sheepsh4gger

railer201 wrote: »

In the West we've let all these viruses into our lungs before doing anything about it by way of vaccines. There's lots of other deadly stuff about too such the nitrogen dioxides from motor vehicle exhausts, apart from dirt and dust.

Interestingly since donning a mask, a boards cyclist recently posted in another forum that he no longer suffered from hay fever as a result.

Perhaps we're late to the party on this one, or should I say the ghoulish masked ball, as it's turned out to be.

I can't wait to wear my industrial masks I use for painting models.

It would be even better is cosplaying as a 'metro cop' from Half Life would be socially acceptable.

That's actually a soviet gas mask you can get cheaply online.

is_that_so

Tork wrote: »

My observations any time I go into a shop suggest that very few people are wearing masks. Sometimes stronger measures need to be taken. Would people really be going shopping with their bags for life if the shops weren't charging 22c for the single use ones? Would we really have no smoking in pubs?

Yeah I see the same thing and I worry about myself, not them. Your two examples were permanent and generally seen as a good thing so they weren't hard to sell. Mask wearing is temporary.