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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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stephenjmcd

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which will not happen, legally anyway, for a long time to come.

I think everyone knows that but theres various interviews with vininters in today's papers. The ones that also do food may re open when restaurants do.

Think people need to realise things will reopen eventually and we'll live along side this.

Those that can reopen eventually will. Be in a month, 2 months whatever

easypazz

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which will not happen, legally anyway, for a long time to come.

So you keep whining.

road_high

facehugger99 wrote: »

People who spend their lives sucking on the State's tit don't need to concern themselves with how economies are run.

For them, there is actual magic-money that pay for their wants.

They’re deluded if they think this won’t effect them- welfare spending is clearly first in line for cuts. Probably from an emergency budget over the summer. That will be fun

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

I know that, you know that, the government know it, the publicans know it, the country will be opening up faster than people think.

Right now, we’re engaged with government on how social distancing could work. Pubs are designed to facilitate social interaction, so it’s difficult. It’s that lively environment we all love.
As pubs come in all shapes and sizes, each one will have its own problems when it comes to creating safe areas for social distancing.

Plans are being drafted by these pubs for how they can operate but the short-term problems of ensuring social distancing will be difficult to overcome.
“Policies are being worked on,” Cribben said. “They have to take into account World Health Organization guidelines, and that’s what we’re talking to the Department of Health about.”

The pubs are the bell weather here, once they open the lockdown doom merchants are defeated.

Which will not happen, legally anyway, for a long time to come.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

The pubs are the bell weather here, once they open the lockdown doom merchants are defeated.

Who are these, "lockdown doom merchants," of whom you speak?

Penfailed

JRant wrote: »

So looks like there was some sort of air survey being carried out over Dublin earlier today. A plane was flying a grid pattern overhead for the guts of an hour just before lunch time. Must have had government approval as we never see none commercial planes over us as we are on a direct flight path into Dublin airport.

I wonder is our new leader Tony looking for evidence other than his own anecdotes and some seismic readings to justify another 3 weeks of lockdown?
I think another few weeks is pretty much a given at this stage for 2 reasons. 1, they don't want to lift restrictions before the UK and 2, it will help kept the heat off them over their mishandling of the nursing homes

Geological survey. They've been happening all over the country recently. It's got nothing to do with monitoring if people are obeying the lockdown or not.

facehugger99

road_high wrote: »

A bailout from whom? There seems to be a widely held delusion among many that the money markets will keep lending us cheap money just because we need it.
They may initially, but the longer and deeper this gets the harder that will be. If we continue on this path of obliteration then the consequences will be dire. St tony and co will be fine- it’ll be the small business owners and middle income earners that will be decimated. I’m shocked (but not surprised) our useless media have nothing to say about this

People who spend their lives sucking on the State's tit don't need to concern themselves with how economies are run.

For them, there is actual magic-money that pay for their wants.

Nermal

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/coronavirus-were-paying-a-high-price-for-saving-not-many-lives/news-story/cfc84bbabbf65852eed33521956c7240

"Ben Mol, a professor of obstetrics at Monash University, and Jonathan Karnon, a professor at Flinders University Medical Institute, argue what matters is life years saved, not lives per se. The median age of death from COVID-19 has been around 80 in Sweden and Australia.

This suggests an even greater over-reaction. “Assuming a willingness to pay $70,000 per life year saved, then Australia would, from a rational perspective, be prepared to pay not more than $3.8bn to justify the gained life years,” they tell Inquirer.

That’s about 1.2 per cent of the $320bn the government and Reserve Bank intend to spend to counteract stage three lockdowns, for which there’s no evidence."

How long does this need to go on? Why not admit our error now, rather than waiting till May 5th? Why throw away an extra €865M on another week of a clear policy failure?

I note the membership of the NPEHT prominently published in IT today. Not a single member on it who has the tools to analyse the problem from an economic point of view.

road_high

GazzaL wrote: »

Nobody wants to make a decision, they're hoping to piggy back on someone else. And while they **** around wringing their hands, the ability to make any decision is being taken off their hands because people aren't going to wait for them and will just get on with life.

Problem is they are using the Gardai to enforce this rubbish - checkpoints, forced closures and decimation of hitherto perfectly good businesses. Hiding behind discredited unelected civil servants like mr Holohan

easypazz

GazzaL wrote: »

We've actually smashed the targets set out, R0 is down to around 0.5. Both the numbers of people in intensive care and the number of hospital admissions have been declining for weeks. Professor Nolan said "since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero". So from that, I would say that we have done enough and that we need to get back to a certain level of normality using social distancing, to avoid a spike in deaths from non-COVID related illnesses and suicide.

I know that, you know that, the government know it, the publicans know it, the country will be opening up faster than people think.

Right now, we’re engaged with government on how social distancing could work. Pubs are designed to facilitate social interaction, so it’s difficult. It’s that lively environment we all love.
As pubs come in all shapes and sizes, each one will have its own problems when it comes to creating safe areas for social distancing.

Plans are being drafted by these pubs for how they can operate but the short-term problems of ensuring social distancing will be difficult to overcome.
“Policies are being worked on,” Cribben said. “They have to take into account World Health Organization guidelines, and that’s what we’re talking to the Department of Health about.”

The pubs are the bell weather here, once they open the lockdown doom merchants are defeated.

Beasty

Unelected CMO wrote: »

I’ll answer that: as Bandit most likely doesn’t have a job and relies on the State to fund him, dwelling in his council house basement posting on boards all day and trying to tell people what to do has most likely been the most fun he’s had in years.

So yeah, I’d say the lockdown is his happy place

Unelected CMO wrote: »

You also could get seriously ill from one of Bandit Luke’s food deliveries. I’m extremely concerned that he is most likely doing this without proper HAACP procedures in place or EHO oversight. Ecoli or the like could easily kill elderly/ vuenerable people.

Unelected CMO wrote: »

I am and have been following every rule and restriction and will continue to do so until May 5th. After that I’ll continue to socially distance but certainly won’t comply with many of the more ridiculous dictums coming from Cervical Check Tony and Lockdown Leo

Unelected CMO wrote: »

I agree with you on one point there. I’d also be more comfortable with her calling the shots as despite my loathing of her party, at least she was democratically elected and therefore has considerably more right to govern the country than Cervical Tony and Wrong Model Phil do.

Do not post in this thread again

drunkmonkey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Interesting thing is that very few of the medical professionals are applying much logic apart from the great Dr Marcus Brun. Diagnosing Covid when it is only presumed is a strange development.

Fudging the daily numbers is a new tatic, the numbers were dropping so they started to add in suspected cases, now 20% of our deaths are not confirmed.
I read all Marcus piece before he resigned, I don't blame him we've mismanagement on an epic scale.

GazzaL

JRant wrote: »

So looks like there was some sort of air survey being carried out over Dublin earlier today. A plane was flying a grid pattern overhead for the guts of an hour just before lunch time. Must have had government approval as we never see none commercial planes over us as we are on a direct flight path into Dublin airport.

I wonder is our new leader Tony looking for evidence other than his own anecdotes and some seismic readings to justify another 3 weeks of lockdown?
I think another few weeks is pretty much a given at this stage for 2 reasons. 1, they don't want to lift restrictions before the UK and 2, it will help kept the heat off them over their mishandling of the nursing homes

Nobody wants to make a decision, they're hoping to piggy back on someone else. And while they **** around wringing their hands, the ability to make any decision is being taken off their hands because people aren't going to wait for them and will just get on with life.

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m sure that if she was claiming that she had a condition that she didn`t have that someone in the medical profession would have contradicted her by now.

Interesting thing is that very few of the medical professionals are applying much logic apart from the great Dr Marcus Brun. Diagnosing Covid when it is only presumed is a strange development.

Unelected CMO

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m sure that if she was claiming that she had a condition that she didn`t have that someone in the medical profession would have contradicted her by now.

Are you familiar with medical privacy rules? Anybody could claim they had anything and there isn’t a Dr. anywhere who’d openly contradict them as it would be a clear breach of those laws.

Perfect example- a doctor can sign you off sick without stating a reason and the only recourse for the employer is to request an occupational health assessment. Even in that situation the Occupational Health Doctor can only confirm (in their opinion) whether you are fit to work or not. They can’t tell your employer what you do or don’t have

GazzaL

cherryghost wrote: »

I'm probably not the only one but still in a minority here... but for my family our complete lockdown at our house started essentially March 12th due to close contact with my father who later tested positive. I've been out shopping 3 times, as there was issues with online orders. One of the times I spent 5 hours walking back and forth to get groceries as I was the only one able to do the shopping and couldn't carry it all.

Today I'm feeling truly the worst of it, after buildup this week, not from the virus itself, but from a mental health point of view. Working from home has benefits but 6 weeks of it has me in the edge. Combined with a screaming toddler in the terrible 2s, limited social interaction and pregnant wife I am really feeling down and out. I'm not going to suddenly ignore restrictions in place, but it absolutely infuriates me the lack of respect and complacency in our area. I fear another extension in the cards as some people haven't done enough.

We've actually smashed the targets set out, R0 is down to around 0.5. Both the numbers of people in intensive care and the number of hospital admissions have been declining for weeks. Professor Nolan said "since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero". So from that, I would say that we have done enough and that we need to get back to a certain level of normality using social distancing, to avoid a spike in deaths from non-COVID related illnesses and suicide.

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I`m sure that if she was claiming that she had a condition that she didn`t have that someone in the medical profession would have contradicted her by now.

She had it.

Given she didn't require hospital treatment I'm not sure she was so sick that she needs to bleat to everyone on national tv about it.

Scaremongering nonsense from the leader of a party led by an army council.

trapp

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

She was diagnosed with post viral pleurisy after contracting the Covid-19 virus. Are you claiming that she lied about this?

I'm saying I wouldn't believe a word she says about anything.

Cork Boy 53

Unelected CMO wrote: »

Considering she continues to tell us Gerry Adams wasn’t in the IRA, I have trouble with her credibility in general

I`m sure that if she was claiming that she had a condition that she didn`t have that someone in the medical profession would have contradicted her by now.

Unelected CMO

drunkmonkey wrote: »

She was on the radio with Yates the other day, I didn't know who it was thought it was someone senior in the HSE she came across very well and likeable the same with tubs last night. Not a hope I'd vote for the local Sinn Fein guy but from listening to her twice recently I'd feel a lot better if she was in charge rather than Tony.

I agree with you on one point there. I’d also be more comfortable with her calling the shots as despite my loathing of her party, at least she was democratically elected and therefore has considerably more right to govern the country than Cervical Tony and Wrong Model Phil do.

JRant

So looks like there was some sort of air survey being carried out over Dublin earlier today. A plane was flying a grid pattern overhead for the guts of an hour just before lunch time. Must have had government approval as we never see none commercial planes over us as we are on a direct flight path into Dublin airport.

I wonder is our new leader Tony looking for evidence other than his own anecdotes and some seismic readings to justify another 3 weeks of lockdown?
I think another few weeks is pretty much a given at this stage for 2 reasons. 1, they don't want to lift restrictions before the UK and 2, it will help kept the heat off them over their mishandling of the nursing homes

drunkmonkey

She was on the radio with Yates the other day, I didn't know who it was thought it was someone senior in the HSE she came across very well and likeable the same with tubs last night. Not a hope I'd vote for the local Sinn Fein guy but from listening to her twice recently I'd feel a lot better if she was in charge rather than Tony.

Unelected CMO

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

She was diagnosed with post viral pleurisy after contracting the Covid-19 virus. Are you claiming that she lied about this?

Considering she continues to tell us Gerry Adams wasn’t in the IRA, I have trouble with her credibility in general

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

She was diagnosed with post viral pleurisy after contracting the Covid-19 virus. Are you claiming that she lied about this?

I wouldn’t worry about that pleurisy too much, had it enough times myself. Easily cleared with the aul antibiotics. It’s the hit on more vital bits like the alveoli that would concern me. Pleurisy gets attention because of the dramatic stabbing pain, but in most cases it’s totally benign and just the tell-tale of a patch of bacterial pneumonia that will respond readily to treatment. I’m just saying that here for anyone who’s unexpectedly struck with it and gets scared.

LiquidZeb

road_high wrote: »

And a #staythe****athome

Does anyone wonder how people may have to pay for said home?

I think they just give them away. Don't you know they just sprout from the ground?

Cork Boy 53

trapp wrote: »

Wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth for a start

She was diagnosed with post viral pleurisy after contracting the Covid-19 virus. Are you claiming that she lied about this?

road_high

trapp wrote: »

Wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth for a start

Didn’t watch her or the late late covid show. Enough misery and covid mania all week without watching more of that rubbish on a Friday night

trapp

Downlinz wrote: »

Seeing the mass graves in Brazil, Mary Lou describing the agony of trying to open her eyelids, the horror stories from Nursing homes, Boris still not being fit to return fully to work, the eerie funeral processions along roadways etc makes cautious action guided by medical advice a very easy proposition among the vast majority.

Wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth for a start

[Deleted User]

Seamai wrote: »

Vitamin D deficiency is quite common in Ireland particularly during the winter when we get so little sun, unless we are eating oily fish several times a week (I doubt many of us do) we will struggle to get enough, it's an issue for all ages.

But very particularly in older people who tend to keep themselves covered up a lot for their own cosmetic reasons.

road_high

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Don't worry the experts on here will prescribe anyone who loses their business or job with a round of Netflix to make everything better.

And a #staythe****athome

Does anyone wonder how people may have to pay for said home?