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Minor schemes & realignments

marno21

Here's a thread for discussing minor schemes & realignments, not big enough to deserve their own thread.

News on Radio Kerry this morning about removal of objections to CPOs on the realignment of the Kilderry bends just outside Milltown on the N70.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/landowners-withdrawn-their-objection-to-cpo-for-mid-kerry-road-improvement-scheme/

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serfboard

DumbBrunette wrote: »

N17: The dangerous Lisduff crossroads on the N17 where several people have been killed is to be rebuilt into a grade separated junction. This means 2 GSJs within 1km on the N17 at Claremorris, a bit unnecessary for a small town IMO.

So the junction is dangerous, and several people have been killed, but a much safer alternative is not justified? And no, a compact GSJ for this junction is not excessive, if you knew the junction at all, which I'm guessing you don't. I do - I travel it regularly and I was just thinking to myself recently that a compact GSJ is exactly what's needed there.

In other news:

Galway Bay FM wrote:

A contract has now been signed for a total upgrade of the N59 on a 5 kilometre section east of Maam Cross. Work is scheduled to begin in the New Year.

The total upgrade of 5 kilometres of the N59 at Maam Cross is seen as a significant step forward in bringing the main road from Galway to Clifden to a new level of development.
...
The contract for the work has been awarded to Clare Civil Engineering.
...
A spokesperson for Galway County Council said that the actual road construction will begin early in the New Year.
...
Traffic management plans are also being put in place and the work will go on for 18 months.

DumbBrunette

I said I thought another GSJ is excessive, because the existing N60 junction should have sufficient capacity for all traffic accessing Claremorris from the N17. It's the junction I use myself when travelling from Westport to the M17/M18. It never seems particularly busy, let alone congested.

When I heard of the Lisduff project, I had assumed the crossroads would be eliminated and a bridge provided across the N17 for local access. This would be the best option from a road safety point of view. The project as proposed is more substantial than I had expected and I'm not sure it's necessary to provide a GSJ rather than just a bridge.

I would like to see at least some the remaining at-grade junctions on the Claremorris and Knock bypasses closed or bridged too - there are way too many of them. It will have to be done if the road is ever upgraded to 2+2.

serfboard wrote: »

So the junction is dangerous, and several people have been killed, but a much safer alternative is not justified? And no, a compact GSJ for this junction is not excessive, if you knew the junction at all, which I'm guessing you don't. I do - I travel it regularly and I was just thinking to myself recently that a compact GSJ is exactly what's needed there.

In other news:

serfboard

DumbBrunette wrote: »

When I heard of the Lisduff project, I had assumed the crossroads would be eliminated and a bridge provided across the N17 for local access.

Claremorris is quite a long town and limiting access to the current N60 junction only would mean a long traverse for people wanting to access the southern end of the town and its hinterland.

DumbBrunette wrote: »

the existing N60 junction ... [is] the junction I use myself when travelling from Westport to the M17/M18.

When you are travelling in the opposite direction - from the M17 to Westport - you cannot fail to notice the number of cars heading into Claremorris on the southern side at Lisduff.

DumbBrunette wrote: »

I had assumed the crossroads would be eliminated and a bridge provided across the N17 for local access. This would be the best option from a road safety point of view.

What is a compact GSJ only a bridge with trimmings? What would be the difference in price between building a bridge, and adding on the extras to make the GSJ? AFAIK, it's the bridge structure itself that is by far the most expensive part, so if you concede that a bridge is needed, which you do, then the accessibility provided by a compact GSJ is worth the extra amount IMO. It's like the debate about building a wide single-lane road or a dual carriageway - the price difference is not much for massive increases in both functionality and safety. Build it once and build it right.

What they are effectively doing is creating two junctions at Claremorris - Claremorris South and Claremorris North.

DumbBrunette wrote: »

I would like to see at least some the remaining at-grade junctions on the Claremorris and Knock bypasses closed or bridged too - there are way too many of them. It will have to be done if the road is ever upgraded to 2+2.

Agreed.

Kevwoody

marno21 wrote:

I note with interest that the bridge on the N17 at Lisduff is specced with a "clearance envelope for future proposed N17 Type 2 dual carraigeway". Fantastic to see that.

While it's positive to see this mentioned, I wouldn't read too much into it. That road is ridiculously wide as it is, even if the bridge was built to suit the existing road, it would probably still be wide enough for a 2+2 underneath.

UsBus

irishgeo wrote: »

signs up stating n60 realignment at Lagnamuck starting 21st of Jan until the end of 2019.

It will be a major rush to get this completed by Xmas I'd say. Finding it hard to believe this stretch could take 12 months to complete, is it much more than 600yds..? I know there were flood works to carry out but it feels like it is moving at a snails pace.. The residents of Balla must be delighted though, they've got some of the widest footpaths and cycle lanes I've ever seen..!!

DumbBrunette

It's about 1500 yards but you're right to say it seems to be progressing very slowly for such a short scheme. I can only imagine it's because it's online, and because of the amount of fill required to raise the level of the road.

I shudder to think how long the Heathlawn scheme on the other side of Balla will take. That's nearly 3 times longer and all online. It could bring huge disruption to the N60 for the best part of 2 years. (Still great it's being done though!)

UsBus wrote: »

It will be a major rush to get this completed by Xmas I'd say. Finding it hard to believe this stretch could take 12 months to complete, is it much more than 600yds..? I know there were flood works to carry out but it feels like it is moving at a snails pace.. The residents of Balla must be delighted though, they've got some of the widest footpaths and cycle lanes I've ever seen..!!

UsBus

DumbBrunette wrote: »

It's about 1500 yards but you're right to say it seems to be progressing very slowly for such a short scheme. I can only imagine it's because it's online, and because of the amount of fill required to raise the level of the road.

I shudder to think how long the Heathlawn scheme on the other side of Balla will take. That's nearly 3 times longer and all online. It could bring huge disruption to the N60 for the best part of 2 years. (Still great it's being done though!)

Yes, you're right it's fantastic so many road schemes are being progressed in the west at long last. It just feels there are more efficient ways of completing these schemes. Incentives to finish ahead of schedule, works occurring on a shift basis, especially during summertime hours. Heathlawn would be ideal for this, certain parts would not affect a huge number of residents.
Roll on the manulla upgrade as well..

NedNew2

DumbBrunette wrote: »

It's about 1500 yards...

Yards? Ok grandpa. 1500 metres and thank you.

I agree with the rest of the post though, progress is progress I suppose, no matter how slow.

DumbBrunette

1400 metres actually. And if you were paying attention you'd see that I was using yards as a courtesy to the previous poster who referred to yards in his post.

NedNew2 wrote: »

Yards? Ok grandpa. 1500 metres and thank you.

I agree with the rest of the post though, progress is progress I suppose, no matter how slow.

UsBus

NedNew2 wrote: »

Yards? Ok grandpa. 1500 metres and thank you.

As a golfer, yards is a perfectly understandable measurement for me which is why I estimated distance this way. Here's a tip for you, not everything that was around pre millennial snowflake life was wrong..

Donegal Storm

I mentioned the same about the N2 works around Emyvale a few months ago, it's a short and fairly straight forward realignment but they've been on site 18 months now and still not done

Truckermal

marno21 wrote: »

Agreed, although I think they both merit doing the Waterdyke section is like something you’d expect on a local road, let alone a road that takes so many HGVs.

I see they have started cutting those huge Tree's where the road is very narrow south of Farahy, I wonder are they going to upgrade this piece too as the land is purchased with year's..

UsBus

DumbBrunette wrote: »

N60: Tiny Lagnamuck scheme nearly complete.

Heard some discussion on local radio about this scheme recently. People were questioning the need to have such wide footpaths. They do appear to be nearly the same as the road width in spots..!!!

irishgeo

UsBus wrote: »

Heard some discussion on local radio about this scheme recently. People were questioning the need to have such wide footpaths. They do appear to be nearly the same as the road width in spots..!!!

Once assume it's going to be footpaths and a cycle lane. The huge amount of back fill probably took the most time.

The next section of road upgrade around balla won't need as much fill.

Charles Babbage

Progress on route for unimproved section of Co. Louth N53. partly offline around Annaghvacky.
http://www.westmeathcoco.ie/en/media/Information.pdf

marno21

Tender out for ground investigation for the N61 Tulsk-Clashaganny scheme

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/160004/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

marno21

Funding for 2020

Route number|Scheme|Allocation (€)
02|Monaghan to Emyvale Phase 3|600,000
04|Sligo Urban|6,700,000
06|Bothar na dTreabh upgrade|2,000,000
15|Blackburn Bridge|20,000
16|Drummahan|2,523,470
16|Lugatober|500,000
16|Munakill|200,000
17|Milltown to Gortnagunnad|600,000
20|O'Rourke's Cross|750,000
22|Killarney Lewis Road upgrade|150,000
24|Beary's Cross|1,000,000
24|Brookes Bridge|50,000
24|Tower Road Piltown Upgrade|1,750,000
24|Carrick Road|250,000
26|Cloongullane Bridge|2,500,000
51|Dunmore Phase 2|3,400,000
52|Cloghan to Billistown Phase 2|8,800,000
52|Grange to Clontail|80,000
53|Ballynacarry Bridge|50,000
53|Barronstown to Hackballs Cross|3,000
53|Hackballscross to Rassan|300,000
53|Barronstown to Newtownbalregan|11,000
54|Tullybryan|500,000
55|Corduff to South of Killydoon A|100,000
55|Corduff to South of Killydoon B|2,750,000
56|Drumbeigh to Inver|8,000,000
56|Dungloe to Cloghbolie|12,000,000
56|Kilkenny to Letterilly|350,000
56|Letterilly to Kilraine|9,000,000
56|Mountcharles to Drumbeigh|350,000
56|Coolboy to Kilmacrennan|400,000
56|Illistrim to Letterkenny cycleway|300,000
56|Doonwell to Drumbrick|50,000
59|Corhawnagh to Lugnadeffa|470,000
59|Kilmeena|1,000,000
59|Maam Cross to Bunnakill|10,000,000
59|Newport to Derrada|200,000
59|Roskeen to Derrada|100,000
59|West of Letterfrack widening|1,300,000
60|Heathlawn|500,000
60|Lagnamuck|550,000
60|Manulla|200,000
60|Oran|6,000,000
61|Ballymurray to Knockcroghery|800,000
61|Clashaganny to Tulsk|250,000
61|Coolteige|500,000
62|Crancreagh/Cloghan to Derrinlough|50,000
63|Abbeyknockmoy to Annagh Hill|600,000
63|Liss to Abbey|250,000
65|Kilmeen Cross|50,000
67|Ballinderreen to Kinvara Phase 2|4,000,000
70|Brackaharagh|2,000,000
70|Coolroe to Glenbeigh|100,000
70|Waterville to Ballybrack|200,000
71|Newmills to Owenahincha|150,000
72|Stagmount|2,000,000
73|Annakisha South|180,000
73|Clogher Cross to Waterdyke|250,000
74|Ballyhusty|500,000/
77|Ballyragget to Ballynaslee|250,000
80|Maidenhead|3,400,000
81|Hangmans Bend|50,000
81|Irishtown|25,000
81|Knockroe|3,000,000
81|Tuckmill|25,000
81|Whitestown Lower|150,000
85|Kilnamona|350,000
86|Lispole to Mountoven|1,000,000
86|Ballynasare/Ballygarrett|1,000,000

JohnC.

What's the Carrick Road (N24) one?

marno21

JohnC. wrote: »

What's the Carrick Road (N24) one?

A short realignment of the N24 outside Mooncoin. Details of the route are on the Kilkenny Council website.

DumbBrunette

The N17 Milltown realignment is badly needed, it's the last really brutal bit of the N17 in Galway or Mayo.

marno21 wrote: »

Funding for 2020

Route number|Scheme|Allocation (€)
02|Monaghan to Emyvale Phase 3|600,000
04|Sligo Urban|6,700,000
06|Bothar na dTreabh upgrade|2,000,000
15|Blackburn Bridge|20,000
16|Drummahan|2,523,470
16|Lugatober|500,000
16|Munakill|200,000
17|Milltown to Gortnagunnad|600,000
20|O'Rourke's Cross|750,000
22|Killarney Lewis Road upgrade|150,000
24|Beary's Cross|1,000,000
24|Brookes Bridge|50,000
24|Tower Road Piltown Upgrade|1,750,000
24|Carrick Road|250,000
26|Cloongullane Bridge|2,500,000
51|Dunmore Phase 2|3,400,000
52|Cloghan to Billistown Phase 2|8,800,000
52|Grange to Clontail|80,000
53|Ballynacarry Bridge|50,000
53|Barronstown to Hackballs Cross|3,000
53|Hackballscross to Rassan|300,000
53|Barronstown to Newtownbalregan|11,000
54|Tullybryan|500,000
55|Corduff to South of Killydoon A|100,000
55|Corduff to South of Killydoon B|2,750,000
56|Drumbeigh to Inver|8,000,000
56|Dungloe to Cloghbolie|12,000,000
56|Kilkenny to Letterilly|350,000
56|Letterilly to Kilraine|9,000,000
56|Mountcharles to Drumbeigh|350,000
56|Coolboy to Kilmacrennan|400,000
56|Illistrim to Letterkenny cycleway|300,000
56|Doonwell to Drumbrick|50,000
59|Corhawnagh to Lugnadeffa|470,000
59|Kilmeena|1,000,000
59|Maam Cross to Bunnakill|10,000,000
59|Newport to Derrada|200,000
59|Roskeen to Derrada|100,000
59|West of Letterfrack widening|1,300,000
60|Heathlawn|500,000
60|Lagnamuck|550,000
60|Manulla|200,000
60|Oran|6,000,000
61|Ballymurray to Knockcroghery|800,000
61|Clashaganny to Tulsk|250,000
61|Coolteige|500,000
62|Crancreagh/Cloghan to Derrinlough|50,000
63|Abbeyknockmoy to Annagh Hill|600,000
63|Liss to Abbey|250,000
65|Kilmeen Cross|50,000
67|Ballinderreen to Kinvara Phase 2|4,000,000
70|Brackaharagh|2,000,000
70|Coolroe to Glenbeigh|100,000
70|Waterville to Ballybrack|200,000
71|Newmills to Owenahincha|150,000
72|Stagmount|2,000,000
73|Annakisha South|180,000
73|Clogher Cross to Waterdyke|250,000
74|Ballyhusty|500,000/
77|Ballyragget to Ballynaslee|250,000
80|Maidenhead|3,400,000
81|Hangmans Bend|50,000
81|Irishtown|25,000
81|Knockroe|3,000,000
81|Tuckmill|25,000
81|Whitestown Lower|150,000
85|Kilnamona|350,000
86|Lispole to Mountoven|1,000,000
86|Ballynasare/Ballygarrett|1,000,000

Jayuu

marno21 wrote: »

A short realignment of the N24 outside Mooncoin. Details of the route are on the Kilkenny Council website.

Couldn't find the detail on their site but if it's remove the narrow windy stretch just before Mooncoin on the Carrick side that would be great.

JohnC.

Jayuu wrote: »

Couldn't find the detail on their site but if it's remove the narrow windy stretch just before Mooncoin on the Carrick side that would be great.

I couldn't find it easily myself, but eventually got it. There's a couple of PDFs with maps and stuff on the right side of this page

https://consult.kilkenny.ie/en/consultation/n24-carrick-road-improvement-scheme-identified-preferred-route-corridor

steeler j

JohnC. wrote: »

I couldn't find it easily myself, but eventually got it. There's a couple of PDFs with maps and stuff on the right side of this page

https://consult.kilkenny.ie/en/consultation/n24-carrick-road-improvement-scheme-identified-preferred-route-corridor

Thanks ,I couldn't find it either

BelfastVanMan

steeler j wrote: »

Thanks ,I couldn't find it either

I see this ties into the infamous Piltown bypass.
Given that it will likely be upgraded at some point to 2+2 (and, I believe one of the junctions on it is to be upgraded soon), will this short realignment be 2+2 or just standard SC?

steeler j

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

I see this ties into the infamous Piltown bypass.
Given that it will likely be upgraded at some point to 2+2 (and, I believe one of the junctions on it is to be upgraded soon), will this short realignment be 2+2 or just standard SC?

I won't know I would guess sc

marno21

Design completed for the N73 Clogher Cross-Waterdyke realignment, but its awaiting TII approval.

These 2 N73 schemes (along with the Annakisha South realignment) are desperately needed

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/landowner-payoffs-hamper-cork-road-plans-972852.html

Truckermal

marno21 wrote: »

Design completed for the N73 Clogher Cross-Waterdyke realignment, but its awaiting TII approval.

These 2 N73 schemes (along with the Annakisha South realignment) are desperately needed

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/landowner-payoffs-hamper-cork-road-plans-972852.html

Work has allready started on this as of this week, all those huge trees are cut and they have started digging out inside the ditch..

marno21

Truckermal wrote: »

Work has allready started on this as of this week, all those huge trees are cut and they have started digging out inside the ditch..

Isn’t that the Annakisha one? I do often mix them up but I did see that work while driving the N73 at the weekend

I believe the Annakisha one is close to construction but the other one to the east is some time away yet

Truckermal

marno21 wrote: »

Isn’t that the Annakisha one? I do often mix them up but I did see that work while driving the N73 at the weekend

I believe the Annakisha one is close to construction but the other one to the east is some time away yet

No the one nearer to Kildorrery!

Charles Babbage

What is "RSI Implementation" in the context of a road allocation?