Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 20-12-2015 3:37am #1

New 10-Part Documentary on Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxgbdYaR_KQ

Slippin Jimmy · 20-12-2015 4:04pm

Thank you! Just signed back up to Netflix last night and have thrown this on my to watch list. The trailer looks great.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 20-12-2015 4:37pm

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

Thank you! Just signed back up to Netflix last night and have thrown this on my to watch list. The trailer looks great.

I'm 6 episodes in - it's very compelling. Don't want to give anything away, so that's all I'm gonna say, but it's a must watch for sure...

FouxDaFaFa · 20-12-2015 6:30pm

3 episodes in, fascinating. So many different difficult aspects.

Slippin Jimmy · 20-12-2015 7:33pm

Watched the first episode there. Very interesting indeed.

Tilly · 21-12-2015 12:59pm

I finished this over the weekend and have to say it was brill. Couldnt help but keep watching "one more".

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 21-12-2015 1:43pm

Tilly wrote: »

I finished this over the weekend and have to say it was brill. Couldnt help but keep watching "one more".

I was the same. Ended up watching the last 5 episodes in one sitting. Only reason I didn't watch the whole thing in one go was that I needed to sleep...

Tilly · 21-12-2015 3:37pm

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

I was the same. Ended up watching the last 5 episodes in one sitting. Only reason I didn't watch the whole thing in one go was that I needed to sleep...

Haha i'm the same

I need another fix of something like that.

gilmour · 22-12-2015 1:12am

Riveting, depressing and ****ing addictive. Best documentary series i think i've ever seen.

Side note, found this http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html being discussed online, blogged in 2009. Armchair investigators this is your calling.

22-12-2015 1:37am

Have to say this is a great watch.

Would make a great drama in itself its so off the wall.

Just going onto episode 5 now.

In fairness its never exactly slow but once you hit episode 3 and get settled it turns into a binge.
If I hadn't an exam today id have got way further last night.

So tempted to google the people involved to their story since but just about staying strong until I finish it.

Slippin Jimmy · 22-12-2015 8:25am

I'm on episode two now. This is probably the best documentary that I've seen. Its really well done.

22-12-2015 3:15pm

Slippin Jimmy wrote: »

I'm on episode two now. This is probably the best documentary that I've seen. Its really well done.

It only gets better too.

Really takes off when you're into episode 3.

I'm on my first proper day off in weeks so I'm binging the last 4 today

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Mike Guide 69 · 22-12-2015 4:23pm

I posted on the Netflix thread, Im 7 epsiodes into it and it is totally engrossing , it has everything, murder, deceit, corruption. Great credit has to go to the directors and producers for putting together a fantastic piece of work. If you like this documentary then checkout "The Staircase" , which is even more superior to Making a Murderer, chronicles Michael Petersons trail about the murder of his wife Kathleen, some WTF moments in that series too...

finglashoop · 22-12-2015 4:55pm

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

I posted on the Netflix thread, Im 7 epsiodes into it and it is totally engrossing , it has everything, murder, deceit, corruption. Great credit has to go to the directors and producers for putting together a fantastic piece of work. If you like this documentary then checkout "The Staircase" , which is even more superior to Making a Murderer, chronicles Michael Petersons trail about the murder of his wife Kathleen, some WTF moments in that series too...

Second time recently the staircase has been brought to my attention. Is it on netflix

Mike Guide 69 · 22-12-2015 5:13pm

finglashoop wrote: »

Second time recently the staircase has been brought to my attention. Is it on netflix

Its not on Netflix unfortunately, the episodes are available on youtube, it's repeated the odd time on BBC3 / BBC4.

Agent Coulson · 22-12-2015 5:28pm

That was a hard watch but totally binged it in two days so compelling.

So what to do people think those who watched it all

innocent or guilty?

I would have the same view as the lawyer and say

I hope he is guilty because if he's not the miscarriages of Justice to the same man is beyond belief

Tilly · 22-12-2015 5:37pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That was a hard watch but totally binged it in two days so compelling.

So what to do people think those who watched it all
innocent or guilty?

I would have the same view as the lawyer and say
I hope he is guilty because if he's not the miscarriages of Justice to the same man is beyond belief

I just dont see why he'd kill her? What reason did he have? It seemed like he was set up but we probably wont know for another 18 years.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 22-12-2015 6:32pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That was a hard watch but totally binged it in two days so compelling.

So what to do people think those who watched it all
innocent or guilty?

I would have the same view as the lawyer and say
I hope he is guilty because if he's not the miscarriages of Justice to the same man is beyond belief

Tilly wrote: »

I just dont see why he'd kill her? What reason did he have? It seemed like he was set up but we probably wont know for another 18 years.

I think he's innocent just because of all the contradictory evidence - it definitely did seem like someone was trying to set him up, and all the cops/prosecution team seemed dodgy as f**k, while I thought the defense lawyers and Steven came across really genuine throughout. It would be great if the series led to the case gaining new interest and we see it reopened again, like in Paradise Lost or The Jinx.

Checkmate19 · 22-12-2015 9:16pm

Watched the first two amazing stuff. Watching the rest now. Love these things only thing is they are hard to stop watching once you start.

PressRun · 22-12-2015 10:46pm

Only on episode 4, but it's riveting stuff. I like how it's touching on some more far-reaching issues than just a murder mystery. Obviously there is a murder at the centre of it, but I like how they're exploring the ways in which the powerful can easily take advantage of and exploit the poorly educated lower class too. Again, I'm not finished it, but from what I've seen so far, it's a pretty tragic insight into the lives of the disadvantaged and an overall indictment of the class system in America, as much as anything else.

Mike Guide 69 · 22-12-2015 11:42pm

Bit of useless info, but did anyone notice the nice sculpture which looked like two hurlers on the locker in the office of the main defense attorney ,Dean Strang, at the start of episode 8, looked a really cool piece, wonder how he came by it :cool:??? (apologies for the useless input), still an amazing documentary and making my way through it

Missyelliot2 · 23-12-2015 1:33am

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Bit of useless info, but did anyone notice the nice sculpture which looked like two hurlers on the locker in the office of the main defense attorney ,Dean Strang, at the start of episode 8, looked a really cool piece, wonder how he came by it :cool:??? (apologies for the useless input), still an amazing documentary and making my way through it

I saw that! Over his left shoulder, a bronze statue of two hurlers!
I should go to bed, but it's riveting - the corruption in the police force is breathtaking.

I think her brother and boyfriend are extremely dodgy....

FouxDaFaFa · 23-12-2015 4:02am

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Bit of useless info, but did anyone notice the nice sculpture which looked like two hurlers on the locker in the office of the main defense attorney ,Dean Strang, at the start of episode 8, looked a really cool piece, wonder how he came by it :cool:??? (apologies for the useless input), still an amazing documentary and making my way through it

That's hilarious, I was distracted by that too. I was trying to work out if it was Hurling or something else like lacrosse. It was nice.

Speaking of "did anyone else notice that", in episode 8 or 9, was I halllucinating or was

Andy Colburn escorting Brendan Dassey in court? It seems highly inappropriate but I'm pretty sure there was a shot of him sitting behind Brendan in his uniform, on the job.

23-12-2015 1:43pm

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Bit of useless info, but did anyone notice the nice sculpture which looked like two hurlers on the locker in the office of the main defense attorney ,Dean Strang, at the start of episode 8, looked a really cool piece, wonder how he came by it :cool:??? (apologies for the useless input), still an amazing documentary and making my way through it

As mentioned above its most likely Lacrosse.
Especially given his lack of an Irish name, the location etc(not a hub for Irish activity).

ASoberThought · 23-12-2015 2:22pm

I have also just completed the whole 10 parts. A really good watch that is also very sad and disappointing at the same time.

Ken Kratz & Len Kachinsky are two major creeps.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 23-12-2015 2:28pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Speaking of "did anyone else notice that", in episode 8 or 9, was I halllucinating or was
Andy Colburn escorting Brendan Dassey in court? It seems highly inappropriate but I'm pretty sure there was a shot of him sitting behind Brendan in his uniform, on the job.

Yes I spotted that too and thought I was seeing things, but if we both saw it, it must be true...

Chocolate girl · 23-12-2015 2:30pm

Have just added to my list that's my next watch thanks op sounds great ðŸ˜€

ASoberThought · 23-12-2015 2:35pm

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

Yes I spotted that too and thought I was seeing things, but if we both saw it, it must be true...

It was true and struck me as inappropriate also.

sheep? · 23-12-2015 4:39pm

Tilly wrote: »

I just don't see why he'd kill her? What reason did he have? It seemed like he was set up but we probably wont know for another 18 years.

That kept going through my head as well...where was the motive? They had absolutely no physical evidence of sexual assault, or psychological issues. All they had was dodgy evidence and conflicting witness statements.

Whether he's innocent or guilty is beyond me, but judging on the evidence presented in this documentary, I can't see how the guilty verdict was given.

It's bloody depressing at times, but majorly compelling viewing. Watched it over two days. Could probably have done with an hour or two less.

As a slight aside and purely on the aesthetics of the documentary, the intro is magnificent. Especially the music.

Highly recommended viewing.

horsebox09 · 25-12-2015 12:51am

Just on the fourth ep now, absolutely terrific so fat, finding it hard not to put my fist through my tele at tines, though!
"What happened to her head?", you'll be hard pressed to find a person being more coached into "confessing" to an act than in that video, genuine manipulation of a kid who'd make Forest Gump look like Einstein

oleras · 25-12-2015 1:58am

Where does this form land on Spoilers ?

I am of the opinion none are needed when it is released in full, i watched it all and then came in here, where does the line stop ?

Some mod direction please.

edit:

From the charter,

Remember, not everyone may have seen a TV show.
If you are giving away plot points, please use the spoiler tag.
To do this, put (spoiler) (/spoiler) around the text. (replace the () brackets with [] brackets.)

It will then look like this:

Spoiler: This is a spoiler

Yeah, that doesnt work imo.

Haven't a clue to be honest, i would hope he is innocent. Dont like the ex bf though, that touching on the deleted messages was very suggestive, as if he had left "im a gona kill u " type message and deleted them.

As for Brendan, poor misfortune, him and the mother i really feel for, caught up in the madness of it all and both didn't deserve that.

Dots1982 · 26-12-2015 4:40am

Watching Ep 4, I'm sorry this kid Brendan is a whole new level of stupid.

And as for the accused getting a fair trial, laughable.

The law in this PD are in the business of getting convictions. Doesn't matter who gets convicted.

J. Marston · 26-12-2015 2:52pm

Finished it. What do people think?

I'm really not sure about Avery. Could be innocent or guilty, I just can't make my mind up. I believe Dassey is 100% innocent though. Depressing to see how much that kid was fúcked over by the law.

Slippin Jimmy · 26-12-2015 3:00pm

On episode 6 now. Its so well done. I'm taking my time watching them and really really enjoying them.

I felt sorry for that fella Brendan. They really took advantage of him.

Checkmate19 · 27-12-2015 2:15am

Its scary stuff.

Vodkat · 27-12-2015 7:22pm

I just binge watched MaM and feel in a place of limbo after it, completely undecided about whether Steven is guilty or not. I think the way the documentary is depicted is biased towards innocence and they apparently left out some crucial evidence. I know that polygraph tests are inadmissible in court but there are a few people that I would love to see them carry out a polygraph on!

finglashoop · 27-12-2015 8:02pm

Vodkat wrote: »

I just binge watched MaM and feel in a place of limbo after it, completely undecided about whether Steven is guilty or not. I think the way the documentary is depicted is biased towards innocence and they apparently left out some crucial evidence. I know that polygraph tests are inadmissible in court but there are a few people that I would love to see them carry out a polygraph on!

Ill try this with out trying to spoil

What sort of crucial evidence are they leaving out? would they have just left it out to suit theie narrative of innocence. I thought both were brought with circumstantial evidence. I thought it was balanced in as much as both got screen time presenting case in court / press conferences.

I was aware of this case through a podcast but the watching of it is surreal to think its possible.

27-12-2015 8:45pm

What fantastic TV… somewhere between episodes 4 and 6 I've vacillated completely; but with so many conflicting possibilities and agendas and motives this is never going to be resolved.

At the end of the day so many personal tragedies and lives destroyed. Feels like the victim, Teresa Halbach, has been lost to the intrigue though. This must be a very difficult time for her family.

Terrifying… and for sure it's happened before and will again.

Vodkat · 27-12-2015 11:26pm

finglashoop wrote: »

Ill try this with out trying to spoil

What sort of crucial evidence are they leaving out? would they have just left it out to suit theie narrative of innocence. I thought both were brought with circumstantial evidence. I thought it was balanced in as much as both got screen time presenting case in court / press conferences.

I was aware of this case through a podcast but the watching of it is surreal to think its possible.

Don't want to spoil either so won't post the email on here but a Reddit user contacted Ken Kratz about the docuseries and he informed the user of some evidence that was not included in the series. It's an interesting read too, however I cannot fully believe Ken. i am swayed more in the direction of innocence but there's something that doesn't sit well with me.

if Avery is not responsible then who is? It would take an awful lot of planning to frame him. Its very coincidental that Threasa would go missing after Avery being the last person to see her. But on the other hand I think her ex boyfriend is a shady character! I completely agree that most of the evidence is circumstantial and there are HUGE conflicts of interest throughout. I would just love to see Steven Avery polygraph tested

I also agree with Cali girl that the victim does seem to get lost throughout and the main focus is on the police and the accused. I'm off now to binge watch Staircase!

Sunflower 27 · 28-12-2015 5:45am

sheep? wrote: »

That kept going through my head as well...where was the motive? They had absolutely no physical evidence of sexual assault, or psychological issues. All they had was dodgy evidence and conflicting witness statements.

Whether he's innocent or guilty is beyond me, but judging on the evidence presented in this documentary, I can't see how the guilty verdict was given.

It's bloody depressing at times, but majorly compelling viewing. Watched it over two days. Could probably have done with an hour or two less.

As a slight aside and purely on the aesthetics of the documentary, the intro is magnificent. Especially the music.

Highly recommended viewing.

I totally agree with the intro. It is brilliant.

Am finding myself getting angrier and angrier watching this. The leading of Brendan re the 'head' had me raging.

Slippin Jimmy · 28-12-2015 8:07am

Finished this off last night. I am truly disappointed with the ending, not because how it was made, but because of the outcome.

Absolutely a must watch. The intro is brilliant like a lot of shows on Netflix.

Sunflower 27 · 28-12-2015 8:52am

Check out this statement by Kratz. He made my skin crawl throughout. It is clear these men truly thought they were invincible.

This clip shows Kratz up for the cretin he is.

http://stevenavery.org/ken-kratz-sex-scandal

Sunflower 27 · 28-12-2015 9:03am

horsebox09 wrote: »

Just on the fourth ep now, absolutely terrific so fat, finding it hard not to put my fist through my tele at tines, though!
"What happened to her head?", you'll be hard pressed to find a person being more coached into "confessing" to an act than in that video, genuine manipulation of a kid who'd make Forest Gump look like Einstein

I know. When he asked if they would be finished by 1.29 so he had to.w to hand in his school project. Oh my God. They made him feel as if he agreed to everything they coerced him into saying that he would be OK, just as long as he was "honest".

"What did he do to her head, what else and what else, and what else."

Where was his lawyer?

That interrogation should never have been allowed to stand.

I'm going to do a marathon today and this eve and watch it all.

And where is any blood or dna if Teresa was assaulted in the house?

I thought it interesting that the guy that did the e-fit drawing that helped convict Steven Avery the first time, later said dna evidence could be planted wgen Avery was freed because if dna evidence, and that appears to be exactly what happened with the key that just suddenly turned up on the floor of Steven's bedroom days after the initial search.

Unbelievable.

ASoberThought · 28-12-2015 9:10am

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Check out this statement by Kratz. He made my skin crawl throughout. It is clear these men truly thought they were invincible.

This clip shows Kratz

It's sick to watch this man. You can find the Kratz law firm by searching via Google and many people on reddit have even received a response when mailing him about the case.

Sunflower 27 · 28-12-2015 11:56am

ASoberThought wrote: »

It's sick to watch this man. You can find the Kratz law firm by searching via Google and many people on reddit have even received a response when mailing him about the case.

Really, do you have a link? Kratz makes me physically sick. He is so smug when that young Brendan 'confesses'.

I really hope the outrage reopens this case. I watched the confession again with Brendan. It is incredible that was even accepted as a confession.

Checkmate19 · 28-12-2015 7:17pm

Excellent documentary. Very hard to watch at times. Watched it in two sittings just couldn't wait to see what happened. Netflix do some really great stuff. I think this is the best documentary i have ever seen.

Sunflower 27 · 28-12-2015 8:35pm

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Excellent documentary. Very hard to watch at times. Watched it in two sittings just couldn't wait to see what happened. Netflix do some really great stuff. I think this is the best documentary i have ever seen.

Me too. I loved Steven's lawyers. They missed nothing.

El Inho · 28-12-2015 8:40pm

After watching....

Isn't it horrible to sit there thinking, this entire 10 hours or so have convinced me of this man's innocence, yet right now he sits in prison....

Incredible documentary though.

lukegriffen · 28-12-2015 11:02pm

I watched it in two sittings, riveting stuff. I thought the Avery family were very stoic, they held themselves v.well, always seemed v.composed. If that was me I would have gone out of my mind.

I skipped through most of episode 9 I was so sure of the jury verdict in the 1st case, wow. I would have loved to have heard an alternate view from a juror who was convinced of their guilt. For 12 people to convict, there must have been something substantial that wasn't obvious to the viewer

sheep? · 28-12-2015 11:43pm

lukegriffen wrote: »

I watched it in two sittings, riveting stuff. I thought the Avery family were very stoic, they held themselves v.well, always seemed v.composed. If that was me I would have gone out of my mind.
I skipped through most of episode 9 I was so sure of the jury verdict in the 1st case, wow. I would have loved to have heard an alternate view from a juror who was convinced of their guilt. For 12 people to convict, there must have been something substantial that wasn't obvious to the viewer

Remember that juror that was excused for family reasons? He said it was a 7-3 split in favour of not guilty when they took their first vote (with 2 undecided). Went on to talk about obstinate people etc.

carter10 · 29-12-2015 1:43am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

That's hilarious, I was distracted by that too. I was trying to work out if it was Hurling or something else like lacrosse. It was nice.

Speaking of "did anyone else notice that", in episode 8 or 9, was I halllucinating or was
Andy Colburn escorting Brendan Dassey in court? It seems highly inappropriate but I'm pretty sure there was a shot of him sitting behind Brendan in his uniform, on the job.

I think it was hurlers: the top of lacrosse sticks are wider and the players tend to hold the sticks differently than hurlers i.e. one hand down the middle of the shaft.
Also that defense lawyer played minor with Wisconsin in the late 80s- good wristy corner forward!

Also noticed Andy Colburn in episode 9 definitely seemed inappropriate given the circumstances and only adds to the sense of shadiness of the proceedings. He also seems to be smirking. Really struck me that bit

Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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