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Irish army could be deployed on the streets to combat rioting.

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    #2
    Palmerstown_guy
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    I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

    Pathetic.


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    mickoneill30
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    Palmerstown_guy wrote: »
    I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

    Pathetic.

    Are you saying you'd want the army in to investigate murders?


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    [Deleted User]
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    Palmerstown_guy wrote: »
    I can't believe we let the gangland murders pile up and then call the army in for some riots. Priorities?

    Pathetic.

    How the heck would the army stop gangland murders?

    And why would there be any priority on stopping gangland murders?
    More innocent people get hurt in riots.


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    #5
    Dartz
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    It is one of the specific duties of the army after all, as definied by the constitution.

    Aid the Civil Power, or somesuch.

    It doesn't really surprise me at all.


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    K-Ren
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    Did anyone else just think of pirates roaming the streets?

    The Arrrrrrrrmy.


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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,154 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Come budget day, this may well prove to be money well spent!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Palmerstown_guy
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    It would be one way to deter them from selling drugs to the public, so yes, I would!

    Gangland violence, drugs directly and indirectly affects all of Dublin. A clamp down by the army and a good shake up would be the right thing.


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    Davexirl
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    At least they'll be prepared!!!


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    tallaght01
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    So what.


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    #11
    godtabh
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    I think they are expecting what happened in Iceland to happen here


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    Long Onion
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    The Irish army deployed to quell the rioting mobs?

    No tanks.


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    Sheeps
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    We should get actually use our defense forces for something. Make them worth paying for. Deploy them in a warzone for peace keeping duties, like Finglas or Moyross or somewhere like that.


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    Biggins
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    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Come budget day, this may well prove to be money well spent!
    There could be more truth in that than might be in jest? :confused:


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    Palmerstown_guy
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    If the Army could prevent even one less gangland murder...just to reduce the number of dead bodies turning up, ...it would be beneficial to all of Dublin.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    Palmerstown_guy wrote: »
    If the Army could prevent even one less gangland murder...just to reduce the number of dead bodies turning up, ...it would be beneficial to all of Dublin.
    Anti riot equipment is fe*ck all good in fighting gangland murders.


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    Biggins
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Anti riot equipment is fe*ck all good in fighting gangland murders.

    Very true. Riot gear by its very nature, is for crowd control.
    Since when have we seen large rioting people in relation to gangland murders?
    I smell a rat and someone in a government department is preparing for trouble elsewhere (I wonder where or why! :rolleyes: ) and someone is using a miserable poor excuse to stock up for the near future?
    Thats that notion again that they think we are all stupid! Sadly, they know some will fall for it.


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    godtabh
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    Just looking at the link again and it doesnt metion gangland any where


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    #19
    I_am_Jebus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭I_am_Jebus


    TBH, just sounds like more stirring the sh1t.

    I can't see the army being deployed and I can't see mass rioting anyway. It's not in our general nature. Unless of course you've a wardrobe full of celtic jerseys and an "Eire 32" tattoo. :rolleyes:


    EDIT:

    Asked if the equipment was being procured to cope with large-scale public demonstrations over government cutbacks and policies a Defence Forces spokesman said: "No. It's being bought to replace existing stocks."

    He explained that the Army has a crowd control anti-riot role if needed but "since the Troubles we have had a stock of anti-riot equipment in barracks, its been that way since the Seventies".

    "But, no, we have not been told to be ready for November 24," he said, referring to the the proposed national strike on that day.

    So you have the above in the article and yet the opening sentence of the article is:
    The Army is gearing up to deal with possible public disorder on our streets.

    More OTT retarded journalism....

    If i was so inclined I'd weep for the future of this country


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    Long Onion
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    I'm all for it, provided we get an undertaking that they will practice out in Rossport.


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    Biggins
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    kearnsr wrote: »
    Just looking at the link again and it doesn't mention gangland anywhere.
    True.
    Just out of curiosity, what happens to the older riot gear? Anyone know?
    Can I buy it?


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    Mr. Presentable
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Reading in the Independent the Army are to be provide with €300,000 worth of anti riot kit. This my not seem a lot but it would certainly provide enough soldiers with enough perspex shields, batons, pepper spray and stun guns. :eek:

    We may be asking ourselves why the hell would we need he army out in the streets quelling riots? Answer to that could be that the Gardai themselves may be the ones that could be rioting. :D

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/8364300000-spent-on-irish-army-riot-kit-1943964.html

    COULD!
    COULD! COULD! COULD!

    Did you even read the article you're spouting off about?

    This is replacement gear. It is replacing gear they already have. It is not a new equipping of the defence forces to batter tree huggers. It is to provide them with a defence against violent law-breakers, mostly anticipated for use (if the past is anything to go by) in peace-keeping missions overseas.


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    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    nipplenuts wrote: »
    This is replacement gear. It is replacing gear they already have. It is not a new equipping of the defence forces to batter tree huggers. It is to provide them with a defence against violent law-breakers, mostly anticipated for use (if the past is anything to go by) in peace-keeping missions overseas.


    This might be of some internet to you. Its a RTE news clip showing our troops quelling rioting Albanian's in Kosovo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM1Vbs5L0t4


    Its worth a watch.


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    the locust
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    OP
    - All armies train for rioting this article is nothing unusual

    - 300,000 isn't a lot of money at all. Its really not when your talking about full riot gear for the army

    - The defense forces said themselves this isn't a response to public unrest over govt cutbacks. They won't be taking to the irish streets any time yet.

    - The defense forces hinted that they are merely replacing their stock, as a lot of thier riot gear is 30 years old.


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    #25
    Mr. Presentable
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    Hadley Raspy Grass wrote: »
    This might be of some internet to you. Its a RTE news clip showing our troops quelling rioting Albanian's in Kosovo.


    Its worth a watch.

    It is of "internet" to me ;) That's what I was reminded of when I was posting. It illustrates the need for good equipment well.


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    Palmerstown_guy
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    The point was, there are spending all this tax money and throwing in the army for some "riots" and sitting back and doing feck all for our bigger drug gangland problem. Sad.


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    Theta
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    The money was prob already in the budget for the army and besides that it will most likely be used abroad rather then here.

    And as for the gangland argument the money like I said is most likely part of the budget for the army so its not like they are taking money away from anything.


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    #28
    Jumpy
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    Heh. All this ire and no one has copped who wrote the thread.


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    neil_purdy
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    Palmerstown_guy wrote: »
    It would be one way to deter them from selling drugs to the public, so yes, I would!

    Gangland violence, drugs directly and indirectly affects all of Dublin. A clamp down by the army and a good shake up would be the right thing.

    WHAT??????


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    funk-you
    Registered Users Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭funk-you


    You got your tin-foil had and throwing rock ready RTDH?

    -Funk


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    #31
    hobochris
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    Bringing in the army to deal with gang land violence would be a very silly and over the top move, In fact it would contradict our legal system.

    The army are trained to fight in wars, provide security and piece keeping, step in to keep basic services running in the event of an emergency and protect the sovereignty of the Irish state.

    They are not trained to deal with civilian crime such as drugs and gang land violence, if they were brought in for such an issue it would be more likely that they would end up in a fire fight with the gangs or in the course of arresting the gang members they would impeach on there civil liberties which in turn would have the case struck out in court as a military arrest is different to a civil arrest performed by the Garda.


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