Big clamp down on MP3 & DVD piracy in the UK. Ireland will follow.

Run_to_da_hills · 24-07-2008 5:07pm #1

It will only a matter of time before this country follows the UK with pressure coming from INFACT and PPI. Basically those that are file sharing can be easily traced and their ISP's are then forced to take action with a letter in writing. They recon this warning is enough to scare people off, usually the parents of the offending kids, the last thing they want is a 4 figure fine. . Some ISPs will be forced to throttle downloading of offenders. http://uk.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUKL417986520080724

The horse has already left the gate with the majority of music, IE anyone who is into classic rock and metal would have no trouble finding someone with a hdd full of this stuff, I think those that would be downloading anything now would be those trying to get the latest releases.

Maximilian · 24-07-2008 5:14pm

I'm no computer scientician but isn't it true that if you encrypt your data envelopes or whatever on the torrent yoke you use for the internets, the people dressed like familiar furry domestic animals in the ceiling can't tell what the hell you're downloading.

The other point is, once they find a way to defeat torrents, another system will pop up.

Kind of like Whack-A-Mole really.

The real reason piracy is so utterly rampant is that the Music Industry has been taking the absolute piss out of consumers for years and everyone knows it. Nobody really has any sympathy for them and now they have a way to extract revenge. Rather than change their ways, the music industry are blindly trying to hold on to the old system. Still trying to charge the same price for a product that now costs them far, far less as a download.

The music industry did this to themselves.

Its all about price. This will all end when some music company realises that people will pay €1 or €2 max for an album, probably what they earned off CD's anyway after all overheads, and then people will buy and not pirate. They'll make more money than they ever did I reckon.

Run_to_da_hills · 24-07-2008 5:28pm

Maximilian wrote: »

I'm no computer scientician but isn't it true that if you encrypt your data envelopes or whatever on the torrent yoke you use for the internets, the people dressed like familiar furry domestic animals in the ceiling can't tell what the hell you're downloading.

The other point is, once they find a way to defeat torrents, another system will pop up.

Kind of like Whack-A-Mole really.

The real reason piracy is so utterly rampant is that the Music Industry has been taking the absolute piss out of consumers for years and everyone knows it. Nobody really has any sympathy for them and now they have a way to extract revenge. Rather than change their ways, the music industry are blindly trying to hold on to the old system. Still trying to charge the same price for a product that now costs them far, far less as a download.

The music industry did this to themselves.

Its all about price. This will all end when some music company realises that people will pay €1 or €2 max for an album, probably what they earned off CD's anyway after all overheads, and then people will buy and not pirate. They'll make more money than they ever did I reckon.

ISPs can normally tell downloaders by the high volume traffic that they are downloading. A good it. detective can trace the IP address of this traffic. Also many down loaders are foolish enough to give their credit card / pay pall account out to gain a preferential membership with these torrent sites. these preferential services would provide a faster download, less leaching, less pop ups, less errors etc. Once a torrent site is busted all this information is handed over to the authorities. It happened with Pirate Bay not too long ago.

I agree that the music industry shot themselves in the foot, charging e20 for a 16 track CD that would only have two tracks that you wanted.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 5:31pm

I think if you are seeding a torrent file then your IP address is stored as part of the torrent file.
As for my music, it's all mine mr. officer. I wouldn't download porn if you paid me, let alone hippidy hoppidy or whatever it is you are after.

Kold · 24-07-2008 5:34pm

Jihad tbh.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 5:35pm

Kold wrote: »

Jihad tbh.

What did TBH ever do to you?

Kold · 24-07-2008 5:36pm

dr.bollocko wrote: »

What did TBH ever do to you?

He stole my favourite internet acronym. Burn the heretic.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 5:38pm

Kold wrote: »

He stole my favourite internet acronym. Burn the heretic.

Cool.
You just invented one.
Instead of TBH, we now have BTH.
Nice. And mean to heretics.
Double word score buddy!

Blisterman · 24-07-2008 5:39pm

All they're doing is sending out letters.

Are the ISPs really gonna disconnect people, lose their business, and have the customer warn all their friends against using them, thereby losing more potential customers, just to please the record labels?

I highly doubt it. It's not the ISps fault people are downloading music. That's like blaming the national roads authority, for drunk drivers.

Maximilian · 24-07-2008 5:39pm

dr.bollocko wrote: »

What did TBH ever do to you?

Probably allowed pictures of Mohammad to be downloaded with Durka Durka ringtones.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 5:41pm

Mr.S wrote: »

well when your downloading a torrent, you can see all the IP address that your sharing the file to, so its fairly easy for anyone to see what your downloading.

Thank god hentai is still free.

TwoShedsJackson · 24-07-2008 5:42pm

If you're using a wireless connection, unpassword it and give it the 'who me guv?' approach if they say anything. 'Nah must have been someone in one of the fifty houses with 300 yards of here'.

Blisterman · 24-07-2008 5:43pm

If they brought in this law, I'd just connect to my neighbours or local coffee shops networks every time I wanted to download music.
Or I'd leave my network unsecured, and claim it was someone else piggybacking on it.

It's completely unenforceble.

Edit: Looks like great minds think alike TwoShedsJackson.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 5:45pm

I think because IP addresses are transient anyway, its the MAC address that the IP is tied to that they'll gitcha with Blisterman.
The mac is one of those things that doesnt change and is a unique id for your pc.
They really are bastards.

Fresh Pots · 24-07-2008 5:51pm

Mr.S wrote: »

its your responsiblity to secure your network, at least thats the law in other countrys, no idea what ol' Ireland has in place.

But with MAC address, they could in theory, prove it was your PC downloading the stuff.

Yeah i don't think they'll fall for the shaggy approach of it wasn't me. Would they not be able to get a warrant to search the laptop of the offending mac address?

Dave! · 24-07-2008 5:51pm

If I got a letter from my ISP then I'd probably stop tbh. But at the mo it's worth the risk because f*ck all people have been fined over here, and those that are fined are usually sharers, which I am not. I'm a leech

5starpool · 24-07-2008 5:59pm

Feck the music, it's tv shows that we can sometimes wait years here for on tv that will affect me most if this does happen, and it is bound to sooner or later, in a limited fashion at least.

thelordofcheese · 24-07-2008 6:02pm

Mr.S wrote: »

its your responsiblity to secure your network, at least thats the law in other countrys, no idea what ol' Ireland has in place.

But with MAC address, they could in theory, prove it was your PC downloading the stuff.

Mac spoofing, ain't it grand

Terry · 24-07-2008 6:13pm

Zipped files.

Degsy · 24-07-2008 6:18pm

Is there any easy way to copy and burn dvds?I cant seem to get DVD shrink to work,it keeps saying "no disc" even though there is a blank one in the drive.

justbringit89 · 24-07-2008 6:23pm

download from rapidshare will still work as the files are zipped and a direct download

Dave! · 24-07-2008 6:30pm

Is it legal to rip DVDs (for backup purposes)? I believe it is for CDs.

And is there any free DVD ripper about?

Terry · 24-07-2008 6:33pm

Dave! wrote: »

Is it legal to rip DVDs (for backup purposes)? I believe it is for CDs.

And is there any free DVD ripper about?

Still illegl as far as I know.
Same law as CDs.

If you want to know about burning DVDs, there's a thread in the computer section.

Run_to_da_hills · 24-07-2008 6:36pm

Blisterman wrote: »

If they brought in this law, I'd just connect to my neighbours or local coffee shops networks every time I wanted to download music.
Or I'd leave my network unsecured, and claim it was someone else piggybacking on it.

It's completely unenforceble.

Edit: Looks like great minds think alike TwoShedsJackson.

Unauthorised piggybacking of WIFI accounts will be the next big clamp down and will be treated the same as stealing, already a serious offence in some countries.

When they start to bring in these strict rules making the owner of a wifi responsible for what is being downloaded people will be fast in securing their WIFI accounts. Free wifi is getting harder to pick up in apartment complexes, alott of this is also to do with ISPs having a cap, ie once bitten twice shy, someone gets a huge bill for excessive downloading when they only use it for brousing. They then secure it. (There is ways around this too

)

Any PC on the net using WIFI or not can be tracked within several feet if wanted to by the authorities. Internet cafés are cra^p for downloading because their speed can be very limited.

With regards to those letters, It will be the parents of school kids that will take these serious and will police their kids using the PC. The letters will probably be in the same format and style as a solicitors letter to give added freak out.

It BeeMee · 24-07-2008 6:44pm

Dave! wrote: »

Is it legal to rip DVDs (for backup purposes)? I believe it is for CDs.

And is there any free DVD ripper about?

Available free for a limited time:
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2008 6:47pm

DHCP Logs maybe?
From those evil ISPs?
Trust me bedlam, they're monitoring it all. Porn, scat, boards, MP3s, russian brides, thai brides, phillipino brides, S and M, M and S, PMs to dudess. They got me for everything.

Arathorn · 24-07-2008 6:52pm

Wouldn't it be the mac address of your wireless router anyway

Conor108 · 24-07-2008 7:09pm

Peerguardian 2 and proxies ftw

Dman001 · 24-07-2008 7:35pm

I heard on the radio that if thy catch you downloading illegally, they will slow down you internet speed. I love the way the Music Companies and Studios give out about illegal downloading butthey don't give us any decent downloading service. I suppose we do have iTunes but if they are so unhappy with people illegally downloading, they would give us DRM free music and a decent video downloading service. I know there is alot to do with the Rights to obtain, but it doesn't take 4/5 years to get the rights. Even if they gave us a digital copy on a DVD to put on our iPods/MP4 player. And the fact that its illegal to put your own CD/DVD on you device would drive anyone to get music/videos illegally. There's so much they could do but they are too busy giving America all the download services and leaving us in the cold. It's such a joke they way they go on and then they wonder why people do it.

Supercell · 24-07-2008 7:43pm

Cant see this affecting newsgroup downloaders as they don't upload any content. AFAIK they still operate with impunity even in RIAA riddled GBushland.

Holsten · 24-07-2008 8:09pm

I have to LOL @ any type of so called 'crackdown'.

They'll never stop it, never.

Rapidshare 4tw.

Big clamp down on MP3 & DVD piracy in the UK. Ireland will follow.

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