Supplements

Cravez · 19-12-2008 10:29pm

Hanley wrote: »

Pure CEE is notoriously bitter.

Sure is, have a kilo of the stuff at home!

I first tried it with just water (big mistake), it tasted like like pure alcohol & endless wretching ensued

. Only way to down it is with high acidic juice like OJ. Regardless of what the studies etc say, iv have tried both CEE and Mono and CEE works better for me. That doesn't mean that it will work for everyone, iv had people say to me that they find Mono effective than CEE and others have said vice versa. What i recommend usually to anyone is try one Creatine first, then try the other after you finish that. Whatever one you feel is better of the two then stick with it.

jimmay · 22-12-2008 1:30pm

Im glad my question has raised some debate however I am none the wiser. I understand there is no clear answer as to what type is better and each person has to see what suits them. But is there like a recommended beginners creatine ar a more user friendly product that someone can reccomend that I don't need to load up on?

22-12-2008 3:42pm

If you want a creatine that you don't need to load on, use CEE. It's not PROVEN to be better but it is more expensive and can't be much worse (assuming) so if you want that, then go for it.

Otherwise you can just take monohydrate. Do you need creatine? Have you been working out long and is your diet and exercise plan in order? These are the questions you need to ask yourself and decide.

Hanley · 22-12-2008 11:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If you want a creatine that you don't need to load on, use CEE. It's not PROVEN to be better but it is more expensive and can't be much worse (assuming) so if you want that, then go for it.

Otherwise you can just take monohydrate. Do you need creatine? Have you been working out long and is your diet and exercise plan in order? These are the questions you need to ask yourself and decide.

That's a good post!

22-12-2008 11:52pm

Come on man, stop patronizing me.

Hanley · 23-12-2008 12:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Come on man, stop patronizing me.

*complimenting

yomchi · 24-12-2008 10:46am

Started using Olimp Massacra this week. I'm a big fan of the brand tbh.

However, on the instructions it says use 6 flat tablespoons or 90 measuring units of the Olimp scoop. Now this is clearly wrong, as the measuring scoop is about 30g worth.
I stuck to the tablespoons, has anyone else encountered this or is it just my batch?

On that note, has anyone else tried this stuff? It's a pre trainer NO booster, man the kick off it is awesome, and tastes not too bad either!

Hanley · 24-12-2008 1:27pm

Jon wrote: »

Started using Olimp Massacra this week. I'm a big fan of the brand tbh.

However, on the instructions it says use 6 flat tablespoons or 90 measuring units of the Olimp scoop. Now this is clearly wrong, as the measuring scoop is about 30g worth.
I stuck to the tablespoons, has anyone else encountered this or is it just my batch?

On that note, has anyone else tried this stuff? It's a pre trainer NO booster, man the kick off it is awesome, and tastes not too bad either!

It's it something along the lines of Xplode, NO-xplode and NRG Blast?? I might give it a try. I'm looking for something new because using the others too frequently tends to leave me desensitised to their effects, so I'm hoping by rotating them they'll keep working!

yomchi · 24-12-2008 2:26pm

Yeh it's super stuff. Mixes green though! I take citruline malate in the morning then have a massacra before training, did arms today and the swole up like quads!

Having said that arms arms are probably my best feature, apart from my rugged good looks

djtechnics1210 · 02-01-2009 6:41am

Is maximuscle promax any good????
which is better promax or or promax extreme????
Having difficulty deciding between the maximuscle range and supplement factory whey protein.
All help greatly appreciated

quirkster · 02-01-2009 11:45am

believe me when i say - stay.away.from.maximuscle.

their protein supps are TERRIBLE. i think promax only has 13grams per scoop, while all the other better brand would have 20+ grams at least.

Esse85 · 02-01-2009 2:46pm

quirkster wrote: »

believe me when i say - stay.away.from.maximuscle.

their protein supps are TERRIBLE. i think promax only has 13grams per scoop, while all the other better brand would have 20+ grams at least.

Can you back up where you make this claim??

There is nothing at all wrong with the quality of products maximuscle produce, the reason they get shot down is because you get so little for your money.

To answer the question, if money is no issue, then id be confident that maximuscle are slightly better quality, however if your like 98% of the country and your counting your pennies, then id suggest the supplement factory. The protein might be slightly inferior but i really doubt if it'll make any difference to your goals.

Let us know what you decide on...

Malteaser! · 02-01-2009 3:09pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Can you back up where you make this claim??

There is nothing at all wrong with the quality of products maximuscle produce, the reason they get shot down is because you get so little for your money.

To answer the question, if money is no issue, then id be confident that maximuscle are slightly better quality, however if your like 98% of the country and your counting your pennies, then id suggest the supplement factory. The protein might be slightly inferior but i really doubt if it'll make any difference to your goals.

Let us know what you decide on...

What makes you say that The Supplement Factory protein is inferior?!?

FunkZ · 02-01-2009 5:09pm

Malteaser! wrote: »

What makes you say that The Supplement Factory protein is inferior?!?

Personally, it doesn't sit well in my stomach. And I've seen other people post the same thing.

But it does taste excellent and mixes great.

nice_guy80 · 02-01-2009 5:12pm

I have been using RAM for the past few months - find it helps with recovery.

I want to start taking some protein or muscle gainer to help me add muscle. I'm doing good bit of lifting for strength 2-3 times a week. Have a good diet with plenty of healthy food.

money isn't an issue

Two questions:

Best product?
Where to order it?

cheers

eclectichoney · 02-01-2009 6:06pm

Malteaser! wrote: »

What makes you say that The Supplement Factory protein is inferior?!?

I use the Supplement Factory stuff and have got to say I find it great! One thing i did notice though is that when you add up the Macros, they exceed the total for the calories listed by a little??? It amazes me how they can get the carbs down to such an ickle amount, but I'm not gonna complain

yomchi · 02-01-2009 6:35pm

eclectichoney wrote: »

I use the Supplement Factory stuff and have got to say I find it great! One thing i did notice though is that when you add up the Macros, they exceed the total for the calories listed by a little??? It amazes me how they can get the carbs down to such an ickle amount, but I'm not gonna complain

How does that work out?

Anyone here tried Syntrax Nectar? My Jebus it's amazing in flavour.

eclectichoney · 02-01-2009 7:04pm

Jon wrote: »

How does that work out?

Anyone here tried Syntrax Nectar? My Jebus it's amazing in flavour.

Per 100g, it's 339 kcals - 5.1g of fat (46 kcals), 78g of protein (312) and 1.8g of carbs (7 kcals) = 365 kcals - only a small difference I know but it annoyed the statistician in me

That syntrax nectar stuff looks fab - bit it's very expensive

Esse85 · 02-01-2009 7:07pm

Malteaser! wrote: »

What makes you say that The Supplement Factory protein is inferior?!?

Because if you compare both labels, you'll see that Maximuscle is slightly superior to The Supplement Factory per serving.

yomchi · 02-01-2009 7:25pm

eclectichoney wrote: »

Per 100g, it's 339 kcals - 5.1g of fat (46 kcals), 78g of protein (312) and 1.8g of carbs (7 kcals) = 365 kcals - only a small difference I know but it annoyed the statistician in me

That syntrax nectar stuff looks fab - bit it's very expensive

40 quid in Caple street I believe. I tried Road side Lemon today, man it's the nicest thing i've ever tasted, no joke!

eclectichoney · 02-01-2009 7:49pm

Jon wrote: »

40 quid in Caple street I believe. I tried Road side Lemon today, man it's the nicest thing i've ever tasted, no joke!

Thanks Jon, but it's an awful small tub for that money! I think it's about €28-30 online if you're into that kinda thing

yomchi · 02-01-2009 8:35pm

I reckon so, it's worth it though. It'll be my staple isolate for the next while anyway

Hanley · 02-01-2009 8:47pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Because if you compare both labels, you'll see that Maximuscle is slightly superior to The Supplement Factory per serving.

Promax has 3% more protein, 75% more carbs, 25% more fat and 10% more calories.

That's quite some trade off for an extra gram of protein....

brianthebard · 02-01-2009 8:53pm

Jon wrote: »

I reckon so, it's worth it though. It'll be my staple isolate for the next while anyway

Thats whey isolate right, and a 2 lb tub? I've never tried this stuff, but at the same price for over twice as much product it might be worth a shot? http://www.universalnutrition.ie/viewproduct/18
you could do a product review for us?

eclectichoney · 02-01-2009 9:53pm

brianthebard wrote: »

Thats whey isolate right, and a 2 lb tub? I've never tried this stuff, but at the same price for over twice as much product it might be worth a shot? http://www.universalnutrition.ie/viewproduct/18
you could do a product review for us?

It's a pity there's 3g of carbs and fat in it though - I'd stick with the SF stuff over it imho. But nectar has zero carbs so it's a different story tbh.

Esse85 · 02-01-2009 10:10pm

Hanley wrote: »

Promax has 3% more protein, 75% more carbs, 25% more fat and 10% more calories.

That's quite some trade off for an extra gram of protein....

Malteaser! Can you see now why Maximuscle is more superior?

Malteaser! · 02-01-2009 11:08pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Malteaser! Can you see now why Maximuscle is more superior?

Eh no, having 75% more carbs and 25% more fat than the Supplement Factory hardly makes it superior.

Hanley · 02-01-2009 11:25pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Malteaser! Can you see now why Maximuscle is more superior?

For everything in life, there's a photo;

:D

yomchi · 03-01-2009 3:23am

brianthebard wrote: »

Thats whey isolate right, and a 2 lb tub? I've never tried this stuff, but at the same price for over twice as much product it might be worth a shot? http://www.universalnutrition.ie/viewproduct/18
you could do a product review for us?

will do! coming right up.

djtechnics1210 · 03-01-2009 8:18am

Sorry for stupid question lads.
Am just starting into talking whey protein as i am doing a lot of cv (running) exercise one day and then circuits of weights the next day, and so on.
Should i take it before or after workout and how often a day should I take it... result im looking for is to build up muscle, if it takes weeks so be it, its just i feel that whatever weight training I do i loose the benefits due to the cv work.
Thanks for advice in advance

FunkZ · 04-01-2009 6:26am

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Sorry for stupid question lads.
Am just starting into talking whey protein as i am doing a lot of cv (running) exercise one day and then circuits of weights the next day, and so on.
Should i take it before or after workout and how often a day should I take it... result im looking for is to build up muscle, if it takes weeks so be it, its just i feel that whatever weight training I do i loose the benefits due to the cv work.
Thanks for advice in advance

Drop the running for a while. Lift heavy weights, as you're probably already doing.

And take your whey supp after lifting. But have a good heqalthy diet, and eat loads to gain weight.

Pro-Nutrition · 04-01-2009 2:56pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Sorry for stupid question lads.
Am just starting into talking whey protein as i am doing a lot of cv (running) exercise one day and then circuits of weights the next day, and so on.
Should i take it before or after workout and how often a day should I take it... result im looking for is to build up muscle, if it takes weeks so be it, its just i feel that whatever weight training I do i loose the benefits due to the cv work.
Thanks for advice in advance

I have not been on the boards for a while, just flicking through today and seen your post.

If I was you I would cut back on the cardio while trying to build size. Do up your food intake within reason, some people do go over board with the MD'S and Subways thinking that they can turn fat into muscle. Up the calories, carbs and protein, depending on what you want out of it I would be more inclined to focus on my protein intake. Mainly because it’s easy to get carbs in and not so easy to get good quality protein in unless your to walk around with pounds of steak. If you want to just put on as much weight well go for it eat eat eat what ever but you will have more work to do when it comes to getting some sort of shape. Even off season for me I would focus on protein intake, that way when it comes to dieting I don’t have to drop 3-4 stone to look good. It’s up to you. Just make sure if you are still doing the cardio that you are taking in enough protein and fats so that when you are doing cardio your body is not eating into protein and fat reserves which you need to build muscle.

All the best and let us know how you get on

Pro-Nutrition · 04-01-2009 2:58pm

Jon wrote: »

will do! coming right up.

Jon,

Just sent you a PM.

Keith

ronbyrne2005 · 05-01-2009 7:33am

www.discount-supplements.co.uk

Some great bargains on this site with the sterling currency rate. I have ordered off them in the past and yesterday ordered 5lb reflex instant whey for around 27pound and they have MRPs by Met Rx on sale for half what you'd pay in Ireland (even on a website) free delivery from UK on orders over 200sterling.

nice_guy80 · 05-01-2009 5:15pm

www.discount-supplements.co.uk

at last somebody gave me a fecking answer...

What product should i get - protein wise. I noticed a few of them have creatine inbuilt.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-01-2009 6:01pm

Optimum Nutrition is always a good safe bet.

rubadub · 05-01-2009 10:34pm

Bulk powders have 5kg 80% whey for £29.99

Then delivery is £11.48 for parcelforce 48hr. So £41.44 in total so about €45-46, under €10 per kilo delivered.

£71.43 for 10kg since post remains the same. http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/product.php?xProd=276

postage remains only £11.48 for up to 4x5kg tubs. jumps to £21.85 @ 5 tubs. I think the parcelforce cut off is 25kg, so the containers and box must bring it up to near that with just 4. Works out about €7.25 per kilo delivered.

Hanley · 06-01-2009 12:21am

I'm gonna try out some of the Olimp stuff over the coming few months in the run up to the IDFPA national champs. I've a good 4-5kg to gain so hopefully it'll help!

I'll let y'all know how I get on!

Jimmy Bottlehead · 06-01-2009 12:36am

Nice one, I'd like to hear what the Olimp stuff is like... heard good things.

Does anybody have any experience with MyProtein.co.uk by the way?

Hanley · 06-01-2009 12:53am

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Nice one, I'd like to hear what the Olimp stuff is like... heard good things.

Does anybody have any experience with MyProtein.co.uk by the way?

I'm gonna try get some Massacra , a gainer and maybe a PWO shake if they have one and see what the story is. That and 1.5x the quantity of food I'm eating!!

A lot of english lads that post on powerliftinguk.com have a 5% discount code in their sig for myprotein which you should check out, they seem to get on well with it.

Bulkpowders.co.uk are a good bet.

Pro-Nutrition · 06-01-2009 2:19pm

Hanley wrote: »

I'm gonna try get some Massacra , a gainer and maybe a PWO shake if they have one and see what the story is. That and 1.5x the quantity of food I'm eating!!

A lot of english lads that post on powerliftinguk.com have a 5% discount code in their sig for myprotein which you should check out, they seem to get on well with it.

Bulkpowders.co.uk are a good bet.

Hanley, I was using the Olimp for a while to see what it was like and I have to say that I made great gains. As a gainer I was using the Gain Bolic and their Egg protein. You mentioned the Massacra, its good. You will get a good kick out of it. The only down side to it would be having to make it with hot water, but not a biggy. Taste good as well. Take it about 30 mins before you train and make sure that you have all your pre carbs in before.

kevpants · 09-01-2009 3:01pm

Just thought I'd post this as I feel it's what this thread is missing. I think this sh1t is hilarious...

Degsy · 09-01-2009 3:34pm

Yessir..them supplements REALLy work!

6stringmaniac · 11-01-2009 11:38pm

I don't really know alot about supplements. Ive heard about some side affects of them.
Are these true?
What are the negative consequences of taking supplements?

FunkZ · 11-01-2009 11:41pm

You grow biceps on your shoulders

Dean820 · 12-01-2009 4:00pm

What about buying those supplements in Argos? Are they all the same?

g'em · 12-01-2009 4:09pm

6stringmaniac wrote: »

I don't really know alot about supplements. Ive heard about some side affects of them.
Are these true?

What have you heard? I'm going to guess that by and large they're untrue.

6stringmaniac wrote:

What are the negative consequences of taking supplements?

It depends what you're taking. If you take too much Vitamin B complex your pee goes neon yellow. Harmless but hilarious. If you take too much whey you'll... well, you'll just get fat actually. Too much creatine? Hard to do, mostly just pee'd out of you. But some people report cramp and bloating with regular use creatine monohydrate. There's not very much in the way of really bad side effects with legal supplements to be honest, was there anything in particular you were worried about?

Satan Polaroid · 12-01-2009 6:00pm

Dean820 wrote: »

What about buying those supplements in Argos? Are they all the same?

I think it's Maximuscle that's sold in Argos?

I wouldn't go near it, to be honest. In my experience, it tends to put on 'love-handles'!

6stringmaniac · 12-01-2009 11:32pm

g'em wrote: »

What have you heard? I'm going to guess that by and large they're untrue.

Nothing too serious.
Just things like they are unhealthy and can be bad for you in the long term.
Also I heard that they can lead to things like stress and mood swings

Hanley · 12-01-2009 11:36pm

6stringmaniac wrote: »

Nothing too serious.
Just things like they are unhealthy and can be bad for you in the long term.

What is "unhealthy"... 99% of the things we do is unhealthy (and bad for us in the long term).

I find it hard to believe that someone who dillegently goes to the gym, trains hard, watches what they eat and has a protein shake afterwards will be more unhealthy, or in worse shape over the long term, than the person who sits at home watching TV with a glass of coke and a bag of crips!

Also I heard that they can lead to things like stress and mood swings

Working's a bitch isn't it??

Seriously, it's food. It's like eating a chicken breast, or drinking a pint of milk. If anyone told you that effected your mood you'd probably laugh in their face. I do the same to people who say it about supplements.

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