Miss Universe has a little secret...

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 4:51pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

Im sorry if I hurt your feelings , your here! your q.... etc .
so please dont get you're frilly knickers in a bunch. x

The sad thing is you're as proud of that nonsense as you are of your equally moronic "cats in crufts" analogy.

Try having less awful opinions, or if you can't do that at least stop voicing them.
It'll do you wonders.

ejmaztec · 10-04-2012 4:52pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Electroshock treatment is really the most cost effective and humane treatment.

It does if they expect the State to pay for the purely cosmetic and non health related operation.
If they pay for it themselves, fine, go knock yourself out.

But it doesn't end there.
They push to force the rest of society to accept them through legislation.
Why should we be forced to play along with someone else's delusion?

...so when was it you got traumatised by that lady-boy?

:pac:

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:54pm

hondasam wrote: »

I have to be honest and say no I would not. There would be lots of reasons.

thank you for an honest reply , can I ask would one of those reasons be because you would be really dating a man ?

Morlar · 10-04-2012 4:54pm

Seachmall wrote: »

If I got surgery to look like a giraffe, could I get employed at a petting zoo?

(I'd make a great giraffe by the way.)

You've some neck you have !

Sorry

No I'm not!

Mr Benevolent · 10-04-2012 4:55pm

Einhard wrote: »

Also, considering the massive complexity of the human mind, I think it far safer to change the body to suit the mind, rather than going down the route of attempting to re-wire someone psychologically in order to match their body. That's a hugely complex and dangerous area to be tinkering with.

Actually it's much easier, cheaper and less dangerous.

The King of Moo · 10-04-2012 4:55pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Nope, I threw in a trolling remark, as I was being asked for a solution that doesn't exist, so I gave any old answer.
We're being asked to accept people with psychological defects and pretend they're normal.

And even if that were true, what exactly would be the problem with that?

And since you don't think there's anything that can be done to "cure" transgender people, why not let them have the operation if it might at the very least give them some piece of mind?

I guess you'd rather they lived in mental torment, which, as has already been pointed out, leads to disproportionate suicide rates among people who don't identify with their biological identity.

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 4:56pm

hooradiation wrote: »

The sad thing is you're as proud of that nonsense as you are of your equally moronic "cats in crufts" analogy.

Try having less awful opinions, or if you can't do that at least stop voicing them.
It'll do you wonders.

ok sweet cheeks , we'll agree to disagree.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 5:00pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

ok sweet cheeks , we'll agree to disagree.

Hardly. That would be legitimising your terrible ideas and I see no reason to be that kind to you.

Flincher · 10-04-2012 5:00pm

Seachmall wrote: »

I see Miss Thailand taking it in 2013.

And 2014.

And 2015.

And 2016.

And...

Miss Thailand won't always be taking it.

She might a giver.

hondasam · 10-04-2012 5:01pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

thank you for an honest reply , can I ask would one of those reasons be because you would be really dating a man ?

I'm female. I would have to date a man who was actually born a woman. I know what you mean. It would be part of the reason plus the issue of children.

Gummy Panda · 10-04-2012 5:01pm

ejmaztec wrote: »

...so when was it you got traumatised by that lady-boy?

That scene in Hangover 2 I think happen to creeping

Hamhide · 10-04-2012 5:06pm

i tryed to kill myself twice and if i didnt get help and talk to the super awesome James Kelly himself I probably wont be here...let me tell everyone it doesnt matter what way u were orn in whats inside you and how you fell thats important.

If i makes u happy to travel the world,drink yourself silly to become a woman or a man then whats the problem? I'm very early into my transitation but i'm already 100times happyer then i was before.I can imagine how it would feel for a transgirl to win miss universe or a transman to win mr.Olympia

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 5:06pm

hondasam wrote: »

I'm female. I would have to date a man who was actually born a woman. I know what you mean. It would be part of the reason plus the issue of children.

oh , tbh I really dont have anything against people who are transgender , gay , lesbian , or whatever , in fact I think its good to be who you are , I just think miss Universe should be for real women , I mean there has to be a line drawn somewhere or whats next ??? the world is crazy enough as it is.

Hamhide · 10-04-2012 5:07pm

born* sorry

CreepingDeath · 10-04-2012 5:11pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

That scene in Hangover 2 I think happen to creeping

Nope, I'm just speaking out on the side of common sense here.

The only way a natural born man should be allowed to enter Miss World is through vaginal penetration.

corktina · 10-04-2012 5:11pm

Hmm transgender, any gender, same gender, opposite gender...who cares?, consenting adults can do as they please in my mind....(and THATS where 95% of an Orgasm is anyway.)..

live and let live, be happy.

Spunge · 10-04-2012 5:12pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDyZ02Ht2as

Manco · 10-04-2012 5:15pm

The transphobic scum doing themselves proud again on AH, I see...

Hamhide · 10-04-2012 5:18pm

its hard not to feed the trolls.they look so hunrgy

Andy!! · 10-04-2012 5:19pm

Bet they were GLAAD.

Morag · 10-04-2012 5:19pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

oh , tbh I really dont have anything against people who are transgender , gay , lesbian , or whatever , in fact I think its good to be who you are , I just think miss Universe should be for real women , I mean there has to be a line drawn somewhere or whats next ??? the world is crazy enough as it is.

So your saying it should be for women born women, why?

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 5:23pm

Sharrow wrote: »

So your saying it should be for women born women, why?

???

Badly Drunk Boy · 10-04-2012 5:23pm

So...does this mean that a person born a woman and had the operation to become a man is now no longer welcome to enter the Miss Universe competition?

(Not that they'd want to, I assume.)

CreepingDeath · 10-04-2012 5:27pm

Manco wrote: »

The transphobic scum doing themselves proud again on AH, I see...

The freak show has marched through AH again on yet another "pride parade" as soon as any transexual story is posted in mainstream news.

John Doe1 · 10-04-2012 5:28pm

Fair play to the lads

phill106 · 10-04-2012 5:32pm

The King of Moo wrote: »

If men who underwent transgender operations to become women retained superior strength and size (obviously not all men are bigger and stronger than women, but it's generally true) then that would be unfair.
If they lost these advantages, then it would probably be fine.

If that is the case then, if a man had surgery to become a woman, including for instance a boob job, would (s)he then be disqualified from a beauty contest?

Pherekydes · 10-04-2012 5:36pm

Confab wrote: »

Indeed. Men with grafted-on tits are not women. Still weirdly attractive though.

Half the "real" women probably have "grafted-on" tits.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 5:40pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Nope, I'm just speaking out on the side of common sense here.

What explicitly about the Miss Universe contest demands that the entrants be "natural born women" - is there some advantage that would be conferred to transgender contestants? Or a section in this prestigious event that would be impossible to perform for a transgendered person?
What aspect of a beauty contest would be undone that having a transgendered person enter?

Please let us know what the answer is. I mean unless you're just trying to dress up your ill thought through ideas with the pretence of "common sense" that is.

xsiborg · 10-04-2012 5:42pm

she's not the first one to be disqualified-

http://pageantuniverse.blogspot.com/2008/12/pageant-trivia-dethroned-disqualified.html

she IS the first one to hire a well known celebrity lawyer to promote herself fight her case after being disqualified, and i'd say the thoughts of the money involved changed donald trump's mind more than anything else!

also it's pretty much an irrelevant fapfest nowadays so they had to find some way to get it more publicity and have it remain somewhat relevant.

now i wonder when they'll stop the age discrimination and discriminating against women who have children... :rolleyes:

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 5:43pm

I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap

krudler · 10-04-2012 5:45pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap

yeah thats the same thing.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 5:45pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

I want to have an operation to become a Ford Fiesta and enter into a car show. oh wait.... I was born a man , ah crap

You do understand that analogies usually have to have at least some relation to the situation you're attempting to comment on, right?

How Soon Is Now · 10-04-2012 5:50pm

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The freak show has marched through AH again on yet another "pride parade" as soon as any transexual story is posted in mainstream news.

I have been waiting for someone else to say all the things you have been saying in this thread so thank you.

I see people saying ahh sure let them do what they like what harm are they doing......

I could just respond to that by saying well im doing no harm in having my own opinion.

Unfortunately thats not how it works in these situations though is it

.

We live in a world where we say and do and feel what ever we chose to at the end of the day.

Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 5:54pm

hooradiation wrote: »

You do understand that analogies usually have to have at least some relation to the situation you're attempting to comment on, right?

I know I wasnt completely serious , I just think you have to play the hand your dealt in life , and if that means not entering a pagent, well , life is tough.

krudler · 10-04-2012 5:56pm

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I have been waiting for someone else to say all the things you have been saying in this thread so thank you.

I see people saying ahh sure let them do what they like what harm are they doing......

I could just respond to that by saying well im doing no harm in having my own opinion.

Unfortunately thats not how it works in these situations though is it .

We live in a world where we say and do and feel what ever we chose to at the end of the day.

Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.

"its my opinion" is the go to response for ignorant bigots who cant fathom there are people who dont share their close minded views.

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 5:57pm

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Everyone has there own opinions deal with it.

Most people think theirs through, though.

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

I know I wasnt completely serious , I just think you have to play the hand your dealt in life , and if that means not entering a pagent, well , life is tough.

Well, it's rather easy to say "play the hand you're dealt" when the deck is stacked in your favour, isn't it.

Morlar · 10-04-2012 5:59pm

krudler wrote: »

"its my opinion" is the go to response for ignorant bigots who cant fathom there are people who dont share their close minded views.

Not being able to fathom that others do not share your views is not exclusive to people who are on just the one side of this discussion. You do know that right ?

Paulie Gualtieri · 10-04-2012 6:06pm

hooradiation wrote: »

Most people think theirs through, though.

Well, it's rather easy to say "play the hand you're dealt" when the deck is stacked in your favour, isn't it.

maybe so , suppose its hard to put yourself in that situation , so its difficult to grasp , but would not taking part in a pagent be the end of the universe?

Pherekydes · 10-04-2012 6:07pm

Morlar wrote: »

Not being able to fathom that others do not share your views is not exclusive to people who are on just the one side of this discussion. You do know that right ?

Ah, but one side has the rule of law to fall back on.

If you don't accept that, can we use electroshock treatment on you?

genericguy · 10-04-2012 6:08pm

if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.

gypsy_rose · 10-04-2012 6:09pm

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise the great importance and influence the Miss Universe contest has, God forbid someone change the rules and the winner looks pretty and does good works/representation/whatever the hell they do.

Is there a shortage of female born women on the internet to jack off to or something?

Eramen · 10-04-2012 6:10pm

Manco wrote: »

The transphobic scum doing themselves proud again on AH, I see...

'Transphobic', what a nice word.. You don't like a persons opinion so now you're trying to intimidate and de-legitimise because you don't want to engage in reasoned debate with them.

If you have to resort to name-calling and a cultural-marxist ideological framework you really have nothing to back up an opinion with.

genericguy · 10-04-2012 6:10pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

Ah, but one side has the rule of law to fall back on.

If you don't accept that, can we use electroshock treatment on you?

to be fair, the electro option is far less expensive than the other option some of these gay men who want to be women are constantly trying to get the government to pay for.

Gummy Panda · 10-04-2012 6:11pm

genericguy wrote: »

if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.

They can get birth certs changed

Pherekydes · 10-04-2012 6:11pm

genericguy wrote: »

if your birth cert says you're a man, then you're a man, and entering a pageant, whinging or parading around town in the most flamboyant of clothing is not going to change that.

They get their birth certs changed to reflect their current gender.

Didn't you know?

genericguy · 10-04-2012 6:11pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

They can get birth certs changed

that ultimately doesn't change the fact that they were born men, though, does it?

The King of Moo · 10-04-2012 6:12pm

phill106 wrote: »

If that is the case then, if a man had surgery to become a woman, including for instance a boob job, would (s)he then be disqualified from a beauty contest?

If they were judged to have to have cosmetic surgery designed to make them more conventionally attractive, rather than just hormone treatments and basic surgery, then yes, I think they should be disqualified if the competition bans the other contestants from having cosmetic surgery.

genericguy · 10-04-2012 6:13pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

They get their birth certs changed to reflect their current gender.

Didn't you know?

Yep, I did, however I can scribble on mine that I'm Ballabriggs but that doesn't mean I have a right to run in the fking grand national now, does it?

Gummy Panda · 10-04-2012 6:13pm

genericguy wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

They can get birth certs changed

that ultimately doesn't change the fact that they were born men, though, does it?

That's not what you said. So if their birth says they're a woman, then they're a woman

hooradiation · 10-04-2012 6:13pm

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

maybe so , suppose its hard to put yourself in that situation , so its difficult to grasp , but would not taking part in a pagent be the end of the universe?

I'll turn that question on it's head - what reason can you give as to why a transgendered person should not be be allowed to enter Miss Universe? Would they be gifted an unfair advantage? Or would there be aspects of the pageant they'd be incapable of performing?

If we accept it's a beauty contest and as such is simply about outward appearances then what's the issue?

Miss Universe has a little secret...

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