If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

juan.kerr · 30-04-2012 9:39am

ash23 wrote: »

Also, nobody here mentioning the father.

Doee she even know who the father is?

ash23 · 30-04-2012 9:40am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Doee she even know who the father is?

:rolleyes:

hattoncracker · 30-04-2012 9:42am

juan.kerr wrote: »

ash23 wrote: »

Also, nobody here mentioning the father.

Doee she even know who the father is?

Could be your son, or nephew..

Although for her sake I hope not.

Biggins · 30-04-2012 9:42am

Boiled down to the actual facts - which some fools seems to have missed - or want to miss!

* The girl wanted to be further educated.
* She and her mother I am assuming didn't want the young woman to be a further burden on the state so the mother (alone, if not with the daughter) also wished to see the girl back to education in hope of her getting a reasonable job after exams?
* A catholic school that in theory preaches "treat others as they might treat you" if their religion is supposed to be adhered to, rejected her in very unchristian charity like?

Frankly I think the person that rejected the young girl is an bigoted idiot who is as far away from being a charitable, helpful nice person as they could possibly be.
What an asshole!

chris2008x · 30-04-2012 9:43am

We are talking about a child which we don't know the whole story behind how she got pregnant. I think it is disgusting the people in this thread are making her out to be some sponging slut.

Think_then_talk · 30-04-2012 9:44am

Someone's on a power buzz. No board of management. only his son.

a person introducing himself as the School Manager and was told
’I will not and do not accept single mothers in this school.’
The school has an uncompromising ethos and will not become
a dumping ground for those rejected elsewhere....
’Do not try to blame this school for having a moral code.
You have no business coming down here to si ngle us out
- we are a Catholic school and shall remain so’.

Go Equal Status Acts.. Kick his ass.
They should hang their head in shame.

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 9:45am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Doee she even know who the father is?

Was that really necessary? We're talking about a child here. Grow the fcuk up :mad:

omega666 · 30-04-2012 9:47am

Biggins wrote: »

Boiled down to the actual facts - which some fools seems to have missed - or want to miss!

* The girl wanted to be further educated.
* She and her mother I am assuming didn't want the young woman to be a further burden on the state so the mother (alone, if not with the daughter) also wished to see the girl back to education in hope of her getting a reasonable job after exams?
* A catholic school that in theory preaches "treat others as they might treat you" if their religion is supposed to be adhered to, rejected her in very unchristian charity like?

Frankly I think the person that rejected the young girl is an bigoted idiot who is as far away from being a charitable, helpful nice person as they could possibly be.
What an asshole!

People seems to be missing the part in the article where she has already dropped out of two schools out of her own choice because she didnt like them. So there’s nothing stopping her getting an education except herself.

I agree with the school on this case also, they should be able to decide themselves on who they want to take,
for example if you’re a troublemaking delinquent with a history of getting kicked out of schools then the school shouldn’t be forced to take them.

I don’t have children but im sure if I did I wouldn’t want them being influenced by anto with the criminal record or shown how glamorous being
a teenage mother is.

hattoncracker · 30-04-2012 9:47am

Think_then_talk wrote: »

Someone's on a power buzz. No board of management. only his soyn.

a person introducing himself as the School Manager and was told
’I will not and do not accept single mothers in this school.’
The school has an uncompromising ethos and will not become
a dumping ground for those rejected elsewhere....
’Do not try to blame this school for having a moral code.
You have no business coming down here to si ngle us out
- we are a Catholic school and shall remain so’.

Go Equal Status Acts.. Kick his ass.
They should hang their head in shame.

equal status act doesn't apply to Catholic schools, I don't think... Though correct me if I'm wrong....

Bigtoe107 · 30-04-2012 9:47am

This has to be a joke; It boggles my mind to see attitudes like this still on display in this country. She got pregnant big deal, it was a mistake but she is still the same person she always was and has a right to an education.

Old Tom · 30-04-2012 9:48am

Biggins wrote: »

Frankly I think the person that rejected the young girl is an bigoted idiot who is as far away from being a charitable, helpful nice person as they could possibly be.
What an asshole!

What experience in running schools (including responsibility for hundreds of children) YOU have to make such statements sir?

Dyr · 30-04-2012 9:49am

I thought the catholics were big on wimmenz getting pregnant?

No pleasing some people.

Biggins · 30-04-2012 9:50am

Old Tom wrote: »

What experience in running schools (including responsibility for hundreds of children) YOU have to make such statements sir?

Aaa.. I'm a qualified teacher and have taught, amid other things.
Does that count sir?

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 9:51am

omega666 wrote: »

People seems to be missing the part in the article where she has already dropped out of two schools out of her own choice because she didnt like them. So there’s nothing stopping her getting an education except herself.

I agree with the school on this case also, they should be able to decide themselves on who they want to take,
for example if you’re a troublemaking delinquent with a history of getting kicked out of schools then the school shouldn’t be forced to take them.

I don’t have children but im sure if I did I wouldn’t want them being influenced by anto with the criminal record or shown how glamorous being
a teenage mother is.

Its one thing being denied a place because you might pose a threat to staff or students. Its another being denied a place because you don't stand up to the morals of a principal.

What next? Kids being denied places because they are gay?

ash23 · 30-04-2012 9:51am

omega666 wrote: »

People seems to be missing the part in the article where she has already dropped out of two schools out of her own choice because she didnt like them. So there’s nothing stopping her getting an education except herself.

I agree with the school on this case also, they should be able to decide themselves on who they want to take,
for example if you’re a troublemaking delinquent with a history of getting kicked out of schools then the school shouldn’t be forced to take them.

I don’t have children but im sure if I did I wouldn’t want them being influenced by anto with the criminal record or shown how glamorous being
a teenage mother is.

Actually you're missing the part where she decided after getting pregnant that school was important and she wished to attend. She went to school throughout her pregnancy and she had home tuition while she was on maternity leave. She then went back to school once her maternity leave finished with the aim of completing her education.

She was really making an effort. Maybe the pregnancy was the wake up call she needed to grow up and take responsibility? It wouldn't be the first time an unplanned pregnancy was the making of someone.
If she was enrolled and then expelled for being troublesome the school would be within their rights. But to refuse her entry stating that the school is not a haven for young single mothers is disgusting.

Biggins · 30-04-2012 9:52am

omega666 wrote: »

People seems to be missing the part in the article where she has already dropped out of two schools out of her own choice because she didnt like them. So there’s nothing stopping her getting an education except herself.

I agree with the school on this case also, they should be able to decide themselves on who they want to take,
for example if you’re a troublemaking delinquent with a history of getting kicked out of schools then the school shouldn’t be forced to take them.

I don’t have children but im sure if I did I wouldn’t want them being influenced by anto with the criminal record or shown how glamorous being
a teenage mother is.

Regardless of why she left two other schools - we might assume there was problems? - every person HAS the right to an education and frankly, if a person is STILL willing to try to get an education after trying yet again - they certainly deserve to get it and not stopped by out of date bigoted idiots!

...shown how glamorous being a teenage mother is.

Seriously?
What planet are you living on?

Dyr · 30-04-2012 9:54am

Biggins wrote: »

Aaa.. I'm a qualified teacher and have taught, amid other things.
Does that count sir?

A fine retort sir, match point.

Davidth88 · 30-04-2012 9:57am

You know , the sad thing is , the person who runs this school ( and is the school founder ) is teaching young children their views

So we will have people leaving this school thinking it's correct to ostracise a young girl because she has fallen pregnant .

This is EXACTLY the view that allowed the horrible laundries / homes etc for un married mothers to thrive.

This girl , was trying to get an education , trying to make a life for her and her child and was knocked back by this person

And the worst thing about this , WE pay for this bigot to run this this school .

humanji · 30-04-2012 10:00am

I wonder how different Christianity would be if Mary had been treated like this.

lkdsl · 30-04-2012 10:03am

hattoncracker wrote: »

equal status act doesn't apply to Catholic schools, I don't think... Though correct me if I'm wrong....

There is some scope for not applying all parts of the Act but the Act still applies. If you read Emily Logan's report you will see that she questions whether they can rely on the exemptions in the Act as they have no policies justifying that position.
Even if the school's position is justifiable, they still have to have the proper structures and policies in place, which they do not. Regardless of where you stand on the decision in this case, the school does not appear to be well managed.

DebDynamite · 30-04-2012 10:03am

The girl should just claim it was immaculate conception. Seeing as Catholics have no problem believing in that kind of stuff...

juan.kerr · 30-04-2012 10:05am

humanji wrote: »

I wonder how different Christianity would be if Mary had been treated like this.

Was she a teenager?

It's strange but I only discovered quite recently that she wasn't actually married to Joseph. Funny how that is glossed over.

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 10:08am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Was she a teenager?

It's strange but I only discovered quite recently that she wasn't actually married to Joseph. Funny how that is glossed over.

Surely everyone knew that

ash23 · 30-04-2012 10:08am

Mary was a teenager - I think 12 or 13 if memory serves me correctly.

http://www.associationofcatholicpriests.ie/2011/03/feast-of-st-joseph-husband-of -the-blessed-virgin-mary/

hattoncracker · 30-04-2012 10:13am

juan.kerr wrote: »

humanji wrote: »

I wonder how diyfferent Christianity would be if Mary had been treated like this.

Was she a teenager?

It's strange but I only discovered quite recently that she wasn't actually married to Joseph. Funny how that is glossed over.

I learnt that in primary school....

I wonder how many people who bitch about pregnant teenagers on moral grounds remember that part..

biko · 30-04-2012 10:16am

Free the Gloucester 18

omega666 · 30-04-2012 10:17am

Biggins wrote: »

Regardless of why she left two other schools - we might assume there was problems? - every person HAS the right to an education and frankly, if a person is STILL willing to try to get an education after trying yet again - they certainly deserve to get it and not stopped by out of date bigoted idiots!

Seriously?
What planet are you living on?

Course she has the right to education, it dosent mean she can attend whatever school she want though. If she was refused from every school
she applied to then you would have a point. There's plently of schools she
can get educated in if she wants to.

Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers? The school dosent want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable
to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh. Would you
want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?

Kolido · 30-04-2012 10:18am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Was she a teenager?

It's strange but I only discovered quite recently that she wasn't actually married to Joseph. Funny how that is glossed over.

She was between the ages of 13 to 19

token101 · 30-04-2012 10:18am

I don't think it should be imposed upon them to accept her (doubt she'd want to go there now anyway), that's their choice in a democracy. But what a bunch of stupid, judgemental c*nts. What's excluding her going to do for any girl who does get pregnant in that school? Hardly going to coming forward are they? Are they going to get expelled? If every school takes that approach, what's that going to mean for the rest of society? Where is she going to go without an education? The dole office to join the 1000s of others on a lifetime of welfare. And she shouldn't be getting pregnant, no. But she's there now and to exclude her is f***ing stupid and absolutely counter productive for everyone.

Balmed Out · 30-04-2012 10:19am

Im all against social welfare scrounging single mothers so I cant understand why on earth is a state school trying its best to create another one.

Give her an education and with it the possibility of paying for her own home, broadband, sky tv etc etc etc.

homerjay2005 · 30-04-2012 10:20am

There are much bigger problems in our education system and public services as a whole, than one young one who is up the duff being refused to school.

i couldnt give 2 f*cks about her to be honest and i dont see why people say as its a state funded school, that we, the tax payer, have a right to be angry.

i pay taxes and i dont care whether they let her in or not.

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 10:20am

omega666 wrote: »

Course she has the right to education, it dosent mean she can attend whatever school she want though. If she was refused from every school
she applied to then you would have a point. There's plently of schools she
can get educated in if she wants to.

Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers? The school dosent want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable
to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh. Would you
want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?

Where do you get the idea that allowing this girl the right to continue her education is somehow condoning the fact she had a baby?

And surely if she goes to another school there will be kids there too so won't they be as likely to be influenced by her?

Haven't really thought it through have you?

Mr. Presentable · 30-04-2012 10:21am

Did she try to get into any other school?

ash23 · 30-04-2012 10:22am

omega666 wrote: »

Course she has the right to education, it dosent mean she can attend whatever school she want though. If she was refused from every school
she applied to then you would have a point. There's plently of schools she
can get educated in if she wants to.

Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers? The school dosent want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable
to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh. Would you
want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?

She wasn't refused from other schools. She was accepted initially by this school (which was her first choice because she had friends there and she wanted to attend a school outside the city). She was accepted and then her acceptance was revoked when the mother advised them she was pregnant.
She went back to them again and was accepted and then again the acceptance was revoked because she was a young single mother.

I wouldn't choose for my child to become a teenage single parent or a teen parent full stop.
But if she did and she stepped up to the plate and wanted to go back to school and provide a decent life for her child, then I would be proud of her for doing her best.

MagicMarker · 30-04-2012 10:23am

homerjay2005 wrote: »

There are much bigger problems in our education system and public services as a whole, than one young one who is up the duff being refused to school.

i couldnt give 2 f*cks about her to be honest and i dont see why people say as its a state funded school, that we, the tax payer, have a right to be angry.

i pay taxes and i dont care whether they let her in or not.

So? The thread isn't called ''how does homerjay2005 feel about a girl not being allowed into a school because she's pregnant''.

It wasn't me! · 30-04-2012 10:25am

Here, lads. Claims that teenagers are going to go out and get pregnant en masse if their friends do are rather unlikely. Now, maybe it's just me, but I don't remember being completely fúcking braindead in school. The girl is being discriminated against and while I'm normally all about freedom of association and such, this really is not sitting well with me. All such a policy is ever going to do is damage or ruin what might have been productive, constructive lives. Nothing more likely to contribute to exactly the sort of problems they bemoan.

St.Spodo · 30-04-2012 10:30am

I can't see where people are coming from saying that the presence of a teenage mother in the school would glamourise the life of a young mother. If anything, most sensible girls would likely come to the realisation that being responsible for a child at such a young age is a nightmare.

Delirium · 30-04-2012 10:38am

According to the latest info on the story, the girl was refused admission to the school twice. Once when she was pregnant and then after the child was born.

The girl applied twice to the lay-owned Catholic-ethos school - first in September 2009 when she was pregnant at 16 and again the following year after her baby was born.

Link

So it's pregnant girls and single mothers that are not allowed to attend the school.

homerjay2005 · 30-04-2012 10:38am

MagicMarker wrote: »

So? The thread isn't called ''how does homerjay2005 feel about a girl not being allowed into a school because she's pregnant''.

whats the purpose of the thread then? last time i checked, this was a discussion forum, a place where normally people give their opinions.

you care about it, i dont.

omega666 · 30-04-2012 10:42am

eviltwin wrote: »

Where do you get the idea that allowing this girl the right to continue her education is somehow condoning the fact she had a baby?

And surely if she goes to another school there will be kids there too so won't they be as likely to be influenced by her?

Haven't really thought it through have you?

It condoning the fact because it's comminicating to teenagers that it a acceptable/normal everyday suitation to be in.

Who other schools accept is thier choice.

The girl is not being refused an education, she can get educated in countless schools, her life isnt going to be doomed for enternity because she was refused from one particular school.

billybudd · 30-04-2012 10:43am

Education is the key, oh wait....do'h!

A state financed school has no business promoting segregation.

Taco Chips · 30-04-2012 10:44am

omega666 wrote: »

Course she has the right to education, it dosent mean she can attend whatever school she want though. If she was refused from every school
she applied to then you would have a point. There's plently of schools she
can get educated in if she wants to.

Are you really trying to claim that teenagers are not easily influenced by thier peers? The school dosent want thier students to think it perfectly acceptable
to be a teenage mother. I have no problem with that thinking tbh. Would you
want your teenage daughter to be a single mother?

That's ridiculous and absolute bull****. No teenager is going to look at another and go 'Wowee getting pregant looks like such a good idea. I think I'll go off and ride the next youngfella I see without a johnny" :rolleyes:

Of course teenagers are influenced by there peers, but if you think they're going to run off and get pregnant because one of their friends is then you must have a very low opinion of us indeed. The school's attitude is disgusting. It is not down to them to judge her on a past mistake* that will have no influence on her academic or behavioural profile while attending the school.

Just because some Holy Joe is uppity over this girl getting pregnant and having a baby does not give the school an absolute right treat her like that. The irony is overwhelming when you consider all the tales of Mary being turned away from the inn. Hypocrisy and lip service alive and well in Catholic Ireland.

*I don't particularly like referring to the child as mistake. I'm sure her baby is a precious gift to her and her family.

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 10:45am

omega666 wrote: »

It condoning the fact because it's comminicating to teenagers that it a acceptable/normal everyday suitation to be in.

Who other schools accept is thier choice.

The girl is not being refused an education, she can get educated in countless schools, her life isnt going to be doomed for enternity because she was refused from one particular school.

No its not. I have a teenage daughter and I would have no problem with her being in school with a teen parent, I think it would be more of a heads up about the reality of life with a young child than any lecture I could give her.

Other schools will presumably have other kids, whatever school she goes to you can argue those kids will also be "encouraged" to get pregnant.

So what do we do? Keep her at home and home school?

billybudd · 30-04-2012 10:45am

omega666 wrote: »

It condoning the fact because it's comminicating to teenagers that it a acceptable/normal everyday suitation to be in.

Who other schools accept is thier choice.

The girl is not being refused an education, she can get educated in countless schools, her life isnt going to be doomed for enternity because she was refused from one particular school.

You do know being pregnant is not contagious?

ash23 · 30-04-2012 10:47am

omega666 wrote: »

It condoning the fact because it's comminicating to teenagers that it a acceptable/normal everyday suitation to be in.

Who other schools accept is thier choice.

The girl is not being refused an education, she can get educated in countless schools, her life isnt going to be doomed for enternity because she was refused from one particular school.

No, her life won't be doomed but does that make it ok? She was in a vulnerable position and made to feel like there was something wrong with her, that she wasn't "good enough" for that school. She was treated like a second class citizen simply because she was young, single and pregnant.
That's not ok.

omega666 · 30-04-2012 10:49am

eviltwin wrote: »

So what do we do? Keep her at home and home school?

No she goes to another school, gets her education and moves on with her life.

It wasn't me! · 30-04-2012 10:50am

omega666 wrote: »

It condoning the fact because it's comminicating to teenagers that it a acceptable/normal everyday suitation to be in.

Who other schools accept is thier choice.

The girl is not being refused an education, she can get educated in countless schools, her life isnt going to be doomed for enternity because she was refused from one particular school.

Horseshít. Firstly, it's not going to be the first pregnant person they see. Secondly, if she's the only one in a year of a hundred or so, then it's really quite obvious that it's *not* normal for people of their age. Now, maybe you weren't too clued up in school, but by the time I graduated after sixth year, one guy was expecting a kid with his girlfriend. That didn't mean we thought it was a brilliant idea. We knew it wasn't planned and we certainly didn't feel encouraged to go forth and procreate.

YFlyer · 30-04-2012 10:50am

juan.kerr wrote: »

Doee she even know who the father is?

I couldn't stop laughing

ash23 · 30-04-2012 10:50am

omega666 wrote: »

No she goes to another school, gets her education and moves on with her life.

And what if the next school, or all schools decide to start refusing an education to this girl on the same basis?
Just because there are other options, doesn't mean that school should be able to discriminate against her.

eviltwin · 30-04-2012 10:52am

omega666 wrote: »

No she goes to another school, gets her education and moves on with her life.

If she can....

This is in Tipperary, I doubt she has much in the way of choice. Why should this school be allowed to practice such bigotry? Imagine if all schools were to act this way.

If you are pregnant , don't bother with MY school

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