Traffic Blues - RTE1 - May 31st

donvito99 · 01-06-2009 12:15pm

Godammit, I forgot about it!

Just like to point out that The RSA announced during the week that due to their budget being cut their road safety campaigns would be cut back. We have had 4 deaths ( think ) so far over the weekend. This show TBH is a big plus for road safety IMO.

bk · 01-06-2009 12:36pm

Available here:
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1049142

donvito99 · 01-06-2009 12:46pm

Some funny quotes,

Alpha Sierra 2; ''He's tippin' along now here lads'...During chase.

Alpha Sierra 2; ''AS2 to Letterkenny Garda Station, the pursuit has ended, driver arrested'
Letterkenny GS; ''Thats lovely stuff!''

donvito99 · 01-06-2009 12:49pm

Just like to add that i thought that the pursuit was handed, to my shock and horror, in a profesional manor!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I also only thought that there'd probably be only one stinger in the whole country.

Also when the pursuit had ended, I was waiting for dozens of patrol cars to come rushing up, to my suprise, the motorcycle arrived, then the Mondeo, and that was it for a while. Just shows how isolated the country guards have it compared to the likes of the DMR.

bk · 01-06-2009 12:50pm

yayamark wrote: »

Dont mean to be cynical but i presume there not going to show
traffic members out in Fiat Ulsyesses (sp) ina chase :rolleyes: and other instances where members lack of equipment lets them down.

While clearly not Fiat Ulsyesses in the last chase the pursuit car alluded to the fact that they weren't able to keep up with the car they were pursuing, looks like they needed a motorcycle cop to keep up. Looks like the traffic corps need something with a little more juice, like the interceptors in Road Wars.

I was really surprised how light people were left off. The lads on road wars would have torn the 17yo and 160km/h business man a new one and rightfully so.

Really the 17yo's car should have been impounded, what would have happened if someone was killed after they talked to the Gardai.

And the 160km/h business man should really have gotten a big talking down and at least 4 penalty points, if not dangerous driving on top of it.

I've a great deal of respect for the AGS, however in Ireland we are just a little bit too lax about following the law and enforcing it IMO. I think we need to change that.

SV · 01-06-2009 1:48pm

I thought it was a bit ridiculous seeing the Traffic Corps following your man up the wrong side of the dual carriageway.

the helicopter was following, surely it would have been a better choice to hold back a bit and go on the correct side of the road? not like they could do anything from behind..

anyway, I thought it was decent enough..the informal radio speak was hilarious.

donvito99 · 01-06-2009 2:08pm

SV wrote: »

the helicopter was following, surely it would have been a better choice to hold back a bit and go on the correct side of the road? not like they could do anything from behind..

The car was heading for the border...it needed to be stopped...at any cost :pac:

ste88m · 01-06-2009 2:13pm

donvito99 wrote: »

And I also only thought that there'd probably be only one stinger in the whole country.

You'd be suprised. Most stations have one (in Dublin anyway, not too sure about down the country) for their main car & nearly all traffic cars / jeeps carry one!!:D

Johnny Utah · 01-06-2009 3:45pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Some funny quotes,

Alpha Sierra 2; ''He's tippin' along now here lads'...During chase.
Alpha Sierra 2; ''AS2 to Letterkenny Garda Station, the pursuit has ended, driver arrested'
Letterkenny GS; ''Thats lovely stuff!''

He's on the wrong side of the roundabout there now!

Johnny Utah · 01-06-2009 3:49pm

SV wrote: »

I thought it was a bit ridiculous seeing the Traffic Corps following your man up the wrong side of the dual carriageway.

the helicopter was following, surely it would have been a better choice to hold back a bit and go on the correct side of the road? not like they could do anything from behind..

anyway, I thought it was decent enough..the informal radio speak was hilarious.

I agree; I thought it was very reckless following him on the wrong side of the dual carriageway. There easily could have been a fatal head-on collision during this part of the chase. They should have pulled back, and driven on the correct side, especially as the helicopter was following the car overhead.

snaring · 01-06-2009 4:43pm

if he didn follow him there is at least 3 junctions from the dual carriageway all leading away from the correct side of dual carriageway . . . . .split second decision had to be made . . . . .

Bruce11 · 01-06-2009 4:47pm

they were right to follow him as if he stopped and did a u turn he would only have had the chopper following him and then they would be on the wrong side thrying to chase him. they kept their distance and were close to him.

funniest quote was at that time when one Garda voiced ove that they followed him and were flashing their headlights to warn other motorists. Sure he was ahead, how could they warn what was there before them?

01-06-2009 6:22pm

SV wrote: »

anyway, I thought it was decent enough..the informal radio speak was normal.

Just changed that slightly for you.

Irish_polizei · 01-06-2009 6:28pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Just like to add that i thought that the pursuit was handed, to my shock and horror, in a profesional manor!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I also only thought that there'd probably be only one stinger in the whole country.

Also when the pursuit had ended, I was waiting for dozens of patrol cars to come rushing up, to my suprise, the motorcycle arrived, then the Mondeo, and that was it for a while. Just shows how isolated the country guards have it compared to the likes of the DMR.

haha true true

Irish_polizei · 01-06-2009 6:46pm

Did anyone hear when they had ur man stopped on the m50 for failing to yield at the lights and travelling at an excessive speed, i thought it was funny when the garda was sending the driver on the way he said to him "rite keep her lit" and them tryn to catch up with him 160 km/h 10 mins earlier, thought that was priceless!!

SV · 01-06-2009 6:56pm

Bruce11 wrote: »

they were right to follow him as if he stopped and did a u turn he would only have had the chopper following him and then they would be on the wrong side thrying to chase him. they kept their distance and were close to him.

re: the bold part, much of a contradiction there?

yes if he stopped and did a u turn that would have been a case, but the chopper was following and they could have easily had cars sent ahead of him.

seriously, terrible decision.
i realise it's a split second decision and if it had have been me I probably would have done the same thing.
however, aren't these drivers supposed to be professionally pursuit trained?
there was nothing professional about that.

donvito99 · 01-06-2009 7:26pm

SV wrote: »

re: the bold part, much of a contradiction there?

yes if he stopped and did a u turn that would have been a case, but the chopper was following and they could have easily had cars sent ahead of him.

seriously, terrible decision.
i realise it's a split second decision and if it had have been me I probably would have done the same thing.
however, aren't these drivers supposed to be professionally pursuit trained?
there was nothing professional about that.

However there are very few patrol cars in the area in the first place. So it would be difficult to coordinate lots of vehicles in front.

I think it mentioned that the jeep that deployed the stinger had to rush from a Garda station 15km away, which shows how isolated the pusuit was. Nevertheless, I agree that the decision to follow on the wrong sde of the DC was stupid, although the driver probably regretted it afterwards, and it would have been awkward to go on to the correct side seeing as he had just come from the wrong side of the roundabout also.

01-06-2009 7:35pm

SV wrote: »

however, aren't these drivers supposed to be professionally pursuit trained?

LOL. Funniest comment of the day!

As for driving on the wrong side of the road, they said at the start of that clip that they had been drafted into the area for the rally weekend. Don't know if they were Dublin based but a good few of the Traffic Corp from the Castle are sent to these events around the country.

Whitewater-AGS · 01-06-2009 8:15pm

SV wrote: »

however, aren't these drivers supposed to be professionally pursuit trained?.

Yeah thats a good one alright, the standard car course which most garda drivers would have (alot still driving without courses though) has no persuit training in it at all.

I think they done the right thing by following the car the vehicles he was driving towards had a better chance of seeing the marked patrol car with all the lights on the go and not the clown on the astra.

Manic Moran · 01-06-2009 11:12pm

Bollox. RTE Player not available outside of Ireland...

Anyone find a Torrent?

NTM

Irish_polizei · 01-06-2009 11:15pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Bollox. RTE Player not available outside of Ireland...

Anyone find a Torrent?

NTM

Why, where are you in the world??

goldie fish · 01-06-2009 11:22pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Bollox. RTE Player not available outside of Ireland...

Anyone find a Torrent?

NTM

If its on realplayer later maybe someone will record it for you?

Roadrat · 02-06-2009 1:51am

foreign wrote: »

LOL. Funniest comment of the day!

As for driving on the wrong side of the road, they said at the start of that clip that they had been drafted into the area for the rally weekend. Don't know if they were Dublin based but a good few of the Traffic Corp from the Castle are sent to these events around the country.

Got word that all personnel in chase were Donegal traffic units apart from AS2.Pursuit car & jeep were burnfoot based and bike from letterkenny.Alas no dublin glory:rolleyes:

Irish_polizei · 02-06-2009 12:12pm

goldie fish wrote: »

If its on realplayer later maybe someone will record it for you?

Its up on utube now!!

Irish_polizei · 02-06-2009 12:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccszGuKUhoI

donvito99 · 02-06-2009 7:09pm

Irish_polizei wrote: »

Its up on utube now!!

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www.utube.com

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:pac:

Sorry for being OT.
It was on up on YOUtube fairly lively wasn't it?

Irish_polizei · 02-06-2009 7:43pm

donvito99 wrote: »

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www.utube.com

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:pac:

Sorry for being OT.
It was on up on YOUtube fairly lively wasn't it?

Twas alrite boy, see the soobla who put them up?

deadwood · 03-06-2009 9:58pm

"....next week a man gets arrested for drunk driving .......again, and we milk some more air-support footage for 15 minutes to see a car pull over and get a stern telling off"

If this episode was anything to go by, next years series giving an insight into the seedy goings-on in a Divisional Office should make riveting viewing. "Stay tuned to see if Bernie gets that toner issue sorted......and a man get arrested for drunk driving!"

djtechnics1210 · 04-06-2009 12:26am

+1 deadwood........ Traffic blues is rubbish imo.

Manic Moran · 04-06-2009 2:29pm

Irish_polizei wrote: »

Why, where are you in the world??

Indiana, for now.

Will be in Afghanistan shortly.

NTM

Random · 04-06-2009 7:08pm

Irish_polizei wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccszGuKUhoI

He looks like Neil Delamere

I like the show. I like to see what the Gardai get up to. Couple of thoughts then:
- get rid of that helicopter footage. It's not entertaining IMO. It ruins shows like Road Wars too.
- get rid of the interviews with the Gardai in the offices etc. Only interview them in the cars or at the scene. This way you get "live" feeling and emotion in the comments etc.
- It was too bloody short!

Looking forward to this weeks one though

deadwood · 04-06-2009 7:57pm

Irish_polizei wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccszGuKUhoI

Is that comedian and raconteur Neil Delamer?

Damn, someone else beat me to it!

.DarDarBinks · 04-06-2009 8:02pm

Compared to night cops, they are nothing, they get through 2-3 calls a programme, wow a drunk man, not like we havnt seen one of them before!

afatbollix · 04-06-2009 11:27pm

Random wrote: »

He looks like Neil Delamere

I like the show. I like to see what the Gardai get up to. Couple of thoughts then:
- get rid of that helicopter footage. It's not entertaining IMO. It ruins shows like Road Wars too.
- get rid of the interviews with the Gardai in the offices etc. Only interview them in the cars or at the scene. This way you get "live" feeling and emotion in the comments etc.
- It was too bloody short!

Looking forward to this weeks one though

id rather a gardai doing his duty at the side of the road than talking to a camera of what is happening... interviews should be done later...

that donegal car chase the helicopter was the only footage they had of it.. there was no camera crews in any of the cars or dash cams....

pitty they dident leave in the "now remember lads this is on camera" when the car was stopped :P:pac: or showing them stopping the rally cars... that bit of footage is a classic..

Guy:Incognito · 05-06-2009 4:13am

I had a fair bit to say on this in the motors thread, but I'll cover it again in shortened form.

Most peopel seemed to have missed the fact that the 17year old in Donegals car was also on yellow plates. There really is no excuse for him being sent on his way.

I'm a big supporter of AGS on here when the usual threads pop up but I have to say the program led me to lose a bit of respect for them. The car chase was a success but the 17 year old lad came across as an unmitigated disaster to the lay man.

The guy had just started driving, was previously caught doing nearly 140 in a 100. He was stopped driving unaccompanied and with no L plates in a defective foreign registered car. He really shouldnt have been let on his way.

TheNog's opinion that theres no point in taking the car because it would cost the state more to impound it than they would recieve in possible VRT payments further dented my confidence in AGS tbh.Theres no financial return for the state in stopping a shoplifter running from a shop, so should they be let on their way too?

05-06-2009 4:40am

Stekelly wrote: »

Most peopel seemed to have missed the fact that the 17year old in Donegals car was also on yellow plates. There really is no excuse for him being sent on his way.

I'm a big supporter of AGS on here when the usual threads pop up but I have to say the program led me to lose a bit of respect for them. The car chase was a success but the 17 year old lad came across as an unmitigated disaster to the lay man.

The guy had just started driving, was previously caught doing nearly 140 in a 100. He was stopped driving unaccompanied and with no L plates in a defective foreign registered car. He really shouldnt have been let on his way.

TheNog's opinion that theres no point in taking the car because it would cost the state more to impound it than they would recieve in possible VRT payments further dented my confidence in AGS tbh.Theres no financial return for the state in stopping a shoplifter running from a shop, so should they be let on their way too?

Some people with Donegal registered plates fit yellow ones.

The 17yr old lad had a licence just not on him so a demand would have to be made to produce it. Same goes for insurance. There was nothing mechanically wrong with the vehicle so no reason to impound it.

Driving unaccompanied is a summons to court, same with L plates.

Guy:Incognito · 05-06-2009 11:49am

foreign wrote: »

Some people with Donegal registered plates fit yellow ones.
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One of the Gards makes a comment about duty not being paid or somethign along those lines. Thats the only reason I watched when they flicked to the back of the car, otherwise I'd never have copped it.

If he keeps driving much further without topping up the coolant there will be lots mechanically wrong with the car too.

TheNog · 05-06-2009 3:26pm

Stekelly wrote: »

If he keeps driving much further without topping up the coolant there will be lots mechanically wrong with the car too.

See there is the problem "Will". We can not prosecute someone for a defective vehicle when it "will" be defective at some stage in the future. It all boils down the condition of the vehicle at the time of stopping.

As I said on the Motors forum I am not a mechanic so if that was me I would have let him on his way too.

lehanemore · 05-06-2009 5:52pm

you know, I think people were expcting it to be exactly like road wars:rolleyes:, where that young lad would probably have seen his jammer go away on the back of a tow truck and even better if he was arrested too, hopefully while trying to resist, with three cops kneeling on his head and flaking his legs with asps.:eek:

thats for across the pond.:D

snaring · 05-06-2009 5:57pm

foreign wrote: »

Some people with Donegal registered plates fit yellow ones.

The 17yr old lad had a licence just not on him so a demand would have to be made to produce it. Same goes for insurance. There was nothing mechanically wrong with the vehicle so no reason to impound it.

Driving unaccompanied is a summons to court, same with L plates.

finally someone who is talking sense . . . good stuff. . .

Guy:Incognito · 05-06-2009 11:38pm

TheNog wrote: »

See there is the problem "Will". We can not prosecute someone for a defective vehicle when it "will" be defective at some stage in the future. It all boils down the condition of the vehicle at the time of stopping..

OH I know that, thats fine, I dwas just making the point that it will lead on.

donvito99 · 06-06-2009 12:45pm

Just saw in the ad for tomorrows program that the Subaru Forrester is featured, so I think we're in for some high speed.....

.....usage of discretion.

Hooch · 06-06-2009 1:39pm

bk wrote: »

While clearly not Fiat Ulsyesses in the last chase the pursuit car alluded to the fact that they weren't able to keep up with the car they were pursuing, looks like they needed a motorcycle cop to keep up. Looks like the traffic corps need something with a little more juice, like the interceptors in Road Wars.

Motorcycles may NOT (NEVER) engage in a pursuit. They may follow a vehicle until a marked vehicle is available and then then must break off. They are not a pursuit vehicle, they are a response vehicle.

Traffic Corps need more juice.....we have 2.5 and 3ltr mondeos, thats enough juice for anything. Any good AGS driver worth his salt would keep up to any car in the 3ltr. DOnt care what anyone says a properly trained driver whos naturally good will stay with any ''lay'' driver.

SV wrote: »

I thought it was a bit ridiculous seeing the Traffic Corps following your man up the wrong side of the dual carriageway.

the helicopter was following, surely it would have been a better choice to hold back a bit and go on the correct side of the road? not like they could do anything from behind..

Of course they had to follow him.....if he went off an ''on'' ramp, u turned, had a collision. If he hit you wouldnt you be asking why didnt AGS follow him and pull him out of the car......instead of going to next junction and turning around to go back to the crash in which time he'd be gone. Air support can only do so much!

Stekelly wrote: »

Most peopel seemed to have missed the fact that the 17year old in Donegals car was also on yellow plates. There really is no excuse for him being sent on his way.

The guy had just started driving, was previously caught doing nearly 140 in a 100. He was stopped driving unaccompanied and with no L plates in a defective foreign registered car. He really shouldnt have been let on his way.

If in fact the vehicle was northern registered then they should have taken custody of the vehicle (we dont seize northern vehicles....customs do)

Otherwise there was nothing to suggest that a seizure for dangerous defective would in my opinion have been warranted. Just because he was caught breaking the limit doesnt mean he looses his vehicle. Members of AGS have to work within the limits of the present legislation.

donvito99 wrote: »

Just saw in the ad for tomorrows program that the Subaru Forrester is featured, so I think we're in for some high speed.....

.....usage of discretion.

Subaru Forrester is a bucket....we got rid of ours. Not that fast. 2 ltr mondeo is a far better car. Better handling and a higher top speed.:) O and there are stingers in nearly every district HQ car and every Traffic vehicle (bar motorbikes:p)

Dont know what has been answered before, just looked into the thread to clear those few things up. Any questions fire the on

goldie fish · 06-06-2009 2:47pm

The only reason they got the forester is when Subaru gave one to the Garage on demo, a civvy employee took it for a spin, and totalled it.
Before any garda had even sat behind the wheel.

A decision was made to buy a few as a token gesture of goodwill/apology for writing off the demo model.
Allegedly.

Volvo XC70 is far superior. And built to Police spec too.

donvito99 · 06-06-2009 9:43pm

nice guy always wrote: »

Subaru Forrester is a bucket....we got rid of ours.

Blasphemy! At least pretend that there good!

niceguyalways wrote:

Not that fast. 2 ltr mondeo is a far better car. Better handling and a higher top speed.:) O and there are stingers in nearly every district HQ car and every Traffic vehicle (bar motorbikes:p)

Cool, good to sea lots of units having them, vital to stop incidents like the Bluebell rampage happening again.

Hooch · 06-06-2009 10:04pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Blasphemy! At least pretend that there good!

I wouldnt say it if you paid me!!!:p

Might be a good civi car but not for AGS.

deadwood · 07-06-2009 12:21am

goldie fish wrote: »

A decision was made to buy a few as a token gesture of goodwill/apology for writing off the demo model.
Allegedly.

Jesus.

07-06-2009 4:25pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Cool, good to sea lots of units having them, vital to stop incidents like the Bluebell rampage happening again.

Was the problem there that the stinger didn't work on the buses tyres? Being so thick and all that? Hence why they tried to shoot out the tyres.

Hooch · 07-06-2009 5:09pm

foreign wrote: »

Was the problem there that the stinger didn't work on the buses tyres? Being so thick and all that? Hence why they tried to shoot out the tyres.

Spot on. Some but not all Traffic units have the truck stingers. But the SDU lads were disaplined for that. Shooting tyres is very dangerous and in fact dosent work on bus or trucks as the rubber is so thick the heat re seals the tyres. Also shooting car tyres is dangerous due to the fact that they ''blow out'' the tyres as aposed to the stinger which leaves the spikes in and allows them to deflate instead of blow.

Random · 07-06-2009 8:57pm

Right. Just watched tonights one.

The drunk driver @ Drogehda garda Station. How did the off duty Garda get the call first?
Why did the Gardai need to call backup once your man was in cuffs? They had 3 bodys on the scene?

Very unhappy in general though in terms of the content though. The show is too short and there just isn't a good enough mix of content.

I still dislike those interviews in the office and would rather they did them all in the cars or whatever.

Traffic Blues - RTE1 - May 31st

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